> No, totally my fault (d*mn, thought I was perfect) - I > probably entered it > late at night and just mistyped it.  Should now be > correct. well, more perfect than some anyway since you're prepared to host such a useful site :-D :-)) le durachd fionnghal

Hi Fionnghal, No, totally my fault (d*mn, thought I was perfect) - I probably entered it late at night and just mistyped it. Should now be correct. Trev -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fionnghal Sent: 24 October 2009 21:25 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] New email for Surrey Wills Hi Trevor, a wee correction, Adela Ive is 2 names, Ive being her mother's maiden name given to Lucy as a 2nd middle name. i use OO Writer as opposed to 'Word' for my text files then convert to a word-type doc when e-mailing to other folk so perhaps it corrupted a word or two in the process givng you the two names run together as Adelaive but it really is as below. Lucy Adela Ive BROCKLEHURST, Thank you for the marvellous service, Trevor, I for one really appreciate it, and when i've got time, I'll transcribe a few more wills to send you. le durachd Fionnghal I'd like to thank all contributors to the Surrey-Plus Wills Index http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engsurry/ for their contributions to date. Please note my new email address for any future contributions, correspondence and queries. *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fionnghal, A big thank you for this link.  The site is excellant - the maps very clear.  In fact, I may purchase some of the maps. Regards  Richard Brown Bromley U.K. ________________________________ From: Fionnghal <fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 25 October, 2009 9:32:28 Subject: Re: [SRY] National Archives - "Your Archive" beta version hi Richard, Thanks for that information.  You might like to check out Mapco too if you haven't already.  It has a wonderful selection of old maps and makes and comparing them from one decade to the next a distinct possibility http://archivemaps.com/mapco/index.htm le durachd Fionnghal > I am currently looking up Victorian Census addresses of > ancestors.  Care has to be exercised because of street > renaming, redevelopments, WW2 bombing etc.  My research > includes checking the LCC records of street renaming and the > 1890's Ordnance Survey maps. > I have just googled a street, and came across a useful > "Your Archives" beta site.  > http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Help:What_can_I_do_here%3F       *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This coming Saturday 31st October West Surrey FHS holds its annual Open Day and Family History Fair at Woking Leisure Centre, Kingfield Road, Woking GU22 9BA from 10am to 4.30pm. This is a large event with numerous family history societies in attendance from not only the neighbouring Counties, but from all over the Country, plus commercial sellers of books, postcards, software and all the usual materials. Three new WSFHS CDs are being launched on the day:- CD 10 "THE SURREY BURIAL INDEX 2nd edition 2009 compiled by Alan Benny", includes 575,500 burials and covers the period from the start of each Parish Register, mostly up to 1865 (some later) for all ancient parishes and many 'modern' parishes (created after 1837) in rural Surrey. In addition to parish burials the index includes Dorking Cemetery records up to 1999, Godalming (Nightingale) Cemetery records up to 1998 and Godalming (Eashing) Cemetery records to 2003. Also, there are separate full transcriptions and indexes to Dorking Cemetery to 1950, Eashing to 1953 and Nightingale to 1955. and entries from more than 30 non-conformist Registers within the county. CD 15 "SURREY BAPTISMS NOT IN THE IGI 3rd edition 2009". This Index compiled by Rosemary Cleaver, includes the 257,000 entries in the 2nd edition, compiled by Alan Benny, 2008, from transcription supplied by Cliff Webb and volunteers worldwide. The new edition contains over 310,000 baptisms, of which over 250,000 have not been included in the IGI. There are entries from 191 Registers (some in Metropolitan Surrey) of various dates - many up to 1876 including more than 30 non-conformist and workhouse registers. NEW CD CD 16 "EARLY 20th CENTURY LONDON: MAPS, STREET NAMES AND SCHOOLS, compiled and indexed by Chris Willis, edited by Sue Turner, 2009". This CD contains the six Board School Maps of London, produced in 1906/7 by the London Schools Authorities. They were based on the 6" Ordnance Survey stock of the time and over printed with boundaries of the areas used in controlling the schools and also with the actual schools. To provide an index into the maps, a Street Index (published by West Surrey Family History Society as Research Aids 44-46) designed for the 1:2500 Alan Godfrey Maps has been included and an index to all the schools in the overlay. You can go directly from the index to the locality on the appropriate map. The 'London County Council List of the Streets and Places' published in 1912 is also included on this CD. This includes all the streets as at that date, plus a list of abolished street names. There is no direct link from this to the maps, but a Reference Map is included to assist. Full details of the CDs and all the other publications will be on the WSFHS website in the next day or so at: http://www.wsfhs.org/publications.htm There is a separate hall providing a wide range of resources for research including computer help and look-ups by the Census Detectives and by a number of other volunteers who will have official access to sites including Ancestry, Findmypast and Origins on the day. One of the computer help tables will be dedicated to helping beginners. A third room is set aside for a programme of seven separate subject talks running throughout the day with free tickets being issued on a first come, first served basis. There is a large free car park, and a cafeteria on site offers good quality breakfasts and lunches at reasonable prices, as well as sandwiches and rolls and sweet stickies..........., or just a cup of tea or coffee. For information about stallholders, talks, publications, travel directions etc etc, see: http://www.wsfhs.org/Openday.htm Ann Surrey Admin

hi Richard, Thanks for that information. You might like to check out Mapco too if you haven't already. It has a wonderful selection of old maps and makes and comparing them from one decade to the next a distinct possibility http://archivemaps.com/mapco/index.htm le durachd Fionnghal > I am currently looking up Victorian Census addresses of > ancestors. Care has to be exercised because of street > renaming, redevelopments, WW2 bombing etc. My research > includes checking the LCC records of street renaming and the > 1890's Ordnance Survey maps. > I have just googled a street, and came across a useful > "Your Archives" beta site.  > http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Help:What_can_I_do_here%3F

Richard, A most useful facility on this site is the official street index for both the 1841 and 1851 census (more years to come). 1841 street index http://tinyurl.com/cfuoqb 1851 street index http://tinyurl.com/dmly3q Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard M Brown I am currently looking up Victorian Census addresses of ancestors.  Care has to be exercised because of street renaming, redevelopments, WW2 bombing etc.  My research includes checking the LCC records of street renaming and the 1890's Ordnance Survey maps. I have just googled a street, and came across a useful "Your Archives" beta site.  This is hosted by the National Archives and is a place where contributors can add their notes, updates etc. http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Help:What_can_I_ do_here%3F I am sure the site offers a lot more facilities, but it is worth exploring and checking out.  I was helped in looking for a street in Heston, Middlesex.  

All, I am currently looking up Victorian Census addresses of ancestors.  Care has to be exercised because of street renaming, redevelopments, WW2 bombing etc.  My research includes checking the LCC records of street renaming and the 1890's Ordnance Survey maps. I have just googled a street, and came across a useful "Your Archives" beta site.  This is hosted by the National Archives and is a place where contributors can add their notes, updates etc. http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Help:What_can_I_do_here%3F I am sure the site offers a lot more facilities, but it is worth exploring and checking out.  I was helped in looking for a street in Heston, Middlesex.   Richard Brown Bromley Kent U.K.

Hi Sue! I have ordered the marriage cert. and hopefully will have it next week. I will do another post then if more info comes to light. I can't find any link to the FREDERICKS name and thought Ann HAGUE may have been previously married, but the other scenario is that her mother remarried and she was raised as a FREDERICKS or William was previously married. All the children remained in Australia and the info about Catherine (1865) and William (1868) being born in London / Surrey comes from their marriage certs. in Australia. It actually states that Catherine was born London Surrey. No, we don't have any birth certs, but I guess it would be worth a stab, but there are a few Sheehans born in that time frame. Not knowing if it was London or Surrey that Catherine and William were born. I can't find any mention of the Sheehan family in the 1861 census either which makes me think they may have been in Ireland at that time. Thanks very much for your interest, Sue Best wishes, Judy From: Sue Coombs <sue_coombs@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [SRY] SHEEHAN deaths To: Surrey List <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Hi Judy, I take it you have the marriage certificate for William SHEEHAN and Ann HAGUE - if so was she a spinster when they married?? Is there any sign that she may have been married before and her maiden name may have been Fredericks?? What are the names of their father's and occupations?? Where were they living when they got married?? What was William's occupation?? All these facts may help us to help you. Did their children James Herbert, Catherine and William all remain in Australia or did any of them return to England?? Do you have any birth certificates for Catherine or William who were born in Surrey to help us look at a more specific area? Best wishes, Sue mailto:sajones@bigpond.net.au For information about my Genealogy Interests: http://sajones.bigblog.com.au/

"Courtesy of Ancestry" I have a subscription to Ancestry which I find priceless for some things - for example the London Records currently being digitised by them which are deposited at the London Metropolitan Archives (LMA). This is a vast collection of a wide variety of records any of which could prove essential for those with London ancestors. There's no indiication of your geographical location, though I suspect a town in the UK somewhere. There are a number of possible places where you may access Ancestry: LMA itself for one (which is in London!); a number of local libraries or other local studies; other County Offices; The National Archves (TNA) which is a Kew; a number of Family History Centers which are run by the Morman church otherwise the Church of LatterDay Saints (LDS), the big one in Hyde Park also has an online catalogue to their holdings - there is a vast collection of microfilms of a variety of records of all kinds available through the LDS - their website will be the place to look for the locations of Centers and Library Holdings. You probably need a book of "how to" research your family history, though there are some excellent websites which could also point you in the right direction. JK On 24 Oct 2009, at 16:23, gordon townsend wrote: > JK > Many thanks for your information....it has put me another rung up > the family tree ladder. > > Please tell me how and where you got this information about John > Beau Townsend so that I dont have to pester the List in future.I am > a novice in these matters. > Happy hunting > Gordon. > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Oct 22 2009, 08:21 PM > From: "J K gen" > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SRY] Townsends > > > Courtesy of Ancestry > > St Mary Lambeth - 1826 - this church is now the Garden Museum: > > John TOWNESEND, bachelor, of this parish > and Sarah Frances GARBUTT spinster, of this parish > married by Banns on 8 October 1826 by Chas. Turner, curate > witnesses Jas. Longman GAWLER > Jon. SEAGER > [both regular witnesses] > > > John Bew's baptism is slightly simpler - his parents are noted as John > and Sarah (no middle names). Can't seem to identify any siblings. > > HTH > JK > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:32 PM, gordon townsend > wrote: >> Listers, >> Can you please help me unravel these several queries ? >> >> John Bew Townsend was baptised in Brixton at St Mathews Parish >> Church on 30/8/1829. >> His baptismal details record that his parents,John Beau Townsend & >> Sarah Frances (nee Garbutt) were married and lived and worked in >> Dulwich, he as a gardener. >> A family member (now deceased)said they were married in 1826 in St >> Johns Evangelical Church (?where?). >> Can anyone verify or correct this? >> >> The father, John Beau Townsend, died in August 1852, aged 53. At >> that time he lived and worked at Crown Hill, (renamed Crown Dale), >> Norwood. Can anyone check his place and date of birth or baptism >> around 1799?. >> A clue to his parents would be a great help. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Gordon. > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM > AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM > AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Don't think this is going to be much help: The only search results for 'Trafalgar Street, Walworth' on FMP FRAMPTON, Henry H Head Married 8 years M 28 1883 Carman Lambeth VIEW 185 FRAMPTON, Jane Wife F 25 1886 Ber Mond Sey VIEW 185 FRAMPTON, Sarah F 4 1907 Newington VIEW 185 FRAMPTON, William Son M 3 1908 Newington VIEW 185 FRAMPTON, Edward Son M 1 1910 Newington Love the Ber Mond Sey (so would my grandfather, b Bermondsey, have !) Anne South Australia Josi Birkbeck wrote: > > > I need some 9 people known to be in Trafalgar St on the 1911( certs > for all) all spellings tried plus a pickering and a widow geoghegan > My Gran had 9 children > 5 born in Kingston street and 3 in Trafalgar st > perhaps they all went to sarfend for the Day?? > > > josi > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is there any clue as to where it was posted from the postmark or is the photographer named ? Anne South Australia Peter wrote: > Hello to All, > > I have a postcard photograph of a child marked RICHARD > VICTOR WHITTINGTON 5 months old, the postmark date is 22 may 1907, and is > addressed to 42 Hill Rise Richmond. The local studies librarian of Richmond > tells me that the occupants of this address in 1908 were George and Frances > Bates, Frances being my grandfather's sister (Frances Mary Whittington). > > The only birth record I can find is for RICHARD WHITTINGTON born 23rd Nov. > 1906 and registered 4 Jan 1907, this birth date would >

Some possibilities sent off list. Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josi Birkbeck I need some 9 people known to be in Trafalgar St on the 1911( certs for all) all spellings tried plus a pickering and a widow geoghegan My Gran had 9 children 5 born in Kingston street and 3 in Trafalgar st perhaps they all went to sarfend for the Day??

JK Many thanks for your information....it has put me another rung up the family tree ladder. Please tell me how and where you got this information about John Beau Townsend so that I dont have to pester the List in future.I am a novice in these matters. Happy hunting Gordon. ======================================== Message Received: Oct 22 2009, 08:21 PM From: "J K gen" To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [SRY] Townsends Courtesy of Ancestry St Mary Lambeth - 1826 - this church is now the Garden Museum: John TOWNESEND, bachelor, of this parish and Sarah Frances GARBUTT spinster, of this parish married by Banns on 8 October 1826 by Chas. Turner, curate witnesses Jas. Longman GAWLER Jon. SEAGER [both regular witnesses] John Bew's baptism is slightly simpler - his parents are noted as John and Sarah (no middle names). Can't seem to identify any siblings. HTH JK On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:32 PM, gordon townsend wrote: > Listers, > Can you please help me unravel these several queries ? > > John Bew Townsend was baptised in Brixton at St Mathews Parish Church on 30/8/1829. > His baptismal details record that his parents,John Beau Townsend & Sarah Frances (nee Garbutt) were married and lived and worked in Dulwich, he as a gardener. > A family member (now deceased)said they were married in 1826 in St Johns Evangelical Church (?where?). > Can anyone verify or correct this? > > The father, John Beau Townsend, died in August 1852, aged 53. At that time he lived and worked at Crown Hill, (renamed Crown Dale), Norwood. Can anyone check his place and date of birth or baptism around 1799?. > A clue to his parents would be a great help. > > Thank you. > > Gordon. *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patricia L Thank you for the aside re Wm Bligh. I presume you are alluding to St Mathews Church. Please tell me how I 'get into' the church registers...I am a novice at this depth of searching. Again thank you for your help Gordon. ======================================== Message Received: Oct 22 2009, 09:24 PM From: "Patricia L" To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [SRY] Townsends Just an aside Captain William Bligh is buried there. Pat

Hello to All, I have a postcard photograph of a child marked RICHARD VICTOR WHITTINGTON 5 months old, the postmark date is 22 may 1907, and is addressed to 42 Hill Rise Richmond. The local studies librarian of Richmond tells me that the occupants of this address in 1908 were George and Frances Bates, Frances being my grandfather's sister (Frances Mary Whittington). The only birth record I can find is for RICHARD WHITTINGTON born 23rd Nov. 1906 and registered 4 Jan 1907, this birth date would Make the child 5 months old at the time of the post card, but the child's parents Henry (Haddock Smoker) and Edith Whittington (formerly Howard) are not known to me, nor can I find a marriage record for this couple. I also have a copy of this child's death certificate 20th Dec 1908, this time the parents are listed as Henry (Fish Curer) and E. Whittington. My objective is to establish if the child on the photograph RICHARD VICTOR WHITTINGTON and the child on the certificates RICHARD WHITTINGTON are one and the same.I have been in touch with the Evelina Hospital where the child died regarding any records they may have and they referred me to the London Metropolitan Archives , but the only way I can check their records is to visit their premises , a bit far to go from here, Western Australia. I have sent an email to the Southwark Council asking for a list of possible cemeteries where the child may have been buried, but so far no answer. Does any body have a list of cemeteries in the Southwark district that I could contact for possible records?? The address of Henry Whittington (fish curer) at the time of at the time of the birth and death certificates was 35 Morecambe street Southwark, and he was still there at the time of the 1911 census, although no family shown, the census also gives his length of marriage as 27 Yrs, which would be 1883-4 , there is a marriage recorded for Henry Whittington and Eliza Marshall 2nd Feb. 1883,and they are shown on the 1891 census with his occupation as Fishmonger, so I am confused as to where this child RICHARD VICTOR WHITTINGTON , fits into my family. Any help would be much appreciated. Respectfully Peter Whittington Western Australia

Hi Trevor, a wee correction, Adela Ive is 2 names, Ive being her mother's maiden name given to Lucy as a 2nd middle name.  i use OO Writer as opposed to 'Word' for my text files then convert to a word-type doc when e-mailing to other folk so perhaps it corrupted a word or two in the process givng you the two names run together as Adelaive but it really is as below.  Lucy Adela Ive BROCKLEHURST, Thank you for the marvellous service, Trevor, I for one really appreciate it, and when i've got time, I'll transcribe a few more wills to send you. le durachd Fionnghal I'd like to thank all contributors to the Surrey-Plus Wills Index http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engsurry/ for their contributions to date. Please note my new email address for any future contributions, correspondence and queries.

I am reseaching the following surnames associated to my VOKES line (Voakes, Folks & variants) William VOKES married Sarah WELLAND 1779 at Witley. son Stephen Vokes bpt 1788 at Godalming married Jane DENYER 1813 at Witley. Other associated surnames are: CALLINGHAM; CHILDS; CHITTY; DENYER EDE/EADE; HADINGTON; JOHNS; MAY; MacRELL; PINK; WELLAND; WITHALL Sincerely GAIL in Ontario

The following taken from Parish Record: Richard Whittington born 7th Dec 1906 baptised 23rd November 1906 St John´s Church Walworth Parents Henry (fishmonger) and Edith Whittington Address 35 Morcambe Street Albert Edward Whittington born 24 June 1905 baptised 7 July 1905 St John´s Church Walworth Parents Henry (fish curer) and Edith Whittington Address 35 Morecambe Street James Whittington baptised 25 August 1878 St John´s Church Walworth Parents Henry (fish dealer) and Elizabeth Whittington Address 5 Orchard Place Marriage at St John´s Church in the Parish of St John Walworth in the County of Surrey Febry 2 1883 Henry Whittington age 20 Bachelor, Haddock Drier of 35 Can??? Street, father Henry Whittington, Haddock Drier Eliza Lydia Marshall 20 Spinster of 26 Henchar?? Street, father Luther Emanuel Marshall deceased Witnesses Thomas Pickett, Mary Ann Flinders Diane

Hi Diane I wondered how you found the 1905 baptism that I did not The father is recorded as Harry not Henry Clearly the right family though as the address is the same , Henry and Harry are interchangeable at times so perhaps an old fashioned Vicar <g> (or one that needs glasses :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) The following taken from Parish Record: Richard Whittington born 7th Dec 1906 baptised 23rd November 1906 St John´s Church Walworth Parents Henry (fishmonger) and Edith Whittington Address 35 Morcambe Street Albert Edward Whittington born 24 June 1905 baptised 7 July 1905 St John´s Church Walworth Parents Henry (fish curer) and Edith Whittington Address 35 Morecambe Street

Hi Josi, If you are able to give us some names maybe we can try to find them for you? Sue > > I need some 9 people known to be in Trafalgar St on the 1911( certs > for all) all spellings tried plus a pickering and a widow geoghegan > My Gran had 9 children > 5 born in Kingston street and 3 in Trafalgar st > perhaps they all went to sarfend for the Day?? > > > josi _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger onto your mobile for free http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/