HI All. My mum used to use this word a lot, sometimes she would say 'stop being such a Fernackapan' can anyone tell me what it actually means, where it comes from & how long it's been around for? Thanks, Kaz.

Next Sunday 25 September our neighbouring county family history society in Hampshire (HGS) will be holding their annual open day at Horndean. Surrey researchers within reach of Horndean may like to know that West Surrey FHS will be there to help with advice on Surrey research and will have all the CDs, books, and microfiche publications available. Admission and Parking are both free. Details: http://www.hgs-online.org.uk/openday.htm Ann Surrey Admin

Recent events serve to remind us that all messages sent to this Surrey forum should always have clear and meaningful subject lines. Apart from anything else, this enables us to see at a glance whether or not a message is likely to be a legitimate Surrey genealogical mailing. Messages with non-descript subject lines are, at very least, unhelpful to fellow forum members, and will quite possibly result in a message being deleted unread. Meaningful subject lines give information about "what, where and when", and have any surnames in capital letters. For example: John SMITH abt 1812, Bramley area Heritage Open Days September 2011 Guildford Poor Law Records Mary or Mercy CHAMPION, 1860s, Farnham With thanks for your help and co-operation. Ann Surrey Admin

Sadly, and not for the first time, one of our genuine Listers (Linda) has had their email address compromised. Several other forums have received similar mail on this occasion, and we've probably all seen other instances in the past few years. Surrey Listers who have been with us for a number of years will know that Linda has been a very helpful Surrey Lister over the years who has done much to make records available, and she would never knowingly have sent such junk mail. Unfortunately once an address has been compromised then the mailings are generated automatically in bulk to addresses in that person's address book and that is what has happened here (and on several other Lists that Linda uses). I've removed the compromised address from Surrey and have arranged removal of the message from the archives. Please delete it unread. It is hoped Linda will be back with us with a new address before too long. Ann Surrey Admin

Hi Everyone I see that the Tithe Records for Surrey are now on CD (or DVD in some cases). Congratulations are due to all connected with the Heritage Centre who beavered away for several years on this project. Daphne in Bournemouth

I stated that Alfred J. White was born in Brixton when it was Brighton. Bill

Two sisters are mentioned in the obituary of a Charles Edward Dalton who died in Port Angeles, Washington State sometime between the 1930-40's. Charles was born in Surrey and married Margarite Crowe. He was variously a laborer, artilleryman, watchman, worked on the Northern Pacific Railway as a chef, and later as a farmer and a contractor. He also lived in Camberwell, London where some of his children were born. He emigrated to Canada and the US, moving back and forth between the two until he stopped moving about and came to rest in the US. His obituary poses a bit of a puzzle for me. It states that he leaves two sisters, one in England and the other in Oz. The two candidates for his sisters would be Margarite Louisa Dalton, born 1862 in Aldborough, Suffolk and Florence Beatrice Ann Dalton, born 1863 in Camberwell (this fellow moved a lot from the different places his wife had their children). Margarite married a William Williams Jun. 25, 1882 (I haven't found his birth yet) while Florence married a Alfred John Henry White on Jan. 7, 1883 (he was born 1858 in Brixton, Sussex). The last time that I found Florence was in the 1891 census while she and her husband were living in the household of her father. So far I haven't found Margarite and her husband after their marriage. So, which went and which didn't? Bill in drizzly Gig Harbor

Hello all This is interesting...I have had to go to the archives to read the answers to my question. For some reason I haven't gotten any new traffic from the line. Has anyone else had that problem? But, thank you all who have replied. It certainly makes it fun trying to figure out what that fellow wrote when his R's and B's are alike. Pity there isn't some way to go back and teach them to be more considerate of us. I have found a William Redman Dalton who apparently was born and died in 1870 and will have to work him back. Again, thanks for all the good information. Bill in rainy Gig Harbor

Hi Bill and Jean,  This transcriber's writing leaves a lot to be desired.  Having a sub to the big A this year, i was able to open the link. It certainly looks BEDMAN, Elizabeth Bedman doing as Jean did, comparing the initial letter. However, there are names stating with R that look suspiciously like B's or could go either way.  I checked the link transcriptions below the image and it's been transcribed by the big A as Bedman, though transcriptions have to be viewed as open to suspicion especially with difficult or lazy writing.  i then compared it, as you did, with other entries entries plus those on the following 2 pages. It could well be an R. Family Search transcribes the name as Redman The entry following your couple's is transcribed as Samuel Hombton & Elizabeth Banter.  The B is nothing like yours. Family search transcribes them as Samuel Hemblow & Elizabeth Punten I suspect it is Sam. Hornblow & Elzth _?  could go either way or be neither. At the foot of your page there is a Robert Portus marrying a Jane Boss. The r for Robert shows that the transcribers R's and B's are often very alike Family search has it as Robert Portus m. Jane Row I suspect Jane's name is actually Ross i checked also against the ad / ed / od letters of your Elizabeth's name. e's and o's often get confused with each other in older writing.  This transcriber's d has even been written like the ch in Bachelor.  hence taking a closer look at other entries. The following page has a Goodman.  I think yours is more like '_edman' I had a look at Family Searches results and they have Elizabeth Redman, England Marriages 1538 - 1973     groom's name:    William Dalton bride's name:    Elizabeth Redman marriage date:    16 Jan 1803 marriage place:    Mitcham, Surrey, England indexing project (batch) number:    M07152-2 system origin:    England-ODM source film number:    991691 Even though i've been chasing names for years and have even been involved in voluntary transcribing, this register page is an eye-opener as to how far wide of the track a transcriber's notion of a name can be, and one has to bear in mind that this is a transcription of an original register!  So what mistakes might have been made at that stage? And yes, i agree.  It says "of the Parish of Mitcham in the County of Surrey, Bachelor" corroborating the title at the top.  The following entries all read 'of this parish' until a later one which is MDX If you can find all their kids, Bill, you may find one child - or grandchild - with a middle name that clarifies your Elizabeth's maiden name. Hope this is some help happy digging le durachd fionnghal ----------------------------------------------------- Bill Dalton wrote: >    I am trying to read where a William Dalton was residing (in which > parish) according to the marriage record.  He apparently was not > residing in the parish where the marriage took place.  He married an > Elizabeth Redman, Jan. 16, 1803, at St. Peter and St. Paul in Mitcham. >    I found the document on Ancestry and the URL is > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1623&iid=31419_A104023-00000&fn=William&ln=Dalton&st=r&ssrc=&pid=10042814 >    The reason that I send the URL is that it is a single page that was > copied from somewhere. >    My question is, what parish was he a member of?  I read Lohan or Loham. > Where would that be located?  Also, what was the surname of the second > witness?  Thos Giles? ------------------------------------------------ Hallo The page is a copy of the marriage register.  It looks like a copy that was made at the time.  Perhaps a Bishops Transcript? The bride's name looks like Badman.  Look at the B in bachlor and banns in the next entry. I think the groom is from Mitcham. The second witness is Thos Giles. The link you sent did not work. Jean Hunter

Bill Dalton wrote: > I am trying to read where a William Dalton was residing (in which > parish) according to the marriage record. He apparently was not > residing in the parish where the marriage took place. He married an > Elizabeth Redman, Jan. 16, 1803, at St. Peter and St. Paul in Mitcham. > > I found the document on Ancestry and the URL is > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1623&iid=31419_A104023-00000&fn=William&ln=Dalton&st=r&ssrc=&pid=10042814 > > The reason that I send the URL is that it is a single page that was > copied from somewhere. > > My question is, what parish was he a member of? I read Lohan or Loham. > Where would that be located? Also, what was the surname of the second > witness? Thos Giles? Hallo The page is a copy of the marriage register. It looks like a copy that was made at the time. Perhaps a Bishops Transcript? The bride's name looks like Badman. Look at the B in bachlor and banns in the next entry. I think the groom is from Mitcham. The second witness is Thos Giles. The link you sent did not work. Jean Hunter Kent

Hi Bill It seems clear to me that it states Mitcham in the County of Surrey Why the clerk entered it that way and not Of this Parish is odd but perhaps he had entered "the" instead of "this" and carried on And yes I would say Tho's (Thomas) GILES Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am trying to read where a William Dalton was residing (in which > parish) according to the marriage record. He apparently was not > residing in the parish where the marriage took place. He married an > Elizabeth Redman, Jan. 16, 1803, at St. Peter and St. Paul in Mitcham. > > I found the document on Ancestry and the URL is > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1623&iid=31419_A104023-00000&fn=William&ln=Dalton&st=r&ssrc=&pid=10042814 > > The reason that I send the URL is that it is a single page that was > copied from somewhere. > > My question is, what parish was he a member of? I read Lohan or Loham. > Where would that be located? Also, what was the surname of the second > witness? Thos Giles? > > Bill

Hello Bob, >From FreeBMD, how about Marriages Mar qtr.1869 DENBIGH George to BRANNON Mary Anne Newington R.D. ? Best wishes, Chris Townsend ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spicer Bob" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: [SRY] Missing DENBY >I am looking for my GG uncle George DENBY. He was baptised 08-NOV-1829 in > Mitcham Surrey, and died 1894 in West Ham Essex. I can track him until > 1851 > when he was living with his mother Ann DENBY in Mitcham. He then > disappears > until the 1881 Census when he is living at 8 Elphick Street Plaistow, with > his wife Mary A DENBY, who was born in Brighton Sussex. I can find no > trace > of a marriage, and have searched the 1861/71 census on both Ancestry and > Findmypast and can find neither of them. Can anyone suggest any way of > finding the marriage, or where he may have been from 1851 to 1881

Hello Bob, It may be worth looking at the surname of DEBNY, I used to work with a girl with the surname DEBNEY she came from around the Kingston, Ham area, not far from Mitcham. It is an easy mistake to make, just a thought. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spicer Bob" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: [SRY] Missing DENBY >I am looking for my GG uncle George DENBY. He was baptised >08-NOV-1829 in > Mitcham Surrey, and died 1894 in West Ham Essex. I can track him > until 1851 > when he was living with his mother Ann DENBY in Mitcham. He then > disappears > until the 1881 Census when he is living at 8 Elphick Street > Plaistow, with > his wife Mary A DENBY, who was born in Brighton Sussex. I can find > no trace > of a marriage, and have searched the 1861/71 census on both Ancestry > and > Findmypast and can find neither of them. Can anyone suggest any way > of > finding the marriage, or where he may have been from 1851 to 1881 > ***************************************

I am trying to read where a William Dalton was residing (in which parish) according to the marriage record. He apparently was not residing in the parish where the marriage took place. He married an Elizabeth Redman, Jan. 16, 1803, at St. Peter and St. Paul in Mitcham. I found the document on Ancestry and the URL is http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1623&iid=31419_A104023-00000&fn=William&ln=Dalton&st=r&ssrc=&pid=10042814 The reason that I send the URL is that it is a single page that was copied from somewhere. My question is, what parish was he a member of? I read Lohan or Loham. Where would that be located? Also, what was the surname of the second witness? Thos Giles? Bill

I am looking for my GG uncle George DENBY. He was baptised 08-NOV-1829 in Mitcham Surrey, and died 1894 in West Ham Essex. I can track him until 1851 when he was living with his mother Ann DENBY in Mitcham. He then disappears until the 1881 Census when he is living at 8 Elphick Street Plaistow, with his wife Mary A DENBY, who was born in Brighton Sussex. I can find no trace of a marriage, and have searched the 1861/71 census on both Ancestry and Findmypast and can find neither of them. Can anyone suggest any way of finding the marriage, or where he may have been from 1851 to 1881

building or repairing a well?  We forget about the things folk got up to 200yrs ago because we don't do them anymore.  I suppose if anyone is really taken with the puzzle and lives in London, there might be archives about it at one of the museums.  :-) le durachd fionnghal ________________________________ >From Jackson's Oxford Journal (  Oxford, England ), Saturday, July 19, 1800; Issue 2464. LONDON, July  15. A man working a few days ago in the garden of the Red Lion , Egham,  discovered a large stone, at the distance of nine feet from the surface, having  four rings of iron fastened to it.  On communicating this circumstance to  Mr. GRAVE , he assisted the man in removing it, and on doing so found a vaulted  cavity of about four feet diameter, in which was placed a large jar, containing  a great number of copper-coins, a cross of ebony, a small chain of copper, from  which was suspended a silver medal, perfectly preserved, and having the  following inscription: "Mil : doc : Jesus : ob : tr : 1450 :"    -   Many antiquarians have delivered their opinions on the translation  of the words; but nothing has yet transpired in respect of the  authenticity. N.B. This makes interesting reading, but, it doesn't seem  to appear in other newspapers, nor can we find any mention of it by "Googling"  so should be taken with a "pinch of salt".   One fact mentioned, that  seems "odd" to us, is the fact that a gardener was digging 9 feet down.   WHY ???? Also, what date was on the copper-coins ?  Surely they would  have given some clue as to when the large jar was placed there. 

Going to bury some one ? Did he dig in the dark LOl? Dirty deeds found out . Althea -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 13 September 2011 20:49 To: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] Gardener at Red Lion, Egham, & Mr. GRAVE ( 1800 ) >From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, July 19, 1800; Issue 2464. LONDON, July 15. A man working a few days ago in the garden of the Red Lion , Egham, discovered a large stone, at the distance of nine feet from the surface, having four rings of iron fastened to it. On communicating this circumstance to Mr. GRAVE , he assisted the man in removing it, and on doing so found a vaulted cavity of about four feet diameter, in which was placed a large jar, containing a great number of copper-coins, a cross of ebony, a small chain of copper, from which was suspended a silver medal, perfectly preserved, and having the following inscription: "Mil : doc : Jesus : ob : tr : 1450 :" - Many antiquarians have delivered their opinions on the translation of the words; but nothing has yet transpired in respect of the authenticity. N.B. This makes interesting reading, but, it doesn't seem to appear in other newspapers, nor can we find any mention of it by "Googling" so should be taken with a "pinch of salt". One fact mentioned, that seems "odd" to us, is the fact that a gardener was digging 9 feet down. WHY ???? Also, what date was on the copper-coins ? Surely they would have given some clue as to when the large jar was placed there. *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, July 19, 1800; Issue 2464. LONDON, July 15. A man working a few days ago in the garden of the Red Lion , Egham, discovered a large stone, at the distance of nine feet from the surface, having four rings of iron fastened to it. On communicating this circumstance to Mr. GRAVE , he assisted the man in removing it, and on doing so found a vaulted cavity of about four feet diameter, in which was placed a large jar, containing a great number of copper-coins, a cross of ebony, a small chain of copper, from which was suspended a silver medal, perfectly preserved, and having the following inscription: "Mil : doc : Jesus : ob : tr : 1450 :" - Many antiquarians have delivered their opinions on the translation of the words; but nothing has yet transpired in respect of the authenticity. N.B. This makes interesting reading, but, it doesn't seem to appear in other newspapers, nor can we find any mention of it by "Googling" so should be taken with a "pinch of salt". One fact mentioned, that seems "odd" to us, is the fact that a gardener was digging 9 feet down. WHY ???? Also, what date was on the copper-coins ? Surely they would have given some clue as to when the large jar was placed there.

Hi Everyone Just to remind everyone.... Croydon East Surrey FHS Our meeting on Tuesday 20th September at the United Reformed Church Addiscombe Grove. Doors Open at 7.30 pm and the meeting starts at 8.00pm. Our speaker this month is Geoff Bridger and the subject is "Forgotten Heroes of World War I” If you have any friends who are interested in Family History, non-members are always welcome. Free tea, coffee and biscuits provided. We look forward to seeing you there. Regards Mary Gill Croydon Group Talks Secretary. -- Maureen Burton Postal Sales ESFHS

Hi Rex >From FreeBMD Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%) BURBRIDGE James Richard Hollingbourn 2a 1247 WOOD Mary Ann Hollingbourn 2a 1247 Best wishes Caroline > > Percy was b1885 in Limpsfield, parents William WOOD and Mary Ann > FARRANCE. > in the 1891 census he is listed with James Burbridge and Mary Ann as a > stepson. > I have been unble to trace the family changes! > Any suggestions? > Regards > Rex