Hi Pat Ancestry.com has incoming passenger lists 1878 - 1960 Regards, Peter in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia L" <polly2@shaw.ca> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: [SRY] Passenger Lists > Good Evening, > I am trying to recall the site that has passengers returning to England > Can you Help? > Pat > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Patrick, A good remider.  This site also contains a lot more besides....... Cheers  Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. ________________________________ From: patrick holland <lambeth@tadaust.org.au> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 31 October, 2009 8:46:35 Subject: [SRY] Surrey WW1 and WW2 War Memorials | Goldsworth Park Community Association | Window on Woking Here is a list of Surrey WW1 and WW2 memorials which might interest some of our members. http://www.windowonwoking.org.uk/sites/goldsworthparkcommunityassociation/memorialsworldwar1andtwo/surreywarmemorialspagee Patrick Holland. *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Peter. Have checked the site and is what I wanted. thanks again Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Enlund" <penlund@optusnet.com.au> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Passenger Lists > Hi Pat > > Ancestry.com has incoming passenger lists 1878 - 1960 > > Regards, Peter in Melbourne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia L" <polly2@shaw.ca> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:00 PM > Subject: [SRY] Passenger Lists > > >> Good Evening, >> I am trying to recall the site that has passengers returning to England >> Can you Help? >> Pat >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2469 - Release Date: 10/30/09 07:52:00

Good Evening, I am trying to recall the site that has passengers returning to England Can you Help? Pat

>From The Pall Mall Gazette ( London, England ), Saturday, March 15, 1884; Issue 5936. MARRIAGE BUSH - BRETT - At St. John's, Croydon, Edward T., son of the late Mr. John S. BUSH, C.E., G.I.P.R. ( India ), to Esther A., widow of Mr. Frank BRETT, March 13. Not connected to our research, but have traced that Frank BRETT died aged 35 in June Qtr. 1883, Croydon 2a 121. Esther's maiden name was BUSH. Marriage of Frank BRETT & Esther Annie BUSH took place in Camberwell Registration District in June Qtr. 1872 1d 932.

Nivard and this list I have unsubbed Josi

apologies wont do Ill unsub Jo

fine > >If you have a household in the right address and the details nearly match I >would say there is a good chance they were yours, people were very >distrusting of authority and suspected they had other motives for carrying >out the census than a head count Thank you Nivard the bloody geoghegans! judy found them and Ive an uncle who was 'helping' me with the famhist wrote me 23 foolscap pages a page a week or so and I belived him about 30 cert and a lot of money wasted i hired a pro..and he said to leave them out of the chase.. BUT on the the pages said that his father used his mothers maiden name a lot...so thats was the only time in his 90 years... he told the truth! # he is facing his Maker and HE wont accept apologies..Im BAD for copying all his letters to me handwritten and sent them out to those that might be interested... Its a longer story and I expect you know have turned it to so called Fiction...and I love to write about people i know.. tell the truth and let them sue right? love Jo

Hi Josi No check was carried out on the occupants of any household in any census the task would be enormous and take far to long Apart from that the electoral roll would only contain certain members of society who were eligible to vote The only likelihood of a false statement being found out is if the enumerator knew them personally or they named themselves something obviously false If they were found to have made a false statement they would be liable to a fine If you have a household in the right address and the details nearly match I would say there is a good chance they were yours, people were very distrusting of authority and suspected they had other motives for carrying out the census than a head count Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > was any check made re the census to check who is whom? > is it possible that you could enter > "The red baron "and follow with a full crew as family? > do they use for reference the electorol roll > > my lot...you knew I was coming to that.................. > > With 5 out of 6 people complete with ginger hair and freckles > no one would doubt that their name aint Doyle. Right? > > My thirteen certs for this address but not that name > the Christian names are right > the ages are correct > and the house number and the residents lived there from > 1901 to 1963 every one of the residents were all related to me > but my name has never been Doyle. > > and believe me it is not Ancestry's fault > The head of family was discharged from two stints in the Army and I > have both lots of records..squeaky clean. > I have no idea why > > Josi

was any check made re the census to check who is whom? is it possible that you could enter "The red baron "and follow with a full crew as family? do they use for reference the electorol roll my lot...you knew I was coming to that.................. With 5 out of 6 people complete with ginger hair and freckles no one would doubt that their name aint Doyle. Right? My thirteen certs for this address but not that name the Christian names are right the ages are correct and the house number and the residents lived there from 1901 to 1963 every one of the residents were all related to me but my name has never been Doyle. and believe me it is not Ancestry's fault The head of family was discharged from two stints in the Army and I have both lots of records..squeaky clean. I have no idea why Josi

Try these: 2 Gt. Gd. Father Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: Aston, , Worcester, England "2 Gt. Gd. Father Smith Pedigree Male Event(s): Birth: Aston, , Worcester, England Christening: Death: Burial: Messages: Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church." Mrs A Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1553 London, London, England A Son Smythe - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1558 Of, Keighley, Yorkshire, England a child <Smith> - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 03 JUN 1604 East Ilsley, Berkshire, England Mr a son Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 1731 Upton, , Somerset, England Mr. A. Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1788 etc etc etc.... Anne South Australia Michael Clifton wrote: > And, besides which, having looked at hundreds of LDS entries over the past couple of years under numerous > name searches, I haven't seen *any* worded in that manner. :) While the LDS records aren't entirely > reliable, they also aren't entirely silly. > > > Michael C >

Hello Peter, Thank you for your reply.  As you say, a link cannot be established at present.  However, I will keep your email on file just in case.  Whittington is less common than Brown and it may be easier to establish links. Some potential links, blocked by brick walls, can be intriguing.  For example,  Rebecca married William Joliffe Cooke.  On my paternal side, the second name given to children was often the surname of an ancestor.  As yet, I cannot establish a link with the Joliffes - a well to do family of landowners from Merstham just North of Reigate.  This family suffered a number of tragedies with early deaths by accidents etc all recorded on memorials in St Katherine's Church, Merstham. Incidentally,  the term "Brick Wall" has extra significance for me.  About 4 generations of my paternal ancestors were brickmakers! With best wishes  Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. ________________________________ From: Peter <dance_123@bigpond.com> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 28 October, 2009 8:30:16 Subject: Re: [SRY] Whittington Family Hello Richard,               My Whittingtons appear to be a one off mob, my earliest proven sighting is in the 1850's, in the Bristol area, George Whittington the Hatter married at Bristol in 1856, first two children born in London, then in Bristol , Western Super Mare, and finally to Middlesex total issue twelve.I have what I like to think is George the Hatter and his sister Eliza on the 1841 census at Lower Langford near Burrington, Somerset, but no parents listed, George's marriage certificate has his father as John Whittington (Hatter) He must be a phantom as I cannot find him. Eliza's marriage certificate says father's name is Henry, but on the passenger list of the ship she came to Australia it states her parents as George and Sarah Baptists deceased, all very confusing. Their father whatever his name was may have had siblings ,( another brick wall I have been banging my head on for years,)if he did then maybe there are cousins out there who may have  connections to your Rebecca. I see you are from Bromley, one of my ancestors on my mothers side was buried at Bromley in the 1700's, she was Mary Palmer (nee Barry) wife of Edward Palmer Vicar of Ringmer and Chalvington in Sussex.                                   Respectfully                                       Peter Whittington       -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard M Brown Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:13 PM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Whittington Family The Whittington messages intrigue me.  I have an WHITTINGTON ancestor.  I wonder if there are any connections - just asking.  <G> Her details follow. Name: Rebecca WHITTINGTON Sex: Female Father: Mr WHITTINGTON ( - ) Mother:  Individual Facts Birth 1825 Dorking, Surrey Occupation 1911 (age 86) Living by private means; Ruthoen, Reigate Death 18 Oct 1911 (age 86) Ruthven, Doods Park Road, Reigate, Surrey Probate 20 Feb 1912 London Ref #  A1817 Marriages/Children 1. William Joliffe COOKE         Marriage 1847 (age 22) St Lukes, Middlesex             Children Rebecca COOKE (1849 - 9 May 1938)                          William J COOKE (1850 - ) 2. Daniel GEALE         Marriage 1884 (age 59) St Olave, Southwark Notes (Individual) 1911 Census: The head of household is my great aunt, Rebecca Brown, widow, aged 62.  Rebecca Whitttington was listed as born in Croydon.  This does not fully accord with data collected for Rebecca, nee Whittington.  However, the problem may have been caused by a poor memory diguised by pride!  Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. ________________________________ From: Peter <dance_123@bigpond.com> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 7:52:24 Subject: Re: [SRY] Whittington Family My reason for chasing living relatives in U.K.is to see if they can help me find any information on the birth or baptism of George Whittington (Hatter) as ten years of searching by myself has so far been fruitless. Thank you for your interest.                                           Respectfully                                                 Peter Whittington Hi Peter The Richard you mention the certs for was baptised 7th Sept 1906 at St John the Evangelist Walworth Born Nov 23rd 1906 the son of Henry and Edith WHITTINGTON of 35 Morcombe Street , Henry a fishmonger That is the only child I can find baptised for this couple It does sound as if the Richard Victor you seek is a different child to the one you have the certs and now baptism for, why would they Baptise, Register the birth & death as just Richard then send a post card as Richard Victor? ... :=X snip   ............... Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello to All, > >                    I have a postcard photograph of a child marked RICHARD VICTOR WHITTINGTON 5 months old, the postmark date is 22 may 1907, and is addressed to 42 Hill Rise Richmond. ...:=X snip ... -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:06 PM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Whittington Family Hello Nivard,               .... :=X  snip ....       *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. 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Just seen that TNA has re-vamped its Births Marriages and Deaths access page.  It opens with a link for ordering post 1837 certificates and then there is a link to brief guides that include many useful starting points such as military records, apprenticeships, occupations etc which should be of help to us all, as well as a starting point for many of the queries received on this list. The non conformist records are linked to BMD in England and Wales Hilary

Hello Richard, My Whittingtons appear to be a one off mob, my earliest proven sighting is in the 1850's, in the Bristol area, George Whittington the Hatter married at Bristol in 1856, first two children born in London, then in Bristol , Western Super Mare, and finally to Middlesex total issue twelve.I have what I like to think is George the Hatter and his sister Eliza on the 1841 census at Lower Langford near Burrington, Somerset, but no parents listed, George's marriage certificate has his father as John Whittington (Hatter) He must be a phantom as I cannot find him. Eliza's marriage certificate says father's name is Henry, but on the passenger list of the ship she came to Australia it states her parents as George and Sarah Baptists deceased, all very confusing. Their father whatever his name was may have had siblings ,( another brick wall I have been banging my head on for years,)if he did then maybe there are cousins out there who may have connections to your Rebecca. I see you are from Bromley, one of my ancestors on my mothers side was buried at Bromley in the 1700's, she was Mary Palmer (nee Barry) wife of Edward Palmer Vicar of Ringmer and Chalvington in Sussex. Respectfully Peter Whittington -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard M Brown Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:13 PM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Whittington Family The Whittington messages intrigue me.  I have an WHITTINGTON ancestor.  I wonder if there are any connections - just asking.  <G> Her details follow. Name: Rebecca WHITTINGTON Sex: Female Father: Mr WHITTINGTON ( - ) Mother:  Individual Facts Birth 1825 Dorking, Surrey Occupation 1911 (age 86) Living by private means; Ruthoen, Reigate Death 18 Oct 1911 (age 86) Ruthven, Doods Park Road, Reigate, Surrey Probate 20 Feb 1912 London Ref #  A1817 Marriages/Children 1. William Joliffe COOKE         Marriage 1847 (age 22) St Lukes, Middlesex             Children Rebecca COOKE (1849 - 9 May 1938)                          William J COOKE (1850 - ) 2. Daniel GEALE         Marriage 1884 (age 59) St Olave, Southwark Notes (Individual) 1911 Census: The head of household is my great aunt, Rebecca Brown, widow, aged 62.  Rebecca Whitttington was listed as born in Croydon.  This does not fully accord with data collected for Rebecca, nee Whittington.  However, the problem may have been caused by a poor memory diguised by pride!  Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. ________________________________ From: Peter <dance_123@bigpond.com> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 7:52:24 Subject: Re: [SRY] Whittington Family My reason for chasing living relatives in U.K.is to see if they can help me find any information on the birth or baptism of George Whittington (Hatter) as ten years of searching by myself has so far been fruitless. Thank you for your interest.                                           Respectfully                                                 Peter Whittington Hi Peter The Richard you mention the certs for was baptised 7th Sept 1906 at St John the Evangelist Walworth Born Nov 23rd 1906 the son of Henry and Edith WHITTINGTON of 35 Morcombe Street , Henry a fishmonger That is the only child I can find baptised for this couple It does sound as if the Richard Victor you seek is a different child to the one you have the certs and now baptism for, why would they Baptise, Register the birth & death as just Richard then send a post card as Richard Victor? ... :=X snip   ............... Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello to All, > >                    I have a postcard photograph of a child marked RICHARD VICTOR WHITTINGTON 5 months old, the postmark date is 22 may 1907, and is addressed to 42 Hill Rise Richmond. ...:=X snip ... -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:06 PM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Whittington Family Hello Nivard,               .... :=X  snip .... *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.34/2463 - Release Date: 10/27/09 15:50:00

If only..... ;) Anne South Australia Richard M Brown wrote: > Hi Listers, > > I am just throwing an idea into the pot. > > In general, all of us who subscribe to these lists are great at helping one another concerning various matters. We have, in effect, developed a virtual community. Personally, I value everyone's opinions greatly, and they are much appreciated > > Have any of the group members ever met in person at a gathering? I am thinking, such as at Family History Fairs in a stand or a lounge set up by the Roots hosts Ancestry or others? Certainly, I know some of the contributors through the Lincs FHS and E Surrey FHS, but not all of us are members of a Family History Society. > > It's just a thought. I am one of those who likes to put a face to a name. Also, gatherings, such as I suggest, are an excellent forum for exchanging ideas etc which we may not have necessarily been put forward , or put forward in the wrong way, on the forum. > > Hopefully our list administrators will take note of any feedback, and take the idea forward to the Roots Lists hosts. I think this could be a Win Win case with more interest being generated in FH Fairs (It is about 4 years since I last went to one) and FH Societies. > Richard Brown > Bromley, Kent > U.K. > >

Looking for descendants of Lillian Daphne and Richard Durham, in particular Stephanie Josephine Durham, who may now have changed her maiden name. She could have siblings, possibly a John or Sean. My direct connection is with Daphne's father, John D W Roberts, known as Jack. Any information on this family much appreciated.Last heard of living in Camberley. _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/

Hi List I am trying to find a Baptism for John Gray Jolly born about 1807 -- All the info i have is that he was married to Mary Ann Brown 1833, Buried 1835 aged 28. and one of his son's buried 1834 All at St. John The Evangelist, Lambeth, Abode Lower Marsh, All 5 of his children were Baptised at St. Leonard's, Shoreditch It has taken me 10 years to find his Marrage I am wadeing through the St Mary's, Lambeth Baptism's at present at Ancestry.com Any Help would be much appreciated Regards Ray Jolly

Thanks, Andy. From what I've found I guess my relative must have visited Hamburg or Berlin to be photographed by Emilie Bieber. I just thought others might know that she had a studio in Surrey. Thanks so much for your help, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hedgcock" <andy701@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] E BIEBER, Photographer > Hi Jan > If you google "e bieber" there are quite a few hits but you can reduce that > by googling "e bieber" +photography and then also photographer. > > Then google "german photographers" - which I haven't yet done. Sometimes you > need to take a step back and look at things more generally. > > You can find most things when googling. Firstly type in what you know, and > then tweak your search terms. This is a good link to how to make the most of > googling; > http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=134479 > > HTH > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:46 AM > Subject: [SRY] E BIEBER, Photographer > > >>I have a photograph of a young man whom I believe lived between about 1850 >>and 1869. His parents were married in Lambeth in 1845 (William LAWRENCE and >>Eleanor HASKEW). Young William died in Valparaiso Chile but is said to have >>attended school in England for six years. In the photo William is wearing >>what could be a college blazer and it was taken by E BIEBER. >> Can anyone provide information about this photographer please? >> >> Jan >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

And, besides which, having looked at hundreds of LDS entries over the past couple of years under numerous name searches, I haven't seen *any* worded in that manner. :) While the LDS records aren't entirely reliable, they also aren't entirely silly. Michael C

Richard I recall that such arrangements have been tried here and there over the years. They will not be organised by Rootsweb so it is up to individuals to take the initiative. Whether or not past arrangements have ever been successful I don't know, however one imagines they can't have been a greatly popular as they seem not to have been continued. Having said that, there is no reason why Listers can't make their own arrangements either individually or collectively. At every fair there tends to be a cafeteria or rest area and organisers will normally advise whether there are other suitable areas. For example at Woking on Saturday there is a gallery with tables and seating where one can sit and have a sandwich and chat (not part of the restaurant). At Olympia the "Who Do You Think You Are? Live" event offers ample space on the gallery for unofficial "meeting and chatting". Whilst you can't officially take over floor space without agreement of organisers, unofficial meetings in public areas should be fine. Anyone seriously wishing to organise an official meeting point would need to make arrangements with each event organiser well in advance, and this may or may not be possible depending of availability of floor space. It has to be said that many of us "work" at the Fairs and Open Days and so we are generally not free to meet and chat for a length of time. Nevertheless I personally have met a large number of Listers over the years when they come by our FHS stand, and then sometimes we meet up elsewhere too. For example if you will be at the WSFHS Open Day on this coming Saturday, please drop by the WSFHS stand and say "hello". I'm sure there will be others of us on other stands who will be similarly very pleased to meet everyone. Ann List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard M Brown" <brownrichardm@yahoo.co.uk> Hi Listers, I am just throwing an idea into the pot. In general, all of us who subscribe to these lists are great at helping one another concerning various matters. We have, in effect, developed a virtual community. Personally, I value everyone's opinions greatly, and they are much appreciated Have any of the group members ever met in person at a gathering? I am thinking, such as at Family History Fairs in a stand or a lounge set up by the Roots hosts Ancestry or others? Certainly, I know some of the contributors through the Lincs FHS and E Surrey FHS, but not all of us are members of a Family History Society. It's just a thought. I am one of those who likes to put a face to a name. Also, gatherings, such as I suggest, are an excellent forum for exchanging ideas etc which we may not have necessarily been put forward , or put forward in the wrong way, on the forum. Hopefully our list administrators will take note of any feedback, and take the idea forward to the Roots Lists hosts. I think this could be a Win Win case with more interest being generated in FH Fairs (It is about 4 years since I last went to one) and FH Societies. Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K.