Seeking info-WOODERSON-any era There is a transported convict in my family line, Charles Wooderson, born circa 1814-1818. He committed his crime in St Mary's Lambeth in 1832 and was transported to Australia in 1833 aboard the Andromeda II. His profession was (depending on the source) shoemaker, waterman, blanket weaver. If anyone can help with more information, it would be greatly appreciated. Louise Cause. _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a great date? Meet singles at ninemsn dating http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/

hi folks, i have an instance of what may be a double registration for a birth in 1913 births GRO James Raymond Dunn [Bearis] m1913 Reigate 2a371a Male Dunn [Bearis] m1913 Reigate SRY 2a371 The mum's maiden name is wrongly transcribed by FreeBMD here but i have left a postem to that effect. What i'm not sure of, is this an example of baby Raymond being registered before being named, then re-registered after his christening, or was a 2nd baby born who died before being christened? I haven't found a death registration that accounts for it. Thanks for your time & trouble folks. and thanks again to Alison for the delightfully overflowing xmas stocking's worth of goodies. lots of wee gold nuggets in there :-) le durachd Fionnghal

I have hit a brick wall with Hector J DONALDSON, (b Jan 1916) son of Frederick J DONALDSON & May Lydia HAWKINS (m. 1911). Frederick's family had a 'military' background and he was killed in action in WW1. His widow appears to have died when her son was aged about 5. Hector may have married in 1944, Surrey South Western. It would be great if someone had these people on their tree!

Thank you Caroline and Judy for the info on missing Arsenal records.I always appreciate any and all help. Sue On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Caroline Bradford < caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Sue > > Bad news, I am afraid. Even Santa himself cannot come up with the 1861 > census for Woolwich Arsenal (RG9/407) - it is one of those "missing" > pieces. > > > Best wishes > > Caroline > > > > My greatest gift would be to find: > > > > William Charles COOK and family on the 1861 Census. > > > > I have this family on 1841-51 and 1871 thru 1901 > > > > William Charles COOK b 1836 > > Ellen Caroline Twyman Cook b. 1834 > > James Thomas Cook b. 1858 Plumstead > > Albert Edwin Cook b. 1861 Woolwich > > > > 1861 they were living in: 14 Brook Hill Road Woolwich. William was a > > Wheelwright > > for the Royal Arsenal and may have been away from home but I can't find > > the > > family using Ellen Caroline as head of house. Did the Arsenal keep a > > census? > > If so where is the census kept? In 1901 the family was in 37 Billington > > Rd > > Deptford. Or by some chance would they be on a Kent Census? Any help > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you Santa for my wishful gift. > > > > Sue > > *************************************** > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > > superfluous old messages in replies. > > > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello James Rayner born 1797 married Sophia (french) came out of the army and lived and worked as a servant in Addiscomb Croydon where he was in the 1851 census living in Cherry Orchard Lane Croydon Surrey. Not in the 1861 that I can find and he could have returned to Braintree Essex where his daughter was living. Looking for his death date. Any help gratefully received. Merry Xmas Richard Get the best of the web - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/search

Hi Richard I don't see a James RAYNER born circa 1797 with or without a wife Sophia in Croydon in 1851 Can you supply the census page ref Its hard to look further without a starting point Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello > > James Rayner born 1797 married Sophia (french) came out of the army > and lived and worked as a servant in Addiscomb Croydon where he was in > the 1851 census living in Cherry Orchard Lane Croydon Surrey. > > Not in the 1861 that I can find and he could have returned to > Braintree Essex where his daughter was living. > > Looking for his death date. > > Any help gratefully received. > > Merry Xmas > > Richard

Thanks very much Anne, it certainly is a good idea, maybe if finances permit, Trevena -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Chambers Sent: 08 December 2009 06:36 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] December - was My Christmas Wish - Not sure if you have her baptism so here it is Indiana Eleanor Crouch Record Type: Baptism Date: 6 Jan 1819 Father's Name: Thomas Smith Crouch Mother's Name: Sarah Crouch Parish: Saint Mary At Lambeth Borough: Lambeth County: Middlesex A long shot - she had a brother Stephen Barton George Crouch Baptism 13 Oct 1816 Thomas Smith Crouch, Sarah Crouch Christ Church Southwark who died in 1869. Possibly if you find his marriage, there might be a Spademan/Spedman witness Anne South Australia Trevena wrote: > > I would like to find, for my Christmas wish, the husband of Indiana > Eleanor Crouch born in Lambeth in 1819, seemingly had two children, > possibly one, out of wedlock and then married a ????? Spademan. > Indiana's name has changed between the 1841 and 1861 census, cannot > find her on the 1851 census and one of her children, the other died, > is now called Emily Spademan, although they have spelt it Spedman. I > cannot find a marriage for this couple and know the name is right as a > living relative remembers a nanny Spadman. Thanks in advance, > Trevena > *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Vince Do you have wills for the two gentlemen concerned? There is definitely a PCC will for Fowler BEAN, and a likely one for Benjamin BROWNE too. You can download them for 3.50 GBP each from Documents Online (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp?WT.hp=Wills). Hope this helps Caroline > Hi! > > I've been tracing back some lines from India, and the oldest ancestor > I am finding so far is Apothecary Fowler BEAN (he declared bankruptcy > and is probably most famous for that!), who is married to Elizabeth > BROWNE. Now I found out that Fowler was a partner before 1787 to one > Benjamin BROWNE - however that man was deceased by that year. It > makes sense to me that Fowler had married his daughter... > > Does anyone have anything on these lines? I would like to know > everything possible, except about Fowler's bankruptcy! > > Thanks... > > Vince Summers > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

"Try looking at least 10 years after you think they were married......" Hi Sheila Thanks for the thought. Alas I've done that several times. Charles died in 1912. Liz > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 828 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Thanks to both you and Alyson for the info. Maybe my fellow researcher will be interested in this. I am flat-out busted. However, even the listing of them helps some. Vince On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Caroline Bradford <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Vince > > Do you have wills for the two gentlemen concerned?  There is definitely a > PCC will for Fowler BEAN, and a likely one for Benjamin BROWNE too.  You can > download them for 3.50 GBP each from Documents Online > (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp?WT.hp=Wills). > > Hope this helps > > Caroline > > >> Hi! >> >> I've been tracing back some lines from India, and the oldest ancestor >> I am finding so far is Apothecary Fowler BEAN (he declared bankruptcy >> and is probably most famous for that!), who is married to Elizabeth >> BROWNE.  Now I found out that Fowler was a partner before 1787 to one >> Benjamin BROWNE - however that man was deceased by that year.  It >> makes sense to me that Fowler had married his daughter... >> >> Does anyone have anything on these lines?  I would like to know >> everything possible, except about Fowler's bankruptcy! >> >> Thanks... >> >> Vince Summers >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://www.ehow.com/members/ds_7b3c7914-50da-4602-ad9f-8e0007b16ff9.html http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/333797/vincent_summers.html

Want to thank members of this list, especially Nivard Ovington and Joyce Sampson, for the assistance given. This has been the start of my Christmas wish come true. Bobbie

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Having just found accurate details for my gt grandmother I would like to find more on her siblings marriages /children Lots give birthplace as Scotland not Middx or Lambeth! after leaving home. Fraser John Alexander b 1814 [sometimes an equestrian] & Mary Ann Downey bc 1825 m 1845 Charles Alexander b 1845 Finsbury m Elizabeth Reading 1885 & Selina Steane 15 Mar 1891 ? issue not found in census [Celia] Eliza b 1849 Newington Louisa b1851 Newington Mary Ann b 1853 [mine] m Thos Wm Harding 1878 Thomas cb 1854 ?died in Bay of Biscay but no idea when & not in o'seas, naval military etc Willie b 1859 d 1909 m Sarah Ann ROBERTS & she & son Harold followed s William to USA Alice b 1862 Lambeth Alfred b 1864 Ada b 1867 m John Gamelielson lived Florida Edwin James b1869 m Annie Elizabeth Coleby-Clarke bc 1870 Lambeth d of William a musician, they emigrated to Aurora Kane County Illinois 1909 & 1910 with 4 children Augustus bc 1876 listed on census as brother of William [Willie] m Kate Proudman & disappeared 1910-11 most likely son of one of the daughters. Any descendants most welcome! Thanks Jo >

Hi Pat Have you tried the baptisms on Ancestry London Parish site? I found my gt grandmother's baptism which gave her birth date - she had always been a year out with only a vague birthplace? So had the only census found while a child I had been looking for 25+ years. Cheers Jo Pat Marshall wrote: > > My Christmas wish has been the same for many years now and that is too find a > marriage for my gg grandparents Joseph BROWN > and Caroline ALLSOP so that I can find their parents names and go further back with > my tree. > I have a birth certificate for my g grandmother ( their eldest daughter ) Caroline > Alice BROWN dated July 10 , 1870. She was born in Union Workhouse , > Guildford to Caroline BROWN and no father listed. The next sighting is the 1871 > census where I find Joseph age 23 , born Yorkshire, Caroline age 21 > born London ,Middlesex and baby Alice age 9 months born Guildford, living as lodgers > at the Old Kings Head Inn in Dorking , Surrey . > In 1881 they are living in Westcott , Surrey and Joseph's birthplace is Lambeth > ,Surrey age 27 and Caroline gives hers as Walworth , Surrey age 26. > In 1891 (age 45 ) and 1901 (age 54 ) Joseph's birthplace is listed as Bradford , > Yorkshire and Caroline in 1891 (age 43 ) has London , Walworth > and in 1901 (age 50 ) London , Borough . > Caroline and Joseph lived the rest of their lives in Westcott and had several more > children , including Joseph ,Elizabeth ,Ann , Henry , Fanny ,William , George and > James. It was from the birth registrations of some of these later children that I > learned that Caroline's maiden name was ALLSOP. > Strangely enough they were able to keep all their children's ages correct on various > census but not their own ages. > I would love to find a marriage for them or a baptism for Caroline because there are > too many Joseph BROWNs to order certs without a fathers name. > I am open to any and all suggestions the great people on this list may offer . > > Pat Marshall > Ontario , Canada > > Happy Holidays > > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Although they were born outside Surrey according to the 1841 census, have you tried searching for Mary Ann PAGE in the LMA baptism databases, picking out the Middlesex ones and then searching with the parents names to see if there is a baptism showing either a mother or a sister who fits Martha ? Ditto with the England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 - either of these searches would be time consuming as you would have to get each record up and then search for parents, but you never know. Other than that, have you looked for William Wallman on the 1841 census ? That may be a red herring, of course but if you can trace him, he could turn out to be a brother-in-law which might give you a few more clues. Anne South Australia rummins wrote: > Dear Listers, > > Does anybody there know about the early life of a Mary Ann Page? Can > somebody help me with this Christmas wish list? > > On the 2nd of August 1809 Mary Ann PAGE married John Rummin(g)s at St Giles, > Camberwell. > Sadly this was prior to the inclusion of the names of fathers in the church > registers so we do not know the Christian name of Mary Ann Page's father. > Without that there is no connection back to an earlier family generation. > Both Mary Ann and John were shown as "of full age" and "of this parish" at > the time of their marriage. > > The only clue we have in 1809 is that a Martha Page was one of the witness > to that event. But was she a sister or a mother? The other witness was a > William Wallman - again we do not know his relationship to either of the > couple. > > Another clue came from the 1841 census where both parties are shown as not > being born in the county of Surrey and born in or around 1784. Names of this > couple's known children are Isaac, Ann, Mary, William, John Thomas, Henry > and Martha Rummin(g)s-with all variations being used over the years between > 1810 and 1825. > > I am confident Mary Ann died in November 1850 at 5 Oak Cottages, Pomeroy St > Deptford prior to the 1851 census which would given us a birthplace for this > lady. Widower John Rummins, manservant and coachman, is apparently nowhere > to be seen on the 1851 census and he then died in 1860, again missing out on > giving a vital a clue to his birthplace in the census of 1861! > > We do not know the origins of either of the couple after many years of > searching for matching records pre 1809. The Page surname without a father's > name has proved too plentiful without further clues. > > So, has anybody misplaced a likely lady named Mary Ann Page? If so we would > be delighted to hear from you! > > Christmas Greetings, > Regards > Elizabeth > > Date: 12/06/09 03:41:00 > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Michael I have the three birth registrations for you which as its straying into the living person territory I will send off list One note, I do not find a Geoffrey but do find a Jeffrey in 1940 which looks a possible for him You may find its a bit of a trial tracing these in more recent times due to the surname, not exactly unusual :-( Ancestry have the births, marriages and deaths indexed now for the whole of civil registration up to 2005, you might find a trace of them by a thorough search in them which may lead you forward if with luck they marry someone with a more distinctive name but there is no guarantee of that unfortunately and it would involve certificates to prove the line Any of the childrens birth certs might give you Alfreds occupation but unlikely to say who employed him The dreaded genesreunited might be worth a try ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Well, I would hate to miss out on joining the Christmas wish list...you > never know if Santa's checking in. > > I would love to learn more about and meet descendants of Alfred J. Brown > (b. ??) and Lily Caroline E. Clifton (b. 1910), marriage recorded at > Camberwell, June 1935 and with children Veronica, Valerie and Geoffrey > (each likely born somewhere between 1933 and 1940). > > I believe Alf worked at the South Metropolitan Gas Company and, but can't > assume that is accurate. Already checked with them for records. > > Michael Clifton > Canada

Hi Margie Does James not mention her in his will? And have you checked all the other BOEVE and BOEVEY wills, in case she got a legacy from an aunt or cousin who might have been kind enough to be a bit more specific about her parentage? The mid 17th century is notoriously tricky for those fortunate enough to get back that far. The so-called "commonwealth gap" in records actually lasted much longer than the Commonwealth itself, as the new-fangled civil registration rules which Cromwell introduced during the Protectorate were not universally adhered to and many of the records were destroyed after the Restoration. Best wishes Caroline > > > My Christmas Wish would be to find records proving Elizabeth Boeve was > the daughter of James and (?) Boeve and her marriage to Sir (Captain) > William Hinton. Without these two confirming records I cannot prove > that this couple were or even might have been my ancestors. That is a > big difference! > > If I could be a time traveler, I would love to bring them to California > and have them sitting at my Christmas Dinner table and be able to keep > them as my guests for a day or so. I would be able to ask them the > many questions I have waiting for information I cannot locate. > > I have over 300 research pages written about James Boeve who married > three times and I have historical data which states that Elizabeth was > his daughter, but camnot locate any records showing her being born to > James Boeve and any of his wives though she was probably a child with > his first wife. Hmmm. > > James Boeve (Boevey and died in Cheam and was buried on 13 January > 1695 - his monumental stone is in Lumley Chapel. > > Sometimes too much information clouds the most vital piece of data > needed - maybe I can't see the forest for the trees? > > Margie Hinton in California > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue I suspect your stocking will remain empty for this request :-( The part of the census for the Arsenal Woolwich (RG9 407) is missing for 1861 That means its gone for good unfortunately Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My greatest gift would be to find: > > William Charles COOK and family on the 1861 Census. > > I have this family on 1841-51 and 1871 thru 1901 > > William Charles COOK b 1836 > Ellen Caroline Twyman Cook b. 1834 > James Thomas Cook b. 1858 Plumstead > Albert Edwin Cook b. 1861 Woolwich > > 1861 they were living in: 14 Brook Hill Road Woolwich. William was a > Wheelwright > for the Royal Arsenal and may have been away from home but I can't find > the > family using Ellen Caroline as head of house. Did the Arsenal keep a > census? > If so where is the census kept? In 1901 the family was in 37 Billington Rd > Deptford. Or by some chance would they be on a Kent Census? Any help > greatly appreciated. > > Thank you Santa for my wishful gift. > > Sue

Hi Sue Bad news, I am afraid. Even Santa himself cannot come up with the 1861 census for Woolwich Arsenal (RG9/407) - it is one of those "missing" pieces. Best wishes Caroline > > My greatest gift would be to find: > > William Charles COOK and family on the 1861 Census. > > I have this family on 1841-51 and 1871 thru 1901 > > William Charles COOK b 1836 > Ellen Caroline Twyman Cook b. 1834 > James Thomas Cook b. 1858 Plumstead > Albert Edwin Cook b. 1861 Woolwich > > 1861 they were living in: 14 Brook Hill Road Woolwich. William was a > Wheelwright > for the Royal Arsenal and may have been away from home but I can't find > the > family using Ellen Caroline as head of house. Did the Arsenal keep a > census? > If so where is the census kept? In 1901 the family was in 37 Billington > Rd > Deptford. Or by some chance would they be on a Kent Census? Any help > greatly appreciated. > > Thank you Santa for my wishful gift. > > Sue > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message