The National Archive is the archive for government information and is arranged by main government departments. The catalogue is arranged in a hierarchical scheme. TNA site has a lot of assistance and explanations available from its Home Page. See 'Research Guides'. Their pages include links into short videos that explain what the archives contain, how stuff is organised and how to use the catalogue. There are also a number of excellent ipod downloads that expand on various sections of the archive. Finally there is a Help link at the bottom of the home page Google for '"Brompton Row" and London' gives many hits, including http://archivemaps.com/mapco/darton1814/darton17.htm Compare this with http://www.urbanpath.com/london/department-stores/harrods/map.htm Have you looked at the overseas and marine death records on Findmypast? Hilary Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:52:28 +1100 > From: "Barbara Hunt" <bjhunt@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Henry Gannell > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000901ca5e6a$ad1c5560$07550020$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain;    > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Hilary, > Could you explain the TNA site please? >SNIP > There is a "twist" to this family....from another website I > have found that > the first child of Henry and Mary Gannell was adopted by > Sarah Thompson (who > became Countess Rumford, an American- At the time of their > marriage Mary was > a servant to Sarah Thompson and they were living at 43 > Brompton Row, > Kensington? (London?). > However, I have found the marriage for Mary and Henry in > the Surrey Marriage > Register where they were married by Licence. > I have wondered if Henry and Mary changed their names to > Thompson because of > their connection to Sarah Thompson. In the will they are > both referred to by > both names, and seemingly, using one name for England and > one name for > Jamaica. > According to dates in the will he died between Nov 1848 and > February 1851. > His death as Henry Gannell doesn't appear in the Free BDM > index. Mary died > in 1872 in Chelsea. > Thank you for your interest, > Barbara > Melbourne SNIP > >

Nigel, The Mount exists.  One of my nephews lived there.  Your should therefore find it via Goole Maps  Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. ________________________________ From: Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> To: nigel.callaghan@ntlworld.com; eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 6 November, 2009 7:38:21 Subject: Re: [SRY] BARNES Family An address search for 'The Mount' or 'Mount' gets no results.  There are 3 pages of BARNES in Guildford - what names are you looking for ? Anne South Australia Nigel Callaghan wrote: > Might I ask if someone with access to the 1911 census would be kind enough > to look up the BARNES family of 14 The Mount, Guildford.  Were any of the > Barnes family still living at that address then? > > > > Best regards from > > > > Nigel > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What's the point in having yet another online index (FreeBMD & Ancestry are there already)  if the actual registers aren't going to be available online ? hi Anne, It'll be their own index, hopefully more accurate, and presumably you'll be able to order direct form it like happens with many local Council online BMD indexes. I'm looking forward to it happening :-) le durachd Fionnghal

I have checked the Index mentioned and the name George Stephen Holland does not appear. As mentioned before these memorials were often raised by private subscription and it was up to the relatives to ask for the name to be added. Lambeth at this time was Metropolitan Surrey (outer London). Whereas this index is for rural Surrey. Perhaps Lambeth Local Studies Library may be able to give more guidance to you. Minet Library, 52 Knatchbull Road, SE5 9QY Tel: 020 7926 6076 Email: archives@lambeth.gov.uk West Surrey FHS has published MS28 "Surrey War Memorials Index" which contains more than 35,000 names of those who died in the two World Wars and commemorated on war memorials, rolls of honour and war graves in Surrey. If I had a copy of MS28 I would check for this single entry for you but regrettably I don't. Maybe someone else will be able to do the lookup for you as it's just the one name you're after. I looked at all the WW1 memorials for a mention of my uncle, Pte. George Stephen Holland DCM who was born in Lambeth and served in the 6th. Bn. Queens ( Royal West Surrey Regiment.) , whose parents , at the time of his death, lived in south Lambeth, but he is not listed on any of the Surrey WW1 memorials I looked at. although he is mentioned on the Commonwealth War Graves Commision (CWGC) , Debt of Honour,

>From Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper ( London, England ), Sunday, January 20, 1889; Issue 2409. RAID ON THE CHRISTMAS PUDDING. - George BRIGGS, 10, and Joseph JONES, 9, were charged at Southwark police-court, on Wednesday, with breaking and entering into the dwelling-house of John Thomas CLEAVER, 20, East-street, Bermondsey, and stealing three live linnets in cages and other articles, value 15 shillings, the property of the prosecutor. About five o'clock on the morning of the 9th inst. the prisoners were found by the prosecutor asleep in his kitchen. He missed his birds, which they said another boy had taken. It further appeared that they had rummaged the cupboards, and helped themselves to bread and cheese and Christmas pudding. Mr. ROBINSON, Industrial School officer, told the magistrate that the prisoners were both bad boys, and Mr. SLADE ordered them to be sent to an industrial school.

Dear Hilary, Could you explain the TNA site please? I have a copy of the will that you mention. I used this will as one of my "starting points";I subscribed to the Jamaica List hoping to find some clues, without success. There is a "twist" to this family....from another website I have found that the first child of Henry and Mary Gannell was adopted by Sarah Thompson (who became Countess Rumford, an American- At the time of their marriage Mary was a servant to Sarah Thompson and they were living at 43 Brompton Row, Kensington? (London?). However, I have found the marriage for Mary and Henry in the Surrey Marriage Register where they were married by Licence. I have wondered if Henry and Mary changed their names to Thompson because of their connection to Sarah Thompson. In the will they are both referred to by both names, and seemingly, using one name for England and one name for Jamaica. According to dates in the will he died between Nov 1848 and February 1851. His death as Henry Gannell doesn't appear in the Free BDM index. Mary died in 1872 in Chelsea. Thank you for your interest, Barbara Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of HILARY BLANFORD Sent: Friday, 6 November 2009 12:50 AM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: [SRY] Henry Gannell Hallo Barbara There is an intriguing entry on TNA site in the documents online - Wills proven before 1858 Description Will of Henry George Thompson otherwise Henry Gannell of Jamaica Date 25 February 1851 So perhaps this is your man and he was in Jamaica when the 1841 census was taken.  And if he is your man, perhaps he was buried as Henry George Thompson - death does not come up on FreeBMD so he might have died in Jamaica. Have you asked West Surrey fhs if their new burial index covers the dates and area in which you are interested - or perhaps they offer a look up service.  Have you found the baptisms for Henry's children to see what occupation was given for Henry?  This could be useful to distinguish between the various Henry's you have found. Mary Gannnell was born c 1807 so the suggested birth /baptism for Henry in 1805 seems reasonable. The images from the registers can be downloaded from TNA site Home > Births, deaths and marriages page> click on research guides at right hand side of page> BMD in England>then whatever it says about non conformist records.  Then search for Henry. There are 3 entries for a Henry Gannell, all 1805, probably all referring to the same child.  TNA explanatory notes about the different RGs are very helpful RG5 36 is for the parchment set of records from Dr Williams Library, certificates 1251  - 1500 Births RG4 461 is for Dr Williams Register of certificates 1 - 4429 dates 1805 - 1812 Births RG4 4279 is the register of baptisms from the Ebenezer Chapel 1804 - 1827 Unless anyone from the list can offer further confirmation on this I'd go for the first option because that looks as though it is the original registration document, complete with the witnesses' signatures and if you are lucky, the address and occupation of Henry's father. You can work out his parentage and the name of his maternal grandfather from the search results.  If you then enter William Gannell into the search page you will find Henry's siblings.  From their birth patterns it looks as though William might have remarried and had a second family, although it is possible that there were 2 Williams. Tracing the siblings might give you further information that fixes your Henry/William relationship eg you might find that one of Mary's neighbours in the 1841 census is a married sister of Henry son of William, or that one of Henry's children is staying with an aunt or uncle, or marries a cousin, or you find a the signature of one of them on a document somewhere. I have just found ISABELLA FRANCES GANNELL Christening:     21 DEC 1833      Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey, England Father:     HENRY GANNELL      Mother:     MARY ANN and Henry junior 20 NOV 1835   Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey, England But no sign of Edwin. And if the baptismal records show that Henry was a silversmith then an email to the Goldsmiths enquiring about his apprenticeship might provide you with the name of his father. If Henry is working for another silversmith he is very unlikely to have his own mark. Hilary Barbara Hunt wrote: > > > > I am new to this list. I am searching for the death/burial of HENRY GANNELL, > possibly in Croydon, > > Surrey between 1835-1841. > > > > In the 1841 Census, his wife Mary Gannell was living > with their three > > children, Edwin, Isabella and Henry in High Street > South, Croydon. > > > > Any information appreciated,   > > Thank you, > > Barbara > > Australia > > SNIP > I also have a marriage entry for Henry Gannell and Mary > Grove in Surrey in > 1825....I now need to find other information to help me > find their parents. > I have a death date and place for Mary. I can't find a > death/burial anywhere > for Henry. > > Barbara   > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:05:14 +1030 > From: Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Death/Burial of HENRY GANNELL > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4AF27222.4040104@bigpond.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > this is a possibility for Henry's baptism - it's a fairly > uncommon name > HENRY GANNELL      Pedigree >        Male >           >             > Event(s): >     Birth:      > 13 APR 1805       >     Christening:      > 18 JUL 1805       Ebenezer > Chapel Market Street Mayfair Independent, Westminster, > London, England >     Death: >     Burial: >             > Parents: >        Father:  >     WILLIAM GANNELL     > Family >        Mother:  >     MARTHA     >     > Messages: >     Extracted birth or christening record > for the locality listed in the record. The source records > are usually > arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. >             >     > Source Information: >     Batch No.:      > Dates:      Source Call No.:  >     Type:      Printout > Call No.:      Type: >     C097441 > > and there's a bit more information on Ancestry: > Source Citation: Place: St George Hanover Square, > Westminster, London, Eng; Collection: Dr. William's Library; > > Nonconformist Registers; Date Range:  1804 - 1831; > Film Number: 813812. > Name:      Henry Gannell > Gender:     Male > Birth Date:     13 Apr 1805 > Christening Place:     St George Hanover > Square, Westminster, London, Eng > Father's Name:     William Gannell > Mother's Name:     Martha > Maternal Grandfather's Name:     Thomas > Hasler > Maternal Grandmother's Name:     Elizabeth   > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:32:52 +1030 > From: Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> >  > > http://www.homeofourfathers.com/lisbeth/genealogytreasuryt.htm > says he was a silversmith - is this correct ?  If so, > the Silversmiths Guild might have information. > > > and there's a bit about him here > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bfhs/house.html > "E-mail from Joy Gannell  (JJ Family Tree) - > Information from Joy Gannell, stating that Henry Gannell's > father > was William; his son was born in 1805. Henry was the father > of our Edwin and Emma." > > I thought there might have been a death notice, so I > checked the Times and the 19th Century British Library > Newpapers databases - there's no reference to him but there > is  his son's marriage announcement. > > Anne   > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:27:32 +1100 > From: "Barbara Hunt" <bjhunt@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Death/Burial of HENRY GANNELL > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000301ca5e02$9cc4a900$d64dfb00$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain;    > charset="us-ascii" > > Anne, > I have come across all of this information-and have been > unable to confirm > it. I have found no reference to Henry being a silversmith > although I have > searched the Silversmiths Hallmarks (online) without > success. > I have found a few "Henry Gannell's" who could fit the > bill. > I need written proof of relationships....and there is no > evidence that > William Gannell was Henry's father. > Thank you for your interest, > Barbara > SNIP > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:38:38 -0000 > From: "michael" <michael@allbrook.com> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Death/Burial of HENRY GANNELL > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <3B34371007E2441EBB351BE50586CC36@allbrookpc1> > Content-Type: text/plain;    > charset="us-ascii" > > Have you checked the archives of the Goldsmiths Company > which is one of the > Twelve Great Livery Companies of the City of London. It has > been responsible > for hallmarking since 1300 and, today, operates Assay > Office London and > supports the craft and industry of silversmithing and > precious metal > jewellery. > http://www.thegoldsmiths.co.uk/home/ > > Michael Allbrook > > > > > *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, The Index to Death Duty registers is often helpful in this sort of case. The relevant entry reads: Testator: Gannell, Henry, otherwise Henry George Thompson Abode: Island of Jamaica Executor: Mary A Gannell, 83 Thornton Heath Surrey Court: PC Register: 1 Folio: 98? N.E. [= no entry, indicating that no duty was paid] The implication is that he died in Jamaica. The Death Duty Register itself can be seen at the National Archives (but they will no longer supply digital images online from this source). The entry should give his date of death, but as no duty was paid there will not be much information to add to what you will already know from the will. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hunt There is a "twist" to this family....from another website I have found that the first child of Henry and Mary Gannell was adopted by Sarah Thompson (who became Countess Rumford, an American- At the time of their marriage Mary was a servant to Sarah Thompson and they were living at 43 Brompton Row, Kensington? (London?). However, I have found the marriage for Mary and Henry in the Surrey Marriage Register where they were married by Licence. I have wondered if Henry and Mary changed their names to Thompson because of their connection to Sarah Thompson. In the will they are both referred to by both names, and seemingly, using one name for England and one name for Jamaica. According to dates in the will he died between Nov 1848 and February 1851. His death as Henry Gannell doesn't appear in the Free BDM index. Mary died in 1872 in Chelsea.

There is certainly a street in Guildford called The Mount. It is a small, old street at the end of the High Street and across the Bridge over the Wey. If I remember correctly it leads to the hill above Guildford where beacons are lit Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Chambers Sent: 06 November 2009 07:38 To: nigel.callaghan@ntlworld.com; eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] BARNES Family An address search for 'The Mount' or 'Mount' gets no results. There are 3 pages of BARNES in Guildford - what names are you looking for ? Anne South Australia Nigel Callaghan wrote: > Might I ask if someone with access to the 1911 census would be kind enough > to look up the BARNES family of 14 The Mount, Guildford. Were any of the > Barnes family still living at that address then? > Best regards from > Nigel

This news will doubtless be of interest to Surrey researchers. The General Register Office has just announced that the digitisation of GRO's births, marriages and deaths records is moving forward and a new project, called the Digitisation and Indexing (D&I) Project, has been initiated. The new project covers the digitisation of the records themselves together with indexing and upgrading the online certificate ordering process. The digitisation page on the IPS corporate website has been updated and further details including a Q & A can be accessed via http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/1090.htm Ann Surrey Admin

Might I ask if someone with access to the 1911 census would be kind enough to look up the BARNES family of 14 The Mount, Guildford. Were any of the Barnes family still living at that address then? Best regards from Nigel

Hi Barbara, The TNA to which you refer is The National Archives.  This links to the home page.  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/  There are a number of wills on line, and it is possible to download documents on line for a charge.  The charge is modest. The site is brilliant, well worth exploring.  I advise you read about how the catalogue is made up - how the reference numbers work etc.  I still find the referencing a trifle confusing, and I am sure I am not alone there.  Apart from that, there are excellent help brochures which can be downloaded for free. Sorry, I am not Hilary! :-)) With best wishes  Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. ________________________________ From: Barbara Hunt <bjhunt@ozemail.com.au> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 5 November, 2009 22:52:28 Subject: Re: [SRY] Henry Gannell Dear Hilary, Could you explain the TNA site please? I have a copy of the will that you mention. I used this will as one of my "starting points";I subscribed to the Jamaica List hoping to find some clues, without success. There is a "twist" to this family....from another website I have found that the first child of Henry and Mary Gannell was adopted by Sarah Thompson (who became Countess Rumford, an American- At the time of their marriage Mary was a servant to Sarah Thompson and they were living at 43 Brompton Row, Kensington? (London?). However, I have found the marriage for Mary and Henry in the Surrey Marriage Register where they were married by Licence. I have wondered if Henry and Mary changed their names to Thompson because of their connection to Sarah Thompson. In the will they are both referred to by both names, and seemingly, using one name for England and one name for Jamaica. According to dates in the will he died between Nov 1848 and February 1851. His death as Henry Gannell doesn't appear in the Free BDM index. Mary died in 1872 in Chelsea. Thank you for your interest, Barbara Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com Subject: [SRY] Henry Gannell Hallo Barbara There is an intriguing entry on TNA site in the documents online - Wills proven before 1858

When the DOVE digitisation project of the BMD index was originally started the GRO planned to include    1. Mother's Maiden Name on Births from 1837  - at present on indexes from Sep qtr 1911 2. Age at death on Deaths from 1837 - at present on indexes from Mar qtr 1866 3. both parties to Marriage on Marriages from 1837 - at present on indexes from Mar qtr 1912   Currently this information isn't available on the earlier indexes, therefore if it is included on the new indexes it will make searching for entries a lot easier.   Regard   Carole   --- On Fri, 6/11/09, Fionnghal <fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Fionnghal <fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SRY] GRO Digitisation Project To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 6 November, 2009, 10:44     What's the point in having yet another online index     (FreeBMD & Ancestry are there already)  if the actual      registers aren't going to be available online ? hi Anne, It'll be their own index, hopefully more accurate, and presumably you'll be able to order direct form it like happens with many local Council online BMD indexes. I'm looking forward to it happening :-)  le durachd Fionnghal       *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for showing the bermondseyboy site. I have joined already!!. Madeleine ________________________________ From: "alantaylor462859@aol.co.uk" <alantaylor462859@aol.co.uk> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Cc: alantaylor462859@hotmail.co.uk Sent: Thu, 5 November, 2009 21:33:07 Subject: Re: [SRY] bermondseyboy Thought this may be useful to know for those with Bermondsey-Southwark-Camberwell connections. http://bermondseyboy.lefora.com/ *************************************** end your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** uperfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Fionnghal, Thanks for your useful comments.. I had a look at the sites you mentioned but unfortunately I did 'nt find him. I 'll contact the Imperial War Museum and see if they can help. I do have a photo of his gravestone in the Heilly Station Cemetery in France. It was taken by a friend whose own relative was buried there. I must admit that I was taken by surprise and slightly disappointed to find the names of two other men, from different regiments to his own , written on his gravestone. L 'Chaim. Patrick Holland. . Fionnghal wrote: > hi Patrick, Unfortunately, there was no requirement to erect war memorials. very often they were local private or council decisions or a result of public conscription. So your man may not actually be listed on one though i hope you find he was. Some private firms listed their lost employees on a plaque inside their place of work. Unfortunately, when the firm changed hands, it was not unknown for said plaque to be binned by the incoming organisation who had no link to the people concerned. A horrifying concern be you a family researcher or no but it does happen. > > try this site and see if he crops up: > UK National Inventory of War Memorials [UKNIWM] > http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/ > As i find the site quite slow on my computer, here's a shortcut to the search page: > http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/nav.002006002 > > Channel 4's Lost Generation Names created an online database of war memorials but it seems to have disappeared. It was quite good as users could contribute information on their local war memorial incl. photos and transcription and grid reference. We sent in our local one. I'm not sure if they intend making it available again or not. Some suggest it has been closed, however, i suspect it is the above UKNIWM site in disguise :-) > > le durachd > > Fionnghal > > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Michael. I 'll follow up on some of your suggestions. Regards. Patrick Holland. michael wrote: > I think that he would be recorded in the Regimental Chapel which is a Church > at the top of Guildford High Street > Secondly I would expect to find his name on the War Memorials where his > wife, his parents and his siblings lived in the post war period and perhaps > in the parish where he lived, his school and his place of work. > Duplicated entries are very frequent > What I can not suggest is how you can establish if his name appears as you > live in Australia but you could try: > Queen's Royal Surrey Regiment Museum, Clandon Park, Guildford, GU4 7RQ > Tel: 01483 223419 Email: qrsregimentalmuseum@btconnect.com > Web: www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk > Curator: Ian Chatfield > Or their website http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/ > Good luck > Michael Allbrook > >

Anne, I have come across all of this information-and have been unable to confirm it. I have found no reference to Henry being a silversmith although I have searched the Silversmiths Hallmarks (online) without success. I have found a few "Henry Gannell's" who could fit the bill. I need written proof of relationships....and there is no evidence that William Gannell was Henry's father. Thank you for your interest, Barbara -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Chambers Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2009 6:03 PM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Death/Burial of HENRY GANNELL http://www.homeofourfathers.com/lisbeth/genealogytreasuryt.htm says he was a silversmith - is this correct ? If so, the Silversmiths Guild might have information. and there's a bit about him here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bfhs/house.html "E-mail from Joy Gannell (JJ Family Tree) - Information from Joy Gannell, stating that Henry Gannell's father was William; his son was born in 1805. Henry was the father of our Edwin and Emma." I thought there might have been a death notice, so I checked the Times and the 19th Century British Library Newpapers databases - there's no reference to him but there is his son's marriage announcement. Anne Barbara Hunt wrote: > Thank you, Anne > I already have the marriage certificate for Henry's son Edwin and Charlotte > Ann Toby. > I also have a marriage entry for Henry Gannell and Mary Grove in Surrey in > 1825....I now need to find other information to help me find their parents. > I have a death date and place for Mary. I can't find a death/burial anywhere > for Henry. > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Chambers > Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2009 4:31 PM > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SRY] Death/Burial of HENRY GANNELL > > There's no burial record for Henry on Ancestry, but here's Edwin's marriage > in case you don't already have it: > > Edwin Gannell > Age: Full Age > Spouse Name: Charlotte Ann Toby > Record Type: Marriage > Event Date: 9 Aug 1856 > Parish: Saint Luke, Chelsea > County: Middlesex > Borough: Kensington and Chelsea > Father Name: Henry Gannell > Spouse Father Name: Henry Toby > > Edwin's occupation was 'Merchant' and Henry's 'Gentleman'. Henry was not > shown as deceased, but that doesn't > mean he wasn't. > > > Anne > South Australia > Barbara Hunt wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I am new to this list. >> >> >> >> I am searching for the death/burial of HENRY GANNELL, possibly in Croydon, >> Surrey between 1835-1841. >> >> In the 1841 Census, his wife Mary Gannell was living with their three >> children, Edwin, Isabella and Henry in High Street South, Croydon. >> >> >> >> Any information appreciated, >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Barbara >> >> Australia >> > *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I recently sent a list of Surrey WW1 and WW2 memorials which I found and thought would be of interest to some of our members. http://www.windowonwoking.org.uk/sites/goldsworthparkcommunityassociation/memorialsworldwar1andtwo/surreywarmemorialspagee I looked at all the WW1 memorials for a mention of my uncle, Pte. George Stephen Holland DCM who was born in Lambeth and served in the 6th. Bn. Queens ( Royal West Surrey Regiment.) , whose parents , at the time of his death, lived in south Lambeth, but he is not listed on any of the Surrey WW1 memorials I looked at. although he is mentioned on the Commonwealth War Graves Commision (CWGC) , Debt of Honour, http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=271305 Can any of our members suggest where I could find a mention of him on a Surrey , WW1 memorial and if he is not listed on any memorial, is it possible to rectify the unfortunate omission Thank You. Patrick Holland . Perth, Western Australia.

Has anyone, in the course of their research, come across a RICHARD HUMPHREY PAGE, christened in Horley, Surrey, 12 April 1782? If so, I'd be really keen to exchange information. This is a lead I am following in my search for my ancestor Henry Page - reportedly born in Charlwood c. 1786-91. Ian

http://www.homeofourfathers.com/lisbeth/genealogytreasuryt.htm says he was a silversmith - is this correct ? If so, the Silversmiths Guild might have information. and there's a bit about him here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bfhs/house.html "E-mail from Joy Gannell (JJ Family Tree) - Information from Joy Gannell, stating that Henry Gannell's father was William; his son was born in 1805. Henry was the father of our Edwin and Emma." I thought there might have been a death notice, so I checked the Times and the 19th Century British Library Newpapers databases - there's no reference to him but there is his son's marriage announcement. Anne Barbara Hunt wrote: > Thank you, Anne > I already have the marriage certificate for Henry's son Edwin and Charlotte > Ann Toby. > I also have a marriage entry for Henry Gannell and Mary Grove in Surrey in > 1825....I now need to find other information to help me find their parents. > I have a death date and place for Mary. I can't find a death/burial anywhere > for Henry. > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Chambers > Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2009 4:31 PM > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SRY] Death/Burial of HENRY GANNELL > > There's no burial record for Henry on Ancestry, but here's Edwin's marriage > in case you don't already have it: > > Edwin Gannell > Age: Full Age > Spouse Name: Charlotte Ann Toby > Record Type: Marriage > Event Date: 9 Aug 1856 > Parish: Saint Luke, Chelsea > County: Middlesex > Borough: Kensington and Chelsea > Father Name: Henry Gannell > Spouse Father Name: Henry Toby > > Edwin's occupation was 'Merchant' and Henry's 'Gentleman'. Henry was not > shown as deceased, but that doesn't > mean he wasn't. > > > Anne > South Australia > Barbara Hunt wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I am new to this list. >> >> >> >> I am searching for the death/burial of HENRY GANNELL, possibly in Croydon, >> Surrey between 1835-1841. >> >> In the 1841 Census, his wife Mary Gannell was living with their three >> children, Edwin, Isabella and Henry in High Street South, Croydon. >> >> >> >> Any information appreciated, >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Barbara >> >> Australia >> >

Thank you, Anne I already have the marriage certificate for Henry's son Edwin and Charlotte Ann Toby. I also have a marriage entry for Henry Gannell and Mary Grove in Surrey in 1825....I now need to find other information to help me find their parents. I have a death date and place for Mary. I can't find a death/burial anywhere for Henry. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Chambers Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2009 4:31 PM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Death/Burial of HENRY GANNELL There's no burial record for Henry on Ancestry, but here's Edwin's marriage in case you don't already have it: Edwin Gannell Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Charlotte Ann Toby Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 9 Aug 1856 Parish: Saint Luke, Chelsea County: Middlesex Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Father Name: Henry Gannell Spouse Father Name: Henry Toby Edwin's occupation was 'Merchant' and Henry's 'Gentleman'. Henry was not shown as deceased, but that doesn't mean he wasn't. Anne South Australia Barbara Hunt wrote: > > > > > > > I am new to this list. > > > > I am searching for the death/burial of HENRY GANNELL, possibly in Croydon, > Surrey between 1835-1841. > > In the 1841 Census, his wife Mary Gannell was living with their three > children, Edwin, Isabella and Henry in High Street South, Croydon. > > > > Any information appreciated, > > > > Thank you, > > Barbara > > Australia > *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message