Hi Scott On the available dat I would say this is your lady , her marriage and the 1891 transcript Let us know if they tally with that you know already Births Jun 1853 Maxwell Eliza Ellen Peterboro 3b 203 Marriages Mar 1875 CORLASS Frederick Sydney Peterbro' 3b 330 MAXWELL Eliza Ellen Peterbro' 3b 330 1891 Name: Eliza E Corlass Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Frederick S Corlass Gender: Female Where born: Thorney, Cambridgeshire, England Civil parish: Broadwater Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: East Preston Sub-registration district: Worthing ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 836 Folio: 62 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Frederick S Corlass 49 Eliza E Corlass 37 Edith M Corlass 13 Minnie C Corlass 11 Sydney H Corlass 7 Maude M Corlass 5 Gerard Corlass 11/12 RG12; Piece: 836; Folio 62; Page 7; GSU roll: 6095946. ========================= Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > Dear all, > > Thank you for all the positive responses; we appreciate any help or tips on > how to proceed. > > We don't have much at all about my g-gm and g-gf. > > 1. I've put a copy of the fragment of the certificate at: > http://famdocs.s3.amazonaws.com/birth.pdf > > 2. My grandmother was born in 1902 and based on this and a photo from the > 1940s, I think they were born in the early or mid 1870s, but this could be 5 > or so years earlier or later. > > 3. From a wife of a distant cousin, we think that her name was Olga Ellen, > and we know that Maxwell was a family surname. My grandmother was Edith > Ellen, so Ellen seems a family name. > > 4. My great-grandfather's name was Edwin Peter Clarke. We don't have any > documentation about him. We know that he served in the Boer war -- and I did > find him listed as fighting at the siege of Kimberley, and I'll try to > follow that lead, though he did not serve in a regular army unit so I am not > too hopeful. I have searched on the various free and paid on-line services > for a record of his birth, or their marriage, but without luck. > > Could the name of the mother on the certificate be "Olga" rather than > "Eliza" on the certificate? We have studied the original carefully and it > does seem to be Eliza, but we can't rule out Olga. I have wondered whether > it could be my grandmother's certificate rather than my g-gm's. But this > doesn't really gel with with other snippets of family history. > > The other question I have about the certificate is that it says the name of > the mother was "Corlass formerly Maxwell". Does this imply that this is a > second marriage of the mother? > > Many thanks for any help, > > Scott

Hi Scott The nice unusual surname is a massive advantage! Eliza Ellen MAXWELL married Frederick Sydney CORLASS in Q1 1875 Peterborough (3b 330). There are three CORLASS births in Hambledon district Births Jun 1880 CORLASS Minnie Caroline Hambledon 2a 132 Births Jun 1883 Corlass Sydney Henry Hambledon 2a 125 Births Jun 1885 Corlass Maude Mliess Hambledon 2a 127 So presumably one of these is the certificate of which you have the remnants. "Corlass formerly Maxwell" is simply the standard way of referring to a mother's maiden name. The family are easily found in various censuses (though they are mistranscribed as "CORLAR" in 1881). Not sure how these people fit in to your family. Do let us know if we can be of further help Best wishes Caroline > > Dear all, > > Thank you for all the positive responses; we appreciate any help or > tips on > how to proceed. > > We don't have much at all about my g-gm and g-gf. > > 1. I've put a copy of the fragment of the certificate at: > http://famdocs.s3.amazonaws.com/birth.pdf > > 2. My grandmother was born in 1902 and based on this and a photo from > the > 1940s, I think they were born in the early or mid 1870s, but this could > be 5 > or so years earlier or later. > > 3. From a wife of a distant cousin, we think that her name was Olga > Ellen, > and we know that Maxwell was a family surname. My grandmother was Edith > Ellen, so Ellen seems a family name. > > 4. My great-grandfather's name was Edwin Peter Clarke. We don't have > any > documentation about him. We know that he served in the Boer war -- and > I did > find him listed as fighting at the siege of Kimberley, and I'll try to > follow that lead, though he did not serve in a regular army unit so I > am not > too hopeful. I have searched on the various free and paid on-line > services > for a record of his birth, or their marriage, but without luck. > > Could the name of the mother on the certificate be "Olga" rather than > "Eliza" on the certificate? We have studied the original carefully and > it > does seem to be Eliza, but we can't rule out Olga. I have wondered > whether > it could be my grandmother's certificate rather than my g-gm's. But > this > doesn't really gel with with other snippets of family history. > > The other question I have about the certificate is that it says the > name of > the mother was "Corlass formerly Maxwell". Does this imply that this is > a > second marriage of the mother? > > Many thanks for any help, > > Scott >

Hello Michael As this relates to one of our WSFHS CDs I will make further enquiries and come back to you as soon as I have had a chance to talk with the folk who compiled the information. Meanwhile I'll be in touch privately for details of the entry in question. Ann From: "Michael" <[email protected]> > It is CD 15 > > The disk is from West Surrey FHS it says on the disk that it is compiled > by Alan Benny > on the disk it says extracted from 191 Baptisms or non conformist > registers > > > Michael > > On 09/08/2011 18:17, Maureen Burton wrote: >> Hi Michael >> Did you purchase this from East or West Surrey FHS? >> Does it have the reference SUMR001 on the cd label or on the cover? >> Is this Surrey Extracts - Dr Williams Library? >> >> If you can answer the above for me, I will try to assist you. >> >> regards >> >> Mo >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Michael<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >>> Has anyone any information in regard to the above Chapel >>> >>> I have recently bought the Surrey Baptism CD and have found a Baptism >>> there is a contradiction in regards to the transcribed mothers >>> information >>> and I would like to see a copy of the original register I have emailed >>> the >>> local studies to see where the register is located and the have >>> requested >>> more information in regard to the Independent Chapel they say there are >>> many >>> Non Conformist chapels in Mitcham >>> >>> Has any one any idea where the Surrey Family History Society obtained >>> the >>> details of the Independent Chapel as detailed on there CD >>> >>> Michael >>> *************************************** >>> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>> superfluous old messages in replies. >>> >>> List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anybody help me find the link between James and Sarah Ranger of Cranley, Surrey and the Grout family of Great Bookham. James and Sarah had a daughter named Mary born 1734 and a son Daniel who married Elizabeth Woodger. Following Mary's line via Stemp and Stevens families ends-up with my Great-Aunt Emily Marchant. I am told I am related to James and Sarah via the Grout family but am having trouble getting started. Any clues/ideas anyone? Andrew Cox Ewell, Surrey

Hi I've had a look in the historical directories. Kelly's 1891 has Lawn Cottage under Chiddingfold, not Witley (unless of course its another one). Under commercial, Edmead, Henry, painter, Lawn Cottage. They don't have a directory for the 1880s. The two earlier ones seem not to mention Lawn Cottage. Can't find it on the old maps (via Genuki gazetteer). Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ________________________________ From: Ann Sargeant <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 9 August, 2011 17:30:08 Subject: Re: [SRY] Partial birth certificate Witley Hello Scott Witley is a parish in rural south west Surrey - and it's near Chiddingfold. As others have said, if you can give us more information such as the names and dates there are lots of us here who would like to help.  Many of us are familiar with the area and are researching local families there.  Some of us have resources at home that may be useful.  So there's a good chance of finding answers. Ann Surrey Admin From: "Scott Hazelhurst" <[email protected]> > Dear list members, > > We recently found in some old family files a very damaged birth > certificate, > apparently an original. It's probably that of my my great grand mother of > whom we know almost nothing, hence my interest. > > At the top is has hand written "Witley" and the address of the father is > given as Lawn Cottage, Chiddingford. > At the bottom we have the following > > ".. 68 in the Birth Register Book No. 16 for the .... Witness my Hand this > 27th day of ...." > > Where the 68, 16 and 27 are all hand-written, > > The name and maiden surname of the mother are given, but thar's about all > (e.g., no name of father) I have tried looking up in FreeBMD, familysearch > and the various censuses that cover a likely period but there's nothing > that > matches. > > Is there any chance of following up on this scanty information? Any ideas > of > what the next step I could take could be be.

I wonder if anyone on the list can help me.  I am researching my BARBER/BATT family lines and on the 1901 Census I find abut 13 members of the family living at 59 Barkworth Road, Bermondsey.  I am curious what type of house it would have been in this area.  If anyone can give me some idea I would be grateful.  I have tried to find a photograph of the road on the internet without success. Thank you Elaine McLean Mission, BC, Canada

Hi Mo Thanks for you reply It is CD 15 The disk is from West Surrey FHS it says on the disk that it is compiled by Alan Benny on the disk it says extracted from 191 Baptisms or non conformist registers Michael On 09/08/2011 18:17, Maureen Burton wrote: > Hi Michael > Did you purchase this from East or West Surrey FHS? > Does it have the reference SUMR001 on the cd label or on the cover? > Is this Surrey Extracts - Dr Williams Library? > > If you can answer the above for me, I will try to assist you. > > regards > > Mo > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Michael<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Has anyone any information in regard to the above Chapel >> >> I have recently bought the Surrey Baptism CD and have found a Baptism >> there is a contradiction in regards to the transcribed mothers information >> and I would like to see a copy of the original register I have emailed the >> local studies to see where the register is located and the have requested >> more information in regard to the Independent Chapel they say there are >> many >> Non Conformist chapels in Mitcham >> >> Has any one any idea where the Surrey Family History Society obtained the >> details of the Independent Chapel as detailed on there CD >> >> Michael >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >

Hi Michael Did you purchase this from East or West Surrey FHS? Does it have the reference SUMR001 on the cd label or on the cover? Is this Surrey Extracts - Dr Williams Library? If you can answer the above for me, I will try to assist you. regards Mo On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > HI > > Has anyone any information in regard to the above Chapel > > I have recently bought the Surrey Baptism CD and have found a Baptism > there is a contradiction in regards to the transcribed mothers information > and I would like to see a copy of the original register I have emailed the > local studies to see where the register is located and the have requested > more information in regard to the Independent Chapel they say there are > many > Non Conformist chapels in Mitcham > > Has any one any idea where the Surrey Family History Society obtained the > details of the Independent Chapel as detailed on there CD > > Michael > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Maureen Burton Member ESFHS

HI Has anyone any information in regard to the above Chapel I have recently bought the Surrey Baptism CD and have found a Baptism there is a contradiction in regards to the transcribed mothers information and I would like to see a copy of the original register I have emailed the local studies to see where the register is located and the have requested more information in regard to the Independent Chapel they say there are many Non Conformist chapels in Mitcham Has any one any idea where the Surrey Family History Society obtained the details of the Independent Chapel as detailed on there CD Michael

Hello Scott Witley is a parish in rural south west Surrey - and it's near Chiddingfold. As others have said, if you can give us more information such as the names and dates there are lots of us here who would like to help. Many of us are familiar with the area and are researching local families there. Some of us have resources at home that may be useful. So there's a good chance of finding answers. Ann Surrey Admin From: "Scott Hazelhurst" <[email protected]> > Dear list members, > > We recently found in some old family files a very damaged birth > certificate, > apparently an original. It's probably that of my my great grand mother of > whom we know almost nothing, hence my interest. > > At the top is has hand written "Witley" and the address of the father is > given as Lawn Cottage, Chiddingford. > At the bottom we have the following > > ".. 68 in the Birth Register Book No. 16 for the .... Witness my Hand this > 27th day of ...." > > Where the 68, 16 and 27 are all hand-written, > > The name and maiden surname of the mother are given, but thar's about all > (e.g., no name of father) I have tried looking up in FreeBMD, familysearch > and the various censuses that cover a likely period but there's nothing > that > matches. > > Is there any chance of following up on this scanty information? Any ideas > of > what the next step I could take could be be.

Witley (the place) is only a couple of miles from Chiddingfold and in the same RD (Hambledon). HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Caroline Bradford Could you share with us the names and dates in question? I think you will find that the address was Chiddingfold, not Chiddingford, but no births for a a WITLEY (or even a WHITELY) in the relevant RD. Best wishes Caroline > > Dear list members, > > We recently found in some old family files a very damaged birth > certificate, > apparently an original. It's probably that of my my great grand mother > of > whom we know almost nothing, hence my interest. > > At the top is has hand written "Witley" and the address of the father > is > given as Lawn Cottage, Chiddingford. > > > At the bottom we have the following > > ".. 68 in the Birth Register Book No. 16 for the .... Witness my Hand > this > 27th day of ...." > > Where the 68, 16 and 27 are all hand-written, > > The name and maiden surname of the mother are given, but thar's about > all > (e.g., no name of father) I have tried looking up in FreeBMD, > familysearch > and the various censuses that cover a likely period but there's nothing > that > matches. > > Is there any chance of following up on this scanty information? Any > ideas of > what the next step I could take could be be. > > Many thanks > > Scott

Many thanks Michael for your extremely sad but very interesting post and research, I would have been curious about her also. Really appreciate all your newspaper extracts, give a glimpse into how our ancestors lived. Marie Kent, UK >From The Pall Mall Gazette ( London, England ), Friday, April 23, 1875; Issue 3176. The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has at length succeeded in putting an end to the proceedings of Mrs. CHANTRELL , who has been twice convicted of starving dogs and cats on her premises at Rottingdean. Having obtained the necessary authority from the Court of Chancery, the officers of the society took possession of Mrs. CHANTRELL's premises, and all but two of the emaciated animals were poisoned. This is NOT connected to our research, but, being curious about this lady, we have discovered that she was an Oil & Watercolours Artist, maiden names Mary Elizabeth DEAR. On the 1861 census she was visiting Robt. D. CHANTRELL at 7, Park Place, Camberwell, Surrey.> *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear list members, We recently found in some old family files a very damaged birth certificate, apparently an original. It's probably that of my my great grand mother of whom we know almost nothing, hence my interest. At the top is has hand written "Witley" and the address of the father is given as Lawn Cottage, Chiddingford. At the bottom we have the following ".. 68 in the Birth Register Book No. 16 for the .... Witness my Hand this 27th day of ...." Where the 68, 16 and 27 are all hand-written, The name and maiden surname of the mother are given, but thar's about all (e.g., no name of father) I have tried looking up in FreeBMD, familysearch and the various censuses that cover a likely period but there's nothing that matches. Is there any chance of following up on this scanty information? Any ideas of what the next step I could take could be be. Many thanks Scott

Hi Scott Could you share with us the names and dates in question? I think you will find that the address was Chiddingfold, not Chiddingford, but no births for a a WITLEY (or even a WHITELY) in the relevant RD. Best wishes Caroline > > Dear list members, > > We recently found in some old family files a very damaged birth > certificate, > apparently an original. It's probably that of my my great grand mother > of > whom we know almost nothing, hence my interest. > > At the top is has hand written "Witley" and the address of the father > is > given as Lawn Cottage, Chiddingford. > > > At the bottom we have the following > > ".. 68 in the Birth Register Book No. 16 for the .... Witness my Hand > this > 27th day of ...." > > Where the 68, 16 and 27 are all hand-written, > > The name and maiden surname of the mother are given, but thar's about > all > (e.g., no name of father) I have tried looking up in FreeBMD, > familysearch > and the various censuses that cover a likely period but there's nothing > that > matches. > > Is there any chance of following up on this scanty information? Any > ideas of > what the next step I could take could be be. > > Many thanks > > Scott

Hi Scott Can you send a scan of the cert or put it somewhere for others to see and give an opinion You surely must have more information than you have posted, what names are on it etc If its for your great grandmother what was her name? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Dear list members, > > We recently found in some old family files a very damaged birth certificate, > apparently an original. It's probably that of my my great grand mother of > whom we know almost nothing, hence my interest. > > At the top is has hand written "Witley" and the address of the father is > given as Lawn Cottage, Chiddingford. > > > At the bottom we have the following > > ".. 68 in the Birth Register Book No. 16 for the .... Witness my Hand this > 27th day of ...." > > Where the 68, 16 and 27 are all hand-written, > > The name and maiden surname of the mother are given, but thar's about all > (e.g., no name of father) I have tried looking up in FreeBMD, familysearch > and the various censuses that cover a likely period but there's nothing that > matches. > > Is there any chance of following up on this scanty information? Any ideas of > what the next step I could take could be be. > > Many thanks > > Scott

>From The Pall Mall Gazette ( London, England ), Friday, April 23, 1875; Issue 3176. The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has at length succeeded in putting an end to the proceedings of Mrs. CHANTRELL , who has been twice convicted of starving dogs and cats on her premises at Rottingdean. Having obtained the necessary authority from the Court of Chancery, the officers of the society took possession of Mrs. CHANTRELL's premises, and all but two of the emaciated animals were poisoned. This is NOT connected to our research, but, being curious about this lady, we have discovered that she was an Oil & Watercolours Artist, maiden names Mary Elizabeth DEAR. On the 1861 census she was visiting Robt. D. CHANTRELL at 7, Park Place, Camberwell, Surrey. He is shown as married. An Architect. On Nov. 2 1867, Robert Dennis CHANTRELL, a widower, of Full Age, a Gentleman, living in Rottingdean, married Mary Elizabeth DEAR, spinster, of Full Age, No occupation shown, living in St.Pancras. His father was Robert CHANTRELL dec'd, & her father was John DEAR, dec'd. They married at St. Pancras Parish Church by licence. In 1871 she is married to Robert D CHANTRILL, an Architect aged 78. Mary E is 38 & they have a 2 year old daughter Marian. They were living at Ivy Cottage, Rottingdean. Robert Dennis CHANTRELL died aged 78 in March Qtr 1872 Reg. Dist. Croydon 2a 116. In 1881 widowed Mary E CHANTRELL aged 48 is living in Castle Street, St. Martins in the Fields ( District 3a ) Westminster, London. She is still occupied as an Artist in Oil & Watercolours. In other newspaper reports it mentions in 1867 that Robert Dennis CHANTRELL was "before the courts" about the above mentioned animals, which numbered between 100 & 200, many were skeletons, but were Mary E's models for her Artistic work. When Robert died, Mary E was granted probate, but, in 1874, this was revoked & given to his son, Robert, by his first marriage. At that time it was stated that Robert senior was on the verge of Lunacy, & that he & Mary E had violent rows. He was originally, apparently, Mary E DEAR's guardian. On Googling the name Mary E DEAR, it appears that her Art Work is still being sold.

>From The Pall Mall Gazette ( London, England ), Friday, April 23, 1875; Issue 3176. An inquest was held yesterday at Bramley, Surrey, on the body of Miss Edith Frances FARRER , aged twelve, youngest daughter of Mr. Henry Lawrence FARRER , of Godsden, near Guildford, who met her death while out riding on the Downs on Monday. Her pony taking fright, she fell from the saddle, and her legs became entangled in the pommel, she was dragged some distance head downwards. When picked up she was quite dead. The jury returned a verdict of accidental death. Mr. FARRER complained that the police had refused to allow him to remove his daughter's body home before the inquest, although he had received the coroner's permission to do so.

>From Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper ( London, England ), Sunday, August 1, 1875; Issue 1706. "FRIED FISH SHOPS." - Two persons, William CLARK , living at Peckham, and Phoebe BARKER , of Oakley-street, Lambeth, were summoned to Lambeth police-court on Wednesday, by the Inland Revenue board for keeping open during prohibited hours without a refreshment-house licence. The police proved the sale of fish and potatoes, and the consumption of the articles in the shops. No accommodation was afforded by seats, and no knives or forks were allowed. Mr. LUSHINGTON imposed a penalty of 5 Pounds in each case, the lowest amount he could, and thought the Inland board might mitigate the amount.

Thanks to all who replied regarding my posting on the elusive Grahams I have been researching. I think I have posted details on them before, I am researching Thomas Graham, he was 20 years old in the 1901 census and 30 in the 1911 census. He was also 20 when he married in 1899. He said he was born in Bermondsey, and I have found a Thomas in the 1891 census, parents John and Catherine. I have searched other Thomas Graham records and eliminated them, I can find no record of the parents marriage, or any registrations of their children. I don't think Catherine was a widow, they are together in the 1881 census, Thomas appears to have been their first child, born after the census. John's parents were from Ireland, they had all their children baptized, one in Ireland in a Catholic church, others in London in C of E churches. Its a muddle. Carole Brett

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 Surrey census project. Another piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk This is piece RG12/572 Hambledon covering the parishes of Alfold, Bramley, Cranley (Cranleigh), Dunsfold, Graffham, Shamley Green, Wonersh. This means that there are now 10,286 (2.4%) 1891 Surrey census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to Yvonne Saunders and Gerry Warrington without their help this information would not be available. Obviously we have a long way to go and if you would like to help please contact me on [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Don't forget I also have the 1871 census available in digital format (CD) if you would like to make a contribution to the Census projects. Many thanks Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Cambridge 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk