Hi Adele: Sorry, I haven't run across Frank Wm Dundee Quantrell in my searching at all. There is a slight difference in the spelling of the surname, Quantrell/Quantrill or your fellow, Quaintrell. Perhaps 2 separate families. Thank you very much for replying! Marg in Sunny Alberta On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Adele <PentonyGraham@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Similar spelling to someone who came out to NZ in the 1800s, one here, was > Frank William Dundee Quaintrell.. I have heard over the years, the surname > was from London, but believe connections with either Canada or USA according > to the family I have been in touch with.. wonder if there is a connection at > all, hence my reply! > > > > Adele Pentony-Graham > Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher > Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List: Is anyone researching the family of Alfred Robert Quantrill/Quantrell, b abt 1858 who, secondly, married Jane Creffield: London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Alfred Robert Quantrell, widower, boot maker Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Spouse Name: Jane Creffield Spouse Age: 19 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 29 Sep 1884 Parish: Saint Mary, Newington County: Middlesex Borough: Southwark Father Name: Alfred Robert Quantrell Spouse Father Name: Thomas Creffield They had children Jane Alice b 1885, Robert Edward b 1889, Annie b 1891, Alfred b 1899, Winifred b. 1905. In 1920, Alfred b 1899 emigrated to Canada where he married in Toronto, Ontario: 29414-26 Alfred QUANTRELL, 28, mechanic, England, 8 Meadow Ave Toronto, s/o Alfred Robert QUANTRELL & Jane Alice CRIFFIELD, married Hazel Florence TURNER, 23, Toronto, 8 Meadow Ave same, d/o Percival TURNER & Jennie KERRISON, witn: Francis J. NORMAN 0f 5 Kalmar Ave & Doris TURNER of 8 Meadow Ave both of Toronto on Aug. 21, 1926 at St. Barnabas Church. Alfred and Hazel's only son died a few months ago, childless, and left his WWI war memorabilia to a family friend. The friend would like to find and give them to a descendant of this family. Winifred b 1905 married Wm R Hyner in 1928. She died: England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005 Name: Winifred Hyner Birth Date: 23 Apr 1905 Death Registration Month/Year: Nov 1993 Age at death (estimated): 88 Registration district: Merton Inferred County: Surrey Register number: B29 District and Subdistrict: 2441 Entry number: 143 Winifred and hubby Wm Hyner had 3 daughters, Hazel M born 1930 who married a Henry Hammond in 1953; Margaret J. born 1931 who married a George V. Osborne in 1953; Patricia A born 1935 who married Sydney Cooper in 1957. Does anyone have access to the full death reg of Winifred Hyner to see who the informant was, address, etc? Would there have been an obituary published in a local paper? Thank you very much for any help! Marg in Sunny Alberta, Canada

Hello Alison, On Ancestry on the 1871 Census living at East Barming, Kent is an Ellen CRAWLEY age 20 born Brighton, Sussex with her parents John and Mary both age 52 and born in Ireland. I would suggest sending for Ellen's marriage registration in Dec 1880 as this would probably give her father's Christian name. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Martyn" <a.martyn@btinternet.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: [SRY] KOHOANE/COHOANE - SWEETMAN (Battersea & Croydon) >I wonder if there is any Surrey Super-Sleuth out there who might be able to > help me with a real brickwall? > > Henry Sweetman married Ellen "Kohoane" in 1880 Brentford > > Henry was from Co. Cork, Ireland and Ellen was evidently born in Brighton > c.1856 > > In the 1881 census I can't find Henry but Ellen (age 30) was working at > "The > Priory" hospital in Putney. > > In the 1891 census Henry & Ellen (age 35) are living at 172 Meyrick Road > in > Battersea with children: > Maria 8 (born Kew), John 6 & Nellie 3 (born Battersea) > > In the 1901 census Henry & Ellen (age 44) are living at 17 Queens Road in > Croydon with children: > Mary 18, John 16, Ellen 13, Henry 9 and Daniel 7. > > I have a copy of Daniel's birth certificate (1893 - 180 Meyrick Rd, > Battersea) and Ellen's maiden name is given as COHOANE. > > With them in 1901 is...Ellen's mum (age 80 born Ireland). It's really > hard > to make out her surname but it's certainly not Cohoane/Kohoane. She's > either Mary or May...and then Crawley/Crawly/Crowley..something like that. > I've searched for Mary/May's death and can't find it. > > Then in 1911 they were at 1 Frant Road, Thornton Heath. Henry, Ellen (age > 49) and John (who was killed in WW1), Henry & Daniel. > Mary had by this time married John Kirby and Ellen/Nellie had married John > McCarthy. > > Can you guess what all this is leading up to?? I can't find Ellen's birth > in Brighton - nor can I find her on the 1871 census. Her year of birth > could be anything from 1850-1862. If you type the surname Cohoane or > Kohoane into Ancestry not one entry comes up (except Ellen's marriage), > although there are a few entries for Cohone/Kohone/Cohane/Kohane. They > were > Roman Catholics so perhaps Ellen's parents thought that as long as she was > baptised there was no need to register her birth. And where is May/Mary's > death - presumably some time between 1901 and 1911. And where was Henry > Sweetman in 1881? > > If anyone can suggest ANYTHING more I could try I'd be very very grateful. > > Thanks very much - Alison > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.73/2514 - Release Date: 11/19/09 19:42:00

Morning List, Seeking advise on where to search for information on Henry Brown. ---- Known as--- BROWN & SON BUILDERS.Stoke Newington. Father : Henry Brown Son: Henry Stanley Brown. Albion Works, 329 Harrow Rd........ I do have census info ....more interested in buildings built by him , if there are any photos of Henry at his place of buisiness, etcand of the buildings . I am awaiting his and wifes death certs. Which may lead me to thier resting place. Henry and family moved 1907 to Gerards Cross, Buckingham and aslo built homes and shops in the area. Any help greatly appreciated Noelene Selmes Queensland , Australia

It was my great-aunt's cat that did that. (I think a dog was responsible.) Several times, until she put a rockery on top of the place in question. Geoff Geoffrey Chew g.chew@rhul.ac.uk ________________________________ From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wed 18.11.09 22:47 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] YOELL No doubt in the fullness of time they will surface

Herbert (Bertie) Henry WHITLEY was born at St John's Wood in 1891 the son of Henry Thomas WHITLEY and Agnes Allen Oakes. A year later his mother died and Herbert was brought up by his father and his father's second wife, Charlotte Maria CARDY at 5, Rudolph Road, Paddington. Herbert joined the Royal Artillery in 1909 and married Ethel Kate Brewer in 1913 and the couple went to live at Pontardulais in Glamorgan. Herbert and Ethel's son, Richard, was born in 1924. Richard eventually moved back to Surrey and lived at Kingston upon Thames. Can anyone tell me anything about Richard or his descendants after 1911? Replies off list please as this is recent history. David

Not literally, I hope ;) Anne South Australia Nivard Ovington wrote: > > The death cert is needed for a burial so its in the wrong order for us :-( > > No doubt in the fullness of time they will surface > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >

Would they have on the death certificate where buried? Other than that, Streatham Park Cemetery. Wandsworth Cemetery come to mind... Perhaps incorrectly spelt.... I used to frequently walk through St Leonard's Church yard, it was a short cut to catch the 49 Bus which went up to Crystal Palace, I needed it to get home when in town... not as far as Crystal Palace though.. top of Streatham Common! (it was a public right of way!) Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group

Ooooooh ! I hope not :-( Just their whereabouts will do just fine Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Not literally, I hope ;) > > Anne > South Australia > > Nivard Ovington wrote: > >> >> The death cert is needed for a burial so its in the wrong order for us >> :-( >> >> No doubt in the fullness of time they will surface >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Adele No sadly death certs do not have the burial place on English / Welsh certificates The death cert is needed for a burial so its in the wrong order for us :-( No doubt in the fullness of time they will surface Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Would they have on the death certificate where buried? Other than that, > Streatham Park Cemetery. Wandsworth Cemetery come to mind... > > Perhaps incorrectly spelt.... > > I used to frequently walk through St Leonard's Church yard, it was a short > cut to catch the 49 Bus which went up to Crystal Palace, I needed it to > get home when in town... not as far as Crystal Palace though.. top of > Streatham Common! (it was a public right of way!)

I'm trying to sort out a family legend and find whether it's true or not. There was a building firm in Chertsey from around 1800 to the 1950s called Thomas Knight & Sons (based in Station Road). I've traced them back to the marriage of Thomas Knight (stone mason) to Sarah Basset in Chertsey in 1795. A later settlement examination (1804) implies that Thomas was apprenticed to a John Hames, surveyor of Stamford, Lincs for seven years from 15 years ago (1789). If the dates are accurate he would still have been an apprentice when he married so I suspect the apprenticeship started slightly earlier. The marriage register records him as "of Stamford", implying he may have achieved settlement there (presumably by completing his apprenticeship) by 1795. I've found no record of Thomas Knight being born in Chertsey in the 1770s, and though I have found a Knight family in the Stamford area about that time I have no evidence to link them. There is no family legend of a link to Stamford. Photographs from the 1920s show the phrase "established 1700" on one of the company's trucks. Although this could be a red herring it makes me think there could have been stone masons in the family some generations back from Thomas. A family legend records that the family originally lived in Battersea, presumably in the 1700s (this was mentioned in a 20th century family obituary in the Surrey Herald). I've not been able to find any evidence of this yet (I've tried the IGI and WSFHS baptism index CD), and wondered if any other list members could suggest possible routes to prove or disprove this legend. All suggestions welcomed! Bob

Hi Adrian, Did find this one myself. Although James and Richard look promising not sure where 'Elizabeth' would fit in as daughter Eliza was born 1846. Also wondered why the younger children would not be present. If all else fails, is definitely a 'possible' though. Thank you very much for your time. Regards, Marie Powell ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Pitts To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] 1871 Census help please Is this them ? POWELL, James Head M 61 1810 Devon POWELL, Richd Son M 16 1855 London POWELL, Elizebeth Daughter F 18 1853 London 8 Victoria Place, Lambeth RG number:RG10 Piece:649 Folio:34 Page:4 Registration District:Lambeth Sub District:Waterloo 1st Part EnumerationDistrict:10 Adrian > Hello Listers, > > Could SKS help me locate James POWELL born Plymouth, Devon circa 1810 on > the above Census please. Have found him on all others right up to 1891 > (good age!). > > In 1861 living at 9 Upper Grotto Place, St George the Martyr, Southwark > with children Martha 20, Emma 16, Charlotte 12, Betsey 10, Richard 7 and > Ann 4 (wife Martha born St Luke, Middlesex circa 1818 is missing). > RG9/330 Folio 141 Page 22 > > In 1881 living alone at Tennis Place, same area. > > Thinking perhaps surname is mistranscribed? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > > Marie Powell

The local studies library and collection would be a good place to look, but there is another source in Croydon. The Croydon Natural History and Scientific Society, founded in the nineteenth century, is one that has local historians amongst its membership. They have a museum at 95a Brighton Road, South Croydon, CR2 6AD and their web-site can be seen at http://www.greig51.freeserve.co.uk/cnhss/ John

Is this them ? POWELL, James Head M 61 1810 Devon POWELL, Richd Son M 16 1855 London POWELL, Elizebeth Daughter F 18 1853 London 8 Victoria Place, Lambeth RG number:RG10 Piece:649 Folio:34 Page:4 Registration District:Lambeth Sub District:Waterloo 1st Part EnumerationDistrict:10 Adrian > Hello Listers, > > Could SKS help me locate James POWELL born Plymouth, Devon circa 1810 on > the above Census please. Have found him on all others right up to 1891 > (good age!). > > In 1861 living at 9 Upper Grotto Place, St George the Martyr, Southwark > with children Martha 20, Emma 16, Charlotte 12, Betsey 10, Richard 7 and > Ann 4 (wife Martha born St Luke, Middlesex circa 1818 is missing). > RG9/330 Folio 141 Page 22 > > In 1881 living alone at Tennis Place, same area. > > Thinking perhaps surname is mistranscribed? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > > Marie Powell No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.71/2510 - Release Date: 11/17/09 19:26:00

Hello Listers, Could SKS help me locate James POWELL born Plymouth, Devon circa 1810 on the above Census please. Have found him on all others right up to 1891 (good age!). In 1861 living at 9 Upper Grotto Place, St George the Martyr, Southwark with children Martha 20, Emma 16, Charlotte 12, Betsey 10, Richard 7 and Ann 4 (wife Martha born St Luke, Middlesex circa 1818 is missing). RG9/330 Folio 141 Page 22 In 1881 living alone at Tennis Place, same area. Thinking perhaps surname is mistranscribed? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Marie Powell

Hi Richard There are two branches of YOELLs in England in the main, my lot come from Streatham from at least 1808 and I believe Croydon and Dulwich before that (my g.g.g.grandparents married at St Marys Lambeth in 1807 and their son George was born in Streatham in 1808) , the other branch (if thats the right word) come from Portsea in Hampshire and are of Jewish origins at least back to the mid 1700's I have been checking the deceasedonline site from its release but the only two listed (in Havering as you say) are on the Portsea line rather than mine Arthur Abraham was born 1900 MEOT his parents were Abraham and Catherine The Margaretta May is his wife (nee CROFT b1909) they married in 1935 Posting that detail in case any other stray YOELL researchers find it by searching :-) But thank you for your response , you never know when something will turn up My mother always told me her great grandfather or grandfather was born in Hamburg , thus far that has not proved to be the case :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hi Nivard, A late reply - I was just checking emails on my archive. I expect you have tried Deceased on Line, but just in case here is the link. http://www.deceasedonline.com/?source=email_20090320_1 There are 2 YOELL records, but for Havering which is the wrong district. However, this site shows promise and hopefully a lot more Cemetary records will be uploaded. With best wishes Richard Brown Bromley

Hi Nivard, A late reply - I was just checking emails on my archive.  I expect you have tried Deceased on Line, but just in case here is the link.    http://www.deceasedonline.com/?source=email_20090320_1  There are 2 YOELL records, but for Havering which is the wrong district.  However, this site shows promise and hopefully a lot more Cemetary records will be uploaded. With best wishes Richard Brown Bromley ----- Original Message ---- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 22 September, 2009 11:49:57 Subject: [SRY] Streatham burials ? Hi all The release of the burials at St Leonards Streatham and my not finding any YOELLs there at all, despite a long history with the Church has prompted me to ask where they are likely to be buried if not there I have been unable to find any record of any sort for my g.g.g.grandparents George YOEL and his wife Elizabeth PREIL (after they married at St Marys Lambeth 1807) who had my g.g.grandfather George YOELL in Streatham in 1808 George married in 1830 and raised ten children in Streatham George died 1867 in Streatham, his wife Ann (nee FLETCHER b1804) died in 1883 last living at the Thrale Almshouses in Streatham No YOEL(L) found buried at St Leonards, where else might I look? :=>< SNIP Can anyone suggest anything to further my research? :=>< SNIP Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only reference I can find in the 19th century British Newspapers database is the announcement of this marriage Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries The Ipswich Journal (Ipswich, England), Saturday, January 16, 1847; Issue 5619. 14th inst at Brightlingsea Essex by the Rev William Latten, vicar, James Mackenzie Roberts esq of No 30 West Square Southwark to Phoebe Simson Maris (Maria?) eldest daughter of Jas. Mason esq of Moverons Brightlingsea There's nothing in the Times Anne South Australia Robert Webb wrote: > I'm searching for any obituary or death notice for James Mackenzie ROBERTS, a surveyor and architect who was lodging at 7 Edward Street, Newington, Surrey when he died on 30 March 1890. His home was at Dedham, Essex and he was buried there (well, actually, at the neighbouring parish of Brantham, Suffolk), but no local Essex or Suffolk newspaper seems to have carried any obit. > > I am wondering if one of the South London papers might have carried a death notice or obit, but getting down to the Southwark Local History Library to search the microfilm just isn't possible. Is there any kind soul out there familiar with the archives who might be able to check easily for me? In particular: > > South London News > South London Chronicle > South London Press > Southwark and Bermondsey Recorder > South London Observer/Camberwell and Peckham Times > South London Mail > > He lodged in Southwark/Lambeth throughout the 1850s, 60s, 70s and 80s and must have worked locally, although the only project I know of is the 1851 planned (and subsequently abandoned) conversion of a former philanthropic chapel in St George's Road, Southwark into the parish church of St Jude. No doubt he worked on other projects so if anyone has info on surveyors and architects in this part of south London during this period I'd be pleased to make contact. > > Thanks! > > Rob > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

have you tried the London Gazette; it's free. You may not get the actual obit, but if his lawyer was seeking debtors/creditors in relation to monies that may have been owing, there would have been an entry with details including his d.o.d. It is worth trying from about 5yrs after his death. Also for other business related mentions, it is worth seeking mentions of him during his adult life. http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/search good luck Fionnghal > I'm searching for any obituary or death notice for James Mackenzie ROBERTS, a surveyor and architect who was lodging at 7 Edward Street, Newington, Surrey when he died on 30 March 1890. His home was at Dedham, Essex and he was buried there (well, actually, at the neighbouring parish of Brantham, Suffolk), but no local Essex or Suffolk newspaper seems to have carried any obit........

Dear Rob I cannot find an obituary for James but the following may be of interest to you if you do not already have it... Ipswich Journal Saturday January 16 1847 Married 14th inst. at Brightlingsea, Essex, by the Rev. William LATTEN, vicar, James Mackenzie ROBERTS Esq., of No. 30 West Square, Southwark, to Phoebe Simson Maria, eldest daughter of Jas. MASON Esq., of Moverons, Brightlingsea. Diane J. Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:16:53 -0000 From: "Robert Webb" <robert-webb@btconnect.com> Subject: [SRY] J.M. ROBERTS / Lambeth / Southwark To: <ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4AF316F3DE9349098996E28C2CF42E69@RobertWebb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm searching for any obituary or death notice for James Mackenzie ROBERTS, a surveyor and architect who was lodging at 7 Edward Street, Newington, Surrey when he died on 30 March 1890. His home was at Dedham, Essex and he was buried there (well, actually, at the neighbouring parish of Brantham, Suffolk), but no local Essex or Suffolk newspaper seems to have carried any obit.