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    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Shirley Forster
    3. I think it would be a good idea as well. The boundaries have changed over the years and researchers do get confused as to where they should be looking. Shirley Forster ELWICK web page: www.elwick.info Pirbright web page: www.pirbright.info On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:27 PM Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > > So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise > of rootsweb lists > > What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey > > There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might > attract more posts > > What are your thoughts? > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > _______________________________________________ > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous > old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure > the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey > . > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    01/12/2020 10:49:22
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Hi all, shall I set up a group called 'GREATER_LONON' and say it includes those parts of adjacent counties which have historically been seen as parts of Greater London. But would also say that there are other lists for the counties of Kent and Surrey as a whole. Particularly I could state what boroughs are/are not included. Giving it the name of Greater London does not preclude adding in other parts of neighbouring counties as time goes by I have lived in the South East of England for the majority of my life, much of that time in London and never more than 1 hr distance from Tower Bridge. So I know a little bit about the subject! David -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> Sent: 12 January 2020 14:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST Hi David Historically boundaries have shifted and administrative areas come and gone I would like to have seen a list covering say the home counties But that bird has flown, there already lists for Kent and I know Bucks are being talked about And then there are other platforms like Googlegroups where I find it a devils own game to even find a list so won't even go there So for now what I propose is a list covering Surrey, Middlesex and London Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/01/2020 13:08, David Banks via ENG-SURREY wrote: > Hi > Just a few things to contemplate: London is surrounded by 6 counties, in clockwise direction, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Essex, Kent and Surrey. There was once the Greater London Council (GLC) which governed 'Greater London' and included those parts of the six neighbouring counties that 'appeared' to be in London. This was done for political reasons as the 'experts' at the time deemed that the middle of London was 'socialist' and the 'suburbs' i.e. the county portions, were 'conservative' and there needed to be a balance, the most blatant example of gerrymandering in modern history. > So, do we merge London with 6 other counties just because Kent and > Surrey have the largest chunks in London or do we ignore the other 4. > It’s a given that Middlesex is London. So what do we do about the bits > that aren’t London in Surrey and Kent, there is an awful lot in these _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 09:43:39
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Kid
    3. I agree-the boundaries of Surrey/Middlesex/London get pretty blurry over the years, and I’ve spent forever tracking down people in the wrong county (of course, my lack of UK knowledge contributes)... Regards, Karin Sent from my iPad > On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Jennifer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Excellent idea Nivard . . . I have interests in all three areas . . . Sussex and Kent, too. Perhaps a combined one for the whole SE?? :o) > > Jennifer > > > So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise of rootsweb lists > > What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey > > There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might attract more posts > > What are your thoughts? > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > _______________________________________________ > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey > . > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 08:25:23
    1. [SRY] Re: Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests
    2. Peter Harris
    3. David, I also remember punched cards and also paper tape! If consideration is to be given to widening the scope of the list to Greater London or the 6 Counties surrounding London we should not restrict to the original boundaries. How many newbies to genealogy (or us oldies for that matter) would know where they lie? We are here to help each other and I for one would not worry about location when trying to decide to respond positively or try to gently direct them to another list (assuming there is one). Currently both Surrey & Middlesex lists cover the complete Counties and Nivard's intention, which I fully support, is to continue that coverage in the new group. Peter -----Original Message----- From: David Banks via ENG-SURREY [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 January 2020 10:54 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] Re: Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests Hi Just a few things to contemplate: London is surrounded by 6 counties, in clockwise direction, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Essex, Kent and Surrey. There was once the Greater London Council (GLC) which governed 'Greater London' and included those parts of the six neighbouring counties that 'appeared' to be in London. This was done for political reasons as the 'experts' at the time deemed that the middle of London was 'socialist' and the 'suburbs' i.e. the county portions, were 'conservative' and there needed to be a balance, the most blatant example of gerrymandering in modern history. So, do we merge London with 6 other counties just because Kent and Surrey have the largest chunks in London or do we ignore the other 4. It's a given that Middlesex is London. So what do we do about the bits that aren't London in Surrey and Kent, there is an awful lot in these counties that would be left out. Who is going to decide where the 'London' border will be in Surrey and Kent given that we are talking about the status in the 18th, 19th and 20th century and not present day boundaries? Will the individual county lists state the parts that could historically be in London may NOT be included in that list or will they be duplicated. Liaison between the list moderators should determine where the boundaries are to avoid confusion. I think that the list should be named 'Greater London'. Whoever sets up this new list will have to specifically state that the boundaries are based on the past and list the portions of the counties that will be in Greater London. My specific interests are Camberwell (Surrey), Deptford (Kent), and Greenwich (Kent). I notice that the io system allows for sub-groups and linking of groups to other groups, maybe this would be the answer. I haven't researched it enough yet, perhaps this is a way of putting all the bits of London into one list but being able to access it from other groups? Just a few thoughts from somebody who has designed databases and been in IT for over 45 years. Anybody remember punched cards! David -----Original Message----- From: Desley Revell <[email protected]> Sent: 12 January 2020 09:17 To: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests Hi Nivard I would love to see the three combined. I also have twigs in Surrey and London. Parts of London are also included in Middlesex (am I correct?) so this would be perfect for me. I think you are doing a great job Nivard. You seem to be always there to assist others, myself included over the years and it is much appreciated. Desley Brisbane, Australia _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 07:56:51
    1. [SRY] Re: ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 15, Issue 5
    2. Chris Gilham
    3. Hello Nivard Merging the areas - initially (possibly?) to see how busy each area is - sounds a great idea. Chris Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 2:15:42 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 15, Issue 5 Send ENG-SURREY mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to [email protected] To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ENG-SURREY digest..." If you'd like your Digest format changed, please don't hesitate to contact me at the Surrey List Admin address: [email protected] To send a reply, or a new message to the List send it to [email protected] When replying to an earlier message please change the Subject line to reflect the content, and trim away unnecessary parts of earlier postings. Always use Plain Text for List Messages - if unsure contact List Admin for help. Today's Topics: 1. Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST (Veronica Barr) 2. ALTERNATIVE LIST (Jennifer) 3. Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST (Jenny Meadows) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 15:40:47 -0800 From: "Veronica Barr" <[email protected]> Subject: [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST To: <[email protected]> Cc: "'Nivard Ovington'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Great idea. The list can always be divided if on "County" gets busy. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 11 January, 2020 3:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] ALTERNATIVE LIST So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise of rootsweb lists What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might attract more posts What are your thoughts? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. 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I have interests in all three areas . . . Sussex and Kent, too. Perhaps a combined one for the whole SE?? :o) Jennifer So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise of rootsweb lists What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might attract more posts What are your thoughts? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 00:59:20 +0000 From: "Jenny Meadows" <[email protected]> Subject: [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Hi Nivard, I think that's a great idea! Jen Meadows in Sydney Au ------ Original Message ------ On: 12/01/2020 Nivard Ovington wrote: Subject: [SRY] ALTERNATIVE LIST > >So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise >of rootsweb lists > >What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & >Surrey > >There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might >attract more posts > >What are your thoughts? > > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)[email protected] To post a message to the ENG-SURREY mailing list -- [email protected], send an email to %(real_name)[email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to %(real_name)[email protected]%(host_name)s with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 15, Issue 5 *****************************************

    01/12/2020 07:53:08
    1. [SRY] Re: Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests
    2. Michael & Diane Wynne
    3. On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 15:24, David Banks via ENG-SURREY < [email protected]> wrote: > . Anybody remember punched cards! > Started in IT as a programmer in 1964. Remember carrying tin boxes of punched cards around to load the programs into the huge IBM machines. Took a number of cards home which I cut in half to create an index for each member of my family - I still have them. Diane On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 15:24, David Banks via ENG-SURREY < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi > Just a few things to contemplate: London is surrounded by 6 counties, in > clockwise direction, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Essex, Kent > and Surrey. There was once the Greater London Council (GLC) which governed > 'Greater London' and included those parts of the six neighbouring counties > that 'appeared' to be in London. This was done for political reasons as the > 'experts' at the time deemed that the middle of London was 'socialist' and > the 'suburbs' i.e. the county portions, were 'conservative' and there > needed > to be a balance, the most blatant example of gerrymandering in modern > history. > So, do we merge London with 6 other counties just because Kent and Surrey > have the largest chunks in London or do we ignore the other 4. It's a given > that Middlesex is London. So what do we do about the bits that aren't > London > in Surrey and Kent, there is an awful lot in these counties that would be > left out. Who is going to decide where the 'London' border will be in > Surrey > and Kent given that we are talking about the status in the 18th, 19th and > 20th century and not present day boundaries? Will the individual county > lists state the parts that could historically be in London may NOT be > included in that list or will they be duplicated. Liaison between the list > moderators should determine where the boundaries are to avoid confusion. > I think that the list should be named 'Greater London'. Whoever sets up > this > new list will have to specifically state that the boundaries are based on > the past and list the portions of the counties that will be in Greater > London. My specific interests are Camberwell (Surrey), Deptford (Kent), and > Greenwich (Kent). > I notice that the io system allows for sub-groups and linking of groups to > other groups, maybe this would be the answer. I haven't researched it > enough > yet, perhaps this is a way of putting all the bits of London into one list > but being able to access it from other groups? > > Just a few thoughts from somebody who has designed databases and been in IT > for over 45 years. Anybody remember punched cards! > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Desley Revell <[email protected]> > Sent: 12 January 2020 09:17 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SRY] Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests > > Hi Nivard > > I would love to see the three combined. I also have twigs in Surrey and > London. Parts of London are also included in Middlesex (am I correct?) so > this would be perfect for me. > > I think you are doing a great job Nivard. You seem to be always there to > assist others, myself included over the years and it is much appreciated. > > Desley > Brisbane, Australia > > > _______________________________________________ > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous > old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure > the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey > . > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    01/12/2020 07:50:05
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Donna Casey
    3. For what my little and far-away voice/vote is worth....I am in support of your suggestion for London, MDX, Surrey etc., Nivard.I have lots in that area c1550 - 1700 to still research...albeit my book of 408 pgs 32 pgs index & 10 pg of appendices was finally printed/published on December 14th!  Genealogy and its research is never done...but publish and share what you have discovered or no one else will have the opportunity to confirm or dispute! Donna TILLINGHAST CaseyMichigan, USA "We cannot stay home all our lives, we must present ourselves to the world and we must look upon it as an adventure." Beatrix Potter Heelis, 1866 - 1943 On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 9:32:27 AM EST, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: Hi David Historically boundaries have shifted and administrative areas come and gone I would like to have seen a list covering say the home counties But that bird has flown, there already lists for Kent and I know Bucks are being talked about And then there are other platforms like Googlegroups where I find it a devils own game to even find a list so won't even go there So for now what I propose is a list covering Surrey, Middlesex and London Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/01/2020 13:08, David Banks via ENG-SURREY wrote: > Hi > Just a few things to contemplate: London is surrounded by 6 counties, in clockwise direction, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Essex, Kent and Surrey. There was once the Greater London Council (GLC) which governed 'Greater London' and included those parts of the six neighbouring counties that 'appeared' to be in London. This was done for political reasons as the 'experts' at the time deemed that the middle of London was 'socialist' and the 'suburbs' i.e. the county portions, were 'conservative' and there needed to be a balance, the most blatant example of gerrymandering in modern history. > So, do we merge London with 6 other counties just because Kent and Surrey have the largest chunks in London or do we ignore the other 4. It’s a given that Middlesex is London. So what do we do about the bits that aren’t London in Surrey and Kent, there is an awful lot in these _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at:  [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 07:45:11
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Nivard Ovington
    3. Hi David Historically boundaries have shifted and administrative areas come and gone I would like to have seen a list covering say the home counties But that bird has flown, there already lists for Kent and I know Bucks are being talked about And then there are other platforms like Googlegroups where I find it a devils own game to even find a list so won't even go there So for now what I propose is a list covering Surrey, Middlesex and London Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/01/2020 13:08, David Banks via ENG-SURREY wrote: > Hi > Just a few things to contemplate: London is surrounded by 6 counties, in clockwise direction, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Essex, Kent and Surrey. There was once the Greater London Council (GLC) which governed 'Greater London' and included those parts of the six neighbouring counties that 'appeared' to be in London. This was done for political reasons as the 'experts' at the time deemed that the middle of London was 'socialist' and the 'suburbs' i.e. the county portions, were 'conservative' and there needed to be a balance, the most blatant example of gerrymandering in modern history. > So, do we merge London with 6 other counties just because Kent and Surrey have the largest chunks in London or do we ignore the other 4. It’s a given that Middlesex is London. So what do we do about the bits that aren’t London in Surrey and Kent, there is an awful lot in these

    01/12/2020 07:31:55
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Nivard Ovington
    3. Hi Jennifer Well I would have suggested that, ie a South East list or the home counties perhaps But I know that Kent has already got a new home, Hampshire has too There are now 87 lists on io groups with Rootsweb in their description ie they originated as Rootsweb lists So the horse has bolted I am afraid Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/01/2020 23:51, Jennifer wrote: > Excellent idea Nivard . . . I have interests in all three areas . . . > Sussex and Kent, too.  Perhaps a combined one for the whole SE?? :o) > > Jennifer

    01/12/2020 07:27:38
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Hi Just a few things to contemplate: London is surrounded by 6 counties, in clockwise direction, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Essex, Kent and Surrey. There was once the Greater London Council (GLC) which governed 'Greater London' and included those parts of the six neighbouring counties that 'appeared' to be in London. This was done for political reasons as the 'experts' at the time deemed that the middle of London was 'socialist' and the 'suburbs' i.e. the county portions, were 'conservative' and there needed to be a balance, the most blatant example of gerrymandering in modern history. So, do we merge London with 6 other counties just because Kent and Surrey have the largest chunks in London or do we ignore the other 4. It’s a given that Middlesex is London. So what do we do about the bits that aren’t London in Surrey and Kent, there is an awful lot in these counties that would be left out. Who is going to decide where the 'London' border will be in Surrey and Kent given that we are talking about the status in the 18th, 19th and 20th century and not present day boundaries? Will the individual county lists state the parts that could historically be in London may NOT be included in that list or will they be duplicated. Liaison between the list moderators should determine where the boundaries are to avoid confusion. I think that the list should be named 'Greater London'. Whoever sets up this new list will have to specifically state that the boundaries are based on the past and list the portions of the counties that will be in Greater London. My specific interests are Camberwell (Surrey), Deptford (Kent), and Greenwich (Kent). I notice that the io system allows for sub-groups and linking of groups to other groups, maybe this would be the answer. I haven’t researched it enough yet, perhaps this is a way of putting all the bits of London into one list but being able to access it from other groups? Just a few thoughts from somebody who has designed databases and been in IT for over 45 years. Anybody remember punched cards! David -----Original Message----- From: Mick via ENG-SURREY <[email protected]> Sent: 12 January 2020 12:53 To: [email protected] Cc: Mick <[email protected]> Subject: [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST I would agree & it would keep the Surrey list going.You certainly are putting a lot of work into keeping the lists going on.ThanksMick So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise of rootsweb lists What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might attract more posts What are your thoughts? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 06:08:20
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Mick
    3. I would agree & it would keep the Surrey list going.You certainly are putting a lot of work into keeping the lists going on.ThanksMick So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise of rootsweb lists What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might attract more posts What are your thoughts? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at:  [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 05:52:42
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Jean Wilson
    3. I would like to join as well I have Surrey and London but not sure how to do it Nivard ? and thanks for your help in the past still looking for Emma Louisa Buckley nee STEVENS in 1911 census she died 1922 mile end road Jean Wilson Perth West Australia -----Original Message----- From: Joan Joselyn via ENG-SURREY Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:59 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Joan Joselyn Subject: [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST Am very interested to read these posts as I hope to resume my research after 10 years away from it. I echo Desley's "thanks" to you, Nivard. You've helped me so much in the dim & distant past! Joan UK On 12/01/2020 07:26, Amanda Kerby wrote: > Sounds like a good idea Nivard. I'd subscribe to it! Will be getting > back into doing another bit of the Surrey tree soon so would be useful > to have somewhere to post if I get stuck or need help. > Amanda Kerby > NZ > > _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 04:48:16
    1. [SRY] Re: Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests
    2. Jan Moon
    3. Agree this would be great Nivard. Onward and upwards! Janet Moon Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Desley Revell <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 7:17:07 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [SRY] Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests Hi Nivard I would love to see the three combined. I also have twigs in Surrey and London. Parts of London are also included in Middlesex (am I correct?) so this would be perfect for me. I think you are doing a great job Nivard. You seem to be always there to assist others, myself included over the years and it is much appreciated. Desley Brisbane, Australia _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.com%2Fth%2Findex%3Flist%3Deng-surrey&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C42d170c3f7be4331b50408d797448f5c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637144193026195122&amp;sdata=3yr7xHshonxT7k6ynBfQwFrq9O1rAfqD6w31FEfa5is%3D&amp;reserved=0 . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C42d170c3f7be4331b50408d797448f5c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637144193026205128&amp;sdata=nf7rW2Mu6LBNZiY3wAt22%2Fa2aFVi%2BOD%2BJYkXlByaSHM%3D&amp;reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Feng-surrey%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C42d170c3f7be4331b50408d797448f5c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637144193026205128&amp;sdata=9nex5rD2BwHTCpX2rdwnJ87XgamDCFnzAK88U5z%2B4nU%3D&amp;reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C42d170c3f7be4331b50408d797448f5c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637144193026205128&amp;sdata=llk8UEDWf3y%2BQ35cc1khnyFet4pPaK1NJJKVmNOZXJk%3D&amp;reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C42d170c3f7be4331b50408d797448f5c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637144193026205128&amp;sdata=C6fNSY9CP36oI3BzRjAFPtM2Hd%2B3jpvpeaOLt8ynzK4%3D&amp;reserved=0 Rootsweb Blog: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C42d170c3f7be4331b50408d797448f5c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637144193026205128&amp;sdata=5SE%2FwLRgV%2Bbh11P%2FCcUCPBRLeadWvNYNfTe1jeeWWf0%3D&amp;reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 04:05:34
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Joan Joselyn
    3. Am very interested to read these posts as I hope to resume my research after 10 years away from it. I echo Desley's "thanks" to you, Nivard. You've helped me so much in the dim & distant past! Joan UK On 12/01/2020 07:26, Amanda Kerby wrote: > Sounds like a good idea Nivard. I'd subscribe to it! Will be getting > back into doing another bit of the Surrey tree soon so would be useful > to have somewhere to post if I get stuck or need help. > Amanda Kerby > NZ > >

    01/12/2020 03:59:03
    1. [SRY] Re: Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests
    2. Hi Just a few things to contemplate: London is surrounded by 6 counties, in clockwise direction, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Essex, Kent and Surrey. There was once the Greater London Council (GLC) which governed 'Greater London' and included those parts of the six neighbouring counties that 'appeared' to be in London. This was done for political reasons as the 'experts' at the time deemed that the middle of London was 'socialist' and the 'suburbs' i.e. the county portions, were 'conservative' and there needed to be a balance, the most blatant example of gerrymandering in modern history. So, do we merge London with 6 other counties just because Kent and Surrey have the largest chunks in London or do we ignore the other 4. It's a given that Middlesex is London. So what do we do about the bits that aren't London in Surrey and Kent, there is an awful lot in these counties that would be left out. Who is going to decide where the 'London' border will be in Surrey and Kent given that we are talking about the status in the 18th, 19th and 20th century and not present day boundaries? Will the individual county lists state the parts that could historically be in London may NOT be included in that list or will they be duplicated. Liaison between the list moderators should determine where the boundaries are to avoid confusion. I think that the list should be named 'Greater London'. Whoever sets up this new list will have to specifically state that the boundaries are based on the past and list the portions of the counties that will be in Greater London. My specific interests are Camberwell (Surrey), Deptford (Kent), and Greenwich (Kent). I notice that the io system allows for sub-groups and linking of groups to other groups, maybe this would be the answer. I haven't researched it enough yet, perhaps this is a way of putting all the bits of London into one list but being able to access it from other groups? Just a few thoughts from somebody who has designed databases and been in IT for over 45 years. Anybody remember punched cards! David -----Original Message----- From: Desley Revell <[email protected]> Sent: 12 January 2020 09:17 To: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests Hi Nivard I would love to see the three combined. I also have twigs in Surrey and London. Parts of London are also included in Middlesex (am I correct?) so this would be perfect for me. I think you are doing a great job Nivard. You seem to be always there to assist others, myself included over the years and it is much appreciated. Desley Brisbane, Australia

    01/12/2020 03:53:43
    1. [SRY] Amalgamation of Surrey, Middlesex & London Digests
    2. Desley Revell
    3. Hi Nivard I would love to see the three combined. I also have twigs in Surrey and London. Parts of London are also included in Middlesex (am I correct?) so this would be perfect for me. I think you are doing a great job Nivard. You seem to be always there to assist others, myself included over the years and it is much appreciated. Desley Brisbane, Australia

    01/12/2020 02:17:07
    1. [SRY] Re: ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 15, Issue 2
    2. julia pannell
    3. Great idea. Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Jan 2020, at 17:57, [email protected] wrote: > > Send ENG-SURREY mailing list submissions to [email protected] > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ENG-SURREY digest..." > > If you'd like your Digest format changed, please don't hesitate to contact me at the Surrey List Admin address: > [email protected] > > To send a reply, or a new message to the List send it to [email protected] > > When replying to an earlier message please change the Subject line to reflect the content, and trim away unnecessary parts of earlier postings. Always use Plain Text for List Messages - if unsure contact List Admin for help. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. ALTERNATIVE LIST (Nivard Ovington) > 2. Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST (Rosemary Probert) > 3. Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST (Amanda Kerby) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 23:27:33 +0000 > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > Subject: [SRY] ALTERNATIVE LIST > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise > of rootsweb lists > > What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey > > There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might > attract more posts > > What are your thoughts? > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 06:45:17 +0000 > From: Rosemary Probert <[email protected]> > Subject: [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have quite a few twigs in the south-east so a merged group would be > good for me. > > Who would set it up? > > Rosemary > > >> On 11/01/2020 23:27, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> >> So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise >> of rootsweb lists >> >> What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey >> >> There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might >> attract more posts >> >> What are your thoughts? >> >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 20:26:02 +1300 > From: "Amanda Kerby" <[email protected]> > Subject: [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sounds like a good idea Nivard. I'd subscribe to it! Will be getting > back into doing another bit of the Surrey tree soon so would be useful > to have somewhere to post if I get stuck or need help. > Amanda Kerby > NZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rosemary Probert <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, 12 January 2020 7:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST > > I have quite a few twigs in the south-east so a merged group would be > good for me. > > Who would set it up? > > Rosemary > > >> On 11/01/2020 23:27, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> >> So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the >> demise of rootsweb lists >> >> What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & >> Surrey >> >> There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list > might >> attract more posts >> >> What are your thoughts? >> >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > _______________________________________________ > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* > superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are > replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to > which you are responding.. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey > . > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to > %(real_name)[email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-SURREY mailing list -- [email protected], send an email to %(real_name)[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to %(real_name)[email protected]%(host_name)s > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 15, Issue 2 > *****************************************

    01/12/2020 01:18:03
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. PJK
    3. I think it’s a great idea. As others have said, so many of *our* people crossed the borders of Surrey, London & Middlesex, so having one list that includes all 3 areas makes sense. Thank you ???? Pat.xxx :o) A Maid of Kent. From: Nivard Ovington Sent: 11 January 2020 23:27 To: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] ALTERNATIVE LIST So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the demise of rootsweb lists What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might attract more posts What are your thoughts? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 01:02:35
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Adrian Pitts
    3. Good idea Nivard. Adrian > > So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the > demise of rootsweb lists > > What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & Surrey > > There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might > attract more posts > > What are your thoughts? > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

    01/12/2020 12:53:45
    1. [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST
    2. Amanda Kerby
    3. Sounds like a good idea Nivard. I'd subscribe to it! Will be getting back into doing another bit of the Surrey tree soon so would be useful to have somewhere to post if I get stuck or need help. Amanda Kerby NZ -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Probert <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 12 January 2020 7:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] Re: ALTERNATIVE LIST I have quite a few twigs in the south-east so a merged group would be good for me. Who would set it up? Rosemary On 11/01/2020 23:27, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > So far I haven't heard from the admin of this list regarding the > demise of rootsweb lists > > What I would propose is a merging of lists for London, Middlesex & > Surrey > > There have been few posts on all three and perhaps a merged list might > attract more posts > > What are your thoughts? > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ . *************************************** Send your List messages using *PLAIN TEXT*, always *delete* superfluous old messages in replies EXCEPT the one to which you are replying and ensure the subject line reflects that of the message to which you are responding.. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] The List Archives, containing all messages posted, can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=eng-surrey . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 12:26:02