Judy   Thanks for your email. I will check out the poor law records for Lambeth on ancesty.   Regards   Carole --- On Mon, 2/11/09, Judy Lester <jlester@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Judy Lester <jlester@btinternet.com> Subject: RE: [SRY] William Frederick ETHERTON born 1898 Lambeth To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com, "'Carole Moon'" <carolefhs@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Monday, 2 November, 2009, 11:00 Carole, The boys were probably "boarded out" in Hampshire by whichever Poor Law Union was responsible for their upkeep. This type of fostering by families in the country was standard practice in the early 1900s, and was a good source of income for families who were willing to do it. A bit of googling will probably produce some information. If the ETHERTON family was chargeable to Lambeth, you might find something in the Lambeth Board of Guardians' records, held at the London Metropolitan Archives. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Moon I have found my Great Uncle William Frederick ETHERTON born 1898 Lambeth on the 1911 census living in London Road Hook Hampshire as a boarder not with his parents Edward & Emily ETHERTON & siblings who were living at 7 Gye Street Buildings Lambeth.   There were 4 other boys from London boarded with this family in Hampshire ...

Hello Richard   Thanks for your reply.   My ETHERTON family were poor. William's father Edward was a iron bedstead maker and according to my Aunt worked for Myers Beds in Lambeth.   I wondered whether the boys had been sent to a charity school in Hampshire?   Regards   Carole    --- On Mon, 2/11/09, Richard M Brown <brownrichardm@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Richard M Brown <brownrichardm@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SRY] William Frederick ETHERTON born 1898 Lambeth To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 2 November, 2009, 6:45 Carole, My first thought is a private school, although the head of household's occupation doesn't accord with this idea.  It may be worth reseraching the LEAVER family a little further for clues.  However, was your ancestral family well off?  Lambeth was, and is, a poor borough but despite this, wealthy families did live in the borough. You say all family members were alive in 1911, so this dispenses with the practice of rehousing orphans.  I had orphaned ancestors from one family who were rehoused in Surrey and Lincolnshire. With best wishes Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K.

Can some kind person assist me with locating a death date or death registration for Louisa THORPE (nee CAREY) born 1858 in Horne, Surrey. In the 1901 census, she was living at Laurel Cottage, Coulsdon, Surrey. I do not know if Louisa predeceased her husband or not. Louisa was married to James William THORPE (aka as William James) b. 1850 in Fletching, Sussex and d. 1916 at Burnham Villas, 6 Victoria Street, Coulsdon, Surrey Unfortunately I do not have access to the 1911 census to check to see if she is still living - her husband was. Any assistance would be really appreciated. Louisa Thorpe was my great grandmother. Desley Brisbane, Australia

ROBERTS Edward E Am trying to find the parents and family of Edward E Roberts born circa 1837. The 1881 census entry for him: Dwelling: 109 Gloucester Rd Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Marr Age Sex Birthplace Edward A. ROBERTS M 44 M Kennington, Surrey, England Rel: Head Occ: Clerk Civil Service Mary J. ROBERTS M 33 F Ireland Rel: Wife Elizabeth A. SHORTLAND U 22 F Plymouth, Devon, England Rel: Sister In Law I would appreciate any information of Edward or his family. _________________________________________________________________ Need a place to rent, buy or share? Let us find your next place for you! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/

Good evening, Looking for James Jackson Smith leaving Liverpool bound for Australia in either 1857 or 1858. JJ was my great grandfather and i have had difficulty finding his Birth certificate because I don't know his parentage - Smith is very very common . I suspect he was 18. Glenys Kempshall New Zealand

Hallo Tim You can search yourself using   www.freebmd.org.uk and putting in 1891 as the start date.  Having said that I could not find an obvious candidate which makes me wonder if his registration was missed somewhere between registration and the compiltion of the national register.   If you seach for Genuki + Camberwell you should be able to find the address of the registration office, which will be in the LB of Southwark.   I'd guess that by 1891 the most likely place for his burial would be  a cemetery rather than a churchyard.   Camberwell New Cemetery has records for Camberwell Old Cemetery and Nunhead cemetery so you could Google for them or find them on the Genuki page.   The family looked comfortably off in 1891 so one assumes they could afford to pay for his funeral.  My only other thought is that if he entered a workhouse he might be sent to a Lambeth workhouse, because he was born there, and they may have had a contract with another cemetery.   Good hunting Hilary       Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:23:12 -0500 From: "Tim McGinnis" <tmcginnis@bmts.com> Subject: [SRY] Death: Holland, Joseph Richard To: <Eng-Surrey@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DC174B60456A4F8EB824A8D45F8966EA@LAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="Windows-1252" I would appreciate some help in finding the Death Record for my maternal gr.gr.grandfather, Joseph Richard Holland. Joseph was born in Dec 1808 in Lambeth, Surrey and he was the widower of Sarah Prudence Twopenny (sp). The last record of him I have found is the 1891 Census of Camberwell, Surrey, when he is living with his married granddaughter Kate Greenfield and family. Kate's husband is William Greenfield. There are several Joseph Holland in the death index and a few Joseph Richard Holland. I've ordered several of the most likely and none reference his deceased spouse or a known relative. It has become to expensive to keep making guesses! Does anyone have easy access to the death registrations that they might be able to do a lookup for me. I would have to guess that he died in Surrey as his granddaughter stayed in Camberwell until at least 1911. Joseph was a retired carriage decorator and saddler. His father was John and mother probably Ann Harris, but this is not proven conclusively. Thank you Tim  

I have found my Great Uncle William Frederick ETHERTON born 1898 Lambeth on the 1911 census living in London Road Hook Hampshire as a boarder not with his parents Edward & Emily ETHERTON & siblings who were living at 7 Gye Street Buildings Lambeth.   There were 4 other boys from London boarded with this family in Hampshire details as follows.   Alfred John LEAVER head married age 47 born c1864 Market Gardener born Broadchalk Wiltshire   Emma Jane LEAVER wife married age 45 born c1866 born Holbeton Devon   Alfred Astidge LEAVER son single age 19 born c1892 apprentice engineering born Winchfield Hampshire   Ernest Albert NEWSON boarder age 12 born c1899 fishmongers errand boy born London   William Fredrick ETHERTON boarder age 12 born c1899 school born London   Joseph Henry FROST boarder age 12 born c1899 school born London   Joseph John WESTLAKE boarder age 9 born c1902 school born London   Albert CESSARI boarder age 8 born c1903 school born London   I have done a few checks on the other children and all appear to have family alive on the 1911 census and living in London. NEWSON fmily in Camberwell, WESTLAKE family in St Marylebone, CESSARI family in Kensington.    Does anyone have any ideas why these boys would have been boarders with this family in Hampshire?   If it is the case that they had been sent to an industrial wouldn't they have been living at the school?   Regards   Carole Moon                    Does any one have any ideas why the children were boarded with this family      

Hello, Thought I would be able to solve this one with the 1911 census but am out of luck. This family seems to disappear and I cannot find any of them on the 1911 census, death index or positively on a passenger list. My 3gt Uncle - John MATTHEWS b. 21 Mar 1853 in Rotherhithe, last known sighting 1901 in Brixton. Regretfully his name makes his death a little difficult to find. He owned his own cartage business, and at one time some lighter barges on the Thames, inherited from his father. His wife, Louisa Mary WALSH, was born 1852 in Norfolk, there is no matching BMD index record for her death between 1901 and 1911. Plot thickens as I cannot find out what became of any of their children that survive to adulthood. Daughter - Louise Emma Elizabeth, b. 1 Oct 1873, marries Robert WHITTAKER in Newington, 24 Jul 1897, he is down as a M.M. Chief Officer at Newhaven, Sussex. I cannot find these two in the 1901 or 1911 census returns or a death for Louise. Any ideas on what an M.M. Chief Officer please? Son - Charles Walsh MATTHEWS b. 1876, Bermondsey, marries Ena Dorriss MILHOUSE in 1898, they appear on the 1901 census at Southwark, but again they are missing off the 1911 census. She was born @ 1876 in Western Australia. Son - Arthur James MATTHEWS b. 1875, Bermondsey, cannot find on the 1901 or 1911 census or a matching death. Son - John MATTHEWS b. 1881, Rotherhithe, not found on the 1901 census, a little impossible to search for his death. Now my guess is some or all went to Australia....but they could have ended up anywhere. Ideas or sightings would be appreciated. Best Wishes, Dorri _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/

Pam, Chris & co, Selhurst Road is in Croydon.  Also, Selhurst Park a football ground is in the Selhurst Area of Croydon.  Richard Brown Bromley Kent U.K. ________________________________ From: Chris Willis <chris.willis@Web-Hq.com> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 1 November, 2009 14:40:43 Subject: Re: [SRY] CEMETERY HELP NORWOOD......please - William JamesHillier(1871) Hi Pam Neither the West Surrey FHS index to the Godfrey Maps of London, nor Streets and Places within the Admin County of London refer to Selhurst Rd. Exploration in the additional index to the Surrey Godfrey Maps reveals both Selhurst Rd (sheets 1402 and 1406) and Holy Innocents(1402). This suggests Croydon rather than Lambeth. This is confirmed by a street map of Croydon which shows Selhurst Rd, well within the Croydon boundary.  :=>< X

Hi Anne yes I have had ancestry access for a number of years now and have been looking for his death for about 10 years or more..... from all the online sites.... 1955........and after. Therein lies the problem. That and the amount of deriviatives of the surname.....Being in Oz like you......we rely on being able to order the certs from online access.....and no joy. So I was hoping to find the most likely Cemetery to where they lived and email them directly. I'ts just another small brickwall, using a toothbrush and a prayer. Grin !!! With all the chitchat about cemeteries, I was hoping someone local would know where he would have been buried around 1955 onwards. Thanks anyway hon Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi Pam, > Do you have access to the GRO indexes on Ancestry ? If you can find his > death registration (Norwood seems to > have been in Ealing Registration District from 1947), that will give you a > year to work on. If you then get > the certificate, that will give the place of death. > > Anne > South Australia > > Pam Hillier wrote: >> >> >> Hi all, >> Thought I would post this again >> There's been some chatter about cemetery's of late and thought I would >> ask. >> My grandfather lived at 204 Selhurst Road,Norwood and my parents were >> married just >> down the road at the Holy Innocents Church in 1941. I imagine that the >> West >> Norwood Cemetery would be the likely place for his burial sometime >> after >> 1941 (family lore states after 1955) , but I have never >> been able to find his death in years of looking. The Hillier name being >> common and the deriviatives are mind boggling..... >> Can someone tell me whether or not West Norwood Cemetery is the likely >> last >> repose for my Grandad? Or is their another......I believe (if my >> brother is >> right) that he died when I was a toddler, so around 1956,7,8. >> It seems on google maps that it's only 3.2 miles away from their last >> know >> address so seems likely. >> many thanks in advance >> Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Public Advertiser ( London, England ), Thursday, January 31, 1771; Issue 11293. DIED Yesterday Morning died at Woolwich, Mr. John PALLADINE, for many Years Fencing-Master to the Royal Academy at that Place: He was reckoned to be one of the most skilful Men of his Profession in Europe, and has left a Wife and three Children.

Hi Pam, Do you have access to the GRO indexes on Ancestry ? If you can find his death registration (Norwood seems to have been in Ealing Registration District from 1947), that will give you a year to work on. If you then get the certificate, that will give the place of death. Anne South Australia Pam Hillier wrote: > > > Hi all, > Thought I would post this again > There's been some chatter about cemetery's of late and thought I would ask. > My grandfather lived at 204 Selhurst Road,Norwood and my parents were > married just > down the road at the Holy Innocents Church in 1941. I imagine that the West > Norwood Cemetery would be the likely place for his burial sometime after > 1941 (family lore states after 1955) , but I have never > been able to find his death in years of looking. The Hillier name being > common and the deriviatives are mind boggling..... > Can someone tell me whether or not West Norwood Cemetery is the likely last > repose for my Grandad? Or is their another......I believe (if my brother is > right) that he died when I was a toddler, so around 1956,7,8. > It seems on google maps that it's only 3.2 miles away from their last know > address so seems likely. > many thanks in advance > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia

Hi all, Thought I would post this again There's been some chatter about cemetery's of late and thought I would ask. My grandfather lived at 204 Selhurst Road,Norwood and my parents were married just down the road at the Holy Innocents Church in 1941. I imagine that the West Norwood Cemetery would be the likely place for his burial sometime after 1941 (family lore states after 1955) , but I have never been able to find his death in years of looking. The Hillier name being common and the deriviatives are mind boggling..... Can someone tell me whether or not West Norwood Cemetery is the likely last repose for my Grandad? Or is their another......I believe (if my brother is right) that he died when I was a toddler, so around 1956,7,8. It seems on google maps that it's only 3.2 miles away from their last know address so seems likely. many thanks in advance Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia

I take it this was not the Highwayman immortalized by Alfred Noyes who came Riiding, Riding, Riding? MickG MICHAELCOOMBER@aol.com wrote: > >From Whitehall Evening Post or London Intelligencer, Saturday, June 27, > 1761; Issue 2385. > > On Sunday Night John BLUNDELL, the Highwayman, who was condemned at last > Kingston Assize, and refused to accept of his Majesty's Pardon, on Condition > of serving as a Soldier, was detected in endeavouring to make his Escape > out of the New Gaol. He is now chained to the Floor in the condemned Room. > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hilary, I must - just have to! - thank you for that site for with it - or through it - have discovered the Festival of Britain site which is terrific indeed for me bringing back great memories just before leaving home for national service... I also remember what the area was like before South Bank was created: to cross Hungerford Bridge was to pass through a really messy broken down area so the government of the day did a wonderful job. Thanks again (and apologies for butting in like this but quite spontaneous and sincere I assure you). Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "HILARY BLANFORD" <hilaryblanford@btinternet.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: [SRY] Houldsworth Cynthia Have you looked at this website? It has links to the Wandsworth cemeteries. Visitors may search the registers free of charge, but they also offer a fee-based search. http://www.randomwalk.me.uk/Battersea/ Hilary >

>From Whitehall Evening Post or London Intelligencer, Saturday, June 27, 1761; Issue 2385. On Sunday Night John BLUNDELL, the Highwayman, who was condemned at last Kingston Assize, and refused to accept of his Majesty's Pardon, on Condition of serving as a Soldier, was detected in endeavouring to make his Escape out of the New Gaol. He is now chained to the Floor in the condemned Room.

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Hi Desley, It is possible to access the 1911 census online at the following website - www.1911census.co.uk If you have James William Thorpe's death certificate it should state if he was a widower or not. Both these sources should help you narrow down some years to search for Louisa's death. Best wishes, Sue > Can some kind person assist me with locating a death date or death > registration for Louisa THORPE (nee CAREY) born 1858 in Horne, Surrey. > > > > In the 1901 census, she was living at Laurel Cottage, Coulsdon, Surrey. I > do not know if Louisa predeceased her husband or not. > > > > Louisa was married to James William THORPE (aka as William James) b. 1850 in > Fletching, Sussex and d. 1916 at Burnham Villas, 6 Victoria Street, > Coulsdon, Surrey > > > > Unfortunately I do not have access to the 1911 census to check to see if she > is still living - her husband was. > > > > Any assistance would be really appreciated. Louisa Thorpe was my great > grandmother. > > > > Desley > > Brisbane, Australia > > > > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/

I have replied to Desley off list and sent her a transcription from the 1911 census Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desley Revell" <desley@mycelebrant.com> To: "Surrey Digest" <Eng-Surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:05 PM Subject: [SRY] Louisa THORPE (nee CAREY) - Death Date/Registration > Can some kind person assist me with locating a death date or death > registration for Louisa THORPE (nee CAREY) born 1858 in Horne, Surrey. > > > > In the 1901 census, she was living at Laurel Cottage, Coulsdon, Surrey. I > do not know if Louisa predeceased her husband or not. > > > > Louisa was married to James William THORPE (aka as William James) b. 1850 > in > Fletching, Sussex and d. 1916 at Burnham Villas, 6 Victoria Street, > Coulsdon, Surrey > > > > Unfortunately I do not have access to the 1911 census to check to see if > she > is still living - her husband was. > > > > Any assistance would be really appreciated. Louisa Thorpe was my great > grandmother. > > > > Desley > > Brisbane, Australia > > > > > > >

Hi Pam you may have to extend your search further as my neighbour when I lived in Croydon had his wife buried in Bandon Hill Cemetery which comes under Sutton Council. In Croydon we have Croydon Crematorium & Cemetery which is also divided into 2 parts namely Mitcham Road Cemetery ( Old Cemetery )opened around 1895 where my son is buried, and Thornton Road Cemetery ( New Cemetery )which is the new cemetery with a crematorium. We also have Queens Road Cemetery opened 1861, and we also have Greenlawn Memorial Park, Chelsham Road, Warlingham, Surrey, CR6 9EQ opened 1947. You can contact them via email at mailto:bereavement@croydon.gov.uk. They can be very helpful there but they are destroying old graves which they consider neglected so you may have problems locating any grave but they will have records that will tell you where your grave is if they were buried there. I have the same problem as neither Croydon nor Sutton nor Streatham seems to have my Grandfather and he died about a mile from the cemetery gates. I hope this helps. Colin Parker