Jason You don't help us to help you by not giving the names of John's parents.  Family Search has the 1824 baptism of a John William Martin son of John and Ann at St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey.   If that is not him -   See West Surrey FHS site for details of their pre 1837  birth and marriage CDs not included in the IGI.   See FamilySearch site/ Library/ Catalog/ Place search to see what they have for Bermondsey   See TNA site for non conformist births and down loadable images from Dr Williams Library and other non conformist chapels Hilary  Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:59:17 -0700 From: Jason Austin <jason.austin@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [SRY] ancestry new records To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4ACA9665.7080904@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Seconding Paul's applause for Ancestry's latest offerings with the London parish records but I STILL can't find my elusive John Austin, supposedly born in Bermondsey in 1822 ....!     That man is going to have a lot to answer for when I finally meet him ..... lol Can anyone advise me what to try now?   The 1851 census says he was born in Bermondsey, and he was buried in Abney Park so by his death at least he was a dissenter.   If his parents were dissenters was there a baptism or other ritual that may have been recorded? Thanks Jason  Message: 8 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:58:08 +1300 From: "John Scott" <jaydeescott@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [SRY] ancestry new records To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1BF1A741D5A343E6B677697D5D73B5B8@Daphne1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Have you thought of Maze Pond Chapel, just by Guys Hospital. Daphne.  

If he and his family were dissenters, it is possible they aren't amongst Ancestry's offerings which look to be mainly Established church.  None of my Catholic root are to be found, though they were all Londoners.  200yrs of them and not a single birth or death coming up and the one marriage only that appears was because the man wasn't Catholic.  However, the kids grew up Catholic and they're missing.  :-(  Many of them had really helpful names like Clark/e - so easily distinguishable from the thousands of other Clark/s on FreeBMD. :-/ I could cry. So maybe that's the problem.  Have you tried http://www.parishregister.com/searchpage.asp They have Bermondsey records: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 1782 to 1812 Entries:13,606 Completion:100% [CD available] St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 1813 to 1822 Entries:4,791 Completion: 100% [CD available] St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 1822 to 1829 Entries:4,783 Completion:100% [CD available] or you can do a search for likely individuals and purchase those without getting a cd. 'Find my Past' also lists some. You don't mention when he was born or any other details. Someone may be able to help you if you provide more data. le durachd Fionnghal > Ancestry's latest offerings with the > London parish records but I STILL can't find my elusive > John Austin. 1851 census says he was born > in Bermondsey, and he was buried in Abney Park so by his > death at least he was a dissenter.   If his parents were > dissenters was there a baptism > or other ritual that may have been recorded?

Hello Nivard   Thanks for your email, I think you must right that the alternative name for Amelia ETHERTON is to do with ancestry software as it has only appeared recently when they did some changes. Having never found the marriage of James & Amelia ETHERTON I got all excited when I saw the alternative name that someone knew something that I didn't!   As I hadn't managed to find a marriage on the BMD index I was hoping that I would find it on the new London parish records on ancestry. But no luck. They don't appear to have had any children.   Here are a few facts in case anyone can help find their marriage or what happened to Amelia.   1851 census living at 4 Francis Place Westminster James ETHERTON age 25 born c1826 St Lukes London  boot & shoe maker Amelia ETHERTON age 24 born c1827 Clerkenwell          boot & shoe binder   1861 census living at 8 St Peters Street Islington James ETHERTON age 37 born c1824 St Lukes London  boot maker Amelia ETHERTON age 32 born c1829 Clerkenwell            James Etherton married his second wife Elizabeth Lloyd (nee Faulkner) at St Mary's Lambeth, Surrey on 29 Oct 1870. and their children were Thomas William ETHERTON born 04 Jul 1867 Lambeth, Surrey Edward ETHERTON born 29 Dec 1869 Lambeth, Surrey Annie Elizabeth ETHERTON born 13 Nov 1871 Lambeth, Surrey   On their marriage certificate they were listed as widower & widow. Two of their children were born before they married and on both their birth certificates the mother is listed as Elizabeth ETHERTON formerly FAULKNER. So they were obviously living as a married couple before they actually married.    The ETHERTON family stay in Lambeth until the 1920's when they moved to Essex.   Any help appreciated.   Regards   Carole Moon     --- On Mon, 5/10/09, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [SRY] Ancestry.com andLondonMetropolitanArchivesrecordscorrections To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 5 October, 2009, 2:24 PM Hi Carole When you find the small pencil symbol against a name there are two main sources The first is from subscribers input, alterations/corrections, those you can go to the alteration tab and see the person who input it and click that to contact that person, it should be said that not all alterations are entered by a person actually researching that name, I have entered many on behalf of others where I have come across them but most you find I would suggest are from researchers interested in that entry so worth contacting either way The second source is from Ancestrys software, as I believe is the case with yours There is something wrong with the way the page your people are on is recorded (by the enumerator), there does not appear to be a head of household recorded for No 8 Peter Street, so the software is suggesting that Amelia may be the daughter of the head of household, which appears in the transcript as Wm CORK (incorrectly but not the fault of the transcriber but the enumerator) Both No 7 & No 8 are obviously sub let in rooms, your ETHERINGTONs are in one room within No 8 so James ETHERINGTON should be recorded as the head of household So in your case there is no one to contact as its software generated and is a suggestion not correction Looking at the marriages I don't see an obvious one for James and Amelia however they may never have married or have married somewhere which is not transcribed or has been lost There are nearly 100 Amelias baptised in Clerkenwell 1824 +/- 1 year, perhaps worth looking through those and trying those, some have two names and she may have married under a different forename , she may also have been a widow so it can be tricky to work that out :-( They do not appear to have had children either which doesn't help or have you found any? It is quite possible they split up and Amelia remarried under her maiden name or is buried under it None of which helps you find the marriage unfortunately Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hello Nivard Just read your email and would like to know how you can contact the person who has made a correction to transcriptions on ancesty. I have on the 1861 census living in Islington my Great-Great-Grandfather & his first wife James ETHERTON Amelia ETHERTON Someone has added an alternative surname for Amelia of Amelia CORK and I would like to know why. All I can see from looking at the image is that next door the Cork family is living. I am interested as I have never been able to find a marriage for James & Amelia nor her death before he married to his second wife in Lambeth 1870. Regards Carole Moon *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. 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Dear Caroline, As always your reply has presented me with some new ideas and suggestions. Thanks for that. I'm not sure whether you 're thinking that perhaps some of Emily's family were not actually siblings or aunts etc. My original source for the HASKEW family was a handwritten tree prepared by a relative in England. She says that she began with the family bible in which the two generations we are concerned with at the moment are recorded. She claimed to have "done" the family tree which I understood to mean that she had found the parish records for each person. Certainly, all the dates have been correct for the certificates I've purchased so far. Some of the addresses are not exactly what is on the certificate but most of the earlier generation have a street number and name included. A few of the Wills have been obtained by family members so I'll try and find an address for Emily on one of those. Your help is greatly appreciated, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > Hi Jan > > So far as I am aware, there are no census records sitting awaiting > transcription! But there are a number of chunks and smaller sections which > are "missing presumed lost for ever". > > It is sometimes all too easy to forget that the census is just a snapshot of > who was where on one single night. Just because someone is enumerated in a > household, one should not assume they were necessarily actually *living* > there. When family members visited, they would be classed as "sister" (or > whatever), though they might just have been spending the night in the guest > room on their way somewhere else, rather than forming part of the actual > household. > > Have you managed to find wills for every single member of the family who > died during the gap you are trying to fill? Emily might have been mentioned > in the will of even a relatively distant relative, even if this was just to > leave her a token amount or item of jewellery etc. Any such reference may > well provide an address. > > HTH > > Caroline > > Are there more census records still to be >> transcribed? Can you suggest any other sources for Chile records at >> all. >> >> Thanks so much for your advice, >> Jan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pam Hillier" <pamhillier24@virginbroadband.com.au> >> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >> >> >> > jan, >> > It seems possible with the "teacher" bent that perhaps that is where >> she >> > was....along with her uncle perhaps. In Chile at the school her aunt >> wanted >> > to establish???? >> > Have you googled >> > Have you checked into the Chile aspect, historically and via rootsweb >> lists. >> > This might be your avenue if you have (and seem to have) exhausted >> England. >> > cheers pam >> > >> > >> > >> >> Thanks for your most helpful reply, Caroline. >> >> I had reached the conclusion that Emily, as well as her Uncle Henry, >> may >> >> have been out of the country for many years. As I have now found >> Henry >> >> John HASKEW living in Westminster in 1871 as new records are added, >> I >> >> thought maybe Emily could now be found as well. I had found a >> shipping >> >> arrival in Liverpool from Valparaiso in Chile for an E HASKEW >> (nurse) in >> >> 1897 (the year of the death of Emily's mother.) Another document I >> have >> >> records Eleanor LAWRENCE, Emily's Auntie in Chile, as stating that >> she >> >> would like an English school in Concepcion so that her youngest >> daughter >> >> would not have to be sent to England for her education. This was in >> 1878 >> >> or a little later when a group of teachers arrived to set up a >> school >> >> there. This makes me think that Emily may have visited but did not >> remain >> >> there for any great length of time. >> >> >> >> Thanks so much for your assistance. That sounds like a wonderful >> life and >> >> I hope that's how it was for her! >> >> >> >> Jan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> >> >> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:09 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Jan >> >>> >> >>> Given what you say about Emily's life, so far as you know it, and >> noting >> >>> that a number HASKEW women seem to have been teachers, it seems to >> me >> >>> that >> >>> it is highly likely that she too had a career in education. She >> may have >> >>> taught abroad for the whole of the period she is "missing", though >> it >> >>> also >> >>> possible that she could have taught in the UK but have been away at >> the >> >>> time >> >>> of one or more of the censuses (which could well have coincided >> with the >> >>> easter school holidays (quite long, even in those days). It would >> have >> >>> been >> >>> quite normal for a well bred, spinster lady to have taken trips to >> >>> destinations of cultural interest on the Continent. Easter would >> have >> >>> been >> >>> a good time to do this, to avoid the excessive heat in the summer. >> >>> >> >>> Hope this helps >> >>> >> >>> Caroline >> >>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey- >> >>>> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn >> >>>> Sent: 04 October 2009 22:11 >> >>>> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com >> >>>> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks for your reply. Sue. Yes, I have found her family on the >> census >> >>>> but she wasn't with them. I have her in 1851(in Liverpool) and >> 18619at >> >>>> school in Wiltshire) and I know that she taught English at a >> Convent in >> >>>> Paris in 1865 for a year. She then disappears 'til 1901 and 1911, >> when >> >>>> she is in Surrey with her Uncle who is a retired Bank of England >> Clerk >> >>>> and a widower. >> >>>> >> >>>> Your help is really appreciated as this really has me stumped! >> >>>> >> >>>> Jan >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Sue Coombs" <sue_coombs@hotmail.com> >> >>>> To: "Surrey List" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:50 AM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Jan, >> >>>> >> >>>> Do you have details of her parents or any siblings which might aid >> our >> >>>> search for you? >> >>>> >> >>>> Sue >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Hello, >> >>>> > I have tried in vain to find Emily Charlotte HASKEW on >> the >> >>>> 1871 census. She was born in Liverpool, Lancs in 1847. She can be >> seen >> >>>> in 1901 living with her uncle in Newington but is recorded as >> >>>> "Elizabett". I have tried alternate spellings for HASKEW (Askew, >> >>>> Ascough, Haskieu) without any luck. She may well have been a >> teacher. >> >>>> Any help or guidance would be appreciated. >> >>>> > Thanks, >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Jan >> >>>> > in sultry Queensland >> >>>> > *************************************** >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >> >>>> View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. 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I have just found on google books, an 1831, 418 page publication called "A Topographical dictionary of London and its Environs". It gives the location of various streets and places. For example: "BOUVERIE-Str Fleet Street, is a wide new street that turns off at No. 62, about the middle of the south side of Fleet-Street. It leads towards Whitefriars, and the eastern gate of the Temple." and "BOW-CHURCH-YARD, Cheapside, is a small square with houses on two sides, turning off at No. 54, Cheapside, on the west side of the church, and leads into Bow-lane. It receives its name from the church of St. Mary-le-bow." This is a real gem!! See Topographical Dictionary <http://books.google.ca/books?id=tjEQAAAAYAAJ&dq=A+topographical+dictionary+of+London+and+its+environs&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=9DyZDKOxv3&sig=GnCEvShmub5CmtaZ2wl5qJq8QWA&hl=en&ei=BNfKSu7WLIHOsgPwwLCiBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false> If you have any trouble with this link just google on "A Topographical dictionary of London and its Environs" Jason

Thanks so much for your suggestions, Jo. Yes, I have tried the Chile rootsweb mailing list. There are a number of British Cemeteries in Chile, I believe. Have not seen one near Concepcion online. Another researcher told me that William LAWRENCE who died in 1869 was buried in Valparaiso and his grave was desroyed during an earthquake. Very sad. Best wishes and thanks again, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "jo mason" <jo.mason@swsmail.net> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > Why not try the rootsweb mailing list for Chile? > You could also look for the British Cemetery to see if records are online. > Good luck > Jo in Leics > > jo.mason@swsmail.net > holmested@one-name.org > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Dear Pam, Thank you so much for your help. I have tried to find records from Chile but haven't had much luck so far. Certainly, the name "Haskew" doesn't appear in anything I've found. The document I have about the proposed English school at Concepcion is from the diary of one of the teachers, Miss Leila WATERHOUSE, who arrived from the US with four companions in 1878 or slightly afterwards. There is no mention of Emily at all despite its being a wonderful blow by blow description of their early days in the city. Prior to that there was no English school in Chile and Eleanor's husband, William LAWRENCE, was against the school, not wanting to damage his business with the Catholics ( just about everyone) as he was a Wine Merchant. His father, another William, died in 1855 in Brixton, Surrey and was also a Wine Merchant. Eleanor and William LAWRENCE were married in Lambeth in 1845 and William became secretary of the Masonic Lodge at Concepcion after he arrived there with his wife and children in 1854. Eleanor and William's eldest son, it is documented, had recently returned from school in England in 1869 and was acting as a volunteer fireman in Valparaiso when he died after being hit by burning, falling timber. Many of the businesses in the City were destroyed but the damage could have been much worse. A portrait of William LAWRENCE hangs in the firefighters museum in Valpo and appears on their website. It is the same person, without a doubt, whose photo has been handed down through our family in my great grandfather's album. The other thing which I've just remembered is that the Bank of England Museum has records that Henry HASKEW worked there without a break until his retirement at 65 (in the 1890s). He, too, may have been away in Europe at census time. Are there more census records still to be transcribed? Can you suggest any other sources for Chile records at all. Thanks so much for your advice, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Hillier" <pamhillier24@virginbroadband.com.au> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > jan, > It seems possible with the "teacher" bent that perhaps that is where she > was....along with her uncle perhaps. In Chile at the school her aunt wanted > to establish???? > Have you googled > Have you checked into the Chile aspect, historically and via rootsweb lists. > This might be your avenue if you have (and seem to have) exhausted England. > cheers pam > > > >> Thanks for your most helpful reply, Caroline. >> I had reached the conclusion that Emily, as well as her Uncle Henry, may >> have been out of the country for many years. As I have now found Henry >> John HASKEW living in Westminster in 1871 as new records are added, I >> thought maybe Emily could now be found as well. I had found a shipping >> arrival in Liverpool from Valparaiso in Chile for an E HASKEW (nurse) in >> 1897 (the year of the death of Emily's mother.) Another document I have >> records Eleanor LAWRENCE, Emily's Auntie in Chile, as stating that she >> would like an English school in Concepcion so that her youngest daughter >> would not have to be sent to England for her education. This was in 1878 >> or a little later when a group of teachers arrived to set up a school >> there. This makes me think that Emily may have visited but did not remain >> there for any great length of time. >> >> Thanks so much for your assistance. That sounds like a wonderful life and >> I hope that's how it was for her! >> >> Jan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> >> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >> >> >>> Hi Jan >>> >>> Given what you say about Emily's life, so far as you know it, and noting >>> that a number HASKEW women seem to have been teachers, it seems to me >>> that >>> it is highly likely that she too had a career in education. She may have >>> taught abroad for the whole of the period she is "missing", though it >>> also >>> possible that she could have taught in the UK but have been away at the >>> time >>> of one or more of the censuses (which could well have coincided with the >>> easter school holidays (quite long, even in those days). It would have >>> been >>> quite normal for a well bred, spinster lady to have taken trips to >>> destinations of cultural interest on the Continent. Easter would have >>> been >>> a good time to do this, to avoid the excessive heat in the summer. >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> Caroline >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey- >>>> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn >>>> Sent: 04 October 2009 22:11 >>>> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >>>> >>>> Thanks for your reply. Sue. Yes, I have found her family on the census >>>> but she wasn't with them. I have her in 1851(in Liverpool) and 18619at >>>> school in Wiltshire) and I know that she taught English at a Convent in >>>> Paris in 1865 for a year. She then disappears 'til 1901 and 1911, when >>>> she is in Surrey with her Uncle who is a retired Bank of England Clerk >>>> and a widower. >>>> >>>> Your help is really appreciated as this really has me stumped! >>>> >>>> Jan >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Sue Coombs" <sue_coombs@hotmail.com> >>>> To: "Surrey List" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:50 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Jan, >>>> >>>> Do you have details of her parents or any siblings which might aid our >>>> search for you? >>>> >>>> Sue >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Hello, >>>> > I have tried in vain to find Emily Charlotte HASKEW on the >>>> 1871 census. She was born in Liverpool, Lancs in 1847. She can be seen >>>> in 1901 living with her uncle in Newington but is recorded as >>>> "Elizabett". I have tried alternate spellings for HASKEW (Askew, >>>> Ascough, Haskieu) without any luck. She may well have been a teacher. >>>> Any help or guidance would be appreciated. >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > Jan >>>> > in sultry Queensland >>>> > *************************************** >>>> > >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. 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Seconding Paul's applause for Ancestry's latest offerings with the London parish records but I STILL can't find my elusive John Austin, supposedly born in Bermondsey in 1822 ....! That man is going to have a lot to answer for when I finally meet him ..... lol Can anyone advise me what to try now? The 1851 census says he was born in Bermondsey, and he was buried in Abney Park so by his death at least he was a dissenter. If his parents were dissenters was there a baptism or other ritual that may have been recorded? Thanks Jason Paul Eggleton wrote: >Ancestry has been very unkind to my time by loading thousands of records mainly for London but also North Surrey. I have found so many relatives, some of which are major breakthroughs for me, especially on my wife's side, whose ancestry was nearly all from London. The marriages in particular, showing the father's name and profession has been critical and their search engine has also been very good, so that e.g. you can enter the father's name or mother's and find all the children for baptisms. They don't seem to have that many burials but marriages and bpt are great. > >I have certainly got my money's worth this year from ancestry and well done to them. > >Paul >*************************************** >Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > >List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Michael Welcome to the list. A couple of things - minor, but important. Always start a new posting and have a relevant subject line. I've amended this one to include the Surrey surnames you've included in this posting, and got rid of the old subject line as people with an interest in the same surnames may have deleted it without looking. It's always a good idea to put surnames in capitals - they then stand out and it distinguishes them from place names that are also found as surnames. Have you googled for Eric Coates? You might find something on his family. Don't be put off if never-met cousins never surface via Rootsweb. I've found only 1 that way. 2 or 3 others I've found by googling, searching via surnames, websites, lists of individuals, etc, and I can trace my line back to around 1660, so you can see, there must be loads of cousins out there that I've yet to stumble across!! I sometimes think I'm the only one searching! So check all your names in google and ancestry. There may just be someone out there who has that relative on the outskirts of their tree. And try the varies Rootsweb lists - there is a search facility on their home page. Try Genes Reunited but don't hand over all your research to anyone all in one go, and certainly don't add anyone to the tree you put on there who is still alive. Many a tales been told of trees that were opened to others, 'stolen', and then appeared somewhere with living peoples details revealed, or incorrectly added to other peoples trees 'because it fits'. Unfortunately some people are very lazy and don't double-check by buying certs, looking at sources, etc., and what they end up is a hodge-podge of information which bears little to reality. I hope I haven't put you off! Good luck Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clifton" <mclifton@cklegal.ca> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [SRY]Ancestry.com andLondonMetropolitanArchivesrecordscorrections > Hi all, > > I am new to the list and thought it best to introduce myself. Well...my > ancestors anyway. I'm wondering, of course, if anyone has connecting > lines and/or additional information. I am also looking for a few > never-met cousins, though none appear to be active in genealogical > research so far.

Hello everyone There has been so much wonderful advice and help proferred on so many topics lately that I wonder if anyone can give me some. I have a family in the 1851 census, but can trace almost no birth/marriage/death records for any of them and no census records in 1861 or 1871. One of them turns up in the 1881 census but his wife may have re-married by 1888 and there is no death record for him. Suggestions of how to search or places to search other than census and BMD sites would be very much appreciated. Details are as follows: The 1851 census records the following in St Clement Danes (yes, I know that's Middlesex but see below!): John Pearce aged 39 painter born St Anns Middx Ann Pearce wife 37 born Durham Ann Pearce daughter 9 born St Clement Danes Maria Pearce daug 5 born St Clement Danes Jane Pearce daug 3 born St Clement Danes - birth recorded in Strand, 1847, daug of John Joseph Pearse (note spelling) and Ann nee Richardson John Pearce son 1 born St Clement Danes Jane Pearce married in 1871 in St Johns Waterloo John Pearse (sic) married in 1873 in St Johns Waterloo and I can trace his children (a mixture of Pearse and Pearce) John Pearse and his wife and family are recorded in 1881 (under Perarse) in Broadwall, Christchurch, Southwark John Pearse's wife appears to have re-married by 1888 when she had a son by another man (Thomas Henry Wright) in St Saviour, Surrey, when she is recorded as "late Pearce, formerly Mayston [known to be her maiden name]"; she is recorded with her son and new man using his name in 1891, together with her children by John Pearse, but there is no trace of a marriage record (she may of course have been simply living with the new man but using his surname) nor a death record for John Pearse, though he is certainly dead by 1904 when one of his daughters married. I can find no trace of the family of John Joseph Pearce and Ann Pearce (or Pearse) in the 1861 or 1871 censuses, nor any of their deaths or other marriages. Suggestions gratefully received! Lawrence Pearse _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Ancestry has been very unkind to my time by loading thousands of records mainly for London but also North Surrey. I have found so many relatives, some of which are major breakthroughs for me, especially on my wife's side, whose ancestry was nearly all from London. The marriages in particular, showing the father's name and profession has been critical and their search engine has also been very good, so that e.g. you can enter the father's name or mother's and find all the children for baptisms. They don't seem to have that many burials but marriages and bpt are great. I have certainly got my money's worth this year from ancestry and well done to them. Paul

jan, It seems possible with the "teacher" bent that perhaps that is where she was....along with her uncle perhaps. In Chile at the school her aunt wanted to establish???? Have you googled Have you checked into the Chile aspect, historically and via rootsweb lists. This might be your avenue if you have (and seem to have) exhausted England. cheers pam > Thanks for your most helpful reply, Caroline. > I had reached the conclusion that Emily, as well as her Uncle Henry, may > have been out of the country for many years. As I have now found Henry > John HASKEW living in Westminster in 1871 as new records are added, I > thought maybe Emily could now be found as well. I had found a shipping > arrival in Liverpool from Valparaiso in Chile for an E HASKEW (nurse) in > 1897 (the year of the death of Emily's mother.) Another document I have > records Eleanor LAWRENCE, Emily's Auntie in Chile, as stating that she > would like an English school in Concepcion so that her youngest daughter > would not have to be sent to England for her education. This was in 1878 > or a little later when a group of teachers arrived to set up a school > there. This makes me think that Emily may have visited but did not remain > there for any great length of time. > > Thanks so much for your assistance. That sounds like a wonderful life and > I hope that's how it was for her! > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > > >> Hi Jan >> >> Given what you say about Emily's life, so far as you know it, and noting >> that a number HASKEW women seem to have been teachers, it seems to me >> that >> it is highly likely that she too had a career in education. She may have >> taught abroad for the whole of the period she is "missing", though it >> also >> possible that she could have taught in the UK but have been away at the >> time >> of one or more of the censuses (which could well have coincided with the >> easter school holidays (quite long, even in those days). It would have >> been >> quite normal for a well bred, spinster lady to have taken trips to >> destinations of cultural interest on the Continent. Easter would have >> been >> a good time to do this, to avoid the excessive heat in the summer. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Caroline >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey- >>> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn >>> Sent: 04 October 2009 22:11 >>> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >>> >>> Thanks for your reply. Sue. Yes, I have found her family on the census >>> but she wasn't with them. I have her in 1851(in Liverpool) and 18619at >>> school in Wiltshire) and I know that she taught English at a Convent in >>> Paris in 1865 for a year. She then disappears 'til 1901 and 1911, when >>> she is in Surrey with her Uncle who is a retired Bank of England Clerk >>> and a widower. >>> >>> Your help is really appreciated as this really has me stumped! >>> >>> Jan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sue Coombs" <sue_coombs@hotmail.com> >>> To: "Surrey List" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:50 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jan, >>> >>> Do you have details of her parents or any siblings which might aid our >>> search for you? >>> >>> Sue >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Hello, >>> > I have tried in vain to find Emily Charlotte HASKEW on the >>> 1871 census. She was born in Liverpool, Lancs in 1847. She can be seen >>> in 1901 living with her uncle in Newington but is recorded as >>> "Elizabett". I have tried alternate spellings for HASKEW (Askew, >>> Ascough, Haskieu) without any luck. She may well have been a teacher. >>> Any help or guidance would be appreciated. >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Jan >>> > in sultry Queensland >>> > *************************************** >>> > >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. 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Hi Jan No, I wasn't suggesting that you had the relationships wrong, simply pointing out that just because someone appears to be "living" at an address in one census then a different one in another, that does not mean that one, or either, is their actual home. For instance, even though Emily was enumerated in the same household as her uncle, she could have been *living* elsewhere (abroad even) but happened to be staying in his house just for that one night. It was really a general point, for everyone to bear in mind when considering census information. It is easy to forget that our ancestors had lives in between the censuses! The age-old advice about brick walls is to go round them, rather than banging your head on them. Sometimes the wall may seem like it goes on forever, but even the Great Wall of China has two ends. In family history terms, going round a wall to reach the other side tends to involve researching the family in its widest sense. Spinster ladies have a habit of turning up, not just in wills, but as witnesses at weddings etc. And a cousin who may look distant from the point of view of your tree (and may not be a HASKEW) may have been a good friend. One other possibility which springs to mind is that she might have become (or perhaps, rather, tried to become) a nun at some point. Doesn't help you much though! Best wishes Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn > Sent: 05 October 2009 12:57 > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > > Dear Caroline, > As always your reply has presented me with > some new ideas and suggestions. Thanks for that. > I'm not sure whether you 're thinking that perhaps some of Emily's > family were not actually siblings or aunts etc. My original source for > the HASKEW family was a handwritten tree prepared by a relative in > England. She says that she began with the family bible in which the two > generations we are concerned with at the moment are recorded. She > claimed to have "done" the family tree which I understood to mean that > she had found the parish records for each person. Certainly, all the > dates have been correct for the certificates I've purchased so far. > Some of the addresses are not exactly what is on the certificate but > most of the earlier generation have a street number and name included. > A few of the Wills have been obtained by family members so I'll try and > find an address for Emily on one of those. > Your help is greatly appreciated, > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > > > > Hi Jan > > > > So far as I am aware, there are no census records sitting awaiting > > transcription! But there are a number of chunks and smaller sections > which > > are "missing presumed lost for ever". > > > > It is sometimes all too easy to forget that the census is just a > snapshot of > > who was where on one single night. Just because someone is > enumerated in a > > household, one should not assume they were necessarily actually > *living* > > there. When family members visited, they would be classed as > "sister" (or > > whatever), though they might just have been spending the night in the > guest > > room on their way somewhere else, rather than forming part of the > actual > > household. > > > > Have you managed to find wills for every single member of the family > who > > died during the gap you are trying to fill? Emily might have been > mentioned > > in the will of even a relatively distant relative, even if this was > just to > > leave her a token amount or item of jewellery etc. Any such > reference may > > well provide an address. > > > > HTH > > > > Caroline > > > > Are there more census records still to be > >> transcribed? Can you suggest any other sources for Chile records at > >> all. > >> > >> Thanks so much for your advice, > >> Jan > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Pam Hillier" <pamhillier24@virginbroadband.com.au> > >> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:17 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > >> > >> > >> > jan, > >> > It seems possible with the "teacher" bent that perhaps that is > where > >> she > >> > was....along with her uncle perhaps. In Chile at the school her > aunt > >> wanted > >> > to establish???? > >> > Have you googled > >> > Have you checked into the Chile aspect, historically and via > rootsweb > >> lists. > >> > This might be your avenue if you have (and seem to have) exhausted > >> England. > >> > cheers pam > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> Thanks for your most helpful reply, Caroline. > >> >> I had reached the conclusion that Emily, as well as her Uncle > Henry, > >> may > >> >> have been out of the country for many years. As I have now found > >> Henry > >> >> John HASKEW living in Westminster in 1871 as new records are > added, > >> I > >> >> thought maybe Emily could now be found as well. I had found a > >> shipping > >> >> arrival in Liverpool from Valparaiso in Chile for an E HASKEW > >> (nurse) in > >> >> 1897 (the year of the death of Emily's mother.) Another document > I > >> have > >> >> records Eleanor LAWRENCE, Emily's Auntie in Chile, as stating > that > >> she > >> >> would like an English school in Concepcion so that her youngest > >> daughter > >> >> would not have to be sent to England for her education. This was > in > >> 1878 > >> >> or a little later when a group of teachers arrived to set up a > >> school > >> >> there. This makes me think that Emily may have visited but did > not > >> remain > >> >> there for any great length of time. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks so much for your assistance. That sounds like a wonderful > >> life and > >> >> I hope that's how it was for her! > >> >> > >> >> Jan > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> > >> >> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:09 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Jan > >> >>> > >> >>> Given what you say about Emily's life, so far as you know it, > and > >> noting > >> >>> that a number HASKEW women seem to have been teachers, it seems > to > >> me > >> >>> that > >> >>> it is highly likely that she too had a career in education. She > >> may have > >> >>> taught abroad for the whole of the period she is "missing", > though > >> it > >> >>> also > >> >>> possible that she could have taught in the UK but have been away > at > >> the > >> >>> time > >> >>> of one or more of the censuses (which could well have coincided > >> with the > >> >>> easter school holidays (quite long, even in those days). It > would > >> have > >> >>> been > >> >>> quite normal for a well bred, spinster lady to have taken trips > to > >> >>> destinations of cultural interest on the Continent. Easter > would > >> have > >> >>> been > >> >>> a good time to do this, to avoid the excessive heat in the > summer. > >> >>> > >> >>> Hope this helps > >> >>> > >> >>> Caroline > >> >>> > >> >>>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>>> From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey- > >> >>>> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn > >> >>>> Sent: 04 October 2009 22:11 > >> >>>> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > >> >>>> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks for your reply. Sue. Yes, I have found her family on the > >> census > >> >>>> but she wasn't with them. I have her in 1851(in Liverpool) and > >> 18619at > >> >>>> school in Wiltshire) and I know that she taught English at a > >> Convent in > >> >>>> Paris in 1865 for a year. She then disappears 'til 1901 and > 1911, > >> when > >> >>>> she is in Surrey with her Uncle who is a retired Bank of > England > >> Clerk > >> >>>> and a widower. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Your help is really appreciated as this really has me stumped! > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Jan > >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>> From: "Sue Coombs" <sue_coombs@hotmail.com> > >> >>>> To: "Surrey List" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > >> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:50 AM > >> >>>> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hi Jan, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Do you have details of her parents or any siblings which might > aid > >> our > >> >>>> search for you? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Sue > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > Hello, > >> >>>> > I have tried in vain to find Emily Charlotte HASKEW > on > >> the > >> >>>> 1871 census. She was born in Liverpool, Lancs in 1847. She can > be > >> seen > >> >>>> in 1901 living with her uncle in Newington but is recorded as > >> >>>> "Elizabett". I have tried alternate spellings for HASKEW > (Askew, > >> >>>> Ascough, Haskieu) without any luck. She may well have been a > >> teacher. > >> >>>> Any help or guidance would be appreciated. > >> >>>> > Thanks, > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > Jan > >> >>>> > in sultry Queensland > >> >>>> > *************************************** > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> >>>> View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. 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Hi Carole When you find the small pencil symbol against a name there are two main sources The first is from subscribers input, alterations/corrections, those you can go to the alteration tab and see the person who input it and click that to contact that person, it should be said that not all alterations are entered by a person actually researching that name, I have entered many on behalf of others where I have come across them but most you find I would suggest are from researchers interested in that entry so worth contacting either way The second source is from Ancestrys software, as I believe is the case with yours There is something wrong with the way the page your people are on is recorded (by the enumerator), there does not appear to be a head of household recorded for No 8 Peter Street, so the software is suggesting that Amelia may be the daughter of the head of household, which appears in the transcript as Wm CORK (incorrectly but not the fault of the transcriber but the enumerator) Both No 7 & No 8 are obviously sub let in rooms, your ETHERINGTONs are in one room within No 8 so James ETHERINGTON should be recorded as the head of household So in your case there is no one to contact as its software generated and is a suggestion not correction Looking at the marriages I don't see an obvious one for James and Amelia however they may never have married or have married somewhere which is not transcribed or has been lost There are nearly 100 Amelias baptised in Clerkenwell 1824 +/- 1 year, perhaps worth looking through those and trying those, some have two names and she may have married under a different forename , she may also have been a widow so it can be tricky to work that out :-( They do not appear to have had children either which doesn't help or have you found any? It is quite possible they split up and Amelia remarried under her maiden name or is buried under it None of which helps you find the marriage unfortunately Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hello Nivard Just read your email and would like to know how you can contact the person who has made a correction to transcriptions on ancesty. I have on the 1861 census living in Islington my Great-Great-Grandfather & his first wife James ETHERTON Amelia ETHERTON Someone has added an alternative surname for Amelia of Amelia CORK and I would like to know why. All I can see from looking at the image is that next door the Cork family is living. I am interested as I have never been able to find a marriage for James & Amelia nor her death before he married to his second wife in Lambeth 1870. Regards Carole Moon

Thanks for your most helpful reply, Caroline. I had reached the conclusion that Emily, as well as her Uncle Henry, may have been out of the country for many years. As I have now found Henry John HASKEW living in Westminster in 1871 as new records are added, I thought maybe Emily could now be found as well. I had found a shipping arrival in Liverpool from Valparaiso in Chile for an E HASKEW (nurse) in 1897 (the year of the death of Emily's mother.) Another document I have records Eleanor LAWRENCE, Emily's Auntie in Chile, as stating that she would like an English school in Concepcion so that her youngest daughter would not have to be sent to England for her education. This was in 1878 or a little later when a group of teachers arrived to set up a school there. This makes me think that Emily may have visited but did not remain there for any great length of time. Thanks so much for your assistance. That sounds like a wonderful life and I hope that's how it was for her! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > Hi Jan > > Given what you say about Emily's life, so far as you know it, and noting > that a number HASKEW women seem to have been teachers, it seems to me that > it is highly likely that she too had a career in education. She may have > taught abroad for the whole of the period she is "missing", though it also > possible that she could have taught in the UK but have been away at the time > of one or more of the censuses (which could well have coincided with the > easter school holidays (quite long, even in those days). It would have been > quite normal for a well bred, spinster lady to have taken trips to > destinations of cultural interest on the Continent. Easter would have been > a good time to do this, to avoid the excessive heat in the summer. > > Hope this helps > > Caroline > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn >> Sent: 04 October 2009 22:11 >> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >> >> Thanks for your reply. Sue. Yes, I have found her family on the census >> but she wasn't with them. I have her in 1851(in Liverpool) and 18619at >> school in Wiltshire) and I know that she taught English at a Convent in >> Paris in 1865 for a year. She then disappears 'til 1901 and 1911, when >> she is in Surrey with her Uncle who is a retired Bank of England Clerk >> and a widower. >> >> Your help is really appreciated as this really has me stumped! >> >> Jan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Coombs" <sue_coombs@hotmail.com> >> To: "Surrey List" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >> >> >> >> Hi Jan, >> >> Do you have details of her parents or any siblings which might aid our >> search for you? >> >> Sue >> >> >> > >> > Hello, >> > I have tried in vain to find Emily Charlotte HASKEW on the >> 1871 census. She was born in Liverpool, Lancs in 1847. She can be seen >> in 1901 living with her uncle in Newington but is recorded as >> "Elizabett". I have tried alternate spellings for HASKEW (Askew, >> Ascough, Haskieu) without any luck. She may well have been a teacher. >> Any help or guidance would be appreciated. >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Jan >> > in sultry Queensland >> > *************************************** >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. 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Thanks Andy. Needed to add BROWN. Michael

Hi Carole If you click on 'view record' rather than 'view image', you'll get the added entry after their name. However I've just looked at two for HEDGECOCKs and I could click on one and get the submitter's details (in this case it was me) and I would think you then get a link to enable you to email them. I couldn't tell where that was because it came up with my own profile details. The other entry did not give a clickable link. I don't know why there is a difference but it's possible it was done when Ancestry upgraded at one point and ALL existing transcriptions lost the link but all new ones added since the upgrade had a link. But I can't put my hand on my heart and say this is definitely what happened. As for your CORK mystery it might be worth following the CORK family back a couple of generations as I've got several examples in various census where siblings, relations of varying kinds are discovered next door to a family I'd already researched but with different surnames. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Moon" <carolefhs@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] Ancestry.com andLondonMetropolitanArchivesrecordscorrections Hello Nivard Just read your email and would like to know how you can contact the person who has made a correction to transcriptions on ancesty. I have on the 1861 census living in Islington my Great-Great-Grandfather & his first wife James ETHERTON Amelia ETHERTON Someone has added an alternative surname for Amelia of Amelia CORK and I would like to know why. All I can see from looking at the image is that next door the Cork family is living. I am interested as I have never been able to find a marriage for James & Amelia nor her death before he married to his second wife in Lambeth 1870. Regards Carole Moon --- On Thu, 1/10/09, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [SRY] Ancestry.com and LondonMetropolitanArchivesrecordscorrections To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 1 October, 2009, 4:53 PM Hi Dave Well worth the small effort to do the corrections, not only does it help you and others but every correction has a link to contact you as the contributor Looking at a lot of the 16th and 17th century PRs its a wonder we get any transcriptions that make sense as the writing in much of the early PRs is extremely difficult to read (slight understatement there !) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks Nivard > > I corrected thirty entries this afternoon. > > I wonder what the 16th and 17th century record transcriptions will look > like? > > Regards > Dave from North Devon *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for those suggestions, Pam. I do actually have a lot of information about Emily's family. I will post a little of it here. Emily's parents were Charles HASKEW (born Westminster 1817) and Mary Ann DOWNS (born Shaftesbury, Dorset in 1818) In 1871 they lived at 11 Portland Terrace, South Hackney. Charles was a Bank of England Clerk. Sons, Richard, Walter and Selwyn still remained in the family home. In 1871 my great Grandfather and Emily's brother, Charles HASKEW, was an Estate Agent who lived in St Paul's parish, Hammersmith. He came to Australia in 1884. Brother, George, was a Banker's Clerk who was living at 111 Lucan's Crescent, Pancras with his wife, Selina (nee GILL). George arrived in NSW in 1891, leaving his wife and daughter, Lillian, in England. Emily's sister, Mary Cecilia, was at school in Warminster, Wiltshire at Sambourne Ladies Boarding School where her Aunt Emily (born Hoxton 1809) was Headmistress. At last I have found Emily's Uncle, Henry John HASKEW, in 1871. He was living with his wife, Jane (nee LARKIN) at St George Hanover Square, Westminster. His wife and child predeceased him and the beneficiaries of his Will which he made in 1902 were "the children of my brother, Charles and of my my sister, Eleanor LAWRENCE, of Concepcion, Chile". I presume none of Henry's other siblings had surviving offspring. (there were 12 of them). Hoping this will help you to help me. With many thanks, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Hillier" <pamhillier24@virginbroadband.com.au> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW > Jan I think Sue might have been suggesting you post more details to the > list, to enable us to help you....grin !!! > I had a quick look for her yesterday, but without much joy......so some > additional info, parents names, where they were exactly in census > data......siblings??? This might assist > Have you posted to the Lancashire list? > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > >> Thanks for your reply. Sue. Yes, I have found her family on the census but >> she wasn't with them. I have her in 1851(in Liverpool) and 18619at school >> in Wiltshire) and I know that she taught English at a Convent in Paris in >> 1865 for a year. She then disappears 'til 1901 and 1911, when she is in >> Surrey with her Uncle who is a retired Bank of England Clerk and a >> widower. >> >> Your help is really appreciated as this really has me stumped! >> >> Jan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Coombs" <sue_coombs@hotmail.com> >> To: "Surrey List" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [SRY] HASKEW >> >> >> >> Hi Jan, >> >> Do you have details of her parents or any siblings which might aid our >> search for you? >> >> Sue >> >> >>> >>> Hello, >>> I have tried in vain to find Emily Charlotte HASKEW on the 1871 >>> census. She was born in Liverpool, Lancs in 1847. She can be seen in 1901 >>> living with her uncle in Newington but is recorded as "Elizabett". I have >>> tried alternate spellings for HASKEW (Askew, Ascough, Haskieu) without >>> any luck. She may well have been a teacher. Any help or guidance would be >>> appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jan >>> in sultry Queensland >>> *************************************** >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I was wondering if any SKS could help me out with the meaning of the name and the family crest? I'm having trouble finding either. Tanya