Hello Listers: I am new to the list, and looking forward to sharing info with others researching their ancestors in The Potteries. I have listed my family below and would be happy to hear from anyone who recognizes any of the names. One of my favourite books is When I Was a Child by Charles Shaw who was born in Burslem in 1832. It is an amazing look at what it was like to grow up during that time. Cheers for now Pamela White (nee Whittingham) in cold and rainy Victoria BC Canada P.S. I have the BVRI and the 1881 Census if anyone needs a lookup. Ancestors of Joseph Whittingham Generation No. 1 1. Joseph Whittingham, born 30 June 1841 in Tunstall, Staffordshire, England; died Bet. April - June 1905 in Plymouth, Devon, England. He was the son of 2. John Whittingham and 3. Mary Walton. He married (1) Emma Gale 2 September 1866 in Plymouth, Devon, England. She was born 17 January 1847 in Launceston, Cornwall, England, and died Bet. January - March 1922 in Plymouth, Devon, England. She was the daughter of Roger Gale and Elizabeth Hoskin. Generation No. 2 2. John Whittingham, born 6 April 1816 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; died 21 April 1852 in Tunstall, Staffordshire, England. He was the son of 4. William Whittingham and 5. Ann Whittingham. He married 3. Mary Walton 7 June 1835 in Stoke-Upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England. 3. Mary Walton, born Abt. 1816 in Staffordshire, England; died Abt. December 1849 in Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England. Children of John Whittingham and Mary Walton are: i. Ann Whittingham, born Abt. 1837 in Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England; married James Harris 28 September 1857 in Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England. 1 ii. Joseph Whittingham, born 30 June 1841 in Tunstall, Staffordshire, England; died Bet. April - June 1905 in Plymouth, Devon, England; married Emma Gale 2 September 1866 in Plymouth, Devon, England. iii. Mary Whittingham, born 27 December 1846 in Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England. Generation No. 3 4. William Whittingham, born 27 June 1784 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; died 28 October 1842 in Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England. He was the son of 8. Heber Whittingham and 9. Catherine. He married 5. Ann Whittingham. 5. Ann Whittingham, born Abt. 1787 in Staffordshire, England; died 31 August 1818 in St. John, Burslem, Staffordshire, England. Children of William Whittingham and Ann Whittingham are: i. Joseph Whittingham, born 13 September 1807 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; died 8 July 1835 in St. John, Burslem, Staffordshire, England. ii. Samuel Whittingham, born 11 August 1811 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; died 1 May 1857 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; married Eliza Tilstone 28 June 1834 in Stoke-Upon-Trent, Stafford, England; born 21 July 1811 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England. 2 iii. John Whittingham, born 6 April 1816 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; died 21 April 1852 in Tunstall, Staffordshire, England; married Mary Walton 7 June 1835 in Stoke-Upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England. iv. James Whittingham, born Abt. 1818 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; died 31 October 1874. Generation No. 4 8. Heber Whittingham He married 9. Catherine Abt. 1771. 9. Catherine, died 25 October 1810 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England. Children of Heber Whittingham and Catherine are: i. Peggy Whittingham, born 16 April 1775 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England. ii. John Whittingham, born 25 December 1776 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; died 25 October 1778 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England. iii. John Whittingham, born 14 April 1779 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England. iv. William Whittingham, born 5 May 1782 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; died 1 June 1783 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England. v. William Whittingham, born 27 June 1784 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England; died 28 October 1842 in Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England; married (1) Ann Whittingham; married (2) Sarah. vi. Samuel Whittingham, born 18 February 1787 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England. vii. Mary Whittingham, born 18 October 1789 in Burslem, Staffordshire, England.

This message has been sent without an attachment. Hi Ethel, Your aunt 80 years young ? Bless her heart. Marl holes (of which there are still one or two derelicts about !) were huge things hundreds of feet across and hundreds of feet deep with steep, uneven sides and headed in their working days by a smoking brickworks or tilery. .........but ALWAYS with a deadly,treachorous pool at the bottom. No-one ever went swimming in a marlhole pool's cold, deep, highly coloured waters with its banks of slippery clay. From time to time the Evening Sentinel would report the sad fate of some poor soul 'found drowned'.......a suicide or a poor child who had been after newts or somesuch.......in one or the other of the Potteries many marl-holes. The majority have nowadays been filled in with rubbish...even built on.......but some still exist !! From Shelton Bar to Longport would have been a well used walk 'wom' along a length that held by far the most 'warm holes' that side of Harecastle tunnel......".and ah reckon, ducks, that t'chap....a mite tired after a 10 or 11 hours hard dees work...jus' missed 'is wee....stumbled..... an' fell in! ....but, as ah wonner theer ah conner vaych fo' it, they noost." Anyways...he would not have been alone and his mates would have soon fished him out.....just hope it was'nt Winter !!!! Thanks, Ethel, for a living bit of that chaps now distant daily life.......and, I hope. written up aginst his place in the Family Tree. Regards, Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ethel Carroll <ethel.carroll@talk21.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [STS] Re: The Warm Holes ? > My aunt who is 80 and comes from DaleHall and Longport says that the warm > holes were in fact known as Marl holes and a swim in the warm water made you > brown all over. Her father fell in one on his way home from Shelton Bar in > ww1 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Wood" <lakhri@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [STS] Re: The Warm Holes ? > > > > > > This message has been sent without an attachment. > > > > Hi John, > > > > Yes....they ( t'wome 'oles) were along that length of the canal backing > > Shelton Bar. > > ...and , yes, Tunstall Bridge was on that selfsame length....and it WAS a > > very popular swimming place for the lads. Really, was trying to > kick-start > > some nostalgia sessions abt the old days of Potteries life...the everyday > > things that made a young 'uns life then so very much different to that of > > today Perhaps it is that our Listers - generally speaking - are not long > > enough in the tooth to have those memories to turn to and so cannot, of > > course, make any contribution. > > Anyhow, John, I bet your mother said she 'were gooin t'drine 'ersen in > th'wome > > 'oles' > > with a beaming smile on her face !...and you kids took not the slightest > > notice of her threat !!! > > What days they were....potbonks and smook everyweer.....doors not locked > and a > > local Bobby who new EVERYONE on his patch AND you soon felt his hand on > your > > shoulder if you put a foot wrong.........so you did'nt !! > > > > Regards, > > Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: J. Roberts <tegfan@bigfoot.com> > > To: <STAFFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:01 PM > > Subject: [STS] Re: The Warm Holes ? > > > > > > > Don't know whether you had a reply to your query re "The Warm Holes". > They > > > were certainly on the canal and were located at any place discharging > warm > > > water into the Canal. > > > > > > I can recall my mother saying, when we kids had been particularly > > > irritating, "Ar'm off up th'warm oles fer drine mysen", and she came > from > > > Stoke. > > > > > > > > > John Roberts > > > In the Staffordshire Potteries Where The Mugs Come From. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Arthur Wood" <lakhri@btinternet.com> > > > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:01 PM > > > Subject: The Warm Holes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message has been sent without an attachment. > > > > > > > > Was speaking to an old Tunstall ex-potter the other day whose > > > reminiscences > > > > included a bit abt when he were a lad it were the thing ter goo an' > 'av a > > > swim > > > > in t'warmhoels dine bar Shelton Baar wee're th'waiter cum in ow nice > an' > > > > warmed up. Anybody add a bit to this....would it have been in the > > > canal > > > > and not far from Tunstall bridge ? > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > >

My aunt who is 80 and comes from DaleHall and Longport says that the warm holes were in fact known as Marl holes and a swim in the warm water made you brown all over. Her father fell in one on his way home from Shelton Bar in ww1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Wood" <lakhri@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [STS] Re: The Warm Holes ? > > This message has been sent without an attachment. > > Hi John, > > Yes....they ( t'wome 'oles) were along that length of the canal backing > Shelton Bar. > ...and , yes, Tunstall Bridge was on that selfsame length....and it WAS a > very popular swimming place for the lads. Really, was trying to kick-start > some nostalgia sessions abt the old days of Potteries life...the everyday > things that made a young 'uns life then so very much different to that of > today Perhaps it is that our Listers - generally speaking - are not long > enough in the tooth to have those memories to turn to and so cannot, of > course, make any contribution. > Anyhow, John, I bet your mother said she 'were gooin t'drine 'ersen in th'wome > 'oles' > with a beaming smile on her face !...and you kids took not the slightest > notice of her threat !!! > What days they were....potbonks and smook everyweer.....doors not locked and a > local Bobby who new EVERYONE on his patch AND you soon felt his hand on your > shoulder if you put a foot wrong.........so you did'nt !! > > Regards, > Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Roberts <tegfan@bigfoot.com> > To: <STAFFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:01 PM > Subject: [STS] Re: The Warm Holes ? > > > > Don't know whether you had a reply to your query re "The Warm Holes". They > > were certainly on the canal and were located at any place discharging warm > > water into the Canal. > > > > I can recall my mother saying, when we kids had been particularly > > irritating, "Ar'm off up th'warm oles fer drine mysen", and she came from > > Stoke. > > > > > > John Roberts > > In the Staffordshire Potteries Where The Mugs Come From. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arthur Wood" <lakhri@btinternet.com> > > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:01 PM > > Subject: The Warm Holes ? > > > > > > > > > > This message has been sent without an attachment. > > > > > > Was speaking to an old Tunstall ex-potter the other day whose > > reminiscences > > > included a bit abt when he were a lad it were the thing ter goo an' 'av a > > swim > > > in t'warmhoels dine bar Shelton Baar wee're th'waiter cum in ow nice an' > > > warmed up. Anybody add a bit to this....would it have been in the > > canal > > > and not far from Tunstall bridge ? > > > Regards, > > > Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ >

WOW!! - that's so good of you to send me so much info. What a dish to savour tonight as I go through it. I am particularly interested in the connection between HOWELL and iron and Spring Rd, Chesterton. You see, there is a house in Spring Rd with a listed blast furnace chimney in the garden ie iron working. And about 15 yrs ago it was for sale and I nearly bought it!! I will now digest what you have sent me - I am sure it will pose more questions as well as some answers! Many thanks Janet Howell ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø, A chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg. ¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º www.risinsun.co.uk www.orientaltabby.freeuk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Hargrave" <sue.hargrave1@btopenworld.com> To: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: Howells in Wolstanton > > * This mail was sent without attachments* > > > hi Janet > > Wolstanton returned 62 matches as follows > > Dwelling: John St > Census Place: (Wolstanton) Chesterton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341648 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2705 Folio 108 > Page 46 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Henry HOWELL M 70 M Chesterton, Stafford, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Fireman > Annie HOWELL M 50 F Mold, Flint, Wales > Rel: Wife > > Dwelling: Spring Wood > Census Place: (Wolstanton) Chesterton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341648 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2705 Folio 80 Page > 32 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Thomas HOWELL M 57 M Stoke, Shropshire, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Blast Furnace Labourer > Ann HOWELL M 50 F Audley, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Alice HOWELL 12 F Chesterton, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Isaac HOWELL 5 M Chesterton, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Eveline Ann STIRIK 2 F Crewe, Cheshire, England > Rel: Grand Daur > Dwelling: Market Street No 21 > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2707 Folio 84 Page > 61 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Benjamin HOWELL M 55 M Westbromwich, Stafford, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Iron Rooler Unemployed > Caroline HOWELL M 56 F Beeston, Cheshire, England > Rel: Wife > Samuel HOWELL U 24 M Dudleyport, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Iron Worker > Elizabeth HOWELL U 11 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Alis HOWELL U 9 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Dwelling: Bond St > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341650 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2711 Folio 81 Page > 35 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Henry HOWELL M 55 M Iron Bridge, Stafford, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Potters Slipmaker > Betsy HOWELL M 51 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > William HOWELL U 26 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Potters Dishmaker > Henry HOWELL U 20 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Potters Turner > Edward HOWELL U 17 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Potters Dishmaker > Thomas HOWELL 14 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Dishmaker > Arthur HOWELL 9 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Charles S. HOWELL U 28 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Potters Slipmaker > Dwelling: Watlands View > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341648 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2704 Folio 17 Page > 27 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Edward HOWELL M 54 M Pontisford, Shropshire, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Coachman > Martha HOWELL M 54 F Hanley, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Occ: Wife > Edward HOWELL U 30 M Hanley, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Laborer > Elizabeth HOWELL 15 F Burslem, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Potter > Dwelling: 4 Market St. > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2710 Folio 10 Page > 14 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Elizabeth HOWELL W 51 F Oswestry, Shropshire, England > Rel: Head > Edward HOWELL U 26 M Trefonen, Wales > Rel: Son > Occ: Coal Miner > Richard H. HOWELL U 15 M Trefonen, Shropshire, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Colliery Labourer (Miner) > Eleanor HOWELL U 13 F Trefonen, Shropshire, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Thomas REYNOLDS U 24 M Trefonen, Shropshire, England > Rel: Lodger > Occ: Colliery Loader > Dwelling: 51 Williamson St > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2709 Folio 100 > Page 16 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Thos. HOWELL M 48 M Oswestry, Shropshire, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Stone Miner > Maria HOWELL M 39 F Wolverhampton > Rel: Wife > Joseph FLEMMING 4 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Adopted Son > Occ: Infant > Robert WILLIAMS U 24 M Denbigh, Wales > Rel: Lodger > Occ: Stone Miner > Thos. JONES U 20 M Oswestry, Shropshire, England > Dwelling: High Street No 23 > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2707 Folio 87 Page > 67 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Richard HOWELL M 29 M Audley, Stafford, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Coachman & Groom (Dom) > Sarah HOWELL M 24 F Audley, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Mary Ann HOWELL U 7 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Charles Wm. HOWELL 6 M Woodstock, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Emma HOWELL 4 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Martha Eliza HOWELL U 2 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Sarah Jane HOWELL U 5 m F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Dwelling: Wedgwood St > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341648 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2704 Folio 57 Page > 12 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Robert HOWELL M 29 M Hanley, Stafford, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Potters Gilder > Charlotte HOWELL M 26 F Hanley, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > William Edward HOWELL 7 M Burslem, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Martha HOWELL 6 F Burslem, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Harry HOWELL 4 M Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Dwelling: 42 America St > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341650 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2711 Folio 5 Page > 6 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Thomas HOWELL M 29 M Oswestry, Shropshire, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Collier > Ellen HOWELL M 26 F Bilston, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Sarah Ellen HOWELL U 6 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Thos. HOWELL U 4 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Mary Ann HOWELL U 1 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Infant > Edward HOLMES U 25 M Cannock, Stafford, England > Rel: Lodger > Occ: Ironworker > Dwelling: 42 Liverpool Rd > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2707 Folio 8 Page > 10 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Simeon HOWELL M 27 M Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Railway Carter > Mary HOWELL M 30 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Occ: Railway Carter Wife > Simeon HOWELL U 11 m M Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Dwelling: 22 Sun Street > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341650 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2711 Folio 78 Page > 29 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Edward BURROWS M 56 M St Helens, Lancashire, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Coal Miner > Emma BURROWS M 46 F Cheadle, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Emma HOWELL M 24 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Burnisher > Henry BURROWS U 19 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Placer In Ovens (Potter) > Ellen BURROWS U 16 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Potter Sponger > Elizabeth HOWELL 5 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Scholar > Mary THORLEY W 64 F Cheadle, Stafford, England > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Has Been A Servant > Dwelling: 24 Marsh St Off America St > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341650 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2711 Folio 13 Page > 22 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Esau HOWELL M 23 M Shropshire, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Collier > Mary Ann HOWELL M 20 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Mary Ellen HOWELL U 1 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Thomas DIGNALL W 43 M Roscommon, Ireland > Rel: Father > Occ: Ironstone Miner > Dwelling: Albert St > Census Place: (Wolstanton) Knutton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341648 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2706 Folio 88 Page > 22 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Edwin DAVIS M 30 M Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales > Rel: Head > Occ: Coalminer > Sarah A. DAVIS M 21 F Market Drayton, Shropshire, England > Rel: Wife > Edwin H. DAVIS 2 M Silverdale, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Edith M. DAVIS 1 F Silverdale, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Thomas HEATH U 21 M Newland, Gloucester, England > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Coalminer > David HOWELL U 23 M Lydnan, Gloucester, England > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Coalminer > Dwelling: 2 Copley St > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341650 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2711 Folio 36 Page > 16 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > James HOWELL M 23 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Presser Potter > Elizabeth HOWELL M 22 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Sarah I. HOWELL 1 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Dau > Elizabeth HOWELL 5 m F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Dau > Dwelling: Primitive St Brindley Ford > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2709 Folio 70 Page > 22 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Hy. BIRCH M 60 M Longton, Stafford, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Engine Worker At Ironworks > Mary Ann BIRCH M 52 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Fanny BIRCH 15 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Dau > Lilly E. BIRCH 11 F Brindley Ford, Stafford, England > Rel: Dau > Occ: Scholar > Mary Ann HOWELL U 18 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Grand Dau > Mary Ann STUBBS 9 F Kidsgrove, Stafford, England > Rel: Grand Dau > Occ: Scholar > Wm. BLACKMAW U 30 M Tedworth, Wiltshire, England > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Labr At Ironworks > John CONNELLY U 49 M Ireland > Rel: Lodger > Occ: Iron Worker > Dwelling: 45 Victoria St > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2710 Folio 86 Page > 11 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > George TUNNICLIFF W 60 M Birmingham, Warwick, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Potters Fireman > Jane RUTTER W 51 F Wednesbury, Stafford, England > Rel: House Keeper > Occ: Housekeeper Dom. > Samuel HOWELL U 15 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Adopted > Occ: Moulder In Pot Works > Joseph HOWELL 14 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Adopted > Occ: Moulder In Pot Works > Dwelling: 22 Sun Street > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341650 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2711 Folio 78 Page > 29 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Edward BURROWS M 56 M St Helens, Lancashire, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Coal Miner > Emma BURROWS M 46 F Cheadle, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > Emma HOWELL M 24 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Burnisher > Henry BURROWS U 19 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Placer In Ovens (Potter) > Ellen BURROWS U 16 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Daur > Occ: Potter Sponger > Elizabeth HOWELL 5 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Scholar > Mary THORLEY W 64 F Cheadle, Stafford, England > Rel: Boarder > Occ: Has Been A Servant > > Hope these are of some help > > Best Wishes > Sue Hargrave > > Researching: > MEE, ORGILL, WILEMAN, GREAVES, DENT, BUXTON, MITCHELL,Derbyshire > UPTON. WESSON, BOOT, DOWLER, Leicestershire; > COLLINS, staffordshire, > DOWLER Glamorgan > > > Best Wishes > Sue > > Researching: > South Derbyshire > MEE, WOOD, WILEMAN, POYNTON; PRICE; HYDE, > Leicestershire > UPTON, MEE, WAINWRIGHT, WESSON > Staffordshire > COLLINS > >

Janet, I was glad to help with the information, it is always good to know someone is finding their ancestors, How I WISH mine could be found. Best wishes in your searching Rosemary, in Oxfordshire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <Janet@risinsun.co.uk> To: "Rosemary Harvey" <rosemary@harvo.fsnet.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Howell Surname > WOW! Thanks for that info. I am sure it ties in with my theories somehow. > I am trying very hard to avoid "making things fit". I must be scientific. > > Thanks for your efforts again > > Janet Howell > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø, > A chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg. > ¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º > > www.risinsun.co.uk > www.orientaltabby.freeuk.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rosemary Harvey" <rosemary@harvo.fsnet.co.uk> > To: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:09 PM > Subject: Howell Surname > > > > Hello again Janet, > > I have searched the 1881cd's again. RG11/2711 f 81 p35 gives Bond St > > Wolstanton, Stafford. as address on them. You cannot search the cd's on > > "Tunstall." Here is what I found for Wolstanton, for the manes Thomas, > > William and John Howell > > RG11/2711 f 5. p 6 > > 42 America Rd. Wolstanton Staffs. > > Thomas Howell Head age 29 b Oswestry > > Ellen " Wife " 26 b Bilston > > Sarah Ellen " dau " 6 b Tunstall > > Thos. " son " 4 b " > > Mary Ann " dau " 1 b " > > Edward Holmes Lodger age 25. > > > > RG11/2705 f 100 p 29. > > No Street Address, just Wolstanton, Staffs. > > William Howell Head age 35 b St Chads, Shrops > > Elizabeth " wife " 40 b Westbury > > Edward " son " 12 b Stretton Heath > > Ann. E " dau " 6 b Stoney Stretton > > William R " son " 3 b Holley Hash > > Leicester J " son " 1 b Chesterton > Staffs > > > > RG11/2710 f 101 p 42 > > 14 Lime Streeet, Wolstanton > > Lodging with family called FLEET > > William Howells, age 29 unm b Elesmere, Shropshire > > > > RG11/2705 f 80 p 32. > > Spring Wood, Wolstanton, (Chesterton) Staffs > > Thomas Howell head age 57 b Stoke Shropshire > > Ann " wife " 50 b Audley, Staffs > > Alice " dau " 12 b Chesterton > > Staffs > > Isaac " son " 5 b "" > > Eveline Ann Stirk, grand.dau " 2 b Crewe, Cheshire. > > > > RG11/2709 f 100 p 16 > > 51 Williamson Street, Wolstanton > > Thomas Howell head age 48 b Oswestry, Shrops > > Maria " wife " 39 b > Wolverhampton > > Joseph Flemming adopted son " 4 b Tunstall > > Robert Williams age 24 and Thos. Jones age 20 lodgers. > > > > I hope these are of help to you. I could not find a Thomas aged about 19 > in > > this area. > > > > Bye > > Rosemary > > > > > >

Thanks for that - its my gggrandfather. As yet I have not found a Howell at a Goldenhill address but I will keep it in mind. My family are strongly associated with Christchurch and Goldenhill is just a shortway further north. Janet Howell ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø, A chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg. ¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º www.risinsun.co.uk www.orientaltabby.freeuk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Burn" <g0rkn@foxearth2.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: Re: BRVI or 1881 census lookup request > Hi Janet. > Howell's from Bond St on the 1881 census are as follows. I also > have a connection with the Howell's, > do you have any that connect to a Blurton family from Goldenhill? > > > > Dwelling: Bond St > Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England > Source: FHL Film 1341650 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2711 Folio 81 Page > 35 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Henry HOWELL M 55 M Iron Bridge, Stafford, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Potters Slipmaker > Betsy HOWELL M 51 F Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Wife > William HOWELL U 26 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Potters Dishmaker > Henry HOWELL U 20 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Potters Turner > Edward HOWELL U 17 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Potters Dishmaker > Thomas HOWELL 14 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Dishmaker > Arthur HOWELL 9 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Charles S. HOWELL U 28 M Tunstall, Stafford, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Potters Slipmaker > > Regards Harry > > g0rkn@foxearth2.freeserve.co.uk > > http://www.foxearth2.freeserve.co.uk > > >

Hi Janet. Howell's from Bond St on the 1881 census are as follows. I also have a connection with the Howell's, do you have any that connect to a Blurton family from Goldenhill? Dwelling: Bond St Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England Source: FHL Film 1341650 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2711 Folio 81 Page 35 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Henry HOWELL M 55 M Iron Bridge, Stafford, England Rel: Head Occ: Potters Slipmaker Betsy HOWELL M 51 F Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Wife William HOWELL U 26 M Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Potters Dishmaker Henry HOWELL U 20 M Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Potters Turner Edward HOWELL U 17 M Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Potters Dishmaker Thomas HOWELL 14 M Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Dishmaker Arthur HOWELL 9 M Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Charles S. HOWELL U 28 M Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Potters Slipmaker Regards Harry g0rkn@foxearth2.freeserve.co.uk http://www.foxearth2.freeserve.co.uk

Hi there Many thanks for the lookup. I am puzzled though that you got no Howell families for Tunstall as I know for a fact that my gggrandfather Henry Howell was at Bond St, Tunstall in 1881 as I have the printout here - RG11/2711 folio 81 page 35. The civil parish is Wolstanton, town / urban / ecclesiatical district is Tunstall. The parliamentary district is Stoke-on-Trent. I am trying to show some family connection between him and some other info I have to find his siblings. Try listing those for Wolstanton - how many does that give? Many thanks for your efforts Janet Howell ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø, A chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg. ¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º www.risinsun.co.uk www.orientaltabby.freeuk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Hargrave" <sue.hargrave1@btopenworld.com> To: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:57 AM Subject: Re: BRVI or 1881 census lookup request > Hi Janet > > I have just checked the 1881 Census and there are no Howell families in > Tunstall. My search for Howell in Staffs brought up 1418 matches, do you > have any other likely areas they could be in? > > Best wishes > Sue.hargrave1@btopenworld.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Singleton" <Hywel@risinsun.co.uk> > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:19 AM > Subject: BRVI or 1881 census lookup request > > > Hi all > > Is there SKS out there willing to check any of these for me? > > Marriages .... > William Howell, forgeman, Chatterley, married to Hannah about 1848/9 > William Howell, forgeman, Tunstall, married Maria about 1851 to 1856 > John Howell, forgeman, Plex St, Tunstall, married Emma about 1860 > Angelina Howell married Sept 1/4 1848, SOT, husband unknown, father William? > > On the 1881 census > Thomas Howell, probably in Tunstall and aged about 19yrs > William Howell, probably in Tunstal and aged about 55 yrs > John Howell, probably in Tunstall and aged about 40 to 50 yrs > > Its another 3 weeks before I am allowed another visit to my FHC ( they have > a rule of one visit every 4 weeks) and if I can check the families above I > can get on and order the certificates. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Janet Howell > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø, > A chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg. > ¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º > > www.risinsun.co.uk > www.orientaltabby.freeuk.com > > >

Hi all Is there SKS out there willing to check any of these for me? Marriages .... William Howell, forgeman, Chatterley, married to Hannah about 1848/9 William Howell, forgeman, Tunstall, married Maria about 1851 to 1856 John Howell, forgeman, Plex St, Tunstall, married Emma about 1860 Angelina Howell married Sept 1/4 1848, SOT, husband unknown, father William? On the 1881 census Thomas Howell, probably in Tunstall and aged about 19yrs William Howell, probably in Tunstal and aged about 55 yrs John Howell, probably in Tunstall and aged about 40 to 50 yrs Its another 3 weeks before I am allowed another visit to my FHC ( they have a rule of one visit every 4 weeks) and if I can check the families above I can get on and order the certificates. Many thanks in advance. Janet Howell ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø, A chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg. ¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º www.risinsun.co.uk www.orientaltabby.freeuk.com

My grandma, who recently died aged 90, was famous in our family for her peculiar sayings. Some of them were so obscure that we don't know if they were old Potteries ones, or sayings she had made up her self. She lived in Heron Cross and Meir. Here are a few that I can remember. Anyone recognise any of them, or did she just have an odd imagination? On being offered one drink more than she thought was safe: I'll be standing on me hands and making faces with me feet. When sitting in a draughty room: Who's wearing my garter? To describe people who were becoming increasingly friendly: They'll be calling each other b****rs next. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19-04-2002

This message has been sent without an attachment. Hi John, Yes....they ( t'wome 'oles) were along that length of the canal backing Shelton Bar. ...and , yes, Tunstall Bridge was on that selfsame length....and it WAS a very popular swimming place for the lads. Really, was trying to kick-start some nostalgia sessions abt the old days of Potteries life...the everyday things that made a young 'uns life then so very much different to that of today Perhaps it is that our Listers - generally speaking - are not long enough in the tooth to have those memories to turn to and so cannot, of course, make any contribution. Anyhow, John, I bet your mother said she 'were gooin t'drine 'ersen in th'wome 'oles' with a beaming smile on her face !...and you kids took not the slightest notice of her threat !!! What days they were....potbonks and smook everyweer.....doors not locked and a local Bobby who new EVERYONE on his patch AND you soon felt his hand on your shoulder if you put a foot wrong.........so you did'nt !! Regards, Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Roberts <tegfan@bigfoot.com> To: <STAFFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: [STS] Re: The Warm Holes ? > Don't know whether you had a reply to your query re "The Warm Holes". They > were certainly on the canal and were located at any place discharging warm > water into the Canal. > > I can recall my mother saying, when we kids had been particularly > irritating, "Ar'm off up th'warm oles fer drine mysen", and she came from > Stoke. > > > John Roberts > In the Staffordshire Potteries Where The Mugs Come From. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Wood" <lakhri@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:01 PM > Subject: The Warm Holes ? > > > > > > This message has been sent without an attachment. > > > > Was speaking to an old Tunstall ex-potter the other day whose > reminiscences > > included a bit abt when he were a lad it were the thing ter goo an' 'av a > swim > > in t'warmhoels dine bar Shelton Baar wee're th'waiter cum in ow nice an' > > warmed up. Anybody add a bit to this....would it have been in the > canal > > and not far from Tunstall bridge ? > > Regards, > > Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. > > > > > > > > ______________________________

Don't know whether you had a reply to your query re "The Warm Holes". They were certainly on the canal and were located at any place discharging warm water into the Canal. I can recall my mother saying, when we kids had been particularly irritating, "Ar'm off up th'warm oles fer drine mysen", and she came from Stoke. John Roberts In the Staffordshire Potteries Where The Mugs Come From. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Wood" <lakhri@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: The Warm Holes ? > > This message has been sent without an attachment. > > Was speaking to an old Tunstall ex-potter the other day whose reminiscences > included a bit abt when he were a lad it were the thing ter goo an' 'av a swim > in t'warmhoels dine bar Shelton Baar wee're th'waiter cum in ow nice an' > warmed up. Anybody add a bit to this....would it have been in the canal > and not far from Tunstall bridge ? > Regards, > Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. > > >

In a message dated 03/05/2002 21:34:53 GMT Daylight Time, tegfan@bigfoot.com writes: HO107/1998 Adbaston, Forton, Gnosall, Norbury, the Offleys Dear John, In your email you said that the above, along with others, was not covered by the Staffs CD; Hello Penny, Sorry if I have confused you. It just means that the 1851 Index, as published by the BMSGH does not cover these areas. We requested that they be included but "head office" decided against it. You will find those Census Fiche/Film at the Stafford record Office. They may even have some indexing, but I cannot guarantee it. Good Luck with your search. John Roberts In the Staffordshire Potteries Where The Mugs Come From. John Roberts In the Staffordshire Potteries Where The Mugs Come From.

There are lots of requests on the list for 1851 Census Surnames. I would just like to bring to the attention of ALL list members that there is a CDRom which contains the Surname details and Folio Numbers from the following site and the cost is £15.75 incl. Uk Postage and £16 for Overseas. See http://www.bmsgh.org/bookshop/staffs/st_cnty.html This CD contains the following Census districts:- HO107/1999 - 2033 inclusive. The adjacent areas which are on the borders and not covered are HO107/1987 Blymhill, Pateshull, Weston Under Lizard HO107/1996 Ashley, Muccleston, Tyrley HO107/1998 Adbaston, Forton, Gnosall, Norbury, the Offleys HO107/2036 Kingswinford HO107/2037 Birmingham HO107/2039 Upper Arley HO107/2047 Clent HO107/2050 Harbourne HO107/2146 Alstonefield, Blore, Calton, Calwich, Ellastone, Ilam, Mayfield HO107/2167 Okeover, Waterfall, Musden Grange, Biddulph, Knypersley, Mow Cop With this CD you can look for your own ancestors, without having to trouble anyone else more than is necessary. Hope you find this useful. John Roberts In the Staffordshire Potteries Where The Mugs Come From.

This message has been sent without an attachment. Hi Neil, Have my LUNTs from Swynnerton and vicinity mid 1700s on.......a poss. connection ? . Regards, Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. ----- Original Message ----- From: neil_h <neil_h@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: New Interests > I am researching the following names - > > COXON : Stoke On Trent (Early - Mid 1800's) > DERBYSHIRE : Trentham area (Mid 1800's) > HANCOCK : Mow Cop, Ball Green, Brindley Ford, Packmoor (Late 1800's) > HUBBERT/HUBBARD : Eccleshall, Chapel Chorlton (1700's & 1800's) > HOLLINSHEAD : Leek (Early 1800's) > LUNT : Eccleshall area (Early 1800's) > MOLLART : Mow Cop, Packmoor (Late 1800's) > MOSS : Stoke On Trent (Mid 1800's) > MOUNTFORD : Leek (Early 1800's) > PEAKE : Stoke On Trent (Mid 1800's) > > I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. > > Many Thanks > > Neil > > ______________________________

Please could someone advise me if there is an index to the 1891 census for Hanley. My Grandparents Patrick and Margaret BURNS/BYRNE/BURN lived in 1884 at Hanover St. Hanley with some children, one Jane b. 1884. I wondered if they were still there in 1891, as they did go live in Oldham sometime before 1900. I am trying to establish which children were born in the Potteries. Thanks in advance Rosemary, Oxfordshire.

I am researching the following names - COXON : Stoke On Trent (Early - Mid 1800's) DERBYSHIRE : Trentham area (Mid 1800's) HANCOCK : Mow Cop, Ball Green, Brindley Ford, Packmoor (Late 1800's) HUBBERT/HUBBARD : Eccleshall, Chapel Chorlton (1700's & 1800's) HOLLINSHEAD : Leek (Early 1800's) LUNT : Eccleshall area (Early 1800's) MOLLART : Mow Cop, Packmoor (Late 1800's) MOSS : Stoke On Trent (Mid 1800's) MOUNTFORD : Leek (Early 1800's) PEAKE : Stoke On Trent (Mid 1800's) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Many Thanks Neil

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This message has been sent without an attachment. Was speaking to an old Tunstall ex-potter the other day whose reminiscences included a bit abt when he were a lad it were the thing ter goo an' 'av a swim in t'warmhoels dine bar Shelton Baar wee're th'waiter cum in ow nice an' warmed up. Anybody add a bit to this....would it have been in the canal and not far from Tunstall bridge ? Regards, Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands.