HI Wendy, You can order the original Parish registers from your local LDS family history centre for $5 I have had the Parish registers out for Egham myself. Just go to the www.familysearch.org website and click on Library catalogue. Place search.......Egham. You can keep the PR's for about 3 months and research them at the LDS on their film readers. I have found occasionally fathers names will be on earlier records, but hopefully of some value will be the witnesses names which will not appear on the indexes. They may also tell you the Parish they are from or whether they are OTP.......I never get the indexes myself, preferring to get the original PR's. Egham was on one reel, so you can go back and forward from the dates you want and database any family members. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi Listers > Can anyone tell me how I can access the Egham Parish records please? Are > they stored in Egham? > > > > I am specifically looking for a copy of the original records of a marriage > that took place on 24th July 1789 in Egham, between Sarah BURT and William > COOKSEY.

Thanks for the prompt reply, Pam, Geof and Lawrence. That should help me. Interesting how I am suddenly not the only person interested in that small area. Bill

Hi Listers Can anyone tell me how I can access the Egham Parish records please? Are they stored in Egham? I am specifically looking for a copy of the original records of a marriage that took place on 24th July 1789 in Egham, between Sarah BURT and William COOKSEY. The index I have does not indicate who the parents of either party were, or which church they married in. Any advice appreciated. As I live in Australia I would very much appreciate an address or email to send my request to. Regards Wendy, Australia

Hi I am trying to work through some apparent problems with a family tree that I have found that has information in it that pertains to my line. The person in the tree that I am interested in is one Mary Goldhawk. She is supposedly baptized Oct. 19, 1692 "in Egham." I have seen it stated that she was born in "Eghamhithe, near Staines, England." Mary supposedly had a brother, Abraham, who was born Dec. 18, 1735, in London. Mary reportedly married one William Cox, in 1743 in "Eghamhith, Berkshire, England" This same William Cox was supposedly born in "Wheatley Parish, County of Southhampton, England" in 1718. Another source places the birth at being Oct. 16, 1711, in "Eghamhith, Berkshire, England." {He certainly seems to have moved about a good bit.} I have found that there is a Egham located near Staines. I went to Google and did a search (which I can not now replicate) and found that there is a St. Mary? Church near some place in the Egham, Surrey area that is spelled something like Heith. Another bit of information from what I have found is that the grandparents of Mary Goldhawk were John and Sarah Allery who lived near London. Apparently this William Cox that Mary married was the son of a rather successful merchant in London, involved with shipping and trade with Norway. From the document I have found is "William Cox was the son of John Cox and his wife, Mary Banes Cox, and was born in Essex, England in 1717 or 1718. His mother's family name was Banes. John Cox was a man of considerable wealth, owned several mills, and was engaged in the shipping business, --sending vessels to Norway for deal boards. His son William accompanied him on one of his voyages and brought home a handsome Norwegian pony." Can anyone shed some light on this mess? Thanks Bill Dalton

Hi Wendy The parish registers for St John the Baptist, Egham (the only church in Egham at the time) are at the Surrey History Centre in Woking, who offer a research service. You should be aware, however, that the marriage register will not show the names of either party's parents. Fathers' names appear on marriage certificates only after 1 July 1837. Prior to that, you may, very occasionally, see mention of a parent if the bride or groom was a minor and required consent, and even more occasionally, that parent might be named. The marriage register will, however, give the names of at least two witnesses, but these will not necessarily be related to either party - church officials could act as witnesses so you should check the register to see if the names appear frequently. Hope this helps Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy > Sent: 04 December 2009 5:49 AM > To: ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SRY] Egham Parish Records > > Hi Listers > > > > Can anyone tell me how I can access the Egham Parish records please? > Are > they stored in Egham? > > > > I am specifically looking for a copy of the original records of a > marriage > that took place on 24th July 1789 in Egham, between Sarah BURT and > William > COOKSEY. > > > > The index I have does not indicate who the parents of either party > were, or > which church they married in. Any advice appreciated. > > > > As I live in Australia I would very much appreciate an address or email > to > send my request to. > > > > Regards > > > > Wendy, Australia > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

>From The Morning Chronicle ( London, England ), Tuesday, January 11, 1859; Issue 28704. MARRIAGE On the 5th inst. at St. Stephen's Church, Islington, Richd. Robinson MERRETT, Esq, of the Ordinance School, Carlshalton, to Mary Sophia LUCAS, only surviving daughter of the late Charles LUCAS, Esq., of Ramsgate.

>From The Morning Chronicle ( London, England ), Tuesday, January 11, 1859; Issue 28704. MARRIAGE On the 5th inst. at St. Stephen's Church, Islington, Richd. Robinson MERRETT, Esq, of the Ordinance School, Carlshalton, to Mary Sophia LUCAS, only surviving daughter of the late Charles LUCAS, Esq., of Ramsgate.

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, December 12, 1835, Issue 4311. MARRIED At Brixton, Mr. Wm. D. PICKERING, of Margate, to Susannah, eldest daughter of the late John Lane SADGROVE, Esq., of Brixton, Surrey.

Hi Lynn. Sorry to pour cold water on your helpful posting re ALFRED HARRIS but that is a different family. So confusing when they keep popping up! Daphne

>From 12 January to 27 February an exhibition at Godalming Museum will record the rise and fall of Weyburn Engineering, a precision machine engineering company which was a major employer in the Elstead area. Founded in 1913, the works employed over 800 local people at its peak, finally closing down in 2008. Weyburn produced parts for internationally renowned companies such as Rolls Royce, and were most famously known for their camshafts. A considerable number of families whose Surrey ancestors and relatives have lived in the area round Godalming, Eashing, Elstead and beyond may find this exhibition of interest, as the Weyburn staff were loyal and often achieved long service awards. Former employees of Weyburn and their relatives are invited to a Private View of the exhibition on January 11th - contact the Museum for details on 01483 426510. Godalming Museum is located at 109a High Street, by the Pepperpot. Admission is free but donations are welcomed. The Local Studies library is open in the afternoons from 1 pm to 4 pm Tuesday to Saturday. Enjoy! Ann Surrey List Admin

Hi Jim & Nivard, Thanks very much to you both for your responses. Obviously the old memory is not what it used to be ! The letter you quoted from Nivard is definitely what I read on TNA from the link posted, but for some reason was sure it related to WW1 service records (not at the time of course!). Even told my cousin, who is now interested in the link, as both thought these were destroyed by fire following a bombing raid during WW11. Seems we were correct all along, will put it down to the weather ! Now have to apologize to all listers, and my cousin, for the confusion I have caused. So sorry, >From a very red-faced Marie PS Thank you Nivard for the other TNA links, will have an enjoyable read. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nivard Ovington To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] TNA link re WW1 records Hi Jim No two separate events Some on the 1940 loss of service records here <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=18> And on the loss of the 1931 census Quote Letter from W A Derrick of the General Register Office to F T Stobart, Central National Registration Office, Southport dated 22 December 1942, commenting on the fate of the 1931 census. TNA ref: RG 20/109 (part). "You will regret to hear that in a fire last Saturday evening which gutted the Office of Works store containing our Census records at Hayes, the whole of the 1931 schedules, enumeration books, plans of division and miscellaneous material stored in cupboards etc were completely destroyed. Mr Farrow and I went down to inspect the remains yesterday and we are both satisfied that it would be useless to attempt any sort of salvage operation; we are leaving the Office of Works to clear and dispose of the debris in any way they think desirable." "The fire was not occasioned by enemy action and how it achieved such dimensions in a store in which special hydrants had been fitted and said to have been in charge of a fire guard of 6 paid watchers, is a mystery which will need investigation. It is hardly possible to imagine a more complete state of devastation than the scene presented to us in which it was impossible to see where some of the racks had stood and where the remains were nothing more than shapeless mounds of paper rubbish dragged outside the building by the firemen who tackled the fire and where even the least damaged sheets that were recognizable were charred to the depth of two or three inches on all edges....." Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Marie > > I think this was the destruction in an accidental fire of the UK 1931 > census > records. > > Jim >> Hi All, >> >> Quite recently someone posted a very interesting TNA link re destruction >> of WW1 records during WW11. It was a letter detailing the fire damage >> etc >> and possible cause. >> >> Unfortunately I must have deleted by mistake, cannot find in Archives as >> unsure of subject line. >> >> If someone could re-post this link I would be very obliged. Thank you in >> hope ! >> >> Marie

Hi Jim No two separate events Some on the 1940 loss of service records here <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=18> And on the loss of the 1931 census Quote Letter from W A Derrick of the General Register Office to F T Stobart, Central National Registration Office, Southport dated 22 December 1942, commenting on the fate of the 1931 census. TNA ref: RG 20/109 (part). "You will regret to hear that in a fire last Saturday evening which gutted the Office of Works store containing our Census records at Hayes, the whole of the 1931 schedules, enumeration books, plans of division and miscellaneous material stored in cupboards etc were completely destroyed. Mr Farrow and I went down to inspect the remains yesterday and we are both satisfied that it would be useless to attempt any sort of salvage operation; we are leaving the Office of Works to clear and dispose of the debris in any way they think desirable." "The fire was not occasioned by enemy action and how it achieved such dimensions in a store in which special hydrants had been fitted and said to have been in charge of a fire guard of 6 paid watchers, is a mystery which will need investigation. It is hardly possible to imagine a more complete state of devastation than the scene presented to us in which it was impossible to see where some of the racks had stood and where the remains were nothing more than shapeless mounds of paper rubbish dragged outside the building by the firemen who tackled the fire and where even the least damaged sheets that were recognizable were charred to the depth of two or three inches on all edges....." Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Marie > > I think this was the destruction in an accidental fire of the UK 1931 > census > records. > > Jim >> Hi All, >> >> Quite recently someone posted a very interesting TNA link re destruction >> of WW1 records during WW11. It was a letter detailing the fire damage >> etc >> and possible cause. >> >> Unfortunately I must have deleted by mistake, cannot find in Archives as >> unsure of subject line. >> >> If someone could re-post this link I would be very obliged. Thank you in >> hope ! >> >> Marie

Hi Marie I think this was the destruction in an accidental fire of the UK 1931 census records. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Powell" <mariepowell@dsl.pipex.com> To: "Surrey Mailing List" <ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: [SRY] TNA link re WW1 records > > Hi All, > > Quite recently someone posted a very interesting TNA link re destruction > of WW1 records during WW11. It was a letter detailing the fire damage etc > and possible cause. > > Unfortunately I must have deleted by mistake, cannot find in Archives as > unsure of subject line. > > If someone could re-post this link I would be very obliged. Thank you in > hope ! > > Marie > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 07:31:00

Hi All, Quite recently someone posted a very interesting TNA link re destruction of WW1 records during WW11. It was a letter detailing the fire damage etc and possible cause. Unfortunately I must have deleted by mistake, cannot find in Archives as unsure of subject line. If someone could re-post this link I would be very obliged. Thank you in hope ! Marie

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, November 19, 1825: issue 3786. MARRIED John L. BLACKMORE, Esq., of Upper Norton-street, to Amelia, youngest daughter of the late John HITCHINS, Esq., of Garston Hall, Surrey.

Hi Caroline, Many thanks for the advice.  I have just taken up Ancestry's offer of the 14 day trial, and have made those finds.  That was well worth it & I will see how Ancestry's service fares. Once again, thank you for your help. Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. ---------------------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:07:00 -0000 From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [SRY] Family of John Warne CATHIE Hi Richard Situations like this are where the new Ancestry/LMA/Guildhall Library collaboration really works wonders.  Just go to the London Marriages 1754 - 1821 home page, input the father's name into the appropriate fields and hit enter.  The marriages of Sophia, Ellen and Jane all appear, as does John Snrs marriage to Margaretta and a number of others, some of which could well be wider family. :=>< SNIP Best wishes Caroline

Hi Richard Situations like this are where the new Ancestry/LMA/Guildhall Library collaboration really works wonders. Just go to the London Marriages 1754 - 1821 home page, input the father's name into the appropriate fields and hit enter. The marriages of Sophia, Ellen and Jane all appear, as does John Snrs marriage to Margaretta and a number of others, some of which could well be wider family. If you don't have access to Ancestry, or to this database, contact me direct and I will send you images. Ancestry is one data provider that (for the moment at least) positively encourages this kind of "sharing"! Best wishes Caroline > > Hi Listers, > > I have just started to look for information about the CATHIE family > which lived in Bermondsey and Lambeth in the period 1841 - 1871. > The father, John Warne CATHIE was a licensed victualler born in St > George Surrey circa 1820. John married Margeretta Louise SMARTat > Shoreditch in the March qtr of 1842.  MArgaretta was born in 1821 at > Bishopsgate without in Middlesex. > > In 1881, The family was at 83, Blackfriars Road, with John shown as a > wine merchant employing 1 clerk, 1 traveller, and 4 men.  The family > was at that address in 1861. > > I am trying to trace the lineage of their daughters, Sophia born in > Lambeth in 1835,  Ellenor in Lambeth or St Saviours MDX in 1838, and > Jane born in Lambeth in 1840. > > I have conducted a search for the daughters of John and Sophia CATHIE > in FreeBMD, with the following results:- > > Deaths, unmarried, before 1880.  None found. > > Marriages: - > >     Sophia - Mar qtr 1860 in Edmonton Vol 3a P142 to Joseph BATTSON or > to George REEVES. > > I could not fine Ellenor, and te next best finds were: > >     Ellen - Jun qtr 1862 at Pancras Vol 1b P104 to (T)homas? ADDISON or > to Douglas Nelson WILLIS > >     Ellen Sopha - Jun qtr 1862 at Romford Vol 4a P17 to Richard CULLEN > or to Ephraim MARCH > >     Jane - Jun qtr 1861 in Pancras Vol 1b P171 to Charles BRADFIELD or > to Arthur William STONEHOUSE > >     Jane - Mar qtr 1862 at Clerkenwell Vol 1b P599 to Walter Frederick > MIDDLEMAS or to Charles Edward PKE > > I then checked out the combinations of partners by searching the first > census after each marriage.  I came up with one possible marriage of > interest:- > >     1861 Census - Sophia REEVES, aged 26 and born in Middlesex > withGeorge REEVES > > Do any other names ring bells (No pun intended<G>) > > I would love to find descendants of the CATHIE girls. > > With best wishes > > Richard Brown > Bromley, Kent > U.K. > > > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, I have just started to look for information about the CATHIE family which lived in Bermondsey and Lambeth in the period 1841 - 1871.  The father, John Warne CATHIE was a licensed victualler born in St George Surrey circa 1820. John married Margeretta Louise SMARTat Shoreditch in the March qtr of 1842.  MArgaretta was born in 1821 at Bishopsgate without in Middlesex.   In 1881, The family was at 83, Blackfriars Road, with John shown as a wine merchant employing 1 clerk, 1 traveller, and 4 men.  The family was at that address in 1861. I am trying to trace the lineage of their daughters, Sophia born in Lambeth in 1835,  Ellenor in Lambeth or St Saviours MDX in 1838, and Jane born in Lambeth in 1840. I have conducted a search for the daughters of John and Sophia CATHIE in FreeBMD, with the following results:- Deaths, unmarried, before 1880.  None found. Marriages: -     Sophia - Mar qtr 1860 in Edmonton Vol 3a P142 to Joseph BATTSON or to George REEVES.  I could not fine Ellenor, and te next best finds were:     Ellen - Jun qtr 1862 at Pancras Vol 1b P104 to (T)homas? ADDISON or to Douglas Nelson WILLIS     Ellen Sopha - Jun qtr 1862 at Romford Vol 4a P17 to Richard CULLEN or to Ephraim MARCH     Jane - Jun qtr 1861 in Pancras Vol 1b P171 to Charles BRADFIELD or to Arthur William STONEHOUSE     Jane - Mar qtr 1862 at Clerkenwell Vol 1b P599 to Walter Frederick MIDDLEMAS or to Charles Edward PKE I then checked out the combinations of partners by searching the first census after each marriage.  I came up with one possible marriage of interest:-     1861 Census - Sophia REEVES, aged 26 and born in Middlesex withGeorge REEVES Do any other names ring bells (No pun intended<G>)  I would love to find descendants of the CATHIE girls. With best wishes Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K.

Hi Anne , Yes It makes it twice as difficult doesn't it. Many Thanks Cheri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chambers" <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] Clements baptisim >I seem to remember a list of corrections published either on this list or >the Middlesex one when the > Ancestry/LMA database first came online - Ancestry is not noted for > geographical correctness in its > >> From: "Anne Chambers"<anne.chambers@bigpond.com> >> To:<eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [SRY] Clements baptisim >> >> >>> Looks like 49 *[g/y/z]*rs St >>> >>> It's slightly clearer on Emma Frances' baptism in 1855 - I think it's >>> Tyers Street >>> >>> Anne >>> South Australia > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Nivard & Jk . Will do. Many thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message