Hi Peter The Richard you mention the certs for was baptised 7th Sept 1906 at St John the Evangelist Walworth Born Nov 23rd 1906 the son of Henry and Edith WHITTINGTON of 35 Morcombe Street , Henry a fishmonger That is the only child I can find baptised for this couple It does sound as if the Richard Victor you seek is a different child to the one you have the certs and now baptism for, why would they Baptise, Register the birth & death as just Richard then send a post card as Richard Victor? Was there a male WHITTINGTON registered in the period? Or could he have been born abroad perhaps? Is it not possible the child marked as 5 months was born at another time? I have sent photos similarly marked XXX at 5 months but years different to when the photo was taken Mind you I don't find a Richard Victor WHITTINGTON born at any time in Eng/Wales Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello to All, > > I have a postcard photograph of a child marked RICHARD > VICTOR WHITTINGTON 5 months old, the postmark date is 22 may 1907, and is > addressed to 42 Hill Rise Richmond. The local studies librarian of > Richmond > tells me that the occupants of this address in 1908 were George and > Frances > Bates, Frances being my grandfather's sister (Frances Mary Whittington). > > The only birth record I can find is for RICHARD WHITTINGTON born 23rd Nov. > 1906 and registered 4 Jan 1907, this birth date would >

I need some 9 people known to be in Trafalgar St on the 1911( certs for all) all spellings tried plus a pickering and a widow geoghegan My Gran had 9 children 5 born in Kingston street and 3 in Trafalgar st perhaps they all went to sarfend for the Day?? josi

Hi Michael! Thanks for checking. Yes, I did find this info, but can't be sure this is the correct Ann - but looks promising. Best wishes, Judy From: Michael Clifton <mclifton@cklegal.ca> Subject: Re: [SRY] SHEEHAN deaths To: "eng-surrey@rootsweb.com" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> I found nothing really useful, but there is an Ann Hague born to William and Miriam on 30 Aug 1829, Saddleworth, York. Perhaps your William's grandmother, but I found no info to connect her? Michael mailto:sajones@bigpond.net.au For information about my Genealogy Interests: http://sajones.bigblog.com.au/

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Hi everyone! I am looking for the deaths of some young children of William SHEEHAN and Ann HAGUE in the Surrey / London area of England in the late 1850s to late 1860s. This couple married Nov 1855 at Stalybridge Ashton under Lyne Lancashire. One son, James Herbert SHEEHAN was born about 1855-58 possibly in Tipperary (Australian certs state Banshee / Bansheel Tipperary) and the next surviving child was a Catherine SHEEHAN born about 1865 in London / Surrey area of England (so says her marriage cert). Another son, William SHEEHAN was born about 1868 in the same area. In March 1871, when Mary SHEEHAN was born in Queensland Australia, James Herbert was 14yrs, Catherine was 6yrs, and William was 3yrs. Mary SHEEHAN's birth cert, also states that 2 males and 2 females born to William and Ann were dead. William SHEEHAN was born about 1835 Limerick and Ann HAGUE was born about 1828 Saddleworth Yorkshire. It is possible that James Herbert SHEEHAN had a different mother - Ann FREDERICKS as this name is mentioned on some certs also. Is anyone able to check for any burials / deaths for this couple please? Would be much appreciated. Thank you. Best wishes, Judy mailto:sajones@bigpond.net.au For information about my Genealogy Interests: http://sajones.bigblog.com.au/

Hi Judy, I take it you have the marriage certificate for William SHEEHAN and Ann HAGUE - if so was she a spinster when they married?  Is there any sign that she may have been married before and her maiden name may have been Fredericks?  What are the names of their father's and occupations?  Where were they living when they got married?  What was William's occupation?  All these facts may help us to help you. Did their children James Herbert, Catherine and William all remain in Australia or did any of them return to England?  Do you have any birth certificates for Catherine or William who were born in Surrey to help us look at a more specific area? Best wishes, Sue > Hi everyone! > > I am looking for the deaths of some young children of William SHEEHAN > and Ann HAGUE in the Surrey / London area of England in the late > 1850s to late 1860s. This couple married Nov 1855 at Stalybridge > Ashton under Lyne Lancashire. One son, James Herbert SHEEHAN was born > about 1855-58 possibly in Tipperary (Australian certs state Banshee / > Bansheel Tipperary) and the next surviving child was a Catherine > SHEEHAN born about 1865 in London / Surrey area of England (so says > her marriage cert). Another son, William SHEEHAN was born about 1868 > in the same area. In March 1871, when Mary SHEEHAN was born in > Queensland Australia, James Herbert was 14yrs, Catherine was 6yrs, > and William was 3yrs. Mary SHEEHAN's birth cert, also states that 2 > males and 2 females born to William and Ann were dead. > > William SHEEHAN was born about 1835 Limerick and Ann HAGUE was born > about 1828 Saddleworth Yorkshire. It is possible that James Herbert > SHEEHAN had a different mother - Ann FREDERICKS as this name is > mentioned on some certs also. > > Is anyone able to check for any burials / deaths for this couple > please? Would be much appreciated. > > Thank you. > Best wishes, Judy > _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/

I found nothing really useful, but there is an Ann Hague born to William and Miriam on 30 Aug 1829, Saddleworth, York. Perhaps your William's grandmother, but I found no info to connect her? Michael

Listers, Can you please help me unravel these several queries ? John Bew Townsend was baptised in Brixton at St Mathews Parish Church on 30/8/1829. His baptismal details record that his parents,John Beau Townsend & Sarah Frances (nee Garbutt) were married and lived and worked in Dulwich, he as a gardener. A family member (now deceased)said they were married in 1826 in St Johns Evangelical Church (?where?). Can anyone verify or correct this? The father, John Beau Townsend, died in August 1852, aged 53. At that time he lived and worked at Crown Hill, (renamed Crown Dale), Norwood. Can anyone check his place and date of birth or baptism around 1799?. A clue to his parents would be a great help. Thank you. Gordon.

Courtesy of Ancestry St Mary Lambeth - 1826 - this church is now the Garden Museum: John TOWNESEND, bachelor, of this parish and Sarah Frances GARBUTT spinster, of this parish married by Banns on 8 October 1826 by Chas. Turner, curate witnesses Jas. Longman GAWLER Jon. SEAGER [both regular witnesses] John Bew's baptism is slightly simpler - his parents are noted as John and Sarah (no middle names). Can't seem to identify any siblings. HTH JK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:32 PM, gordon townsend <gordon@gtownsend26.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > Listers, > Can you please help me unravel these several queries ? > > John Bew Townsend was baptised in Brixton at St Mathews Parish Church on 30/8/1829. > His baptismal details record that his parents,John Beau Townsend & Sarah Frances (nee Garbutt) were married and lived and worked in Dulwich, he as a gardener. > A family member (now deceased)said they were married in 1826 in St Johns Evangelical Church (?where?). > Can anyone verify or correct this? > > The father, John Beau Townsend, died in August 1852, aged 53. At that time he lived and worked at Crown Hill, (renamed Crown Dale), Norwood. Can anyone check his place and date of birth or baptism around 1799?. >  A clue to his parents would be a great help. > > Thank you. > > Gordon.

Just an aside Captain William Bligh is buried there. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "J K gen" <gen2mail@googlemail.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Townsends Courtesy of Ancestry St Mary Lambeth - 1826 - this church is now the Garden Museum: John TOWNESEND, bachelor, of this parish and Sarah Frances GARBUTT spinster, of this parish married by Banns on 8 October 1826 by Chas. Turner, curate witnesses Jas. Longman GAWLER Jon. SEAGER [both regular witnesses] John Bew's baptism is slightly simpler - his parents are noted as John and Sarah (no middle names). Can't seem to identify any siblings. HTH JK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:32 PM, gordon townsend <gordon@gtownsend26.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > Listers, > Can you please help me unravel these several queries ? > > John Bew Townsend was baptised in Brixton at St Mathews Parish Church on > 30/8/1829. > His baptismal details record that his parents,John Beau Townsend & Sarah > Frances (nee Garbutt) were married and lived and worked in Dulwich, he as > a gardener. > A family member (now deceased)said they were married in 1826 in St Johns > Evangelical Church (?where?). > Can anyone verify or correct this? > > The father, John Beau Townsend, died in August 1852, aged 53. At that time > he lived and worked at Crown Hill, (renamed Crown Dale), Norwood. Can > anyone check his place and date of birth or baptism around 1799?. > A clue to his parents would be a great help. > > Thank you. > > Gordon. *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date: 10/22/09 08:51:00

Hi there Does anyone on the list visit this cemetery? I am asking on behalf of a friend who is not on mailing lists if there is someone who is able to photograph a grave/headstone of her great great grandparents Robert and Sarah Anne BEAUMONT. If anyone is able to assist it would be greatly appreciated. Please contact me offlist for the grave reference numbers. Many thanks Debbie Bowdler Motueka, New Zealand

Hallo All Just a reminder that the P-rr-tt Society, the one name family history group, will be holding its autumn meeting near Bedford this coming Saturday.  If you have an interest in Parrotts, Perretts, Porritts and other variants of the name you will be made most welcome. For details see http://www.p-rr-tt.org.uk/ Hilary

Mo, Information required for a friend of a friend - I've passed on details of the Garden Museum url etc and suggested that the friend joins East Surrey, as that is clearly his area of interest, and that CD might also be of interest to him. Hope you get the business! Kind regards J On 21 Oct 2009, at 15:33, Maureen Burton wrote: > Hello again > I have spoken to the lady who manages the Transcriptions about the > MI's for St Mary Lambeth and she has told me that there are some > waiting to be finalised for publication. > If you would like to send me the details of what/who you are > looking for, I can forward them to her and she will have a look to > see if they are included in what has been transcribed. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > > Mo > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:09 AM, J K gen <gen2mail@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> Has anyone published the MIs for St Mary Lambeth - aka the Garden >> Museum? >> >> JK >> ***************************************

Hello again I have spoken to the lady who manages the Transcriptions about the MI's for St Mary Lambeth and she has told me that there are some waiting to be finalised for publication. If you would like to send me the details of what/who you are looking for, I can forward them to her and she will have a look to see if they are included in what has been transcribed. Hope this helps. Regards Mo On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:09 AM, J K gen <gen2mail@googlemail.com> wrote: > Has anyone published the MIs for St Mary Lambeth - aka the Garden Museum? > > JK > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carole A (perhaps) surprising number of couples did not actually marry. But there are other reasons why you can't find the record you are seeking. Some of these are: The marriage does not appear in the GRO index because it was "lost in transmission". The process of collating and transmitting information from the place of the marriage, to the local registrar, then the superintendant registrar, thence to the GRO and within the GRO to the final index was prone to errors and omissions at each stage. It has been estimated that as many as 10% of marriages have failed to end up correctly indexed. The marriage is there, but one or both parties married under unexpected names. The marriage took place many years after you would have expected it to. This is by no means uncommon, and one should certainly never assume that a couple married before the birth of their first child. The marriage may have taken place in another country. Don't forget that, from the point of view of civil registration, Scotland and Ireland are separate countries. I you would like to post the details of the couple you are struggling with (preferably with as much background information as you can), it is possible that a pair of fresh eyes may help. Best wishes Caroline > > Thanks for going to the trouble for me Caroline. It has answered a > number of > questions, I will have a look on the Catholic site, I have had no luck > with > the civil registration search. I don't believe the couple I am > interested in > married, they are on the censuses though. > > Thanks again > > Carole >

Thanks for going to the trouble for me Caroline. It has answered a number of questions, I will have a look on the Catholic site, I have had no luck with the civil registration search. I don't believe the couple I am interested in married, they are on the censuses though. Thanks again Carole -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Bradford Sent: 12 October 2009 22:25 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Ancestry's new London parish registers The LMA's Digitisation page (http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_cultur e/Records_and_archives/Ancestry+digitisation.htm) gives a list. They are not doing badly so far - it would be nice if the school admission registers were indeed online in 2009! The indexed versions of the earlier parish registers are something to look forward to as well, but the huge variation in style of these from parish to parish (not to mention the condition of some of the registers themselves) must be giving them a bit of a headache. Best wishes Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Jan Hearn > Sent: 12 October 2009 22:11 > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ancestry's new London parish registers > > Hello, > I've heard that more records are to be added soon. Does anyone > know which ones they will be please? > > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ancestry's new London parish registers > > > > Hi Carole > > > > The clue is in the name - *parish* registers refer to the registers > of the > > Established Church (i.e. the Church of England) :-) > > > > You won't find any registers of Roman Catholic churches (which are > > officially termed "missions" not "parishes") in the collection, and > they are > > very hard to research (try http://www.catholic- > library.org.uk/index.html for > > information), though between 1754 and 1837 your Catholic ancestors > would > > have had to marry in the Church of England. This applied to the > protestant > > non-conformists too (though not to Quakers or Jews who were allowed > to > > maintain their own records, on the basis that these were accepted to > be very > > well regulated). > > > > So every marriage, if it took place in London, should be there until > 1837, > > unless it took place within the many large churches in the City of > > Westminster (which covers a large part of the central area). These > > registers are held by the Westminster Archive Centre, not the LMA or > the > > Guildhall Library, so are not part of the project in question. > > > > After 1837, you will only find marriages which took place in C of E > > churches. For the rest (Catholic, non-conformist, Jewish etc), and > anything > > in Westminster, you are best off relying on marriage certificates via > the > > civil registration system. > > > > As for baptisms, these were always optional, so your ancestors may > just not > > have been very godly! If they were non-conformists (including > Quakers), try > > the non-parochial registers available via subscription of pay-per- > view at > > www.thegenealogist.co.uk. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Caroline > > > > > > > >> > >> Can anyone enlighten me on the new parish registers for the London > area > >> Ancestry has? Are these Anglican records only or include other > >> denominations? > >> > >> > >> > >> I am beginning to think the ancestors I am looking for may have been > >> Catholic. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > >> Carole Brett > >> > >> *************************************** > >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM > AWAY** > >> superfluous old messages in replies. > >> > >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. 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For Maureen Burton Please let me know price inc pandp for the new cd. Kind regards Mike Say 21st October 2009

Has anyone published the MIs for St Mary Lambeth - aka the Garden Museum? JK

A new cd has been published by East Surrey Family History Society details are: *St Mary Lambeth Baptisms 1746-1804* *Stockwell Chapel Baptisms 1775-1807* Both on one cd: Not even on our website yet Price and ordering details by sending an email to me at the above address Maureen Burton Postal Sales Coordinator

I have a Samuel Bertie Hestath Hicks Ashworth b 1875 Marylebone to a Jane Geoghegan b 1873 (she said) Marr: 1905 Is there anyone with the spouse in their tree? thank you Josi