George R Parker abt 1866 Jan-Feb-Mar 1953 87 Surrey Mid Eastern Surrey 5g 481 is this him taken from ancestry .co.uk? Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam hillier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] George Robert Parker. > Hi Colin > Loads of Parkers around the area.......who were Georges parents out of > curiosity. > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > >> Hi all I hope someone can help me find my grandfathers death. He is >> George >> Robert Parker who was born in 1867. I think he died at the home of his >> son >> Bertram at 31 Lancing Road, Croydon. Surrey as that is what I have been >> told. I have check FreeBMD deaths from 1867 until 1940's but nothing >> shows >> up. >> >> I have been told by my cousin that she thinks he was alive when she was a >> child and she was born in 1953. I tried both George, Robert, & George >> Robert but nothing. He married Rose Hannah ( Roseanna ) Harper or Gomm ( >> she married as a Harper but was born a Gomm ) on the 16th May 1887. I >> hope >> someone can help me as I am hoping to rescue the grave from Croydon >> Cemetery who have put a temporary hold on 2 Parker graves that are due to >> be reclaimed so I can give them the details to see if one of them is my >> grandfather. >> Colin. > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam their names were George Robert Parker born Abt. 1841 and Bpt on the 4th July 1841 in Chiddingstone Kent & Martha Adelaide Brown born 1840 in Buxted in Sussex . Colin ---- pam hillier <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Colin > Loads of Parkers around the area.......who were Georges parents out of > curiosity. > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > > Hi all I hope someone can help me find my grandfathers death. He is George > > Robert Parker who was born in 1867. I think he died at the home of his son > > Bertram at 31 Lancing Road, Croydon. Surrey as that is what I have been > > told. I have check FreeBMD deaths from 1867 until 1940's but nothing shows > > up. > > Colin. > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi yes I thinks so I am going to the cemetery now with this information and I hope they can find him, maybe I will be lucky that his grave has not been reused yet. I have been asking for all my sets of grandparents for years now and Croydon Cemetery can never find them. When they used to let you look at the books free of charge it was easy but now its on computer I think they have quite a few errors in the system. Many thanks for everyone's help here as time was very limited as they are reusing these graves now and they put a hold on 4 of them for me to check if they were my relatives. Colin ---- Jane Melvyn-Hughes <JVM> wrote: > George R Parker > abet 1866 > Jan-Feb-Mar 1953 > 87 > Surrey Mid Eastern > Surrey > 5 > > 481 > > is this him taken from ancestry .co > > Jane > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam hillier" <pamphleteer> > To: <eng-Surrey> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:54 AM > Subject: Re: [SPRY] George Robert Parker. > > > > Hi Colin > > Loads of Parkers around the area.......who were Georges parents out of > > curiosity. > > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > > >>

Hi Daphne When you search the newfamilysearch for Lazarus PAVIE born 1774 you get one hit headed as :- =============== *None of these results strongly match what you searched for. The following results may still be of interest.* ? Pavie England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) birth: 07 Apr 1774 -Holborn, Middlesex parents: Charles Pavie, Mary Pavie record title: England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) name: ? Pavie event type: Birth birth date: 07 Apr 1774 birthplace: Holborn, Middlesex father's name: Charles Pavie mother's name: Mary Pavie record set: RG8_0058 ============== You will note there is no forename, I think this is what you found and you thought it was for Lazarus (there is still the chance it is for he but suspect its not) This is the LDS trying to give pointers to other records , personally I feel it hinders rather than helps, I can see an awful lot of trees being built on fairly wobbly foundations using newfamilysearch Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, Nivard and Judy > > Thanks for your input re Lazarus. Sorry to have sounded so confused ( I was not feeling at my > best, and should have known better than to try to explain facts at that time) > It does look as though my supposed break-through to find his birth/baptism was not what I thought. > But I still don't understand where the birth date and place came from - twice. One was for > LAZARUS PAVIE giving birth details and parentage, the other was LAZARUS PAVEY and gave same birth > details (sans parentage) and also those of his marriage and death. > I had remarked, long ago, while trawling through the Kingston parish records, that there seemed to > be two Pavey families in the town, but didn't see a connection at the time. It looks as though it > is time for a review. Thank you for the tip about the will, Judy. > > Daphne

Hi, Nivard and Judy Thanks for your input re Lazarus. Sorry to have sounded so confused ( I was not feeling at my best, and should have known better than to try to explain facts at that time) It does look as though my supposed break-through to find his birth/baptism was not what I thought. But I still don't understand where the birth date and place came from - twice. One was for LAZARUS PAVIE giving birth details and parentage, the other was LAZARUS PAVEY and gave same birth details (sans parentage) and also those of his marriage and death. I had remarked, long ago, while trawling through the Kingston parish records, that there seemed to be two Pavey families in the town, but didn't see a connection at the time. It looks as though it is time for a review. Thank you for the tip about the will, Judy. Daphne

It's always good to google, or even to check out wikipedia: the following is a direct lift from the latter, and as far as I know is accurate - maybe one of our list experts will know better? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In the United Kingdom, an extra-parochial area or extra-parochial place was an area considered to be outside any parish. They were therefore exempt from payment of any poor or church rate and usually tithe. Extra-parochial areas were gradually either integrated with a neighbouring or surrounding parish, or made separate civil parishes by the Extra-Parochial Places Act 1857 and the Poor Law Amendment Act 1868. The term unparished areas (now most urban areas) relates only to civil parishes and has no connection to extra-parochial areas. Conversion to civil parishes The Poor Law Amendment Act 1868 incorporated "for all civil parochial purposes" the remaining extra-parochial places, that were without an appointed Overseer of the Poor, into a neighbouring parish with the longest common boundary. Inner and Middle Temple The historic extra-parochial areas of Inner Temple and Middle Temple, within the liberties of the City of London, still exist[2] (and the combined extra-parochial area is shown on Ordnance Survey's most detailed OS MasterMap mapping). Since the time of the Knights Templar, 700 years before the separation of civil and ecclesiastical parishes, The Temple has been a Peculiar, exempt from the Bishop's jurisdiction (so the Master of the Temple is answerable only to the Queen, and not to the Bishop of London). Likewise the Temple was too well connected with the Crown to submit to the jurisdiction of the City: the Honorable Societies of The Middle and The Inner Temple undertook the functions of local authorities (and still do to some extent). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HTH JK On 9 July 2011 16:17, <[email protected]> wrote: > Have come across this term in a record for a John MARTYR in the Effingham burial register.  What does this mean please? From outside the parish? > > Tony Marter > ***************************************

Tony as you say, an area outside the normal parochial system, probably due to connection with the crown or monastic holdings. There were such in Effingham but the Victoria County History (British History On-line) seems not to mention any extra parochial area. In particular the tithes might not be due to the church. Mostly cleared up in the 1850s onwards, particularly 1858. ( http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/types/status_page.jsp?unit_status=ExP ) I believe Waverley south of Farnham was one such. The monastic remains are all alone in a field these days. The only connection I have found was a list of parishes etc that wd be affected by a proposed railway. I imagine the vast majority of the places so headed were straightforward parishes. ( http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20404/pages/3982/page.pdf) Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:17 PM Subject: [SRY] Meaning of "extra parochial" > Have come across this term in a record for a John MARTYR in the Effingham > burial register. What does this mean please? From outside the parish? > > Tony Marter

Thanks so much for that helpful reply, Alison. They must have been a different couple altogether. Best wishes, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Martyn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] Fw: GLOVER/CARPENTER > Hello Jan > > The marriage banns for Charles Glover/Mary Ann Carpenter say he was a > bachelor > (St George the Martyr, Southwark - Jun 1857) > >>From census entries they look to have both been born 1830. > > Pallots Marriage Index for Charles Glover's marriage to Martha Carpenter > (otherwise Charpenter) (of St Ann, Westminster) says she was a minor > marrying with the consent of her father, William Carpenter, alias > Charpenter. St George Hanover Square 1793 > > Alison > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:12 AM > Subject: [SRY] Fw: GLOVER/CARPENTER > > >> >> Subject: GLOVER/CARPENTER >> >> >> I'm trying to discover whether relative, Charles GLOVER, was remarried to >> the sister of his wife after she died please. I know that he married >> Martha CARPENTER/CHARPENTIER in 1893 and believe Martha died in Lambeth, >> Surrey in 1828. I know Martha was born in 1772 but do not have a d.o.b. >> for Charles. I have been advised that he later married Mary Ann >> CARPENTER/CHARPENTIER . If she was Martha's sister, she was born in 1776. >> Many thanks, >> Jan >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3415 - Release Date: 01/31/11 >> > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have come across this term in a record for a John MARTYR in the Effingham burial register. What does this mean please? From outside the parish? Tony Marter

Hello Jan The marriage banns for Charles Glover/Mary Ann Carpenter say he was a bachelor (St George the Martyr, Southwark - Jun 1857) >From census entries they look to have both been born 1830. Pallots Marriage Index for Charles Glover's marriage to Martha Carpenter (otherwise Charpenter) (of St Ann, Westminster) says she was a minor marrying with the consent of her father, William Carpenter, alias Charpenter. St George Hanover Square 1793 Alison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Jan Hearn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:12 AM Subject: [SRY] Fw: GLOVER/CARPENTER > > Subject: GLOVER/CARPENTER > > > I'm trying to discover whether relative, Charles GLOVER, was remarried to > the sister of his wife after she died please. I know that he married > Martha CARPENTER/CHARPENTIER in 1893 and believe Martha died in Lambeth, > Surrey in 1828. I know Martha was born in 1772 but do not have a d.o.b. > for Charles. I have been advised that he later married Mary Ann > CARPENTER/CHARPENTIER . If she was Martha's sister, she was born in 1776. > Many thanks, > Jan > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3415 - Release Date: 01/31/11 >

Daphne, There was a will proved in the PCC in 1798 for a John PAVEY of Kingston upon Thames. This can be downloaded from the National Archives site (Documents Online) for £3.50. I think it may be of interest to you. http://tinyurl.com/65m6qxg HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Judy Lester Is there by some lucky chance a will that might mention family members? HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daphne Harvey

Daphne, Like Nivard, I don't know where you found the online reference to the birth of Lazarus PAVEY, so I can't help directly with that. There were a number of PAVEY children baptised at the Independent Chapel in Heather Street, Kingston upon Thames, who *may* be Lazarus' siblings. The parents are recorded as John and Am(e)y PAVEY. There were also a couple of children baptised to (probably) the same parents in Chelsea, Middlesex. The original records are held at the National Archives, Kew, and are digitised on the paysite BMDregisters.co.uk (RG 4/2061, 2125, 2211 and 3104). They are also indexed on the updated FamilySearch site (e.g. search for Elizabeth Minor PAVEY born 1785). But, as has been said, there is no sign of Lazarus. Your problem may be that the surviving records for this church run from 1776-1836 only, and may not be complete. So if Lazarus was baptised at this Kingston church earlier than 1776, you're unlikely to find it documented. But if you can move towards proving that one of these other PAVEYs was Lazarus' sibling, you would be moving in the right direction. You could try tracing these other PAVEYs forwards, if you can, and look for a connection, perhaps in a marriage record or other document. Is there by some lucky chance a will that might mention family members? HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daphne Harvey Hi, John Stupidly I didn't save the page from Family Search and do you think I can locate it again? Of course not. I had just copied the information down. So I can't tell you what I did. Then I had switched to Google and typed in "Lazarus Pavey London" just to see what would come up. I got an Ancestry page with "in association with the L.M.A." on it, and "London Non-Conformist Registers " writ large! and underneath "Results for Lazarus Pavey." Under "searching for" in a small box was the information I have given you. This was confusing, as all the information I wanted seemed to be there. We already knew his marriage (though Judy gives it as Holborn and Nivard as Camden, but it is, I'm sure, the same place) , and his death. This was correct. But who/what put in the data on his birth? And it was the same on both sites. Was it just a guess? Judy says the RG4 is searchable on the I.G.I. This should solve the problem - or just present us with another. ( Is it the right birth?) But after a very brief attempt today I have yet to find my way to the RG4 . ( Help!) Daphne

Hi Daphne You haven't actually said what it is you are looking for >From your rather confusing post I suspect its the Baptism for Lazarus PAVEY ? The Burial and marriage are on Ancestry so they are genuine and original (or as original as you get) The non conformist records that you find on newfamilysearch are just an index , you will find them here http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/ But I saw no sign on there of a Lazarus PAVEY A google search as you describe finds a few hits, one is a John ?? tree which records an about date of 1780 no doubt derived from the 1841 census and burial records You can search the RG4 indexes on newfamilysearch direct but there are no Lazarus PAVEY listed Ancestry have some LMA non conformist records but again no Lazarus PAVEY Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, John > > Stupidly I didn't save the page from Family Search and do you think I can locate it again? Of > course not. I had just copied the information down. So I can't tell you what I did. Then I > had switched to Google and typed in "Lazarus Pavey London" just to see what would come up. > I got an Ancestry page with "in association with the L.M.A." on it, and "London Non-Conformist > Registers " writ large! and underneath "Results for Lazarus Pavey." Under "searching for" in > a small box was the information I have given you. This was confusing, as all the information I > wanted seemed to be there. We already knew his marriage (though Judy gives it as Holborn and > Nivard as Camden, but it is, I'm sure, the same place) , and his death. This was correct. But > who/what put in the data on his birth? And it was the same on both sites. Was it just a guess? > Judy says the RG4 is searchable on the I.G.I. This should solve the problem - or just present us > with another. ( Is it the right birth?) But after a very brief attempt today I have yet to find > my way to the RG4 . ( Help!) > > Daphne

Good evening Ann; Wonderful to hear from you and thank you for responding to my posting. My interest in Ernest Simmonds is that he married one my Grandfather KEMSLEY'S Sisters; Tammesin Alice GIBBONS nee KEMSLEY. I know a little of Ernest SIMMONDS and of his home in Faversham. Putting 2 and 2 together; I reckoned that I had found Ernest and family in the 1841 and 1851 Census and thereafter; the family disappeared and I wondered if perhaps; they may have ended up in Australia, as I know if not; that Ernest did come out to Australia even if only for a visit? I understand that Ernest met Tammesin on the ship. I would very much love to again hear from you and to know more of Ernest and family and I may be able to fill in a few gaps myself if interested? Kindest Regards; Robert KEMSLEY Australia P.S. I had Ernest b) Faversham and would imagine that family here told me that?

Hi, John Stupidly I didn't save the page from Family Search and do you think I can locate it again? Of course not. I had just copied the information down. So I can't tell you what I did. Then I had switched to Google and typed in "Lazarus Pavey London" just to see what would come up. I got an Ancestry page with "in association with the L.M.A." on it, and "London Non-Conformist Registers " writ large! and underneath "Results for Lazarus Pavey." Under "searching for" in a small box was the information I have given you. This was confusing, as all the information I wanted seemed to be there. We already knew his marriage (though Judy gives it as Holborn and Nivard as Camden, but it is, I'm sure, the same place) , and his death. This was correct. But who/what put in the data on his birth? And it was the same on both sites. Was it just a guess? Judy says the RG4 is searchable on the I.G.I. This should solve the problem - or just present us with another. ( Is it the right birth?) But after a very brief attempt today I have yet to find my way to the RG4 . ( Help!) Daphne

I've an Ernest SIMMONDS said b) 16 Feb 1839, Faversham; which I cannot find and I now don't know where I got the info re his born Faversham. When marrying Tammesin Alice GIBBONS in 1907, Sevenoaks, Kent; Ernest SIMMONDS is recorded as being 68, Residing in Farnham, Surrey. His father given as Daniel SIMMONDS (Deceased) a Miller. I've found an Ernest SIMMONDS in the 1841 Census as living in Farnham and the same family in the 1851 Census as then living in Guernsey, Channel Islands. Thereafter; I cannot find any trace of the SIMMONDS family, but do know that Ernest at least; visited or perhaps lived Australia? As to the rest of the family: I know not. I do have a copy of pages from a Family Bible for SIMMONDS Births/Deaths Badshott & Farnham with the children shown therein not matching the Census apart from Ernest. Would any fellow lister be researching this family or could perhaps enlarge on my findings? Robert KEMSLEY Australia

Robert Ernest Simmonds, son of Daniel Simmonds miller of Farnham, born 1839 Farnham, is a second cousin removed, of mine. The family had connections in Kent. Please contact me off List, and meanwhile I'll see if I can sort out more information. Ann From: "KEMSLEY, Robert N. G." <[email protected]> > I've an Ernest SIMMONDS said b) 16 Feb 1839, Faversham; which I cannot > find and I now don't know where I got the info re his born Faversham. > > When marrying Tammesin Alice GIBBONS in 1907, Sevenoaks, Kent; Ernest > SIMMONDS is recorded as being 68, Residing in Farnham, Surrey. > His father given as Daniel SIMMONDS (Deceased) a Miller. > > I've found an Ernest SIMMONDS in the 1841 Census as living in Farnham > and the same family in the 1851 Census as then living in Guernsey, Channel > Islands. > > Thereafter; I cannot find any trace of the SIMMONDS family, but do know > that Ernest at least; visited or perhaps lived Australia? > As to the rest of the family: I know not. > > I do have a copy of pages from a Family Bible for SIMMONDS > Births/Deaths Badshott & Farnham with the children shown therein not > matching the Census apart from Ernest. > > Would any fellow lister be researching this family or could perhaps > enlarge on my findings? > > Robert KEMSLEY> Australia

That was productive, thank you, Ann :-) Fionnghal --- On Wed, 6/7/11, Ann Sargeant <[email protected]> wrote: > The Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst has two of > its three main entrances in Camberley Surrey. > For the past couple of hundred years > Surrey people especially those from Camberley > & Frimley have worked there. The Registers of > Cadets and Staff are now online and free to search. > Individual records can be downloaded at cost quoted: > http://archive.sandhurstcollection.org.uk/

Hi Colin For the period after 1911 and before 1970 you should be looking for either no middle name or just an initial The nearest I can find for a death in Surrey is :- Name: George R Parker Birth Date: abt 1866 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1953 Age at Death: 87 Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 5g Page: 481 There was only one other that might fir your birth year and that was in 1952 registered in Doncaster Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS its always best to post to lists individually as crossposting can cause problems for list admins, it only takes a few seconds more > Hi all I hope someone can help me find my grandfathers death. He is George Robert Parker who was > born in 1867. I think he died at the home of his son Bertram at 31 Lancing Road, Croydon. Surrey > as that is what I have been told. I have check FreeBMD deaths from 1867 until 1940's but nothing > shows up. > > I have been told by my cousin that she thinks he was alive when she was a child and she was born > in 1953. I tried both George, Robert, & George Robert but nothing. He married Rose Hannah ( > Roseanna ) Harper or Gomm ( she married as a Harper but was born a Gomm ) on the 16th May 1887. I > hope someone can help me as I am hoping to rescue the grave from Croydon Cemetery who have put a > temporary hold on 2 Parker graves that are due to be reclaimed so I can give them the details to > see if one of them is my grandfather. > Colin.

The Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst has two of its three main entrances in Camberley Surrey. For the past couple of hundred years Surrey people especially those from Camberley & Frimley have worked there. The Registers of Cadets and Staff are now online and free to search. Individual records can be downloaded at cost quoted: http://archive.sandhurstcollection.org.uk/ Ann