>From Caledonian Mercury ( Edinburgh, Scotland ), Monday, June 15, 1818; Issue 15096. At Cobham, Surrey, Charles BARTHOLOMEW , aged 76. He was the third and last of the family, who were deaf and dumb; and although he was possessed of a large estate, and ( some say ) several thousand pounds in cash, he employed himself in serving bricklayers, catching moles, and any kind of drudgery.

>From Read's Weekly Journal Or British Gazetteer ( London, England ), Saturday, July 29, 1758; Issue 3989. Last Monday at the assizes at Horsham in the county of Sussex, John NOYSE and John WEAK , two smugglers, were tried and found guilty of being concerned in the murder of Thomas COLE , a dragoon, in November last, and they were ordered to be executed this morning.

>From Public Advertiser ( London, England ), Wednesday, August 15, 1759; Issue 7730. On Thursday last in the Afternoon, Thomas ANSELL , a noted Smuggler, known by the Name of Surry Tom , was executed at Horsham in Sussex, pursuant to his Sentence at the Assizes held at Lewes for that County, for being concerned with other Smugglers in shooting Thomas COLE , a Dragoon, near Elmer, in the Year 1757. The Deceased, and other Dragoons, was assisting the Custom-House Officers in hindering Smugglers from carrying off a large Quantity of Tea, etc., which they had landed out of a Cutter from Bologne, on which the Smugglers fired, and shot COLE dead on the Spot, and wounded several others; and for this Fact two of the Gang were executed, and hung in Chains last August. ANSELL declared that he was not the Man who fired off the Blunderbuss, that Day. He was a stout bold Man, and died with great Resolution, but very penitent. There was the greatest Concourse of People at the Gallows that was ever known, to whom he spoke for about a Quarter of an Hour, and said Women and excessive Drinking had brought him to this untimely End. After Execution his Body was delivered to the Surgeons to be dissected and anatomized.

Thank you Pam & Judy, you've both been most helpful and it's now fingers crossed that Maria made a claim and that it's been recorded in Petty Sessions. Will visit the UK early next year, before the Olympics !! and if I find anything I'll post it to the list with any helpful tips I gain from researching Petty Sessions records. Kind Regards. Bob in France On 27 August 2011 03:51, Judy Lester <[email protected]> wrote: > Petty sessional records for Wandsworth from 1870 onwards are at London > Metropolitan Archives (series PS/WAN). The catalogue doesn't look too > encouraging, as it refers mainly to licensing registers and transfers. > I'd recommend sending an email to LMA, to enquire whether they have what > you want. That sort of general query is normally answered free of > charge. > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pam hillier > > Therefore what you are looking for is the Petty sessions near Zennor > road I > would assume..... > Have you tried the National archives and it's offshoot, documents on > line. > www.nationalarchives.gov.uk > or > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/power-search.asp?sear > chType=powersearch > Perhaps the local government or the area or councils sometimes have > leads. > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to find out if my great grandmother took action to obtain > > child > > maintenance for my grandfather and if she did where might I find a > record > > of > > such a claim. > > But I believe him to be a Morris Browne because my grandfather was > named > > Henry *Morris Browne* Hook, and on the St.Mary's baptism page the > name of > > the father is shown as Morris Browne, but crossed out, so we have a > > baptism > > entry showing > > > > Date - Mar 7th 1883 > > Childs first name - Henry Morris Browne - > > Fathers name - Morris Browne crossed out but with mothers christian > name > > entered below, Maria. > > Surname - Hook > > address 30 Zennor Road > > Spinster > > > > Note. unfortunately Maria and son Henry do not appear on the 1891 > census > > so > > I don't know where they might have been living at that time. > > but when Maria died in 1895 she was living in Little Queen Street, > > London, > > Registration district shown on the death certificate, St. Giles. > > >

Peckham Park Primary School is just round the corner from Furley Rd. Check www.southwark.org.uk to find more info. Nickie > Message Received: Aug 27 2011, 04:56 PM > From: "Madeleine Berks" > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SRY] Schools in Peckham > > > Wow! That's sounds pretty good. Thanks a lot. Madeleine > > > ________________________________ > From: Cliff Webb > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011, 12:33 > Subject: [SRY] Schools in Peckham > > The Society of Genealogists published a book An Index to London Schools and their Records which I edited which lists any known surviving records. It is available on their website > Cliff Webb > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Wow!  That&#39;s sounds pretty good.  Thanks a lot. Madeleine ________________________________ From: Cliff Webb &lt;[email protected]&gt; To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011, 12:33 Subject: [SRY] Schools in Peckham The Society of Genealogists published a book An Index to London Schools and their Records which I edited which lists any known surviving records. It is available on their website Cliff Webb *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  [email protected]   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word &#39;unsubscribe&#39; without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Society of Genealogists published a book An Index to London Schools and their Records which I edited which lists any known surviving records. It is available on their website Cliff Webb

Hi Robert I have a booklet titled my ancestor was a bastard By Ruth Paley. First edition 2004 Briefly the 1834 the act changed where the onus went back to the mother. This act was repealed for obvious reasons ("the mother lost a great deal of her bargaining power") some ten years later in 1844 and remained "fundamentally unchanged until the 1990's, when the child support agency came into being". So basically. 1844 affiliation proceedings came into play. The person "could apply for a maintenance order before the birth of the child or up to a year after its birth". 2. "An application for a maintenance order had to be made to the petty sessional division or other jurisdiction local to the mothers residence." Therefore what you are looking for is the Petty sessions near Zennor road I would assume..... Have you tried the National archives and it's offshoot, documents on line. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk or http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/power-search.asp?searchType=powersearch Perhaps the local government or the area or councils sometimes have leads. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi, > > I am trying to find out if my great grandmother took action to obtain > child > maintenance for my grandfather and if she did where might I find a record > of > such a claim. > But I believe him to be a Morris Browne because my grandfather was named > Henry *Morris Browne* Hook, and on the St.Mary's baptism page the name of > the father is shown as Morris Browne, but crossed out, so we have a > baptism > entry showing > > Date - Mar 7th 1883 > Childs first name - Henry Morris Browne - > Fathers name - Morris Browne crossed out but with mothers christian name > entered below, Maria. > Surname - Hook > address 30 Zennor Road > Spinster > > Note. unfortunately Maria and son Henry do not appear on the 1891 census > so > I don't know where they might have been living at that time. > but when Maria died in 1895 she was living in Little Queen Street, > London, > Registration district shown on the death certificate, St. Giles.

Hi Madeleine I used to live in Consort Road, not too far from the Bus Station in Queens Road. My school was John Donne Primary School, which I believe is now called Woods Road School. This would have been from about 1950 - 1956. I don't think your dad would have gone to this school as I believe it would have been considered to far out of his area. Unfortunatley I cant remember any other schools, except the ones that have already been mentioned. I do, however, think that if you contact Southwark Council, they will be able to advise you. Good luck Mo On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Madeleine Berks <[email protected] > wrote: > My dad lived in Furley Street , Peckham as a young lad. Does anyone have > any idea where I could get information about the schools that where in his > area at that time. I would very much like to look at the archives. Thank > you Madeleine > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Maureen Burton Postal Sales ESFHS

Petty sessional records for Wandsworth from 1870 onwards are at London Metropolitan Archives (series PS/WAN). The catalogue doesn't look too encouraging, as it refers mainly to licensing registers and transfers. I'd recommend sending an email to LMA, to enquire whether they have what you want. That sort of general query is normally answered free of charge. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pam hillier Therefore what you are looking for is the Petty sessions near Zennor road I would assume..... Have you tried the National archives and it's offshoot, documents on line. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk or http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/power-search.asp?sear chType=powersearch Perhaps the local government or the area or councils sometimes have leads. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi, > > I am trying to find out if my great grandmother took action to obtain > child > maintenance for my grandfather and if she did where might I find a record > of > such a claim. > But I believe him to be a Morris Browne because my grandfather was named > Henry *Morris Browne* Hook, and on the St.Mary's baptism page the name of > the father is shown as Morris Browne, but crossed out, so we have a > baptism > entry showing > > Date - Mar 7th 1883 > Childs first name - Henry Morris Browne - > Fathers name - Morris Browne crossed out but with mothers christian name > entered below, Maria. > Surname - Hook > address 30 Zennor Road > Spinster > > Note. unfortunately Maria and son Henry do not appear on the 1891 census > so > I don't know where they might have been living at that time. > but when Maria died in 1895 she was living in Little Queen Street, > London, > Registration district shown on the death certificate, St. Giles.

Hi Madeleine The 1907ish "Board School Map" (West Surrey FHS CD) shows Furley street and Marmont road is two streets to the east (they both run more or less north-south). Here was "The Peckham Park" an LCC Elementary School. A centre for Laundry and Woodwork was attached. Further south, across Goldsmith road and further east along the latter was Stafford Street school. It was another Elementary, a Wesleyan "non-provided school" (in LCC terms). You wd probably have to have lived west of Hill street (much west of Furley street) to have gone to Sumner Road. Probably Southwark Archives is the place to contact. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madeleine Berks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: [SRY] 1912 schools in Peckham My dad lived in Furley Street , Peckham as a young lad. Does anyone have any idea where I could get information about the schools that where in his area at that time. I would very much like to look at the archives. Thank you Madeleine

Hi Jon yes her birth year has only been right once on the 1851 census and on death certificate yes it is Emma Louisa STEVENS b1849 Croydon I have got lots and lots off the 1911 census but just can not find her that's why I got that will /grant 1907 as she was mentioned on it as Emily BUCKLEY widow and it gave me a new address for 1907 but no luck her farther was James Francis STEVENS and mother Lucy Powell COULSON and I can not find the marriage for her and William BUCKLEY it is James BUCKLEY on Grace birth and Ernest has not got a father he was b Ernest STEVENS Nov 1882 mother Emma STEVENS dressmaker at 68 Ridsdale Road Penge Croydon Surrey one day she will turn up Jean Perth WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon's FH" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Trying to find Emma BUCKLEY on 1911 census > Just a point or two .... > > According to the transcript on Ancestry in 1891, Emma was 37, born 1854, > not 1849 as mentioned in previous Emails. > > The death mentioned for Emma in 1922 on the index has the middle initial > "L" which could be a clue as to finding the correct Emma. Could she be > using her middle name in 1911? > > There's a birth at Croydon 1849 of an Emma Louisa Stevens, but is this the > correct one? > I have had experience of 2nd forenames being non-existent on birth indexes > and only appearing on baptism records etc. There's a whole host of Emma > Stevens (and Emma Buckleys for that matter) in and around Surrey and > Middlesex. > > So far I have not been able to find a marriage between William Buckley and > Emma Stevens. Was the surname Stevens obtained from either Ernest or > grace's birth certificates, or deduced from the fact that an Elizabeth > Stevens was with her in certain censuses? > > Kind regards, > > Jon > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3858 - Release Date: 08/25/11 22:04:00

Hi Bob who was your George STEVENS parents? I have them in Croydon from Abt 1820 George STEVENS and Elizabeth Cater on the census from 1841 hope there is a link Jean Perth WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "robertgascoigne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Trying to find Emma BUCKLEY on 1911 census > Hello > > I have a family of Stevens in Surrey, George Stevens married Emma Kettle > and had a daughter Emma born 1858. > > Bob > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3858 - Release Date: 08/25/11 22:04:00

My dad lived in Furley Street , Peckham as a young lad.  Does anyone have any idea where I could get information about the schools that where in his area at that time.  I would very much like to look at the archives.  Thank you Madeleine

I've had another look and I can't find Emma in 1911 either - sorry Linda On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jean Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Linda it will be Emma STEVENS on census from 1851 -1881 > then on 1891 she is Emma BUCKLEY in London with husband and two children > Ernest and Grace then 1901 Emma BUCKLEY widow two children and sister > Elizabeth STEVENS > a Mr Michael BARRY was head of house at 24 Queens Road Croydon Surrey > > I managed to find Grace BUCKLEY on the 1911 census it is put down as > BUSKLEY > and she is at Wordleigh 20 Crystal Palace Park Road Kent Beckenham she was > at this same place when she got married in 1915 to Alfred John TAYLOR in > Poplar London > I will find my Emma one day I hope it is soon > Jean Perth WA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Swinbank" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [SRY] Trying to find Emma BUCKLEY on 1911 census > > > > Hi Jean > > > > I'm having a job finding any of the addresses you've given - never mind > > the > > 1911! > > > > Can you give us the census references for 1881 & 1901 please > > > > Linda > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Jean Wilson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> I am trying to find Emma Buckley nee SEVENS > >> on 1911 census b1849 Croydon - d 1922 Mile End London > >> have been for years > >> the latest I have got is 1907 she was at 61 Sunny Bank South Norwood > >> Surrey > >> a widow ( from a will) > >> I did get the 1911 census but she was not there is there any way > >> I can find out who was at that address at that time ? she was in > Portland > >> road South Norwood Surrey in 1881 census > >> 1901 Queens road Croydon > >> hope someone can help > >> Jean Perth WA > >> > >> *************************************** > >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > >> superfluous old messages in replies. > >> > >> List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > *************************************** > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > > superfluous old messages in replies. > > > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3858 - Release Date: 08/25/11 > 22:04:00 > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Linda it will be Emma STEVENS on census from 1851 -1881 then on 1891 she is Emma BUCKLEY in London with husband and two children Ernest and Grace then 1901 Emma BUCKLEY widow two children and sister Elizabeth STEVENS a Mr Michael BARRY was head of house at 24 Queens Road Croydon Surrey I managed to find Grace BUCKLEY on the 1911 census it is put down as BUSKLEY and she is at Wordleigh 20 Crystal Palace Park Road Kent Beckenham she was at this same place when she got married in 1915 to Alfred John TAYLOR in Poplar London I will find my Emma one day I hope it is soon Jean Perth WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Swinbank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Trying to find Emma BUCKLEY on 1911 census > Hi Jean > > I'm having a job finding any of the addresses you've given - never mind > the > 1911! > > Can you give us the census references for 1881 & 1901 please > > Linda > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Jean Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi >> I am trying to find Emma Buckley nee SEVENS >> on 1911 census b1849 Croydon - d 1922 Mile End London >> have been for years >> the latest I have got is 1907 she was at 61 Sunny Bank South Norwood >> Surrey >> a widow ( from a will) >> I did get the 1911 census but she was not there is there any way >> I can find out who was at that address at that time ? she was in Portland >> road South Norwood Surrey in 1881 census >> 1901 Queens road Croydon >> hope someone can help >> Jean Perth WA >> >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3858 - Release Date: 08/25/11 22:04:00

Sorry Nivard thought I had a new lead but as you say been there done that one I just had a look at Kelly's Directory 1913 for South Norwood and there is a Miss SMITH at 21 Sunny Bank I am wondering if I may have read the no wrong on the will as Emma's dad James Francis STEVENS left 500 hundred pounds to a Fanny SMITH in 1879 one of 3 fancy women he had when he died in Haiti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Trying to find Emma BUCKLEY on 1911 census > Hi Jean > > I checked this for you back in June > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-SURREY/2011-06/1308382945 > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> Hi >> I am trying to find Emma Buckley nee SEVENS >> on 1911 census b1849 Croydon - d 1922 Mile End London >> have been for years >> the latest I have got is 1907 she was at 61 Sunny Bank South Norwood >> Surrey a widow ( from a will) >> I did get the 1911 census but she was not there is there any way >> I can find out who was at that address at that time ? she was in Portland >> road South Norwood >> Surrey in 1881 census >> 1901 Queens road Croydon >> hope someone can help >> Jean Perth WA > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3858 - Release Date: 08/25/11 22:04:00

Hi, I am trying to find out if my great grandmother took action to obtain child maintenance for my grandfather and if she did where might I find a record of such a claim. >From what I've found out so far the the London Metropolitan Archives might hold records of this type and I will visit them on my next visit to the UK, but in the event I draw a blank with them is there any other place where such records might be held.. Any help or advice from the list will be much appreciated. Bob My Grandfather was born 12th Feb 1883 at 30 Zennor Road, Balham He was baptised 7th March at St.Mary's Balham, Surrey His birth Certificate is dated 13th March 1883, address 30 Zennor Road, Balham Registration district Wandsworth, Sub district Streatham, County of Surrey. There is no father named on the birth certificate, But I believe him to be a Morris Browne because my grandfather was named Henry *Morris Browne* Hook, and on the St.Mary's baptism page the name of the father is shown as Morris Browne, but crossed out, so we have a baptism entry showing Date - Mar 7th 1883 Childs first name - Henry Morris Browne - Fathers name - Morris Browne crossed out but with mothers christian name entered below, Maria. Surname - Hook address 30 Zennor Road Spinster Note. unfortunately Maria and son Henry do not appear on the 1891 census so I don't know where they might have been living at that time. but when Maria died in 1895 she was living in Little Queen Street, London, Registration district shown on the death certificate, St. Giles.

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, February 24, 1816; Issue 3279. DEATH. At Rotherfield, Sussex, aged 80, Mr. Thomas COLE , many years a respectable inhabitant of the village of Godstone, Surrey.

>From The Morning Post ( London, England ), Monday, March 19, 1855; pg. 8; Issue 25338. MARRIED. LEVETT - BALSTON . - On Thursday, the 15th inst., at St. James's, Piccadilly, William LEVETT , Esq., of London, to Roberta Anne BALSTON , of Greenhurst, near Godstone, Surrey, widow of the late George Fendall BALSTON , Esq., Albion Villa, Parkstone, Dorset.