Hi Pamela, Many thanks for the index entries, I too have been trawling the 1851 for Nth Staffs for her among others. The problem is that I don't really know who Maryan was. I know my grandmothers maternal grandmother was, certainly not a Bywater. I don't know who my grandmother's, nor her siblings, father was, as he was not shown on their bcs., so that makes it harder. Thanks for your help, maybe SKS with the 1851 Sth Staffs might look up those references for me?? TIA. Regards, Keith, in N.Z.