Friends Many of you will have known Iain. Sadly , I pass on news received today, through the Listowners List. Letters/Mail of condolence may be sent to the address given or if posted to the list, will be passed onto Iain's Family. ---------- Many list admins will have known, or known of, Iain Kerr, who very sadly died last week from cancer after a short illness. For those who did not know him, he contributed on many lists, notably the military ones, being listowner of the WORLDWAR2 list, as well as various regional ones, and the GOONS & SoG lists, (and until a year ago, GENBRIT). Although he wasn't subscribed to my Oxfordshire list, if I had a military question I knew I was always welcome to forward it to him - it would be promptly & fully answered. Various lists have had notes forwarded on to them, circulating pieces of information. I have clarified the family's wishes with Iain's daughter Kirstie. Please feel free to circulate this to your lists if you feel it is appropriate. (Please note she would like to collect all notes of condolence, and give personal thanks for them. May I ask list admins to forward any they have received - after the funeral). His funeral: His funeral service will be on Friday 14th June at Our Lady of Sorrows Church (RC) in Eton, Berkshire at 11 am. Kirstie has confirmed this is not to be a family-only event. Tributes & messages of condolence: These may be sent to Iain's wife & family, either by email, to Iain's address iainkerr@clara.net , or by post. Iain's family's address is listed, as he was a member of the Guild of One-Name Studies, at http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/search.pl?find=2404 Kirstie says: " I have been collating the messages of condolence which I will be keeping as a tribute to my Father to pass on the next generation of Kerrs and I do want to reply to them myself so many people have been so kind and there messages have helped my family during this difficult time. I am hoping to have a Obituary ready this weekend which I was going to post on several list and on my Father's web site so other's can share what I have known all my life, that my Father was a rare individual." [His webpage is at http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/index.htm ] Donations in his memory: Kirstie said "We have requested that it be only family flowers but donations to the : Thames Valley Hospice, Hatch Lane Windsor SL4 3RW would be welcomed as they looked after my Father so marvellously during his last weeks. We can not praise or thank them enough for the care they gave him during his final days." I have contacted the hospice about donations. They are *very* grateful for all donations. Donations may be made by cheque, or by credit card. They will accept both sterling cheques and ones in foreign currencies. They have assured me their bank does not make any charges for handling foreign currency cheques. Anyone wishing to make a donation by credit card may telephone them on: 01753 842121, or fax details on 01753 832886. From abroad replace the leading "0" by "44". Email contact to ruthr@tvh.org.uk . Please mention Iain when making a donation. The genealogical community has lost a great man, friend to many, generous with his time & ever keen to help, inform & guide others. -- Helen -------- Helen Verrall Temporary List Administrator STAFFORDSHIRE ENG-STS- POTTERIES DESERTED - VILLAGES PUBS - INNS

Hello Listers Apologies for not adding Annice GATER's age. She was born in about 1878 therefore she would have been about three years old She was 20 on the marriage certificate. Bye for now -- Paula

Hello Listers, Having just received a copy of my great-grandmother Annice GATER's first marriage certificate. (She married twice) I now have her father's name i.e. Charles GATER Would some very kind soul please look up Charles and Annice on the 1881 census. The address on the marriage certificate is 50 or 52 Hot Lane, Burslem STS. However, the wedding was in 1898. It is possible that Annice could be written as Alice or Agnes GATER. Any info would be appreciated. TIA -- Paula

Hi all Just discovered my ggrandmother is Mary BELLFIELD She was born circa 1848/9 and married William Thompson Bourne circa 1869 She was living at 16 Prime St Hanley (Northwood) in 1888 Does this link with anyone else's research? Janet Howell ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø, A chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg. ¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º www.risinsun.co.uk www.orientaltabby.freeuk.com

Friends In the next two weeks Rootsweb is changing over to new servers and there could be delays for some services and others may not be available at all until changeover complete. Mail Lists will not be greatly affected - but there will be about 24 hours when mail is not distributed, this will be list by list, depending on the server used. They are not able to tell us when exactly this will be- So please if you do not receive any mail, do not deluge the list or me with queries as to why not! There will possibly be a few other hitches while the new servers take over - Rootsweb states - "Thank you for your patience and understanding while we go through a few "growing pains." I am sure you will join me in wishing them well! Helen Helen Verrall Temporary List Administrator STAFFORDSHIRE ENG-STS- POTTERIES DESERTED - VILLAGES PUBS - INNS --

Hi Earl The entry reads: DEGG - On Oct. 14th, at L.R.H., Rose, beloved wife of Arthur Degg, of 15, Hassall-street, Hanley, aged 53. Service at Wellington Church, Monday next, at 2 p.m. Internment Hanley Cemetery, at 3 o'clock. Will relatives and friends kindly accept this as the only intimation? Peace, perfect peace. Hope this helps. Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: EarlJDavis@aol.com To: james.mcknight@ntlworld.com ; ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Sentinel Extracts - Degg Michelle wrote: Hi All I have some extracts from the Sentinel. I am listing the names on the page. If anyone would like further details I am happy to transcribe them. 16 Oct 1931. Death Announcements Cartledge, Degg, Dean, Edgerton, Evetts, Henaghan, Horwel, Hughes, Leigh, Lees, Myatt, Ravenscroft, Rippon, Sigley, Watson, Webster, Wilding In Memoriam Mountford, Owens, Reynolds, Sherwin, Watson Regards Michelle Hants, UK Hi Michelle. I would be interested in the DEGG entry. It's very kind of you to offer. Regards Earl. Researching COCKERSOLE, CYPLES, DERRICOTT, DEGG, WHITEHURST

Hi All I have some extracts from the Sentinel. I am listing the names on the page. If anyone would like further details I am happy to transcribe them. 16 Oct 1931. Death Announcements Cartledge, Degg, Dean, Edgerton, Evetts, Henaghan, Horwel, Hughes, Leigh, Lees, Myatt, Ravenscroft, Rippon, Sigley, Watson, Webster, Wilding In Memoriam Mountford, Owens, Reynolds, Sherwin, Watson 22 Jul 1965 Death Announcements Dean, Eaves, Gruer, Holding, Issard, Johnson, Proctor, Sproston, Sutton, Swann In Memoriam Boardman, Bosworth, Burdon, Collingwood 25 Aug 1965 Death Announcements Artus, Atherton, Bath, Beard, Brough, Burton, Capper, Christie, Colcough, Davenport, Harrison, Harvey, Leigh, Lowe, Massey, Matthews, McGovern, Moore, Mountford, Poole, Price, Roberts, Smith, Thompson, Walker In Memoriam (one side chopped short) Bould, Cawley, Evans, Hargreaves, Humpreys, Lindsay, Nicholson, Nixon, Parkes, Poole, Powis, Rowley, Slack Regards Michelle Hants, UK

Michelle wrote: > Hi All > > I have some extracts from the Sentinel. I am listing the names on the page. > If anyone would like further details I am happy to transcribe them. > > 16 Oct 1931. > Death Announcements > Cartledge, Degg, Dean, Edgerton, Evetts, Henaghan, Horwel, Hughes, Leigh, > Lees, Myatt, Ravenscroft, Rippon, Sigley, Watson, Webster, Wilding > In Memoriam > Mountford, Owens, Reynolds, Sherwin, Watson > > > Regards > > Michelle > Hants, UK Hi Michelle. I would be interested in the DEGG entry. It's very kind of you to offer. Regards Earl. Researching COCKERSOLE, CYPLES, DERRICOTT, DEGG, WHITEHURST

Hi John, > Many Streets were re-named by Stoke on Trent City Council in January 1950. > From this I find that Leonard Road, Northwood was re-named to Birches Head > Road and the houses in that Road were all re-numbered. Thanks. That makes a fair degree of sense as it's the same general area that I've found the family in before (Waterloo Road, North Road, Hot Lane & Sneyd Green). Now <chuckle> all I have to do is find out what she was doing there! Thanks again, Keith -- Web Site: http://www.cix.co.uk/~kjackson Salt - Butterton Staffs, Swadlincote Derbys, Lloydminster & Pugwash Canada Wright - White Houses Moira Leics. Mycock - Bradnop Staffs. Scragg - Norton in the Moors Staffs & Swadlincote Derbys. Dannatt - Gt Carlton Lincs & Burton on Trent Staffs Jackson - Burslem Staffs & Langley Mill Derbys. Clifton - Eastwood Notts. Fithern - Staffordshire & Cheshire Varley - Ilkeston/Heanor area Derbys London - Nacton, Suffolk & Yarmouth, Norfolk Segger - Kersey (?) & Rushmere St Andrew, Suffolk Gaskin - Walmley Warks & Mixbury Oxfordshire Butlin - Walmley Warks & Coln Rogers Glos Peters - Ffrith & Llanfynnydd, Flint Davies - Bwlch Gwyn Denbigh

Many Streets were re-named by Stoke on Trent City Council in January 1950. From this I find that Leonard Road, Northwood was re-named to Birches Head Road and the houses in that Road were all re-numbered. Hope this helps. John Roberts In the Staffordshire Potteries Where The Mugs Come From. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Jackson" <Keith.Jackson@nottingham.ac.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 7:56 PM Subject: ADELINE MARTHA JACKSON/JOSEPH HOLDCROFT Leonard Road, Northwood > I wonder if anyone with a knowledge of the streets in this area can help me pin > it down? Adeline is a half great aunt and is something of a mystery in my > family. I'm slowly working out her life but she's not making it easy! My Dad's > particularly fascinated by her as she was completely unknown to him until I > started to delve a bit deeper into our background. > > She was only child of my Great grandfather, William JACKSON, and his first wife, > Adeline BOULTON, and was born in September 1868. Unfortunately, her mother died > of child bed fever less than a fortnight after the birth. In 1881, William and > Adeline are living with William's parents on North Road, Burslem. William didn't > remarry for several years so Adeline was significantly older than his other > children. > > In the 1891 census, young Adeline is living with her father and step mother in > Langley Mill, Derbyshire, where William had moved for work in 1890 - he was a > saggar maker - but they had kept contact with the family back in the Burslem > area as William's mother is also listed, as a visitor. > > It may well be that Adeline returned to the Potteries to nurse her widowed > grandmother as she was missing from the family in 1901. I eventually found her > marrying Joseph HOLDCROFT, a coal miner, at Holy Trinity Church, Northwood, on > December 7th 1896 (which explains why my grandfather didn't know her as he > wasn't born until 1898). Joseph gave his address as 17 Leonard Road and > Adeline's said to be living at No. 2. I can find a Leonard Street in Burslem up > near Smallthorne but wouldn't have expected a couple living there to have > married in Northwood, particularly after banns had been called. Was Leonard Road > one of those renamed at the turn of the 20th century? > > Any suggestions gratefully received. > > And, of course, if there are any descendants of this couple who'd like to make > contact that would ice the cake! :-) > > Keith > -- > Web Site: http://www.cix.co.uk/~kjackson > > Salt - Butterton Staffs, Swadlincote Derbys, > Lloydminster & Pugwash Canada > Wright - White Houses Moira Leics. > Mycock - Bradnop Staffs. > Scragg - Norton in the Moors Staffs & > Swadlincote Derbys. > Dannatt - Gt Carlton Lincs & Burton on Trent Staffs > > Jackson - Burslem Staffs & Langley Mill Derbys. > Clifton - Eastwood Notts. > Fithern - Staffordshire & Cheshire > Varley - Ilkeston/Heanor area Derbys > London - Nacton, Suffolk & Yarmouth, Norfolk > Segger - Kersey (?) & Rushmere St Andrew, Suffolk > Gaskin - Walmley Warks & Mixbury Oxfordshire > Butlin - Walmley Warks & Coln Rogers Glos > Peters - Ffrith & Llanfynnydd, Flint > Davies - Bwlch Gwyn Denbigh > >

I wonder if anyone with a knowledge of the streets in this area can help me pin it down? Adeline is a half great aunt and is something of a mystery in my family. I'm slowly working out her life but she's not making it easy! My Dad's particularly fascinated by her as she was completely unknown to him until I started to delve a bit deeper into our background. She was only child of my Great grandfather, William JACKSON, and his first wife, Adeline BOULTON, and was born in September 1868. Unfortunately, her mother died of child bed fever less than a fortnight after the birth. In 1881, William and Adeline are living with William's parents on North Road, Burslem. William didn't remarry for several years so Adeline was significantly older than his other children. In the 1891 census, young Adeline is living with her father and step mother in Langley Mill, Derbyshire, where William had moved for work in 1890 - he was a saggar maker - but they had kept contact with the family back in the Burslem area as William's mother is also listed, as a visitor. It may well be that Adeline returned to the Potteries to nurse her widowed grandmother as she was missing from the family in 1901. I eventually found her marrying Joseph HOLDCROFT, a coal miner, at Holy Trinity Church, Northwood, on December 7th 1896 (which explains why my grandfather didn't know her as he wasn't born until 1898). Joseph gave his address as 17 Leonard Road and Adeline's said to be living at No. 2. I can find a Leonard Street in Burslem up near Smallthorne but wouldn't have expected a couple living there to have married in Northwood, particularly after banns had been called. Was Leonard Road one of those renamed at the turn of the 20th century? Any suggestions gratefully received. And, of course, if there are any descendants of this couple who'd like to make contact that would ice the cake! :-) Keith -- Web Site: http://www.cix.co.uk/~kjackson Salt - Butterton Staffs, Swadlincote Derbys, Lloydminster & Pugwash Canada Wright - White Houses Moira Leics. Mycock - Bradnop Staffs. Scragg - Norton in the Moors Staffs & Swadlincote Derbys. Dannatt - Gt Carlton Lincs & Burton on Trent Staffs Jackson - Burslem Staffs & Langley Mill Derbys. Clifton - Eastwood Notts. Fithern - Staffordshire & Cheshire Varley - Ilkeston/Heanor area Derbys London - Nacton, Suffolk & Yarmouth, Norfolk Segger - Kersey (?) & Rushmere St Andrew, Suffolk Gaskin - Walmley Warks & Mixbury Oxfordshire Butlin - Walmley Warks & Coln Rogers Glos Peters - Ffrith & Llanfynnydd, Flint Davies - Bwlch Gwyn Denbigh

Please reply Direct- Helen Helen Verrall Temporary List Administrator STAFFORDSHIRE ENG-STS- POTTERIES DESERTED - VILLAGES PUBS - INNS -----Original Message----- From: Peter Goff [mailto:peter.goff@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2002 7:09 a.m. To: Potteries Subject: {not a subscriber} Peel Street, Wolstanton Hello My Great Grandfather was John Charles Banks who in 1901 lived at 1 Peel Street, Longbridge Hayes, in St Margaret's Parish, Wolstanton. According to the 1901 census he was a "beerseller pub" working for himself at home. I assume therefore that 1 Peel Street was a Public House. Is there any lister local to the area who can tell me if the building still exists as I would like to visit the area but don't want a wasted journey. Peter Goff Kingsclere, Hampshire, UK www.kingsclere.org.uk www.langdon-goff.org.uk All outgoing emails are scanned for viruses

Please could S.K.S. tell me if there is a Surname or Street index to the 1891 census for Hanley, Stoke on Trent. My Grandma Jane BURNS/BYRNE was born at Hanover Street , Hanley in 1884, I am trying to establish if her and her family were still in Hanley in 1891. Her Mother was Margaret (nee Dixon), Father Patrick, there should be other siblings, names unknown as yet. I am trying to find this information for an 81 year old Aunt who knows little of her Aunts and Uncles. Many thanks in advance Rosemary.

-----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey [mailto:lists@sog.org.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2002 10:42 p.m. The Society of Genealogists has been running its annual Family History Fair in London for ten years. The fair has been held over the first weekend in May. As part of our out-reach programme we organised a fair in the autumn at the NEC in Birmingham two years ago and this year will be running a similar fair at Stoneleigh [near Coventry] on 28th and 29th September this year. Normally our helpers come from the London area, but now we are looking for members or non-members who are willing to help by stewarding or manning stands who live in, or who have easy access to the Midlands. Volunteers for Saturday or Sunday (or both!) will be much appreciated [Free Entry of course]. If you are interested or would like more details then please contact our events organiser Julia at events@sog.org.uk or telephone: 020 7553 3290 The Society of Genealogists 14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Road, London EC1M 7BA Geoffrey T. Stone, SoG Mailing List Administrator. lists@sog.org.uk http://www.sog.org.uk ==== LISTOWNERS-ENGWLS Mailing List ==== .

My father and his next two siblings were all christened at St Mary's, Tunstall, Staffordshire in 1908, 1911 and 1913. Beneath the date of baptism is the symbol "C" (or, perhaps, a letter "e" lying on its back), in all three cases. There are a few other scattered entries that also have this symbol but it is not usual. The symbol is in the same position that is used on some entries to denote private baptisms with the words "[Privately]" or "[Privately dd mmm yy, Received dd mmm yy]". The archivist at Stafford Record Office could offer no help. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? -- Ron S

Coming Soon, Special Weeks - ONE NAME STUDY - YORKSHIRE - LONDON. Messages (approx 40 words) for these areas being accepted NOW. Send to tree.tops@virgin.net Please do not forget to include a Postal Address/UK Telephone Number for the benefit of those television viewers not on e-mail. These messages will also be shown on the Tree Tops News Mailing List. NOTE: Postal Addresses/Telephone Numbers will be DELETED before being put on the Mailing List. A sample message and animated graphic of the screen can be seen on the Tree Tops Web Page. Please feel free to pass this info around. Regards, Carol (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WELL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections TREETOPS-NEWS-L-request@rootsweb.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I've been asked by Dominic Johnson, FFHS Director of Education, to publicise the FFHS Genealogy Award for Young People. I've confirmed that the entrant does not need to have family members who belong to Family History Societies. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Federation of Family History Societies is holding a competition for the Genealogy Award for Young People. There are two categories, one for those who are 14 or under on 31st July 2002 and one for those who are 15 to 18 on that date. Full details are at http://www.ffhs.org.uk/General/YoungPeople.htm Although the Federation covers Family History Societies world-wide, the decision has been made to restrict entrants to this, the first such competition, to residents of the United Kingdom. The venture is somewhat of a pilot scheme. Quoting from the web page: "Enter for the Genealogy Award for Young People by writing a story about some character or family history event that is of interest to you." ========================= That could keep them quiet while you do the spring cleaning! Helen Helen Verrall Temporary List Administrator STAFFORDSHIRE ENG-STS- POTTERIES DESERTED - VILLAGES PUBS - INNS

I am trying to find out more about Spring Wood iron works in Chesterton. I know that there is a listed remains of a foundry in the grounds of a cottage in Spring Wood rd and I have a relative Thomas HOWELL who gives Spring Wood as an address on 1881 census - he was a blast furnace labourer. On the 1851 census there is another brother James HOWELL at Old Furnace Bank, also an iron worker. Where was Old Furnace Bank (as I can't find it on current maps)? More upto date, I would like to find out more about the George and Dragon pub in Chesterton - now demolished I believe. It was a coaching in I believe. In the 1950's or 60's another relative George Howell was the landlord. Many thanks in anticipation. Janet Howell ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø, A chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg. ¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º www.risinsun.co.uk www.orientaltabby.freeuk.com

The Jug Inn was on Broad Street in Hanley in 1890. My g-great uncle (William Hadfield) died there at age 40 on 14 Nov 1890. Does anyone know if the Black Lion is in the same location?? Hanley Secondary School existed in 1905 - we have a book prize presented to Mary Elizabeth HADFIELD "for success in the London Univ. Matriculation Exam". "Lizzie" died before her family emigrated to Canada in 1913. Does anyone know the location of the school? The bookplate is signed by W.M. Wilson, Headmaster. Thank you. Elaine Hadfield Polglase

My thanks to those who responded to my request, particularly Linda. It has been a great help. Graeme Adelaide _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com