>From FreeBMD: Births Dec qtr 1860 DALTON Margarite Louisa Camberwell R.D. which agrees with the 1881 census via Familysearch, that she was b.Camberwell: 1881 census 9 Bowles Rd, Camberwell Frederick C. DALTON Head M Male 56 Mitcham, Surrey, Solicitors Clerk Margarite DALTON Wife M Female 55 Aldboro, Suffolk Fredk. W. DALTON Son W Male 31 Dalston, Middlesex, Solicitors Clerk Margarete DALTON Dau U Female 19 Camberwell, Surrey, Dressmaker Florence B. DALTON Dau U Female 18 Camberwell, Surrey,Photographic Artist Using the indexes alone of FindMyPast, I find what looks like the household of William and Margarite still in Camberwell R.D. (where they married) in the 1891 census: WILLIAMS, William, Head, marr., age 29 WILLIAMS, Marguerite L, wife, age 29 WILLIAMS, William F, son, age 6 WILLIAMS, Sidney V, son, age 3 WILLIAMS, Dorothy, dau, age 0 Anyone see them after 1891? Best wishes, Chris Townsend > Two sisters are mentioned in the obituary of a Charles Edward Dalton who > died in Port Angeles, Washington State sometime between the 1930-40's. > Charles was born in Surrey and married Margarite Crowe. He was > variously a laborer, artilleryman, watchman, worked on the Northern > Pacific Railway as a chef, and later as a farmer and a contractor. He > also lived in Camberwell, London where some of his children were born. > He emigrated to Canada and the US, moving back and forth between the two > until he stopped moving about and came to rest in the US. > > His obituary poses a bit of a puzzle for me. It states that he leaves > two sisters, one in England and the other in Oz. > > The two candidates for his sisters would be Margarite Louisa Dalton, > born 1862 in Aldborough, Suffolk and Florence Beatrice Ann Dalton, born > 1863 in Camberwell (this fellow moved a lot from the different places > his wife had their children). Margarite married a William Williams Jun. > 25, 1882 (I haven't found his birth yet) while Florence married a Alfred > John Henry White on Jan. 7, 1883 (he was born 1858 in Brixton, Sussex). > > The last time that I found Florence was in the 1891 census while she and > her husband were living in the household of her father. So far I > haven't found Margarite and her husband after their marriage. > > So, which went and which didn't? > > Bill in drizzly Gig Harbor

I noticed that Croydon is not listed among the places that the records apply to. Might that be somewhere else or coming in a future project? I also notice that the index doesn't tell you where to look for that person so that you can tie that name to a place. Am I missing something? Bill

Yes dear Listers, You can go on to YouTube and hear the old HMV record of Gracie Fields singing "Fred Fernnackapan" - a good recording considering how long a go it was!! Renee Oz.

In Canada when I was young TWERP meant someone who was small and silly or a nuisance.. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adele" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:04 AM Subject: [SRY] sayings Don't you just love the old fashioned sayings!!! Proverbs too, bet the school children off today wouldn't know about either. I am trying to think what my late father used to call his daughters.. bet I remember as soon as I send this message! . no here is comes, TWERPS.. now what does this mean please!!! Thanks. Adele

A search on the internet provided the definition for the noun TWERP(S) as follows: twerp, twirp --noun Informal - a silly, weak-minded, or contemptible person [of unknown origin] twerpy , twirpy -- adjective -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adele Sent: Monday, 19 September, 2011 12:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] sayings Don't you just love the old fashioned sayings!!! Proverbs too, bet the school children off today wouldn't know about either. I am trying to think what my late father used to call his daughters.. bet I remember as soon as I send this message! . no here is comes, TWERPS.. now what does this mean please!!! Thanks. Adele *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3907 - Release Date: 09/19/11

Hello Surrey Listers, It did make me smile and a memory jog seeing that name. In my ancient age group I seem to remember it was in a song of sorts and my mum/dad always referred to Fred Fernackapan - like - when something went wrong it was always "it's Fred Fernackapan" !! He was always handy to blame..... Well bor, us Norfolkians allus had suffen gorn wrong!! Best Regards, Renee Oz.

Kaz Have you tried searching the web. Lots of information. Best answer I've seen is that it's from a WW2 song by Gracie Fields. vb -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kaz Sent: Sunday, 18 September, 2011 11:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SRY] Fernackapan HI All. My mum used to use this word a lot, sometimes she would say 'stop being such a Fernackapan' can anyone tell me what it actually means, where it comes from & how long it's been around for? Thanks, Kaz. *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3907 - Release Date: 09/19/11

Looks like we all had the same mother..LOL Mary Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: [SRY] FW: Fernackapan > Well that's an expression I haven't heard in ages. My mother also used to > use that term quite often > GLoria > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > Sent: 18 September 2011 22:05 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SRY] Fernackapan > > Hi Kaz > > I think you will find its Fanny Fernackapan > > Used as in "you know, Fanny Fernackapan up the road" > > A general cover all name for anyone you either can't remember the name of > or > don't want to divulge > :-) > > Rather as you would use Fred BLOGGS or John DOE to describe a bloke > > Also used for a troublesome child who was being awkward for some reason > :-) > > In my youth, children were often called by Fanny Fernackapan and similar > > You would probably get sued by a five year old for using it these days :-( > > (probably breaches their human rights or something <g>) > > I seem to recall in previous conversations on this it was a either a line > in > a song or a music hall > artist of something, can't quite remember now > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> HI All. >> My mum used to use this word a lot, sometimes she would say 'stop being > such >> a Fernackapan' can anyone tell me what it actually means, where it comes >> from & how long it's been around for? >> Thanks, >> Kaz. > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Alfred John Henry White's probate appears in the National Probate calendar in 1938 probate granted to his widow Florence Beatrice Ann White. The address 71 Ditchling Road, Brighton. I think it was the other sister who left England??? Ann > Two sisters are mentioned in the obituary of a Charles Edward Dalton who > died in Port Angeles, Washington State sometime between the 1930-40's. > Charles was born in Surrey and married Margarite Crowe. He was > variously a laborer, artilleryman, watchman, worked on the Northern > Pacific Railway as a chef, and later as a farmer and a contractor. He > also lived in Camberwell, London where some of his children were born. > He emigrated to Canada and the US, moving back and forth between the two > until he stopped moving about and came to rest in the US. > > His obituary poses a bit of a puzzle for me. It states that he leaves > two sisters, one in England and the other in Oz. > > The two candidates for his sisters would be Margarite Louisa Dalton, > born 1862 in Aldborough, Suffolk and Florence Beatrice Ann Dalton, born > 1863 in Camberwell (this fellow moved a lot from the different places > his wife had their children). Margarite married a William Williams Jun. > 25, 1882 (I haven't found his birth yet) while Florence married a Alfred > John Henry White on Jan. 7, 1883 (he was born 1858 in Brixton, Sussex). > > The last time that I found Florence was in the 1891 census while she and > her husband were living in the household of her father. So far I > haven't found Margarite and her husband after their marriage. > > So, which went and which didn't? > > Bill in drizzly Gig Harbor > >

I mind it being stronger, but up here in the chilly north it would most likely be preceded by 'right' in order to strengthen it.  a right eejit!  a right twerp!  a right twit!  if it's a dad saying it, i'd imagine it being relatively mild.  maybe if a kiddy had dropped and smashed a cup or something relatively harmless, or even had only been behaving in a perfectly reasonably childish manner  :-).  eejit and twit are the commonest forms up here, but both meaning, 'nincompoop'.  I never, personally, heard it used to describe an objectionable or insignificant person but it may vary from one locality to another There's a range of interesting books on proverbs and sayings, but they're mostly general British or Gaelic; it'd be really interesting to come on one produced from a specific county or locality.  They'd vary; a lot of these old saying came out of industry, craft, trade, weather, &c, so you might get a totally different flavour of the culture between one area and another.  It would certainly make interesting reading. Fionnghal ___________________________ A twerp was always used as a mild name for someone a little silly or who had done something foolish OED has it in rather stronger terms but I would not recognise its use in that form or at east only the last description (another word we don't hear much these days :-) twerp, n. Forms:  Also twirp. Etymology:  Of uncertain origin. See quots. 1944, 1957; T. W. Earp of Exeter College, Oxford, matriculated in Michaelmas Term, 1911.... slang. A despicable or objectionable person; an insignificant person, a nobody; a nincompoop. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _____ > Don't you just love the old fashioned sayings!!! Proverbs too, bet the > school children off today wouldn't know about either. I am trying to think > what my late father used to call his daughters.. bet I remember as soon as I > send this message! . no here is comes,  TWERPS.. now what does this mean > please!!!

Hi Adele A twerp was always used as a mild name for someone a little silly or who had done something foolish OED has it in rather stronger terms but I would not recognise its use in that form or at east only the last description (another word we don't hear much these days :-) twerp, n. Forms: Also twirp. Etymology: Of uncertain origin. See quots. 1944, 1957; T. W. Earp of Exeter College, Oxford, matriculated in Michaelmas Term, 1911.... slang. A despicable or objectionable person; an insignificant person, a nobody; a nincompoop. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Don't you just love the old fashioned sayings!!! Proverbs too, bet the > school children off today wouldn't know about either. I am trying to think > what my late father used to call his daughters.. bet I remember as soon as I > send this message! . no here is comes, TWERPS.. now what does this mean > please!!! > > > > Thanks. > > > > Adele

eejits!  :-) From: Adele <[email protected]> Don't you just love the old fashioned sayings!!! Proverbs too, bet the school children off today wouldn't know about either. I am trying to think what my late father used to call his daughters.. bet I remember as soon as I send this message! . no here is comes,  TWERPS.. now what does this mean please!!!

Thank you for that Nivard it was Fanny Fernackerpan and now I remember how it was said. Thank you once again Patricia

I have no idea what it means but my mother used to call us girls Madam Fernackerpan many years ago Patricia

>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daphne Harvey >> I see that the Tithe Records for Surrey are now on CD (or DVD in some >> cases). Congratulations are due to all connected with the Heritage >> Centre >> who beavered away for several years on this project. >From: "Taylor, Keith" <[email protected]> > Tantalizingly little information given away here. Details please. Details of the project on the Surrey History Centre website here:- http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/sccwebsite/sccwspages.nsf/LookupWebPagesByTITLE_RTF/Surrey+tithe+records+CDs+and+DVDs?opendocument Apart from CD/DVD the records are free to view at SHC. Ann Surrey Admin

Keith and listers, Details of the Surrey Tithes project and availability of DVDs etc may be found on the Surrey History Cenre's website. Try this link http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/sccwebsite/sccwspages.nsf/LookupWebPagesByTITLE_RTF/Surrey+tithe+records+CDs+and+DVDs?opendocument Cheers Richard Brown > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:22:24 +0100 > From: "Taylor, Keith" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SRY] tithe maps > > Tantalisingly little information given away here. Details please. > > -- > Keith Taylor > Somerset UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daphne Harvey > Sent: 17 September 2011 18:19 > To: surrey lists family-hist-soc > Subject: [SRY] tithe maps > > Hi Everyone > I see that the Tithe Records for Surrey are now on CD (or DVD in some > cases).  Congratulations are due to all connected with the Heritage Centre > who beavered  away for several years on this project. > > Daphne in Bournemouth > *************************************** -- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society          )   And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/           )   very Lincolnshire Family History Society       )  good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/          )  company.

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Well that's an expression I haven't heard in ages. My mother also used to use that term quite often GLoria -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 18 September 2011 22:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SRY] Fernackapan Hi Kaz I think you will find its Fanny Fernackapan Used as in "you know, Fanny Fernackapan up the road" A general cover all name for anyone you either can't remember the name of or don't want to divulge :-) Rather as you would use Fred BLOGGS or John DOE to describe a bloke Also used for a troublesome child who was being awkward for some reason :-) In my youth, children were often called by Fanny Fernackapan and similar You would probably get sued by a five year old for using it these days :-( (probably breaches their human rights or something <g>) I seem to recall in previous conversations on this it was a either a line in a song or a music hall artist of something, can't quite remember now Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > HI All. > My mum used to use this word a lot, sometimes she would say 'stop being such > a Fernackapan' can anyone tell me what it actually means, where it comes > from & how long it's been around for? > Thanks, > Kaz. *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kaz sorry for the delay in replying but life has been hard here for the last few weeks. I don’t recall any of the names you gave but I am only on Plot B so far and have 2 more plots to do plus odd ones. So I will look out for them and let you know. Colin -----Original Message----- From: e-mail kazig Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SRY] Croydon Cemetery Mitcham Road I also think i got relations there as well, the surname is Keeley, Not sure if any had headstones but your help is appreciated either way Thanks Kaz. *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1808 / Virus Database: 2085/4499 - Release Date: 09/15/11

Hi Kaz I think you will find its Fanny Fernackapan Used as in "you know, Fanny Fernackapan up the road" A general cover all name for anyone you either can't remember the name of or don't want to divulge :-) Rather as you would use Fred BLOGGS or John DOE to describe a bloke Also used for a troublesome child who was being awkward for some reason :-) In my youth, children were often called by Fanny Fernackapan and similar You would probably get sued by a five year old for using it these days :-( (probably breaches their human rights or something <g>) I seem to recall in previous conversations on this it was a either a line in a song or a music hall artist of something, can't quite remember now Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > HI All. > My mum used to use this word a lot, sometimes she would say 'stop being such > a Fernackapan' can anyone tell me what it actually means, where it comes > from & how long it's been around for? > Thanks, > Kaz.