Hi Tony, My knowledge of the geography of the potteries is not very good, so I will just tell you what I have. On the 1891 census Joseph Leese living in Penkhull Terrace, age 62, milk seller, Born Stoke, Wife Betsy, Children Kate, Charles Joseph (My husband's grandfather) & Joseph B. Grandson James E. Roberts Next door was Thomas Leese his son & his family Wife Maude & children Anne, William & Lillian On the 1881 census Betsy was Head, Joseph was not there. Thomas age 16 was living at home and there was an older daughter Emily. This is about as much as I know at the moment. Jeanne _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband