I wonder whether some SKS could do a look up for either 1851 or 1861 census for the above address. I have an Emma Hampson being born there in 1856, daughter of John and Mary Ann. Not sure whether she was the oldest or whether they were there in 1851 or 1861, but trying to trace this family. TIA - Marj, Perth, WA

Today at 1.00 p.m. the 1851 Birmingham/Aston 12th Film was scanned making 14,755 scans for this major part of Birmingham. These scanned films for Birmingham, Aston, Erdington and Sutton Coldfield etc are available in a 4CD pack. The quality of these scans are the finest I have made to date, overwidth film caused major problems but I think that problem has best been solved with a Searchable Street index for each Census. We have added 3 CDs 13,849 scans with Birmingham area locations from Worcestershire and Staffordshire - so Birmingham is very well covered. Regret never got to Solihull yet a place of personal interest. Licenced by the Public Record Office to Publish Scanned Census Data. Please visit our Birmingham Web Page at http://www.mycensuses.com/Birmingham.htm Bristol, Somerset, Wiltshire, Shropshire, Worcestershire, Staffordshire http://www.mycensuses.com Cornwall is close to completion and Dorset will start next week If you have a question - just ask ! Gordon W. Beavington, 560, Hemlock Road, Kelowna.B.C. Canada VIX5G4 Web Page: http://www.mycensuses.com Email: gordonb@mycensuses.com, Secure Address: https://secure3.silk.net/~gordonb/httpdocs/order.html

John Weston Born January 1853 at 30 The Abbey, Bucknall. Would " 30 " be the house number ? And does anyone know where " The Abbey " would be in Bucknall ? Dave, In Local terms "The Abbey" has always refered to the area now covered by the council estates at Abbey Hulton and took its name from the medieval Abbey at Carmountside (next to the school). In the 1850s this area was all farming area and a few houses along Leek Road. I would suggest that you contact Hanley Reference Library and ask them what is the best map they have of the Abbey Hulton Area around 1850 ( this predates the 1st OS map) If they have a copy you can get A3 sheets printed for 40p - If that aint value then I dont know what is ... If you are still local then I would look around the junction of Leek Road and Greasley Road. On the west side you will see Abbey Street leading down to Mill farm. These are about the oldest houses in that area . At that time "Th'Abbey" was in the Parish of "Bucknall cum Bagnall - so their records may also help.... Steve

Hello Dave Could this be something to do with Abbey Hulton, which adjoins Bucknall. I cannot find my street map so I am relying on old memory. My uncle was a piano tuner and I have a vague recollection of going to an Abbey Farm somewhere there with him one day. This would be around 1939 so I cannot guarantee that I am correct. Genealdoc

Hi list, recently got hold of a birth certificate for a John Weston Born January 1853 at 30 The Abbey, Bucknall. Would " 30 " be the house number ? And does anyone know where " The Abbey " would be in Bucknall ? I was brought up near to Bucknall and I've never heard of it. There is some reference to it on the 1851 census but the house numbers don't go up to 30, if indeed 30 is refering to the house number. John Westons father is named as John Weston and his mother is Sarah Weston fomerly Sheldon, anyone have any connections with Sheldons I wonder ?. I do not have the name index for the 1851 census asyet so I can't find Sarah Sheldon, of course she may have been married to John Weston at this time. Any help would be most welcome, thank you for takeing the time to read this, regards de Dave.

Hello Roger, re the list of names published, my wifes ancestors were Keelings from the potteries. Regards Stuart Minshull-Bailey >From: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-D Digest V03 #136 >Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:00:08 -0600 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Thank you Dawn for all that information. I am very grateful. Hello Ann, We don't know much about my husband's family except that his father was John born around 1911 I think. We think John's father may have been James. John was killed in the 2nd world war when my husband was a baby and his grandfather had also died previously. We need to get birth & marriage certificates to get started. Somehow these all got lost after my mother-in-law died. If you have a James, born late 19th century we would be glad to know. Mayer is not a common name where we live in Lancashire nor Plymouth where my husband grew up. Is it a mainly staffordshire name? Nice to have heard from you. Jeanne _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Another BADDELEY family for Kacky (Kacky please could you contact me off list, as I seem to have lost your email address ) 1851 census Union St. Longton rectory William BADDELEY / head / Mar/ 43 / Potter Presser / b. Hanley Elizabeth " / wife / mar / 42 / / b. Hanley Mary " / daur / / 15 / / b. " William " / son / / 13 / / b. Hanley Sarah " / daur / / 11 / / b. " Louisa " / " / / 9 / / b. " Orisa?? " / " / / 6 / / b. Hanley Eve " / " / / 7m / / b. Longton Cheers Dawn

Does anyone have the 1851 Census for South Staffordshire? I am interested in the JOBBURN families The references are 2020-495 Wolverhampton 2014-154-156-157-141 Lichfield 2023-679 Walsall 2027-029 West Brownish The details were kindly given by Pam White. Any further help would be great. Thank you in anticipation. Jane (also researching WITHNALL) .

Dear Jeanne, I notice your name is Mayer. My maiden name is Mayer and I come from Tunstall. However, Tunstall is at the other end of the Potteries from Longton. Approx 15 miles away. My father was Cain, his father Elijah, his father Cain who was killed the the 1881 Chatterley Whitfield mining explosion. If you think there is a connection please get in touch. Regards Ann Simcock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Mayer" <jemmayer@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: [Pots] Re: census > Hi Dawn, > I notice that you have the 1851 census for Devon and wondered if you could > find anything out about my gr-grandmother and her family. > > Mary Jane Salter c.1848 b. Down St. Mary, Devon. She had a brother, > Samuel but I think he was born after 1851. > > My husband and I are going to the LDS family history centre in Ashton-u-Lyne > in a couple of weeks. We will take a copy of your message and if there is > anything for Longton we will have a look at it for you. It depends if > someone has already ordered it. Chris, my husband tellls me that Longton is > next to Tunstall which is where some of his family were from, so we may need > to look at that area ourselves. > > Regards, > > Jeanne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi Dawn, I notice that you have the 1851 census for Devon and wondered if you could find anything out about my gr-grandmother and her family. Mary Jane Salter c.1848 b. Down St. Mary, Devon. She had a brother, Samuel but I think he was born after 1851. My husband and I are going to the LDS family history centre in Ashton-u-Lyne in a couple of weeks. We will take a copy of your message and if there is anything for Longton we will have a look at it for you. It depends if someone has already ordered it. Chris, my husband tellls me that Longton is next to Tunstall which is where some of his family were from, so we may need to look at that area ourselves. Regards, Jeanne _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

Hi Dorothy, Isn't it really annoying to get close to the top of a brick wall just to have the whole thing fall down. Try, try again. While reading through your COLCLOUGH saga, I couldn't help noticing your reference to the MANSELL family. I have a vague connection to MANSELL via Elizabeth Laura PITTS from Shrewsbury, Salop who married James MANSELL in the early 1900s. Don't suppose he connects with your family but you never know ..... Regards Glen Riley from cold cold Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: <Agnes965@aol.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 5 July 2003 18:30 Subject: [Pots] re: Help with COLCLOUGH / MANSELL > Hi Les & list, > > I had been delighted to find a name like COLCLOUGH in my tree, thinking how > unusual it sounded...until I looked in Stoke On Trent! > > Hundreds of them! worse then Smith! (Everyone's nightmare name)I have the > 1841 census on CDs and am working my way through, so far in Fenton, Longton and a > couple of other places I have found about 50 COLCLOUGH families, none of > which have my Eliza!!!! > > At the York family history fair Ibought a brilliant CD with Stoke on Trent > 1851 census on, not only with the images on but also a Surname index which takes > you straight to the pages you want. I finally got to the end of the > COLCLOUGHs and second from the end found Eliza aged 18 born in Longton (Should have > been father Joseph, but mum down as widow so fine) I jumped around the room > yippeeing. I thought I would just note down the last family before I finished, when > Oh no!! another Eliza aged 17 born Longton, mother married but father not > there! so back to square one. > I checked on my noted 50 COLCLOUGH families from 1841 and neither of these > Eliza families can be right as the fathers have different names. > > So, if anyone comes across a Joseph COLCLOUGH with a daughter Eliza (b. > abt.1835, Longton) in the Stoke On Trent area, I would be very grateful if you > could let me know. I have Eliza after her marriage to Joseph Mansell (1854) in > 1881,1891,1901, but know very little about her family except fathers name. > > Also if anyone has the indexes for 1861/1871 for Longton, if it is not too > much trouble I would love to know if Joseph (b.1833, Salop/Shropshire, shoe > maker) and Eliza MANSELL had any other children apart from Martin James MANSELL(My > gt gt Grandfather). They lived in Longton (in 1881/1891 it was Normacott rd) > > I am happy to do lookups in the above censuses,I also have > 1841/1891(yorkshire) 1851 warwickshire/devon/norfolk / durham 1841 and 1851/1861 east yorks and > york. > > Thank you in anticipation, > > Dawn (from muggy Leeds ;o)) ) > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi Jeanne, Here is your' family in Devon 1851: William SALTER / Head / Mar / 29 / M / Ag Lab / b. Down St Mary - Dev Maria " / wife / " / 24 / F / ---- / b. Zeal Monachorum-Dev John " / son / / 5 / M / Scholar / b. Down St Mary - Dev Mary Jane " / Daur / / 2 / F / ----- / b. " " Elizabeth " / Daur/ / 6m/ F / ----- / b. " " Mary CROCKER / lodg / / 70 / F / Pauper(Serge Weaver) / b. Zeal Monachorum - Dev Address: Chaffcombe, Crediton Census place: Down St Mary & Clannaborough Crediton, Devonshire PRO REF: HO / 107 / 1886 folio: 256 Page: 5 FHL film: 0221036 Thanks for the offer of help, if you need more lookups just ask. Cheers Dawn (sun trying to peep out, Leeds ;o) )

Hi Dawn, There is a place in Telford, Shropshire known as Trench. I hope this does not send you off on a wild goose chase though. Regards, Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Agnes965@aol.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: [Pots] French ????in Shropshire MANSELL > Hi, > > I was hoping someone might help enlighten me as to where French or French > lane is in Shropshire (This is how it was written on the census returns) > This is the family I am looking for (in 1841, French?? Shropshire) > > Joseph MANSELL / MANSALL b.1802/3 / shoemaker / b. French, Salop (age in 1841 > 38) > Mary MANSELL " b.1803/4 / b. " > " (age in 1841 37) > Joseph MANSELL " b.1833 / shoemaker / b. French , Salop > (age in 1841 8) > Hannah MANSELL " b.1835 / b. " > " (age in 1841 6) > John MANSELL " b.1836 / b. " > " (age in 1841 5) > Toby??? MANSELL " b.1837 / b. " > " (age in 1841 4) > Sarah MANSELL " b.1841??? b. " > " (might be there?) > > They also had another Daughter Mary, b.1843 French, Salop (so the family were > there until after 1843 when they moved to Longton Staffs. > > Any help would be really appreciated, thank you, > > Dawn (Leeds) > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi, I have a Lydia Keeling my 4GG mother born abt 1779, she married William Mellor on the 27 Feb 1797 at Newcastle under Lyme, they had 7 children, and she died in 1842, I don't have a place of birth so it could be anywhere in Stoke on Trent, if any of this rings any bells please get in touch, Regards Barbara. From: LRNLEWIS@aol.com Reply-To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pots] Posting Interests Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 04:50:24 EDT It is some time since I posted my interests on this list and so here goes!! LEWIS, HAND, KEELING, COLLIS Longton, Stoke on Trent BLAND,HALLAM,TOMLINSON,BUTLER, BROOKS, BATES, Duffield, Wirksworth,Derby/Belper NORTH,SMITH,BAKER,CHAPMAN,LITHERLAND, STEVENSON, COLEMAN Syston,Barksby, Quenibrough, Leicestershire. I will be pleased to hear from anyone who is also researching any of these families in the areas quoted Roger Lewis Hertfordshire ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hi Dawn, I cant find a French Lane in Shropshire but on http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newsearch.srf? there is a French Lane in Nantwich Cheshire. Hope this helps. Terry Brooks Manchester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <Agnes965@aol.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: [Pots] French ????in Shropshire MANSELL > Hi, > > I was hoping someone might help enlighten me as to where French or French > lane is in Shropshire (This is how it was written on the census returns) > This is the family I am looking for (in 1841, French?? Shropshire) > > Joseph MANSELL / MANSALL b.1802/3 / shoemaker / b. French, Salop (age in 1841 > 38) > Mary MANSELL " b.1803/4 / b. " > " (age in 1841 37) > Joseph MANSELL " b.1833 / shoemaker / b. French , Salop > (age in 1841 8) > Hannah MANSELL " b.1835 / b. " > " (age in 1841 6) > John MANSELL " b.1836 / b. " > " (age in 1841 5) > Toby??? MANSELL " b.1837 / b. " > " (age in 1841 4) > Sarah MANSELL " b.1841??? b. " > " (might be there?) > > They also had another Daughter Mary, b.1843 French, Salop (so the family were > there until after 1843 when they moved to Longton Staffs. > > Any help would be really appreciated, thank you, > > Dawn (Leeds) > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi Les, I too am researching Hall & Knapper in Staffs. My g g grandfather Samuel Knapper married Mary Ann Child on 30 July 1855 at St Peters, Stoke on Trent. Samuel's father was listed as Samuel Filders on the m c, and they then took Hall, or Knapper Hall as their surname, my g grandmother was Eliza Knapper Hall. Hope that these may ring a bell?? Keith in N Z (currently wet & miserable!)

Hi, I was hoping someone might help enlighten me as to where French or French lane is in Shropshire (This is how it was written on the census returns) This is the family I am looking for (in 1841, French?? Shropshire) Joseph MANSELL / MANSALL b.1802/3 / shoemaker / b. French, Salop (age in 1841 38) Mary MANSELL " b.1803/4 / b. " " (age in 1841 37) Joseph MANSELL " b.1833 / shoemaker / b. French , Salop (age in 1841 8) Hannah MANSELL " b.1835 / b. " " (age in 1841 6) John MANSELL " b.1836 / b. " " (age in 1841 5) Toby??? MANSELL " b.1837 / b. " " (age in 1841 4) Sarah MANSELL " b.1841??? b. " " (might be there?) They also had another Daughter Mary, b.1843 French, Salop (so the family were there until after 1843 when they moved to Longton Staffs. Any help would be really appreciated, thank you, Dawn (Leeds)

Hi Les & list, I had been delighted to find a name like COLCLOUGH in my tree, thinking how unusual it sounded...until I looked in Stoke On Trent! Hundreds of them! worse then Smith! (Everyone's nightmare name)I have the 1841 census on CDs and am working my way through, so far in Fenton, Longton and a couple of other places I have found about 50 COLCLOUGH families, none of which have my Eliza!!!! At the York family history fair Ibought a brilliant CD with Stoke on Trent 1851 census on, not only with the images on but also a Surname index which takes you straight to the pages you want. I finally got to the end of the COLCLOUGHs and second from the end found Eliza aged 18 born in Longton (Should have been father Joseph, but mum down as widow so fine) I jumped around the room yippeeing. I thought I would just note down the last family before I finished, when Oh no!! another Eliza aged 17 born Longton, mother married but father not there! so back to square one. I checked on my noted 50 COLCLOUGH families from 1841 and neither of these Eliza families can be right as the fathers have different names. So, if anyone comes across a Joseph COLCLOUGH with a daughter Eliza (b. abt.1835, Longton) in the Stoke On Trent area, I would be very grateful if you could let me know. I have Eliza after her marriage to Joseph Mansell (1854) in 1881,1891,1901, but know very little about her family except fathers name. Also if anyone has the indexes for 1861/1871 for Longton, if it is not too much trouble I would love to know if Joseph (b.1833, Salop/Shropshire, shoe maker) and Eliza MANSELL had any other children apart from Martin James MANSELL(My gt gt Grandfather). They lived in Longton (in 1881/1891 it was Normacott rd) I am happy to do lookups in the above censuses,I also have 1841/1891(yorkshire) 1851 warwickshire/devon/norfolk / durham 1841 and 1851/1861 east yorks and york. Thank you in anticipation, Dawn (from muggy Leeds ;o)) )

Hi Dawn A late response but do you know that there are dozens of Colcloughs on the 1891 Staffordshire census? I have looked at the Hanley, Brieryhurst (Kidsgrove), Halmer End and Wolstanton areas so far looking for my ancestors and have seen many Colcloughs. Regards Les Hall (from an overcast Huddersfield) Researching: Lancs: HALL; SCULLY; HANNIGAN Staffs: HALL; KNAPPER; PLANT Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: [Pots] New: COLCLOUGH / MANSALL / MANSELL - Stoke T. - Longton > Hi All, > > I am new to the list and posting my interests, particularly The above > surnames COLCLOUGH and MANSALL / MANSELL from the Longton area mainly in Stoke on > Trent. > > Joseph MANSALL married Eliza COLCLOUGH 1854 ((My gt gt gt > grandparents)(Longton)(both fathers called Joseph > > Son: Martin James MANSALL b. 1855 (Longton) (my Gt gt grandfather) M. Annie > Maria Wain Jones 1875 (Caverswall) > > Children: > Isabella b.1876 > Agnes Elizabeth Colclough b.1877 > > THEN. Martin moved to Glasgow as a journeyman potter....moved in with my gt > gt grandmother Jane McCOWAT...They had 5 illegitimate children including twins > (one of whom Eliza Colclough Mansall was my gt grandmother. > > he then flitted every 10 years backwards and forwards from wife to non legal > scottish wife, so that in each census he is in a different country!!! After he > was supposed to have died I found him in England back with the wife, living > with one legitimate daughter...and one scottish Illegitimate son!!!! > > If anyone can help or have connections with the above surnames, I would love > to know. I have the 1841 census for Staffordshire and am happy to do look-ups > to help. > > Cheers Dawn (From Sunny (Amazing!! Leeds ;o)) ) > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > >