Mark, Benjamin is already in Northumberland in 1861 Name: Benjamin Pope Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1813 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Benjamin Pope abt 1813 Hanley, Staffordshire, England Head Alnwick Northumberland Joseph Pope abt 1841 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Son Alnwick Northumberland Mary Pope abt 1821 Swarlding Tencs, Northumberland, England Wife Alnwick Northumberland Civil parish: Alnwick Ecclesiatical parish: St Paul Town: Alnwick County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: Crown inn Yard Occupation: Glass and China Merchant Source information: RG9/3879 Registration district: Alnwick Sub-registration district: Alnwick ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 31 Page: 25 Assuming Joseph was their eldest son, they might have married after civil registration began, and the marriage certificate would have his father's name. It looks as though they might have married in Northumberland though, since Joseph was born there, and Mary came from there. This is the reference ( from Free BMD ) for Joseph's birth Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page  Births Mar 1841 Pope  Joseph    Morpeth  25 326 If you get that, it will give you Mary's maiden name, and that will help you in searching for the marriage. Presumably you have this from 1881 for Joseph Household:  Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability  Joseph POPE   Head   M   Male   40   Morpeth, Northumberland, England   China Merchant      Sabra Elizabeth POPE   Wife   M   Female   31   Longton, Stafford, England         Ethel Mary POPE   Daughter      Female   1   Alnwick, Northumberland, England         Benjamin Tunnicliffe POPE   Son      Male   7 m   Alnwick, Northumberland, England         Isaac Edward TUNNICLIFFE   Boarder   U   Male   25   Longton, Stafford, England   China Merchant Assistant     Source Information:   Dwelling   Bondgate   Census Place Alnwick, Northumberland, England   Family History Library Film   1342237   Public Records Office Reference   RG11   Piece / Folio   5122 / 11   Page Number   15 Death certificate for Benjamin will not tell you anything about his parents. You could contact the Staffordshire Record Office and ask for a search and copy of the baptism entry. Hope this helps, Anne On 29 May 2005, at 18:15, <barkerma@absamail.co.za> wrote: > Brickwall - advice needed please! > > Benjamin Pope born 1813 (before registration) Hanley, Staffordshire. > Died > June 1879 @ age 66 Alnwick, Northumberland. I am trying to find his > parents. > Have 1871 Census - no info. I do not have the 1861 - it may just be > possible > that one or both his parents alive living with him??? I can order death > notice - died Alnwick - June 1879 - 10b - 230 - will this give me any > info > on his parents? His oldest (and only that we know of) son's name was > Joseph > born 1841 Morpeth - does this mean that his grandfather may have been > Joseph? We have always believed that Benjamins father was Joseph. What > is my > next step? Try to find out the names of the churches in 1813 in Hanley > (for > bap cer)? Oh yes, I have searched the IGI - no clues! > Any advice welcome > > kind regards > > Mark Barker > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/05 > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >