Hi All - Just think about the following scenario at a marriage in a church and what happens after..... You go to church and the vicar weds you ..... 1 You then go and sign the register ....... But its really two registers - one for the church and one for the registrars.... 2 The registrars then enter into their INDEX all the marriages and where they took place ..... 3 Every Quarter these indexes are sent of - to Southport now but used to be St Caths house 4 They then generate a different set of indexes on a Year/Place/Quarter basis At each stage there is room for errors to creep in . When I have ordered marriage certs from Southport I look at which church it was at and then go up Hanley and check it against the entry in the parish records .....You'd be surprised how often there is a slight difference. This is one reason why some entries don’t appear on the GRO index - Steve Hi Steve, Many thanks indeed for this. There is another message here for everyone as well - local and national records do not always have the same data !!! (This marriage is not in the national records at the Family Record Centre in London). Best regards Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Many thanks Pam. I should have thought to look at the Staffs site - but having carefully checked the FRC records in London (twice !) I had assumed that the marriage was not registered. Best regards Tony PS your grocott hall email address is bouncing messages. -----Original Message----- From: Pam Cotton [mailto:pam@grocott-hall.co.uk] Sent: 20 September 2003 10:42 To: antony.j.bates@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: [Pots] BVRI Marriage - Lee / Leese Hi Tony The marriage you are looking for is registered and took place at St. Margaret's Church, Wolstanton Go to the following and you will find it, together with the instructions on how to get the certificate http://www.bmsgh.org/cgi/marrind.cgi?county=staffordshire#surname Good luck Pam Stoke on Trent I use Archive CD Books in my research. The Archive CD Books Project http://www.archivecdbooks.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Bates" <Antony.J.Bates@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:16 AM Subject: [Pots] BVRI Marriage - Lee / Leese Hi List, I wonder if anyone can help me find some more information about a marriage. On the BVRI I have found this marriage : LEE, Samuel Marriage Wife: Ann LEES Marriage Date: 15 Dec 1845 Recorded in: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Husband's Father: Samuel LEE Wife's Father: Ralph LEES Source: FHL Film Dates: 1783 - 1849 Unfortunately, there is no entry on the IGI, no church named and no marriage registered at the FRC. Any more information about this marriage or any advice as to how we can find some more detail would be much appreciated. Many thanks Tony Researching : BAILEY, BATE(S), BENNETT, BOURNE, BROOK(E)S, CHALLINOR, CLARK(E), DUNN, GATER, HANLEY, HILL, LEES(E), THORLEY, TURNER ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.519 / Virus Database: 317 - Release Date: 17/09/2003

Hi Steve, Many thanks indeed for this. There is another message here for everyone as well - local and national records do not always have the same data !!! (This marriage is not in the national records at the Family Record Centre in London). Best regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: Steve Stutcinskas [mailto:Steve@Stutcinskas.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 20 September 2003 11:17 To: STAFFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STS] Marriage Lookups Tony and Everyone ..... You need to book mark this web page http://www.bmsgh.org/staffsbmd/index.html It is growing all the time and you should check it for Staffordshire BMDs from 1837- 1950. It is simple to use and also gives information on what is currently transcribed. Also gives good general info about BMD certs etc. Inputting your details on the Marriage search comes up with the following Once on that page you should click on MARRIAGES On next page you have the "general info" stuff about marriages and What is covered On the RIGHT , below the certificate picture is Search the Marriage Indexes. Click on this Scroll down a few lines until you see :- Date ranges: Region: Etc etc Click 1845 Then put LEES in the Surname field Leave all other fields alone Now click DISPLAY SURNAMES You are presented with 4 items, of which one is :- LEES Ann, LEE Samuel, Wolstanton St Margaret , Newcastle-Under-Lyme, C30/3/453 So they did marry at St Margaret's in Wolstanton and the original certificate is at Newcastle under Lyme registrars office . If you want a copy of the certificate you can CLICK on the C30/3/453 and you will be presented with a partially filled out cert application form. The address to send to is also printed on there. >From the cert you will get info such as occupations of the bride and groom together with their fathers. You may get addresses but it may just indicate that they live in Wolstanton..... You will get the witnesses but these may be the verger or someone similar. .... But you don’t know till you get the cert .... And its £7 Excuse me if I have been too elaborate but as I was replying to all I decided to make it very simple so that others could follow the thinking and visit the site with a view to seeing what a successful search looks like . Steve Staffordshire BMD Transcriber Some things to note about transcribing for StaffordshireBMD 1 The work is entirely voluntary 2 Co-ordinators - These are people who manage the photostaters / Transcribers in their allotted area - usually specific to a particular Registrars office, and meet with the Registrars to find out what the rules will be when our people are working in the Registrars offices. He/she basically will be our contact with the Registrar. Wherever appropriate the Co-ordinator will appoint the people working for him OR if we have people already committed then he/she will manage them. He/she will receive photostated copies of the indexes and pass them on to the transcribers for input into the computer, along with floppy disks provided by me. 3 Photostaters - These are people who can spend time usually at dates and times agreed with the Registrars in the Registrars offices photostating the original index books. Time committed to this is entirely a matter for the photostater. 4 Transcribers - These are the people who will transfer the information on to computer either via a programme provided by us (and run from floppy disk) OR when the person is competent enough by using a spreadsheet of their choice - i.e. Excel, 123 etc using a format provided by us ... 5 Checkers - When the Floppy disks and photostats have been returned to me, the immediate errors are corrected and a print out done. The print out and the original index copy is then checked by the Checkers for errors (i.e. spelling / wrong numbers / missed out entries etc) The amount of time individuals commit to this project is entirely up to them. except for the photostaters the work would take place at their home or place of choice. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 ==== STAFFORDSHIRE Mailing List ==== The List for the Ancient County of Staffordshire

Tony and Everyone ..... You need to book mark this web page http://www.bmsgh.org/staffsbmd/index.html It is growing all the time and you should check it for Staffordshire BMDs from 1837- 1950. It is simple to use and also gives information on what is currently transcribed. Also gives good general info about BMD certs etc. Inputting your details on the Marriage search comes up with the following Once on that page you should click on MARRIAGES On next page you have the "general info" stuff about marriages and What is covered On the RIGHT , below the certificate picture is Search the Marriage Indexes. Click on this Scroll down a few lines until you see :- Date ranges: Region: Etc etc Click 1845 Then put LEES in the Surname field Leave all other fields alone Now click DISPLAY SURNAMES You are presented with 4 items, of which one is :- LEES Ann, LEE Samuel, Wolstanton St Margaret , Newcastle-Under-Lyme, C30/3/453 So they did marry at St Margaret's in Wolstanton and the original certificate is at Newcastle under Lyme registrars office . If you want a copy of the certificate you can CLICK on the C30/3/453 and you will be presented with a partially filled out cert application form. The address to send to is also printed on there. >From the cert you will get info such as occupations of the bride and groom together with their fathers. You may get addresses but it may just indicate that they live in Wolstanton..... You will get the witnesses but these may be the verger or someone similar. .... But you don’t know till you get the cert .... And its £7 Excuse me if I have been too elaborate but as I was replying to all I decided to make it very simple so that others could follow the thinking and visit the site with a view to seeing what a successful search looks like . Steve Staffordshire BMD Transcriber Some things to note about transcribing for StaffordshireBMD 1 The work is entirely voluntary 2 Co-ordinators - These are people who manage the photostaters / Transcribers in their allotted area - usually specific to a particular Registrars office, and meet with the Registrars to find out what the rules will be when our people are working in the Registrars offices. He/she basically will be our contact with the Registrar. Wherever appropriate the Co-ordinator will appoint the people working for him OR if we have people already committed then he/she will manage them. He/she will receive photostated copies of the indexes and pass them on to the transcribers for input into the computer, along with floppy disks provided by me. 3 Photostaters - These are people who can spend time usually at dates and times agreed with the Registrars in the Registrars offices photostating the original index books. Time committed to this is entirely a matter for the photostater. 4 Transcribers - These are the people who will transfer the information on to computer either via a programme provided by us (and run from floppy disk) OR when the person is competent enough by using a spreadsheet of their choice - i.e. Excel, 123 etc using a format provided by us ... 5 Checkers - When the Floppy disks and photostats have been returned to me, the immediate errors are corrected and a print out done. The print out and the original index copy is then checked by the Checkers for errors (i.e. spelling / wrong numbers / missed out entries etc) The amount of time individuals commit to this project is entirely up to them. except for the photostaters the work would take place at their home or place of choice. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Hi List, I wonder if anyone can help me find some more information about a marriage. On the BVRI I have found this marriage : LEE, Samuel Marriage Wife: Ann LEES Marriage Date: 15 Dec 1845 Recorded in: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Husband's Father: Samuel LEE Wife's Father: Ralph LEES Source: FHL Film Dates: 1783 - 1849 Unfortunately, there is no entry on the IGI, no church named and no marriage registered at the FRC. Any more information about this marriage or any advice as to how we can find some more detail would be much appreciated. Many thanks Tony Researching : BAILEY, BATE(S), BENNETT, BOURNE, BROOK(E)S, CHALLINOR, CLARK(E), DUNN, GATER, HANLEY, HILL, LEES(E), THORLEY, TURNER

Hello, This is the first time I have mailed to this list so will introduce myself. My main interest is in the name Duncalf/Duncuff and variants; my maiden name was Duncalf. There are two distinct families of Duncalfs in the potteries. One at Hanley via Etruria (Tinkers Clough in 1841) that came originally from Northwich, Cheshire via Preston, Lancashire. The other at Smallthorne that I believe may have come from Congleton, Cheshire, but that has to be proved. Some of this family migrated to Stoke on Trent and Burslem in the 19th century. I have spent the last 20 years collecting Duncalfs and variants and would welcome contacts from anyone with the name in their family. Someone on the Lincolnshire or Cheshire List (not sure which) kindly posted me a mail from Arthur Wood mentioning two Duncalf boys from Smallthorne School and I would be very grateful if Arthur could give me any information that he has on these. Anne Cole (Lincolnshire FHS Publications Manager) http://www.familyhistorybooks.co.uk - Lincolnshire FHS Publications online Proud to be part of the FreeCen Project http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One Name Study (GOONS #513) http://homepage.ntlworld.com/anne.cole

Anyone missing a Samuel HIGGINSON? married to Emma____ I have a newspaper article on his wife Emma which says that Samuel HIGGINSON was a well-know potter in Trenton (NJ) and that he was a schoolmate in England of my ancestor Enoch MELLOR. (Enoch was b. 1824 in Longton) The article is dated 1909 and states Emma had been in the US for 24 years. The article is quite long so if you think that this may be your relative email me and I'll send you the page i have .pdf. -Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon

Does anyone have access to any BMD records (pre 1850) for Barlaston or Blyth Marsh? Thanks Tim

The name - Its Mr Gryff Rhys Jones - Him wot presents the program . I know we didn't win but we tried hard - now we need to get the local powers to crack on after all this good advertising Us locals wont let it slip now Steve -----Original Message----- From: David N Weston [SMTP:davidnweston@btopenworld.com] Sent: 14 September 2003 21:49 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pots] Bethesda Chapel, Shelton Nearly forgot !, just popped a couple of votes on Steve. Who is that who answered ?, I know the voice. Thanks for all your help Steve, regards de Dave ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Andy - the Answer is No ! But Yes ? The Frontage of the Bethesda is in Albion Street . If you were to come out of the Bethesda, and turn left and then left again you are in Bethesda Street. As you enter Bethesda Street the Museum (best collection of Staffysher Pottery in the World) is on the right . Aout twenty yards along and on your left is thye Bethesda Burial ground and good views of the rear of the chapel . Just past the burial grounds, and before John Street , is Bethesda School . On the right of Bethesda Street is the City Archive and Library . Hope this helps Steve -----Original Message----- From: Andy Micklethwaite [SMTP:andy@ilocker.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 14 September 2003 20:11 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pots] Bethesda Chapel, Shelton At 12:02 13/09/03 +0100, you wrote: >If I have helped , would you pick up the phone and register a vote - its >only 30p and would mean the world to me, and it may help save a piece of >our history. Done! Is the chapel on Bethesda St? Ancestors (OLIVERS and STUBBS) lived at No. 29! BW Andy. ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

This message has been sent without an attachment. A School Inspector ?...... to a Board School he would have been an ominous personage indeed.......and such a visit would cerainly have been recorded in the School's Log Book.......would have taken weeks for the ripples to die down.......but nothing there, Kay, for 1876 - 1877. Regards, Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian" <osprey1@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:54 PM Subject: RE: [Pots] Smallthorne Boys Board School 1876 and 1877 > Lakhri, > > One of my ggg-uncles, Richard Eardley, was a school inspector, I would be > interested if he was mentioned, thanks for this opportunity, > > Fay >

Lakhri, One of my ggg-uncles, Richard Eardley, was a school inspector, I would be interested if he was mentioned, thanks for this opportunity, Fay

Steve Can you try some of your magic on Alsager Town please? Pauline --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

Nearly forgot !, just popped a couple of votes on Steve. Who is that who answered ?, I know the voice. Thanks for all your help Steve, regards de Dave

At 12:02 13/09/03 +0100, you wrote: >If I have helped , would you pick up the phone and register a vote - its >only 30p and would mean the world to me, and it may help save a piece of >our history. Done! Is the chapel on Bethesda St? Ancestors (OLIVERS and STUBBS) lived at No. 29! BW Andy.

Wow ! - I am amazed at the response - I could not reply to you all individually, though I have tried. I just cant keep up with emails. >From the bottom of my heart I thank everyone of you and hope that I can help you all again in the future. Your friend Steve "Whose a bit choked at the moment" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Helen - I didn't know if folk outside the UK could phone it - it was my guestimate that that number would work . I really do appreciate your trying Your friend Steve -----Original Message----- From: Helen Verrall [SMTP:hverrall@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 13 September 2003 23:19 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Pots] Bethesda Chapel, Shelton Steve From the Antipodes - a friend was able to lodge a vote on my behalf, by quoting my New Zealand Phone Number - worth trying for those of you, if like me, would have a rather large increase in the Telephone Account, if we did it ourselves. I would have phoned from NZ if they would not have accepted a proxy vote!! But not all of us can afford the extra. Using the +44 does not help, in NZ as soon as we dial 001 to access UK, charges start. :-( Keeping my fingers crossed - and with the occasional prayer!!! Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Steve Stutcinskas [mailto:steve@stutcinskas.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 11:02 PM To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pots] Bethesda Chapel, Shelton 0901 077 5006 Before 10pm Sunday (UK Time) Hello to the friends I have helped - - Over the last few years, some of you have asked how you could repay the help I occasionally give . Well you know I never take money and never normally ask for anything, but I am asking for something now . It's simple, and hopefully very rewarding to us both. If I have helped , would you pick up the phone and register a vote - its only 30p and would mean the world to me, and it may help save a piece of our history. Even if we don't come first, 17p out of the 30p goes to the restoration fund . Full details are at www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/restoration/ Some of you are outside the UK and the cost may be prohibitive, I don't know, but if you could try +44 901 077 5006 Some of you in the UK may be lucky enough to have a candidate in your own area - that must be wonderful --- but if you make two calls - one each its only 60p. Less than 10% of a birth certificate Anyway if you can help, please do. But if you cannot I will still give my help whenever I can. That ends the sermon for this morning - I'm going up the Vale now to sweet talk some other friends into lifting the phone Steve If I have broken any rules of the list - please excuse --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Pauline - it was a wonderful day yesterday - - So many responses, the Vale going one down in ten minutes and then winning 3-1 to go top . I am overwhelmed with the response to my cry for help - - I must have helped one or two along the way Thanks Steve -----Original Message----- From: Pauline Matthews [SMTP:polly_dalehall@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 13 September 2003 19:00 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pots] Bethesda Chapel, Shelton Can't fault you lad, wanting to help Bethesda and going up the Vale and they won Regards Pauline --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

This message has been sent without an attachment. No Knight or Meir....sorry, Ian. For anyone else & to save wasted efforts, here is as complete a listing that I can come up with....some are just names only....some have quirky schoolboy 'offences' and the like tagged to them...........:- Wm Hodgkiss. Thos and Walter Duncalf. George Randells. Mrs. Taylor. A,E.Kent. Chas. Frost. George Wood. Leonard Walker.. Joseph Howell. Mrs. Martin. H. Jones. Thos. Rhead. J. Cornwall. J. Dawson. Ed. Pinner. W. Dale. A. Perry. Thos. Wright. Leve. Boulton. Sam Swann. Simeon Martin. ............ Happy to check out any namesake that might provide a bit of 'background'. Regards, Lakhri in the Staffordshire Moorlands. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jan bennett" <biggun@tesco.net> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Pots] Smallthorne Boys Board School 1876 and 1877 > hi, > Do you have any mentions of meir or knight in your wonderful book? > By the way in case anyones interested the log books for Bethesda School are > in Hanley archives and are well worth a look,a true picture of schooling in > the mid 1800's > Jan > > ______________________________

Just thought I would post a few interests I don't post as often as some of my others: FROST - Longton (1800's), Doveridge (1700's) SPOONER - Stoke (c. 1800) Cheadle (1700's) KIDD - Normacot, Longton, Elkstones, Onecote MASSEY - Ellastone, Norbury ORPE - Ellastone, Norbury, Prestwood PEACH - Norbury - poss from Ellastone before that ALCOCK - Cheadle. Regards Earl.