Hi All, I have just re-joined this list. I am doing a one name study on BRETTELL/BRETTLE and variants. At present I am searching for information on George Brettle who owned a hosiery factory (England's largest at one time) in Belper. I have the following information: Some very handsome monuments and inscribed tablets are affixed against the walls of St. Matthew's Church at Brixton. At the east end, the most remarkable are those commemorative of George Brettle, Esq., of Raleigh Lodge, Brixton-hill (born 1st Jan. 1778, died 18th Oct. 1835)... This was obtained from http://www.archive.org/stream/historyandantiq00tansgoog/historyandantiq00tansgoog_djvu.txt I am trying to discover who were the parents of George Brettle of Raleigh Lodge Brixton Hill born 1st January 1778. Regards and thanks MaryB.

Hi Bill Alfred and son Wm Watson appear to be Tin smiths Fred Charles is A Plumber John Teacher school as is Geo Alfred Walter Henry appears to be Clerk in ?? Maint? as in Maintenace? not sure Bertha is a dressmaker Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi > > Once again I am going to have to turn to you for answers. > > I am trying to figure out what the occupation of one Fred Charles Jones > and his brothers. He is the son of Alfred Charles Jones. I have found > him on the 1891 census for Croydon. RG 121/588 > > In that same Jones family there is a son John. His occupation seems to > be "Teacher School" but the "teacher" seems to be too long. Also, > Walter Henry's occupation is "Clerk in ........" > > Actually, another occupation question, this one is for his father > Alfred. I can make out what I think is tin smith but what is the "& c" > for? > > Thank you > Bill in cloudy Washington State

Wow! what a find. I'd call that 'winning a watch' as we say! :-) Fionnghal > From: Chris Townsend <[email protected]> > Hello Mary, > > In family history research, a question worth asking > yourself is "Has it been > done before?"  To this end, I find there's a recent > book "Brettles of Belper".  See > > http://www.belpernews.co.uk/news/local/book_to_tell_story_of_historic_brettles_1_3390120 > > "Set over more than 200 pages, 'Brettles of Belper' will > cover the history > of the hosiery manufacturer from its > very beginning to the present day" etc............

Hello Mary, In family history research, a question worth asking yourself is "Has it been done before?" To this end, I find there's a recent book "Brettles of Belper". See http://www.belpernews.co.uk/news/local/book_to_tell_story_of_historic_brettles_1_3390120 "Set over more than 200 pages, 'Brettles of Belper' will cover the history of the hosiery manufacturer from its very beginning to the present day" etc. If you wish to buy a copy you might contact the company in Belper. Best wishes, Chris Townsend > Hi All, > > I have just re-joined this list. I am doing a one name study on > BRETTELL/BRETTLE and variants. > > At present I am searching for information on George Brettle who owned a > hosiery factory (England's largest at one time) in Belper. > > I have the following information: > > Some very handsome monuments and inscribed tablets are affixed against > the walls of St. Matthew's Church at Brixton. At the east end, the most > remarkable are those commemorative of George Brettle, Esq., of Raleigh > Lodge, Brixton-hill (born 1st Jan. 1778, died 18th Oct. 1835)... > This was obtained from > http://www.archive.org/stream/historyandantiq00tansgoog/historyandantiq00tansgoog_djvu.txt > > I am trying to discover who were the parents of George Brettle of > Raleigh Lodge Brixton Hill born 1st January 1778. > > Regards and thanks > > MaryB.

15th attempt Hi Bill It helps greatly to give the full reference for a census Which in your case is :- RG12; Piece: 588; Folio 13; Page 20 Alfred Chas = Tinsmith ?? Fred Chas = Plumber John & Geo Alfred = Teacher School Walter Henry = Clerk in Man'fr (Manufacturer) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi > > Once again I am going to have to turn to you for answers. > > I am trying to figure out what the occupation of one Fred Charles Jones > and his brothers. He is the son of Alfred Charles Jones. I have found > him on the 1891 census for Croydon. RG 121/588 > > In that same Jones family there is a son John. His occupation seems to > be "Teacher School" but the "teacher" seems to be too long. Also, > Walter Henry's occupation is "Clerk in ........" > > Actually, another occupation question, this one is for his father > Alfred. I can make out what I think is tin smith but what is the "& c" > for? > > Thank you > Bill in cloudy Washington State

Hi just one of your points &c - etc - etcetera - and other things. Covers a multitude. Maybe partime ironmonger or blacksmith in a small way? the occasional horse shoe? Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dalton" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:06 AM Subject: [SRY] A few occupation questions > Hi > > Once again I am going to have to turn to you for answers. > <snip> > Actually, another occupation question, this one is for his father > Alfred. I can make out what I think is tin smith but what is the "& c" > for? > > Thank you > Bill in cloudy Washington State

Hi Mary According to St Mary Baptisms cd 1746 - 1804 transcription produced by East Surrey FHS, Ann BRETTLE born: 7 November 1797 Baptised: 5 January 1798 Father: George BRETTLE Mother: Ann This is the only BRETTLE Baptism on this cd. Hope this helps Regards Mo *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Maureen Burton Member ESFHS

Here's a useful link, Mary. though it suggests Victorian era, it lists useful info relating to earlier periods for the different churches ranked under their denominations. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/churches.html le durachd fionnghal > From: Mary Brettell <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Raleigh Lodge and Brixton parish registers pre 1824 - > St Matthews Church, where the inscription below is located, seems to > have opened in 1824 so I need to know what parishes would > have been around in the area in 1778 and how to get hold of them.

In 1778 St Mary, Lambeth would be the church to cover Brixton. The records are at LMA. East Surrey FHS have published the baptisms for this period at St Mary's on their CD5. Obviously there's no guarantee he was baptised there. I expect you've seen the IGI entry for a (younger) George Henry Brettle's baptism on 4 Aug 1819 at St Mary's. Ann From: "Mary Brettell" <[email protected]> > > At present I am searching for information on George Brettle who owned a > hosiery factory (England's largest at one time) in Belper. > > I have the following information: > > Some very handsome monuments and inscribed tablets are affixed against > the walls of St. Matthew's Church at Brixton. At the east end, the most > remarkable are those commemorative of George Brettle, Esq., of Raleigh > Lodge, Brixton-hill (born 1st Jan. 1778, died 18th Oct. 1835)... > This was obtained from > http://www.archive.org/stream/historyandantiq00tansgoog/historyandantiq00tansgoog_djvu.txt > > I am trying to discover who were the parents of George Brettle of > Raleigh Lodge Brixton Hill born 1st January 1778.

hullo Mary, I've had no luck finding your George Brettle's birth, however, in the passing, i've found two reports of his death in the papers and a few other snippets which might just suggest Derbyshire origins: The Derby Mercury, Wed 21 Oct 1835; Issue 5388. > "On the 18th inst, at Belper, in this county, in his 58th year, much lamented & deservedly respected, GEORGE BRETTLE, esq., of Wood St, Cheapside, London and of Raleigh lodge, Brixton, SRY." The Belfast News-Letter (Belfast, Ireland), Tue 10 Nov, 1835; Issue 10266 > "GEORGE BRETTLE, esq, who died at Belpher [sic] last week was the most extensive owner of stocking frames in the kingdom. In and about Belpher he employed 1,600 frames, chiefly for the making of cotton stockings. Mr Belpher is said to have died worth several hundred thousand pounds." additionally, the eldest daughter marries a month earlier: The Leeds Mercury, Sat 12 Sept 1835; Issue 3507 > "Same day [Thursday] at St Matthew's, Brixton, by the Rev Edwin Rodgers, A.M., the Rev CHARLES JOLLANDS, rector of Little Mundon[?], Herts, to MARY, eldest dau of GEORGE BRETTLE, esq, of Raleigh Lodge, Brixton." he lost another daughter - 2 mentions of her: Jackson's Oxford Journal (Oxford), Sat, 18 Oct 1828; Issue 3938 > "Died, EMMA, 2nd dau of GEORGE BRETTLE, esq., of Brixton Hill, SRY" more info in: The Morning Chronicle (London), Tue 7 Oct 1828; Issue 18427. > "Died, At Brighton, on 4th inst., Miss EMMA BRETTLE, 2nd dau of GEORGE BRETTLE, esq., of Brixton Hill, SRY and Wood St London, in the 13th year of her age. Her truly amiable qualities had justly endeared her much affected parents." an EMMA BRETTLE was chr.10 DEC 1815 St Mary, Lambeth dau of George & Mary Brettle IGI p006281 & c009407 an 1819 advert gives his Wood street address as no. 119 Wood-street, Cheapside, and specifies the "disposal of his hosiery shop on Oxford-street, opposite the Pantheon" — possibly in order to move to bigger premises if he was doing that well. now for the Derbyshire link: interestingly, a linked death The Derby Mercury, Wed 11 Sept 1833; Issue 5278 DeathS > "On 29th ult, after a few hours illness, at his residence Cornwall terrace, Regent's Park London, WILLIAM WARD, esq, of the extensive firm of Ward, Brettle & Ward, whose manufacturing establishment is at Belper, in this county." … ie. DERBYSHIRE The Morning Chronicle (London), Mon 22 Sept 1823; Issue 16981. indicates a "dissolution of the firm J Ward, G Brettle & W Ward, of Belper, Derbyshire so far as relates to J Ward." So, J ward was parting from the other two. This suggests that the centre of business activities lay in Belper, Derbyshire - originally at least. It may suggest that they started there and that your George Brettle may in fact hail from there and moved his home to London as he climbed the social and business ladder. Derby once again reports on him andhis business The Derby Mercury (Derby, England), Thursday, May 21, 1812 reports on the "The Framework Knitter's Bill. The United Committees of the Framework Knitters of Derby & Nottingham … thanking for subscriptions towards expenses in the Application to Parliament for a Bill to 'Regulate their Trade'." Messrs Ward, Brettle & Ward, hosiers, were amongst their Derby subscribers He may or may not hail from Derby but it might be worth checking out anyway. hope this helps good luck with your one-name study le durachd Fionnghal --- On Wed, 15/6/11, Mary Brettell <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Mary Brettell <[email protected]> > I have just re-joined this list.  I am doing a one > name study on BRETTELL/BRETTLE and variants. > > At present I am searching for information on George Brettle > who owned a > hosiery factory (England's largest at one time) in Belper.............

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>From The Hampshire Advertiser ( Southampton, England ), Wednesday, July 09, 1890; pg.[1] Issue 4599. EXPLOSION OF FIREWORKS. Shortly before 12 o'clock on Friday an explosion occurred at the firework manufactory of Messrs. J. PAIN and Sons, Mitcham, Surrey, resulting in the destruction of a brick building, and doing damage to the amount of about £100.

On 14/06/2011 21:25, Daphne Harvey wrote: > Hello Judy and John. > > I got the image from Ancestry, some time ago, and it's not easy to read. But I made an error by quoting "Pigot" when it should have read "Pallot's Index." Stupid of me, the places of work were from Pigot's Directory. > > What I have is:- " Lazarus Pavey Kingston on Thames, Sy. " This must refer to his domicile, NOT the place of the marriage. > Next line, "Mary Oldis Boucher" with a small cross after, whatever that means. > Next line, "minor" > Then, "Lic 1801" The licence was issued in 1801, but the ceremony not performed until Feb. 1802, obvously. > > I have two names under this, which I take to be witnesses, namely "Pavey Thos" and "Rebecca (L?)est" > These names might just prove useful. Have you got them, John? > > I hope I haven't made any more gaffes. > > Thanks, Judy, for straightening things out with the full marriage entry. > And, by the way, Mary is referred to in later documents as MARY OLDEST PAVEY , which sent me off on various false trails. > > Now all we have to do is find Lazarus's baptism. I think he says he was born in Surrey, but I can't find him. > > Thanks for reminding me of the Kingston local history web site, John, I had quite forgotten it. > > Daphne > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > I agree with all the above. The 1841 census suggests that he was born in Kingston, but I can find no reference to his birth anywhere. The census also suggests that he was born about 1780, but there appear to be no records for that date. There were other PAVEY born in Kingston later that look like they could be his siblings, parents John Pavey & Amy The 1841 census only includes him at age 60. The Kingston Life Cycles Database does not include the 1841 census. Perhaps I should pay a visit to the North Kingston Centre again to check what they have. JOhn

Hi Once again I am going to have to turn to you for answers. I am trying to figure out what the occupation of one Fred Charles Jones and his brothers. He is the son of Alfred Charles Jones. I have found him on the 1891 census for Croydon. RG 121/588 In that same Jones family there is a son John. His occupation seems to be "Teacher School" but the "teacher" seems to be too long. Also, Walter Henry's occupation is "Clerk in ........" Actually, another occupation question, this one is for his father Alfred. I can make out what I think is tin smith but what is the "& c" for? Thank you Bill in cloudy Washington State

Hello Judy and John. I got the image from Ancestry, some time ago, and it's not easy to read. But I made an error by quoting "Pigot" when it should have read "Pallot's Index." Stupid of me, the places of work were from Pigot's Directory. What I have is:- " Lazarus Pavey Kingston on Thames, Sy. " This must refer to his domicile, NOT the place of the marriage. Next line, "Mary Oldis Boucher" with a small cross after, whatever that means. Next line, "minor" Then, "Lic 1801" The licence was issued in 1801, but the ceremony not performed until Feb. 1802, obvously. I have two names under this, which I take to be witnesses, namely "Pavey Thos" and "Rebecca (L?)est" These names might just prove useful. Have you got them, John? I hope I haven't made any more gaffes. Thanks, Judy, for straightening things out with the full marriage entry. And, by the way, Mary is referred to in later documents as MARY OLDEST PAVEY , which sent me off on various false trails. Now all we have to do is find Lazarus's baptism. I think he says he was born in Surrey, but I can't find him. Thanks for reminding me of the Kingston local history web site, John, I had quite forgotten it. Daphne

>From The Essex Standard, and General Advertiser for the Eastern Counties ( Colchester, England ), Friday, January 15, 1864; pg. [1]; Issue 1726. ASYLUM for the DEAF & DUMB CHILDREN of the POOR LONDON & MARGATE. The Half-Yearly General Meeting was held on Monday, 11th January, 1864, at the London Tavern. BERIAH DREW , Esq., Treasurer, in the chair. The minutes of the last General Meeting were read and confirmed. The President, Vice-Presidents, Committee, and Treasurer for the present year were appointed. The Annual Statement of Receipts and Expenditure was read, and ordered to be printed as usual. The Meeting then proceeded to the Election of 40 children ( 23 boys and 17 girls ) from a list of 74 candidates. The poll closed at 3 o'clock, and the successful candidates were ordered to be advertised in the usual manner. At the close of the day's proceedings a cordial vote of thanks was accorded to the Chairman. The following gives the numbers polled for the 40 successful candidates:- BOYS. *DEWIS , Thomas 2,739. *BAILY , Thomas 2,738. *WILLIAMS, Thomas 2,736. *SMITH , George 2,729. *MASON , Arthur 2,721. PARMENTER , Daniel 2,514. WILSON , David 1,919. DICKENS , James W. 1,884. YOUNG , James H. 1,748. JOHNSON , Samuel R. 1,737. CULLEN , George 1,654. HOWELL , William G. 1,611. WOOD , Charles J. 1,607. ANNISON , Thomas J. 1,576. APPS , James S. 1,543. CANSDALE , Charles 1,496. LEGG , George 1,486. SHINES , David 1,477. BODMAN , George W. 1,368. JUDE , William 1,268. HINDLE , John 1,247. DICKINSON , Henry 1,200 NEWMAN , Edwin 1,139. GIRLS. * OWEN , Hannah 2,739. *ANCELL , Charlotte E. 2,739. *CRAMP , Marianne W. 2,737. *TODMAN , Adela J. 2,730. GREGORY , Rebecca 2,471. SHERMAN , Anne 1,836. HALLAM , Mary A. 1,778. CLEMENTS , Sarah R. 1,748. TENNANT , Mary L. 1,698. MASON , Mary A. 1,673. MOAKES , Maria A. 1,665. RUSSELL , Rachel 1,640. DAWSON , Jane 1,451. SEWELL , Sally 1,158. SIMS , Elizabeth 1,118. CURRIE , Emily J. 992. CASSELL , Charlotte 765. Those marked ( * ) would have been superannuated if they had not been chosen this time. CHARLES NOTTIDGE, Secretary. London Tavern, E.C., Jan. 11th 1864. As far as we can tell, by Googling, the Asylums were in The Old Kent Road, Southwark & 52, Victoria Road, St. Johns, Margate. Hope this item is of interest & hopefully it will help someone with their research. Mick & Norma Coomber

Hi Mary As an afterthought Something which might interest the list when researching people in service. I had a PARKER (sigh) which took me years and years to find. Many things happened which made finding her most difficult. 1. I ended up finding her in service to the Duke of Westminster. We had family lore that some of our family was in fact in service to the Westminsters but nothing came of it for about 20 years. 2. The Duke of Westminster had lands all around London as is well known, but also has estates in Cheshire. So why would I look there.....? (your Derby connection maybe Mary? maybe of the same or similar problems ) 3. A few things happened here. Her name was Kate Beatrice Parker........and as if Parker is not hard enough to research. - She went by Beatrice whilst in the service of the Dukes of Westminster - perhaps there was another Kate, but somethimes the heirarchy feel that Beatrice is a more befitting name for a ladies maid.???? - She travelled between London and Cheshire as a Maid, lady 's maid etc - She fell pregnant to the Duke of Westminsters Valet, who also appeared to have started his service to his Lordship as his "batman" whilst they were both in the Hussars. - NOW this is where it get's interesting,...........apparently when one is in service to such people they need to ask permission to marry and can lose their jobs if they marry without permission. - Kate of course got pregnant, so they secretly returned to Egham where they married.......but he changed his name slightly, taking on part of his brother in laws name. This is all through families I have met since. Marriage certs etc Then the son was raised by the Valets sister and her husband in Berks (just over the border from Egham) Eventually they were allowed to marry and had two other girls (legally) The son was "ticked" with the parents (as one would be) and moved to Australia. This has been verified by many means including contact with the estate of the Dukes of Westminster in Cheshire. To cut a long story short.... 1. Check online and email the Onelsey Estate 2. Genesreunited gave me contact with a few family members and when putting the information together with records from the estate and records from PR's, Census, Hussars etc.......we nutted it out. Phew - took a while...... Cheers pam from Adelaide Australia > Does anyone have this Lady in their Tree ? > Elizabeth MOORCOCK, born 1851 Egham, when her family was living Chertsey , > daughter of George MOORCOCK & his wife Mary Ann FIELD . > By 1862 she was an Orphan. In 1871, I think this is her, her last name > spelt MORECOCK, age 21 yrs., a Lady's Maid, for Lady Onseley, at that > time > Lodging in Marylebone Parish, in Somerset St.. > Lady Onseley died later in 1871.

Hi Mary I have FIELDS in Egham and thought I would check my database taken from the Parish records. I will also put down any findings......from elsewhere and you can keep them for further investigation. I have one Marriage of interest. 29/3/1842 - Ann FIELD married George MOORCOCK St John the Baptist Egham.... Bachelor, lab, spinster, both otp, parents Thomas Moorcock and Thomas Field. witnesses Henry Penny and Ann Hall It is always possible that she went by Ann, especially if mother was of the same name....Mary Ann Usually they use their proper name at marriage, but this is not "always" so. Little blighters. Unfortunately I only collected the FIELDS. Only one other tit bit.... A Thomas and Amelia FIELDS had a daughter Eliza baptised 9/9/1827 St John Baptist, (of Egham labourer) After this they disappeared. 2. There is an Elizabeth MOORCOCK baptised 17/2/1850 Virginia Water, parents George and Mary Ann of Thorpe Green, Parish of Thorpe, occ labourer and Harriett MOORCOCK, 9/2/1845 dau of George and Mary Ann, of Egham, labourer this is consistant with what you tell us. and John MOORCOCKE 13/6/1847 son of George and Mary of St Anne;s Heath, labourer. and Mary Ann dau of George and Mary, 1852 Addlestone 3. Now Virginia Water is within cooee of Egham as is Chertsey and as is Thorpe. 4. Thorpe Parish registers are available through your local LDS, as are Egham, as are Virginia water I believe. For what years I am unsure, as it has been a while since I researched that area. 5. Being a labourer it seems he moves around a bit.......so when you research widen the search to surrey. not just Chertsey/Egham 6. I have found a Mary Ann FIELD baptised 20/5/1827 Egham - parents James and Charlotte. 7. An O can sometimes be mistranscribed as an A, especially in cursive writing.... So use the asterisk to widen your searches on ancestry such as MORE*. MOOR*, MARE* YOU MAY GET MORECACK???? Ok that's it for now. My Connections to these people FIELD, BOVINGTON, PERKINS, LARKINS, DULLEY AND OTHERS. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Does anyone have this Lady in their Tree ? > Elizabeth MOORCOCK, born 1851 Egham, when her family was living Chertsey , > daughter of George MOORCOCK & his wife Mary Ann FIELD . > By 1862 she was an Orphan. In 1871, I think this is her, her last name > spelt MORECOCK, age 21 yrs., a Lady's Maid, for Lady Onseley, at that > time > Lodging in Marylebone Parish, in Somerset St.. > Lady Onseley died later in 1871. > I have looked in the English Death Fiche , no one shows as Elizabeth . > I have bought some Marriage Certificates with no luck, except for a > marriage > 1877, when age 27yrs., to James BELL a Widower, a Draper, in Chesterfield, > County Derby. The Father on the Certificate is George Moorcock, a Grain > Dealer, (in fact George was a Ag.Lab.). > I can understand that Elizabeth had only a vague idea of the occupation of > her Father , by the time he died, when she was a child, or , I realise, > she > may have fudged things a bit ! > However, this BELL couple must have emigrated, or died, before 1881, as I > could not find them in the census. > In 2004, 2 people sent me info' about Lady Onseley. > Before I start searching yet again, Please, has anyone found them in their > Research ? >

Does anyone have this Lady in their Tree ? Elizabeth MOORCOCK, born 1851 Egham, when her family was living Chertsey , daughter of George MOORCOCK & his wife Mary Ann FIELD . By 1862 she was an Orphan. In 1871, I think this is her, her last name spelt MORECOCK, age 21 yrs., a Lady's Maid, for Lady Onseley, at that time Lodging in Marylebone Parish, in Somerset St.. Lady Onseley died later in 1871. I have looked in the English Death Fiche , no one shows as Elizabeth . I have bought some Marriage Certificates with no luck, except for a marriage 1877, when age 27yrs., to James BELL a Widower, a Draper, in Chesterfield, County Derby. The Father on the Certificate is George Moorcock, a Grain Dealer, (in fact George was a Ag.Lab.). I can understand that Elizabeth had only a vague idea of the occupation of her Father , by the time he died, when she was a child, or , I realise, she may have fudged things a bit ! However, this BELL couple must have emigrated, or died, before 1881, as I could not find them in the census. In 2004, 2 people sent me info' about Lady Onseley. Before I start searching yet again, Please, has anyone found them in their Research ? Mary __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6205 (20110614) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

This afternoon arrived the death certificate for Cordelia Mary YOUNG, Thomas YOUNG the architect from Toronto's wife. Dated 20th May 1858 and death occured at Saint Thomas Hospital Southwark, Surrey. Mary Cordelia Young aged 52 years. ocupation :"wife of a Government Architect at Toronto", cause of death: "burnt by her clothes taking fire at Wellington Place, Blackfriars Road, 18 hours" the informant was a William Payne the Coroner and the death was registered on the 28th June 1858. A couple of questions:- If she lived in Blackfriars Road, and died at Saint Thomas' Hospital, Southwark where would be the likely place to search for where she was buried? If being the wife of a fairly prominent architect in the history of Toronto, Canada and having died in fairly unusual circumstances necisitating a coroner's inquest, would her death warrant a mention in the newspapers of the time, ie around the 18th May 1858, and perhaps one month later ie around 28th June 1858 perhaps a funeral notice or obituary? cheers Bob in sunny (Winter 21 deg c) Brisbane.