Hi: could someone tell me if Marsh Street, Newcastle Under Lyme is still on the map and if so, is it still residential? One of my husband's ancestors, Richard Watkin, occupation - hatter lived on Marsh St. in 1818. We are tentatively planning a trip to England next June and want to see all places in Newcastle and Stoke where his family once lived/worked. After 1818, most of the Watkins were potters. Still looking for info re John Watkin b. 1846 in Newcastle, was in the 35th Regiment of Foot and at one time was stationed in Surrey. Cannot find his service records or any info abt. him after the 1881 census. Yvonne Watkin Yvonne Watkin

Hello All May I also re-post my interests Potts James Spencer, born 06/01/1935 Bews Buildings, Brown Edge, son of Norman and Esther Potts nee Savage Daniel Savage Bews Buildings in 1901 census I have no further info Dad died 8 years ago, his Dad Norman died at aged only 34 nobody left to ask questions of. Any help appreciated Thanks, Pauline- --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger

Anne Thanks for the reply, all my SALMON's born in Madeley Staffordshire. Henry ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Peat <Anne.Peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] BOULTON, BUCKLEY, GRIFFITHS interests > Henry, do you know where your SALMON family came from. > In my Peat family tree I have a Charlotte Rosina SALMON, born about 1819 in > Newent, Gloucester, daughter of John SALMON, hairdresser, and Sarah KIRK, > dressmaker. Other siblings were William, Harriott (f), Launcelot, Mary Ann > and Benjamin. John's father was called William SALMON. > Anne > > ---------- > >From: "Henry GRIFFITHS" <henry@sgriffiths33.freeserve.co.uk> > >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [Pots] BOULTON, BUCKLEY, GRIFFITHS interests > >Date: Sun, Sep 28, 2003, 9:24 > > > > > Hi Everybody > > > > It's been a long time since I posted my Surname interests so here goes again. > > > > BOULTON - Madeley area. 1830+ > > > > BUCKLEY - Madeley area. 1850+ > > > > GRIFFITHS - Audley, Cheesy, Madeley. 1800+ > > > > HENSHALL - Audley. 1820+ > > > > HORNBY - Weaverham (Cheshire). 1850+ > > > > SALMON - Madeley. 1840+ > > > > The GRIFFITHS surname is my main interest but I have small amount of > > information on the other names. > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Henry > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/03 > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/03

Andy has asked for an extraction of the 1851 census of 107 Well Street, Hanley, which I have sent directly to him. It is at 1851 census, HO107/p2004/f147. By coincidence, I had recently looked at Well Street myself. My own interest was 51 Well Street where Edward John SMITH, future Captain of the Titanic, was living with his family as a one year old in 1851. So it was easy for me to find 107. I am trying to track down the truth (or otherwise) of a family story that my gt grandmother Ann Eliza DISSINGTON (born Hanley 1849) was a cousin of Capt. SMITH. If any listers have information about the family of Captain SMITH (or any DISSINGTON/DEASINGTONs or other variants) I would appreciate hearing from them. ....... Jack Leigh ====================================== Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:48:48 +0100 From: Andy Micklethwaite <andy@ilocker.freeserve.co.uk> To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030927094848.00896ac0@pop.freeserve.net> Subject: [Pots] 1851 census PERRY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Could SKS with 1851 census please look up 107 Well St (Hanley, I think). Thomas STUBBS 32 is head with wife Ann + 3 kids. I'm looking for details of his mother in law Elizabeth PERRY BW Andy. ========================================================================= 5030 Meadfeild Road, West Vancouver, BC, Canada V7W 3G2 (604) 926-4422

Henry, do you know where your SALMON family came from. In my Peat family tree I have a Charlotte Rosina SALMON, born about 1819 in Newent, Gloucester, daughter of John SALMON, hairdresser, and Sarah KIRK, dressmaker. Other siblings were William, Harriott (f), Launcelot, Mary Ann and Benjamin. John's father was called William SALMON. Anne ---------- >From: "Henry GRIFFITHS" <henry@sgriffiths33.freeserve.co.uk> >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Pots] BOULTON, BUCKLEY, GRIFFITHS interests >Date: Sun, Sep 28, 2003, 9:24 > > Hi Everybody > > It's been a long time since I posted my Surname interests so here goes again. > > BOULTON - Madeley area. 1830+ > > BUCKLEY - Madeley area. 1850+ > > GRIFFITHS - Audley, Cheesy, Madeley. 1800+ > > HENSHALL - Audley. 1820+ > > HORNBY - Weaverham (Cheshire). 1850+ > > SALMON - Madeley. 1840+ > > The GRIFFITHS surname is my main interest but I have small amount of > information on the other names. > > Best Wishes > > Henry > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/03 > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi Jen, I have looked on Vital Records for children of Thomas & Elizabeth Cartwright for 1807 + or - 5 yrs I have copied the details for you. Perhaps you could order the films at your nearest family history centre and check to see if there are any more details on there. CARTWRIGHT, William Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 3 Jan 1808 Recorded in: Burslem, Staffordshire, England Collection: St John Father: Thomas CARTWRIGHT Mother: Elizabeth Source: FHL Film 1278910 Dates: 1713 - 1888 CARTWRIGHT, George Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 23 Oct 1807 Christening Date: 4 Aug 1811 Recorded in: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Father: Thomas CARTWRIGHT Mother: Elizabeth Source: FHL Film 1517617 Dates: 1691 - 1905 There was also Anne born 1809 & Jane born 1811 on the same film as George. Hope this helps. Good luck. Jeanne _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

At 01:29 28/09/03 +0100, you wrote: > The transcribers for the Staffordshire BMD have been working hard again and > the following index records have now been added to the database ....... Hi Bill, Many thanks to you and all the workers who do so much for our benefit. We do appreciate it, but we don't often say so! BW Andy.

Hi Everybody It's been a long time since I posted my Surname interests so here goes again. BOULTON - Madeley area. 1830+ BUCKLEY - Madeley area. 1850+ GRIFFITHS - Audley, Cheesy, Madeley. 1800+ HENSHALL - Audley. 1820+ HORNBY - Weaverham (Cheshire). 1850+ SALMON - Madeley. 1840+ The GRIFFITHS surname is my main interest but I have small amount of information on the other names. Best Wishes Henry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/03

Hi Listers The transcribers for the Staffordshire BMD have been working hard again and the following index records have now been added to the database ....... Births - Leek, (1890 to 1906) Staffordshire Moorlands Registration District.(entries 7,494) Marriages - Hartshill, Holy Trinity,(1876 to 1884) Stoke-on-Trent Registration District.(entries 250) (Note:- Register 2 only, Register 1 will be included later) Marriages - Cobridge, Christ Church (1870 to 1885) Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. (entries 1000) Good Hunting ..... regards Bill ======================================================= The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk (If you live in the North/Mid Staffs area or South Cheshire area and would like to help Photostating,Transcribing or Co-ordinating then please email me asap please!!)=======================================================

Good Evening Listers, New to this list and posing a query. My ggg-grandfather was WILLIAM CARTWRIGHT born in Burslem 1807. He married Charlotte Hood (who was born in Hartshorne, Derybshire) in 1831 in Burslem, they then lived/remained in Church Greasley, Derbyshire, I am assuming this is because her parents/family were there. I have IGI ref for William's birth/bapt with his parents being Thomas CARTWRIGHT and Elizabeth PANE. The descendency of William Cartwright is known, and can be confirmed through various sources I have. However, I have a problem with his ancestors. I was sent some information last year about this couple (Thomas and Elizabeth) and whilst the marriage of William and Charlotte is correct, there is a major problem. There is a 'brother' (George) of William's on a list of children for Thomas Cartwright and Elizabeth Pane who was 2 months younger than him. All these supposed siblings were born/baptised - all shown in one batch on the IGI parents named as Thomas and Elizabeth (no Pane mentioned) - in a different placeto William and I am desperately trying to establish what is actual fact. Does anybody know of this family? This is driving me round the twist! Thanking anyone who can confirm information for me. Jen

Could SKS with 1851 census please look up 107 Well St (Hanley, I think). Thomas STUBBS 32 is head with wife Ann + 3 kids. I'm looking for details of his mother in law Elizabeth PERRY BW Andy.

Hello, I'm trying to track down and elusive widow and I'm wondering if anyone has access to the 1851 surname index for Stoke upon Trent and would be willing to let me know the entry references for ASHLEY and CHADWICK. Thanks a million Joanne ------------------ Research Interests check out my trees http://www.oceanv.net/projects.htm ------------------ ADDIS - Worcester (Caroline Addis m. Edward Kennard m.1842 Worcester, her sister m. William Smith) ALDRIDGE - Gloucester (married Joseph Walkley) AUSTIN - Warwick, Leicester, Rutland (Florence Stride m. Albert Austin m.1918 Bham) BALL - Married Dawson - Castle Donnington, Leicester BARNETT - Nailsea, Bedminster CARTER - West Bromwich (Emily Carter m. Frederick KNIGHT m. 1893 West Brom) CHALLINGSWORTH - Kingswinford, Sts (Eliza Challingsworth m. Peter Firmstone m. 1831 Dudley) CHAPPELL - Birmingham, Warwick (Clara Chappel m. William REEVES m. 1879 Bham) CLARKE - Leicester (m. into RICHARDS m. 1873 Harborne) CORRY - Married Wagstaff (boatman) DAWSON - Wolverhampton, Sts, Castle D, Lei, Shardlow, Dby (mostly boatmen) DUNN - Kingswinford, Sts (Mariah Dunn m. Thomas Roberts m. 1849 Dudley) FIRMSTONE - Kingswinford, Sts (Susannah Firmstone m. Samuel Mallen m.1873 Dudley) HILL - Warwick (Kings Norton), Smethwick, West Bromwich - Walter Hill JACQUES - Rugby, War (Elizabeth m. John SHED m. 1893 Uxbridge - boatman) KENNARD - Birmingham & Worcester KNIGHT - West Bromwich/Wolverhampton (Frederick KNIGHT) MALLEN - Kingswinford, Sts or Worcester LOCKLEY - Wolverhampton, Sts (Sarah m. John DAWSON m 1855 Wolverhampton - boatman) PEMBERTON - Dumbarton, Scotland/Smethwick, Sts - Margaret m. William CARTER) QUEEN - Glasgow, Scotland (Mary m. Thomas PEMBERTON bef. 1837 somewhere....) RICHARDS - London, War, Sts - William RICHARDS (Hair Dresser) Son - William (Japanner) REEVES - Birmingham, Kings Norton (Polly Lily Reeves m. Thomas HILL m. 1904) ROBERTS - Quarry Bank/Kingswinford, Worcester or Stafford SAVAGE - Wolverhampton, Stafford (Caroline m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1855 Tipton) SHED - Paddington, London (Emily m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1916 Bham) SMITH - Pershore, Worcester to Birmingham (George Smith m. Caroline Kennard & William Smith m. Susannah Addis) SPONGE - Bingham, Nottingham (Mary m. William Shelton Hoby, Leicester) STEWART - Midlothian area, Scotland STRIDE - Warwick, Worcester - always interested in ALL STRIDE/STROYDs WARD - Warwick - Occupation Carpenter WITHERS - Newcastle on Tyne (Mary m. William RICHARDS, her father was Ephraim) I Administer the following lists on Rootsweb.com. Send an email with Subscribe in the subject line to Join: CHALLINGSWORTH-l-request@rootsweb.com GRASIER-l-request@rootsweb.com LOCKLEY-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com SHED-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com STRIDE-l-request@rootsweb.com

Hello Steve, Thanks for the location. I could kick myself because I wanted a photograph of the church, and without knowing it I drove past the church this morning. I assumed that the church was nearer to Hanford. Many thanks, anyway. Terry B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Stutcinskas" <Steve@Stutcinskas.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: RE: [Pots] Trent Vale Parish Church > Terry is is on the side of the A34 - south of Newcastle and north of > Hanford. > > Go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ > > And input Trent Vale as a UK Place and you will see the church location > in the centre square of the map, > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric HARRISON [mailto:ric.kidsgrove61@btinternet.com] > Sent: 23 September 2003 20:44 > To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Pots] Trent Vale Parish Church > > > Terry, > > Trent Vale, St John > > If you look at the coverage pages for marriages on the Staffs BMD site > you will find a full list of venues. > > http://www.bmsgh.org/staffsbmd/marrcov.html#ce > > Regards - Eric > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "terrybrooks" <terrybrooks@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:10 PM > Subject: [Pots] Trent Vale Parish Church > > > > Hello Listers, > > I have asked this question on the list previously but without > success. I wonder if anyone now on the list has the answer? > > My grandparents were married in TRENT VALE PARISH CHURCH in > > 1889. > Can anyone please tell me where this church is located and the Saint to > which it is dedicated? > > Heres hoping, with many thanks, > > Terry Brooks. > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Terry is is on the side of the A34 - south of Newcastle and north of Hanford. Go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ And input Trent Vale as a UK Place and you will see the church location in the centre square of the map, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Eric HARRISON [mailto:ric.kidsgrove61@btinternet.com] Sent: 23 September 2003 20:44 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pots] Trent Vale Parish Church Terry, Trent Vale, St John If you look at the coverage pages for marriages on the Staffs BMD site you will find a full list of venues. http://www.bmsgh.org/staffsbmd/marrcov.html#ce Regards - Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "terrybrooks" <terrybrooks@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: [Pots] Trent Vale Parish Church > Hello Listers, > I have asked this question on the list previously but without success. I wonder if anyone now on the list has the answer? > My grandparents were married in TRENT VALE PARISH CHURCH in > 1889. Can anyone please tell me where this church is located and the Saint to which it is dedicated? > Heres hoping, with many thanks, > Terry Brooks. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Hi Eric, Thanks very much for that. Terry B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric HARRISON" <ric.kidsgrove61@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Trent Vale Parish Church > Terry, > > Trent Vale, St John > > If you look at the coverage pages for marriages on the Staffs BMD site you > will find a full list of venues. > > http://www.bmsgh.org/staffsbmd/marrcov.html#ce > > Regards - Eric > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "terrybrooks" <terrybrooks@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:10 PM > Subject: [Pots] Trent Vale Parish Church > > > > Hello Listers, > > I have asked this question on the list previously but without > success. I wonder if anyone now on the list has the answer? > > My grandparents were married in TRENT VALE PARISH CHURCH in 1889. > Can anyone please tell me where this church is located and the Saint to > which it is dedicated? > > Heres hoping, with many thanks, > > Terry Brooks. > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Terry, Trent Vale, St John If you look at the coverage pages for marriages on the Staffs BMD site you will find a full list of venues. http://www.bmsgh.org/staffsbmd/marrcov.html#ce Regards - Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "terrybrooks" <terrybrooks@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: [Pots] Trent Vale Parish Church > Hello Listers, > I have asked this question on the list previously but without success. I wonder if anyone now on the list has the answer? > My grandparents were married in TRENT VALE PARISH CHURCH in 1889. Can anyone please tell me where this church is located and the Saint to which it is dedicated? > Heres hoping, with many thanks, > Terry Brooks. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hello Listers, I have asked this question on the list previously but without success. I wonder if anyone now on the list has the answer? My grandparents were married in TRENT VALE PARISH CHURCH in 1889. Can anyone please tell me where this church is located and the Saint to which it is dedicated? Heres hoping, with many thanks, Terry Brooks.

There's one more chance of error, Steve. 1a the Vicar or parish clerk ( who may not have been the person taking the wedding ) copies all the marriage entries for a quarter in longhand onto a sheet and sends to the registrar. I've done it, and I know how much concentration it takes - and how you have to guess at some names, especially witnesses! Anne ---------- >From: "Steve Stutcinskas" <Steve@stutcinskas.freeserve.co.uk> >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Pots] RE: [STS] Marriage Lookups >Date: Sat, Sep 20, 2003, 22:31 > > Hi All - Just think about the following scenario at a marriage in a > church and what happens after..... > > You go to church and the vicar weds you ..... > > 1 You then go and sign the register ....... But its really two > registers - one for the church and one for the registrars.... > > 2 The registrars then enter into their INDEX all the marriages and > where they took place ..... > > 3 Every Quarter these indexes are sent of - to Southport now but > used to be St Caths house > > 4 They then generate a different set of indexes on a > Year/Place/Quarter basis > > > At each stage there is room for errors to creep in . > When I have ordered marriage certs from Southport I look at which church > it was at and then go up Hanley and check it against the entry in the > parish records .....You'd be surprised how often there is a slight > difference. > > This is one reason why some entries don’t appear on the GRO index - > > Steve > > > Hi Steve, > > Many thanks indeed for this. > > There is another message here for everyone as well - local and national > records do not always have the same data !!! (This marriage is not in > the national records at the Family Record Centre in London). > > Best regards > Tony > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Spot on Steve, Also remember that the GRO indexes were further copied (notice the typed GRO pages) these were done by typists brought in many years later, and that can account for yet more errors and omissions. Regards - Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Stutcinskas" <Steve@Stutcinskas.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: [Pots] RE: [STS] Marriage Lookups Hi All - Just think about the following scenario at a marriage in a church and what happens after..... You go to church and the vicar weds you ..... 1 You then go and sign the register ....... But its really two registers - one for the church and one for the registrars.... 2 The registrars then enter into their INDEX all the marriages and where they took place ..... 3 Every Quarter these indexes are sent of - to Southport now but used to be St Caths house 4 They then generate a different set of indexes on a Year/Place/Quarter basis At each stage there is room for errors to creep in . When I have ordered marriage certs from Southport I look at which church it was at and then go up Hanley and check it against the entry in the parish records .....You'd be surprised how often there is a slight difference. This is one reason why some entries don’t appear on the GRO index - Steve Hi Steve, Many thanks indeed for this. There is another message here for everyone as well - local and national records do not always have the same data !!! (This marriage is not in the national records at the Family Record Centre in London). Best regards Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

On a Google search I found a reference to the two above names by Alan Wildin, but no email address. I would like to contact him as I think he will be a 2nd cousin of my husband. My husband's great grandparents were William Henry Wildin and Mary Malkin. Jeanne _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger