I wonder if someone may be able to look at a baptisim on Ancestry for me please and see if they can see what the abode address is . It is so faint I can't decifer what it is.I think I have found another child of my gr Grandparents James and Ann Clements. The baptisim is for 1854 St Mary , Lambeth, Surrey, 5 Feb, Charles James , son of, I think JamesThomas and Ann . Father a Tailor. but the address is too faint. Thankyou. Cheri Greenlaw

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Peter & Cheri Greenlaw < pmgcmg@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > Also can you tell me why Ancestry says that Lambeth was in Middlesex when > the Baptisim was in St Mary's ,Lambeth,Surrey. > Cheri > > Perhaps you should ask Ancestry? JK

Hi Cheri You don't need to contact Ancestry for a correction, you can do it yourself In the case of the Baptisms, click *View Record* on the left, then click *Add Alternate information* Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Hilary, > Thankyou .I have the 1871 census that states Eleanor [Ellen ] in the > census > was born in 1852 .I cant find her birth cert or Charles James birth > cert.Maybe Eleanor and Harriet were just Baptised together. But now I have > Ellen as Eleanor I will keep trying.And I will contact Ancestry to correct > the spelling which I didn't pick up. > Thankyou > Cheri

Replied on another list re a possible birth registration Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter & Cheri Greenlaw Thankyou .I have the 1871 census that states Eleanor [Ellen ] in the census was born in 1852 .I cant find her birth cert or Charles James birth cert.Maybe Eleanor and Harriet were just Baptised together. But now I have Ellen as Eleanor I will keep trying.And I will contact Ancestry to correct the spelling which I didn't pick up. Thankyou Cheri ----- Original Message ----- From: "HILARY BLANFORD" <hilaryblanford@btinternet.com> I'd go for 49 [.]yer St, but you could always buy the birth certificate.

Have you searched for the address on a later census to see how many rooms were in the house?  Lots of rooms could suggest that the owner of number 3 was away for the weekend and had left the staff in charge of the house.  The 1911 census is probably the easiest to search - at your local library perhaps?  You'd need to look on the enumerator's schedule to see if there was more than one household at that address.  No idea how it was spelt in 1911 but today there is an s on the end of Maid. If the butler doubled as valet, then he might have accompanied his master.  Unlikely for a butler to accompany his master if he were a guest of somebody. Perhaps you could try to find out who owned both houses in 1861.  Start with http://www.richmond.gov.uk/home/leisure_and_culture/local_history_and_heritage/local_studies_collection.htm Hilary   > I'm new to this list and I'm hoping that someone with local > knowledge of The > Green area of Richmond can answer a couple of questions for > me. > >  > > I've found my ggGrandfather, Owen OWEN a butler, on the > 1861 census living > at 3 Maid of Honour Row.  The rest of the household > were all servants, a > ladies maid, a house maid and a nurse maid. > > At the adjacent property, Heidigger House, was a civil > engineer, his wife & > daughter, a housemaid and a cook.  Would I be right in > thinking that 3 Maid > of Honour Row was being used as servant's quarters for the > employees of > Heidigger House? > >  > > Secondly, being the only male servant of the household, is > it likely that > the butler would have accompanied his employer on his > travels? > > Thanks in advance > > Robin > > Bookham. >

I'd go for 49 [.]yer St, but you could always buy the birth certificate. I found 8 children of James Thomas and Ann Clements Charles James 1854 Emma Frances 1855 Alice 1857 William 1858 Eleanor Ann 1860 Harriet 1860 - if you have not already done so you may wish to correct the spelling of Jamas Thoams for this entry so that other Clements researchers may contact you in the future (you can choose to hide your identity but still make the correction) Henry 1862 Jessie 1866 - useful because this baptism excludes the possibility that James Thomas remarried a Louisa and confirms that there were 2 James Thomas Clements in Lambeth at the same period. The other JTC was a general dealer. Re 1860 baptisms - no note in register to say they are twins. Hilary > From: "Peter & Cheri Greenlaw" <pmgcmg@iinet.net.au> > Subject: [SRY] Clements baptisim > To: <ENG-SURREY-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <EEF26E9754F442E7AEFA43120B76168E@Home> > Content-Type: text/plain;    > charset="iso-8859-1" > > I wonder if someone may be able to look at a baptisim  > on Ancestry for me please and see if they can see what the > abode address is . It is so faint I can't decifer what it > is.I think I have found another child of my gr Grandparents > James and Ann Clements. The baptisim is for 1854 St Mary , > Lambeth, Surrey, 5 Feb, Charles James , son of, I think > JamesThomas  and Ann . Father a Tailor. but the address > is too faint. Thankyou. > Cheri Greenlaw > the address is too faint. > > Thankyou. Cheri Greenlaw > > >

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1871 Surrey census project. Two further pieces have been uploaded to the on line database and are now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk These are pieces : RG10/592 Christchurch Southwark containing part of the parish of Christchurch Southwark, RG10/627 Leather Market, containing part of the parish of Bermondsey This means that there are now 13,475 (1.3%) 1871 Surrey census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to David Stokes, Colin Harlingten and Tricia Rice without their help this information would not be available. We have a long way to go but the more volunteers we get the quicker the information will become available. If you would like to help with making more information available please contact me on bandys@worldonline.co.uk <mailto:bandys@worldonline.co.uk> Hope this helps you in your research. -- Bev Howlett FREECEN Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861, 1871 & 1891 Cambridgeshire 1891 Surrey 1871 & 1891 Find Out How You Can Help http://www.freecen.org.uk or http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo

Hi again A little more on the Row here http://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/property/buying_and_selling/article736349.ece Again it suggests that it was a large house in its own right, a row of four in all Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I'm new to this list and I'm hoping that someone with local knowledge of > The > Green area of Richmond can answer a couple of questions for me. > I've found my ggGrandfather, Owen OWEN a butler, on the 1861 census living > at 3 Maid of Honour Row. The rest of the household were all servants, a > ladies maid, a house maid and a nurse maid. > At the adjacent property, Heidigger House, was a civil engineer, his wife > & > daughter, a housemaid and a cook. Would I be right in thinking that 3 > Maid > of Honour Row was being used as servant's quarters for the employees of > Heidigger House? > Secondly, being the only male servant of the household, is it likely that > the butler would have accompanied his employer on his travels? > Robin > > Bookham.

Hi Robin It looks to me as if that was the home address and the head of household was away from home Owen OWEN as butler would almost certainly have lived on the premises where he was employed and he is not enumerated as head of household but servant If the building that is on the site of Maids of Honour Row is the same one (and looks like it may be) its an imposing place and to grand for servants alone, also at number 1 is a Barrister with servants The Police constable may have been sent there to guard number 2 while the owner was away perhaps I would look in other census years for the same address to see who lived there then, also check directories to see if there is an entry for 3 Maids of Honour Row Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, > > > > I'm new to this list and I'm hoping that someone with local knowledge of > The > Green area of Richmond can answer a couple of questions for me. > > > > I've found my ggGrandfather, Owen OWEN a butler, on the 1861 census living > at 3 Maid of Honour Row. The rest of the household were all servants, a > ladies maid, a house maid and a nurse maid. > > At the adjacent property, Heidigger House, was a civil engineer, his wife > & > daughter, a housemaid and a cook. Would I be right in thinking that 3 > Maid > of Honour Row was being used as servant's quarters for the employees of > Heidigger House? > > > > Secondly, being the only male servant of the household, is it likely that > the butler would have accompanied his employer on his travels? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Robin

Hi, I'm new to this list and I'm hoping that someone with local knowledge of The Green area of Richmond can answer a couple of questions for me. I've found my ggGrandfather, Owen OWEN a butler, on the 1861 census living at 3 Maid of Honour Row. The rest of the household were all servants, a ladies maid, a house maid and a nurse maid. At the adjacent property, Heidigger House, was a civil engineer, his wife & daughter, a housemaid and a cook. Would I be right in thinking that 3 Maid of Honour Row was being used as servant's quarters for the employees of Heidigger House? Secondly, being the only male servant of the household, is it likely that the butler would have accompanied his employer on his travels? Thanks in advance Robin Bookham.

Hi: I have no idea! I've just been looking for the direct line, Alfred & Jane, as the person who died, the friend of a friend of mine, was their grandson. Marg On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Carole Beth Arnette <kyunes@gmail.com>wrote: > Did any of them move to the USA & change their names? During the Civil > War, > there was a pro Confederate group called Quantrell's Raiders, headed by > William Clarke Quantrell. Found him/them in Wikipedia. Just wondering. > Am > not kin to him. > > Carole Beth Arnette > kyunes@gmail.com I > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Adele <PentonyGraham@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > Similar spelling to someone who came out to NZ in the 1800s, one here, > was > > Frank William Dundee Quaintrell.. I have heard over the years, the > surname > > was from London, but believe connections with either Canada or USA > according > > to the family I have been in touch with.. wonder if there is a connection > at > > all, hence my reply! > > > > > > > > Adele Pentony-Graham > > Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher > > Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group > > *************************************** > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > > superfluous old messages in replies. > > > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Did any of them move to the USA & change their names? During the Civil War, there was a pro Confederate group called Quantrell's Raiders, headed by William Clarke Quantrell. Found him/them in Wikipedia. Just wondering. Am not kin to him. Carole Beth Arnette kyunes@gmail.com I On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Adele <PentonyGraham@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Similar spelling to someone who came out to NZ in the 1800s, one here, was > Frank William Dundee Quaintrell.. I have heard over the years, the surname > was from London, but believe connections with either Canada or USA according > to the family I have been in touch with.. wonder if there is a connection at > all, hence my reply! > > > > Adele Pentony-Graham > Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher > Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:37:31 -0000 "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Caroline, > only flaw in this is that both individuals may have had a father called > Joseph! IME, when that occurs, they contact you asking if there's another check they could make. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Well well well, you just can't tell My Michelle - Guns 'N' Roses

Hi Teresa Are you sure? There was no churchyard at St Philip, burials within the metropolis (of which Battersea was deemed to be part) having been discontinued by Act of Parliament in the 1850s, before the church was even built, and the church does not even have a burial register. The nearest cemetery at that time would have been St Mary's Cemetery in Battersea Rise. Go to http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/info/200032/deaths_funerals_and_cremations/86/c emeteries_and_crematorium/10 for details. Hope this helps Caroline > I have found a burial record for someone at St. Philip Church in > Battersea in 1874. Did this church have a graveyard on site? If not, > where would be the most likely cemetery for that area? > > Many thanks for any help you can give. > > Teresa in Canada > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I have found a burial record for someone at St. Philip Church in Battersea in 1874. Did this church have a graveyard on site? If not, where would be the most likely cemetery for that area? Many thanks for any help you can give. Teresa in Canada

Looking for descendants of Charles Preston MINETT - B 1897 - Bethnal Green, London, England s/o Charles Frederick W MINETT Thought to haved resided in Surrey Thank you for any assistance Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon, New Zealand ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bob, I made a mistake in the last email I sent to you. The first para graph should have read. "The reversal of the Christian names on the FreeBDM and the 1911 census creates a practical problem when I want to order, say a marriage certificate on line. For example, there are Free BDM, marriage , entries for a John C Holland in Lambeth in 1933 and an entry for a Charles J Holland in Marylebone in 1930. Which one should I order ? NB. John C Holland, born in Lambeth, is the name the father, Joseph Holland, put for his son on the 1911 census. whereas, . Charles John Holland is the name on the BDM birth entry for Mar 1910. in Lambeth. Patrick.

Bob, The reversal of the Christian names on the FreeBDM and the 1911 census creates a practical problem when I want to order, say a marriage certificate on line. For example, there are Free BDM, marriage , entries for a Charles John Holland in Lambeth in 1933 and an entry for a Charles J Holland in Marylebone in 1930. Which one should I order ? Free BDM for Births has an entry under, London ( 1889- 1965), for a , Charles John Holland , born in Lambeth in March 1910 , but no entry for a John C Holland which is the name the father, Joseph Holland, put on the 1911 census. There is BDM entry for a marriage of a John C Holland in Lambeth in Sept 1933. and an entry for a Charles J Holland in Marylebone in Sept 1930. The question is which marriage is the correct one ? As I see it, the only way that I can be sure is to order both marriage certificates. The name of the groom's father, Joseph Holland, will be on the correct one. It 's a pity that I can 't ask the GRO to look at both certificates and only send me the one where the father 's name of the groom, is given as Joseph Holland. Do think that they would do that ? Patrick. Bob Brock wrote: > I think this was fairly common, I've come across it a number of times. In > many cases it's where the father and son share a name (e.g. I have a John > Brock whose son was baptised John Joseph Brock but appears on censuses as > Joseph John Brock or Joseph J Brock in several cases until his father's > death). In other cases it's clearly where the second forename is the one > that was used day-to-day (so for example F Scott Fitzgerald might have > appeared on a census as Scott F Fitzgerald - if he'd been English!). >

Not foreign to the UK - an Ancestry search comes up with 983 England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 904 England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 416 England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 230 England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 229 England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 96 London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 74 England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005 The only Sarah Jane indexed as such was born in 1985, however. FreeBMD have this Marriages Mar 1916 Tustain Sarah J Woollscott Fulham 1a 815 Anne South Australia john clark wrote: > hi folks looking for [sara jane tustain] in the time zone of the 30s is the surname foreign to the uk have a good day folks john adelaid sa 30c . >

hi folks looking for [sara jane tustain] in the time zone of the 30s is the surname foreign to the uk have a good day folks john adelaid sa 30c