I note with interest the request for information of a Port Vale player. My mothers cousin was Wilf Kirkham, who I understand still holds 2 records for Port Vale. I would be very grateful for further information regarding his football career and achievements, as well as details of the man himself. Regards Jacqui Cooper

Thanks for taking the time do that for me. I'm going to order the index for myself I think because I do find them handy! Regards, Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "J L Hall" <jimles@liehall.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] 1851 Surname Index for Stoke on Trent > Hi Joanne > Here are the Piece and Folio references for Ashleys and Chadwicks from the > 1851 census. > > ASHLEY > 2004 - 012 Stoke on Trent > > 2005 - 060 Stoke on Trent > > 2005 - 242 Stoke on Trent > > 2005 - 285 Stoke on Trent > > 2005 - 412 Stoke on Trent > > 2006 - 324 Stoke on Trent > > 2006 - 429 Stoke on Trent > > CHADWICK > 2004 - 246 Stoke on Trent > > 2004 - 247 Stoke on Trent > > 2004 - 257 Stoke on Trent > > 2004 - 262 Stoke on Trent > > 2004 - 275 Stoke on Trent' > > 2004 - 307 Stoke on Trent > > 2004 - 388 Stoke on Trent > > 2005 - 267 Stoke on Trent > > > 2005 - 278 Stoke on Trent > > 2005 - 380 Stoke on Trent > > 2006 - 381 Stoke on Trent > > 2006 - 404 Stoke on Trent > > 2007 - 407 Stoke on Trent > > 2007 - 452 Stoke on Trent > > 2007 - 468 Stoke on Trent > > > > Hope these are of use to you. > > Regards > > Les Hall > > > > Subject: [Pots] 1851 Surname Index for Stoke on Trent > > > > Hello, > > I'm trying to track down and elusive widow and I'm wondering if anyone has > > access to the 1851 surname index for Stoke upon Trent and would be willing > > to let me know the entry references for ASHLEY and CHADWICK. > > > > Thanks a million > > Joanne > > ------------------ > > Research Interests > > check out my trees http://www.oceanv.net/projects.htm > > ------------------ > > ADDIS - Worcester (Caroline Addis m. Edward Kennard m.1842 Worcester, her > > sister m. William Smith) > > ALDRIDGE - Gloucester (married Joseph Walkley) > > AUSTIN - Warwick, Leicester, Rutland (Florence Stride m. Albert Austin > > m.1918 Bham) > > BALL - Married Dawson - Castle Donnington, Leicester > > BARNETT - Nailsea, Bedminster > > CARTER - West Bromwich (Emily Carter m. Frederick KNIGHT m. 1893 West > Brom) > > CHALLINGSWORTH - Kingswinford, Sts (Eliza Challingsworth m. Peter > Firmstone > > m. 1831 Dudley) > > CHAPPELL - Birmingham, Warwick (Clara Chappel m. William REEVES m. 1879 > Bham) > > CLARKE - Leicester (m. into RICHARDS m. 1873 Harborne) > > CORRY - Married Wagstaff (boatman) > > DAWSON - Wolverhampton, Sts, Castle D, Lei, Shardlow, Dby (mostly boatmen) > > DUNN - Kingswinford, Sts (Mariah Dunn m. Thomas Roberts m. 1849 Dudley) > > FIRMSTONE - Kingswinford, Sts (Susannah Firmstone m. Samuel Mallen m.1873 > > Dudley) > > HILL - Warwick (Kings Norton), Smethwick, West Bromwich - Walter Hill > > JACQUES - Rugby, War (Elizabeth m. John SHED m. 1893 Uxbridge - boatman) > > KENNARD - Birmingham & Worcester > > KNIGHT - West Bromwich/Wolverhampton (Frederick KNIGHT) > > MALLEN - Kingswinford, Sts or Worcester > > LOCKLEY - Wolverhampton, Sts (Sarah m. John DAWSON m 1855 Wolverhampton - > > boatman) > > PEMBERTON - Dumbarton, Scotland/Smethwick, Sts - Margaret m. William > CARTER) > > QUEEN - Glasgow, Scotland (Mary m. Thomas PEMBERTON bef. 1837 > somewhere....) > > RICHARDS - London, War, Sts - William RICHARDS (Hair Dresser) Son - > William > > (Japanner) > > REEVES - Birmingham, Kings Norton (Polly Lily Reeves m. Thomas HILL m. > 1904) > > ROBERTS - Quarry Bank/Kingswinford, Worcester or Stafford > > SAVAGE - Wolverhampton, Stafford (Caroline m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1855 > Tipton) > > SHED - Paddington, London (Emily m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1916 Bham) > > SMITH - Pershore, Worcester to Birmingham (George Smith m. Caroline > Kennard > > & William Smith m. Susannah Addis) > > SPONGE - Bingham, Nottingham (Mary m. William Shelton Hoby, Leicester) > > STEWART - Midlothian area, Scotland > > STRIDE - Warwick, Worcester - always interested in ALL STRIDE/STROYDs > > WARD - Warwick - Occupation Carpenter > > WITHERS - Newcastle on Tyne (Mary m. William RICHARDS, her father was > Ephraim) > > > > I Administer the following lists on Rootsweb.com. Send an email with > > Subscribe in the subject line to Join: > > CHALLINGSWORTH-l-request@rootsweb.com > > GRASIER-l-request@rootsweb.com > > LOCKLEY-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com > > SHED-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com > > STRIDE-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > >

OOOPs - Should have wriiten :- The above is extracted from "The Port Vale Record 1879-1993" ISBN number is 0 9508981 9 8 Author is JEFF KENT Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Terry - said "Apologies once again." Absolutely no reason to apologise - trying to get evidence of what your relatives did, IS Family history and I am happy to offer the following to your grandson. I will ask Jeff Kent if he has anything more on Jack when I see him at the next home match. these are the games your Jack played in. Though I have none myself, I would suspect that you would see little of Jack in programmes other than his names on the team sheet section Season 29/30 Played 5 times in second divn at No 4 but never scored - not played in FA Cup Carlisle (H) Won 4-0 Nelson (A) won 3-2 Southport(H) won 1-0 Doncaster(H) Won 2-0 Crewe (H) Won 2-0 Season 30/31 Played 7 times in second divn at No 4 but never scored - not playued in FA Cup Everton (A) Won 3-2 Bradford PA (H) los 8-2 Bury (H) won 1-0 Plymouth (A) Los 1-2 Barnsley (A) Los 2-5 Milwall (A) Won 1-0 Bradford C (H) Won 1-0 Season 31/32 Played 12 times in second divn at No 4 but never scored - not playued in FA Cup Season 32/33 Played 24 times in second divn (7 @ No 2, 1 @ No 5 and 16 at No 4) scored 3 goals - not playued in FA Cup scoring matches were :- West Ham (h) won 4-0 penalty Manch Utd (h) draw 3-3 Grimsby (h) won 4-2 penalty The above is extracted from "The Port Vale Record 1879-1993) Author is and the ISBN number is 0 9508981 9 8 In the photo section, plate 15 is the 1930/31 team and plate 16 is the 1932/33 - though the players are not identified. Steve Ps - If you want I will send details of his last two seasons later if you want them Hello Listers, Please excuse my posting this on the board, but I wonder if anyone may know of any pre-war programmes for Port Vale F.C. which feature Jack Sherlock? This would have been about 1928-1930 .Jack was my uncle and I would love to copy any programme in which he features, for my grandson who is mad on football. Apologies once again. Terry B. ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Hello Listers, Please excuse my posting this on the board, but I wonder if anyone may know of any pre-war programmes for Port Vale F.C. which feature Jack Sherlock? This would have been about 1928-1930 .Jack was my uncle and I would love to copy any programme in which he features, for my grandson who is mad on football. Apologies once again. Terry B.

WOW - Thanks to everyone that replied to my post!! I have spent so many hours trying to trace My Joseph, and whithin a few minutes of posting I was receiving feedback. Many Thanks to all. >From: EarlJDavis@aol.com >Reply-To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Pots] Joseph THOMAS >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:53:31 EDT > >In a message dated 02/10/2003 18:43:20 GMT Standard Time, >avontrent@hotmail.com writes: > > > According to my grandfather, my Thomas family originated in Cornwall and > > being miners, ended up in Longton having followed the coalfields through > > Wales. In trying to prove this theory I have got back to my Gt Gt > > Grandfather Joseph Thomas b1833, as far as i know in Longton. His father >was > > > > also Joseph - but I am totally stuck now. > > > > Would a 1851 census lookup give the birthplace of Joseph (elder). Young > > Joseph married Eliza Hulme in 1855, so should have been living with his > > father in 1851. Joseph elder I believe married an "Ann" > > > > Any help here greatly appreciated > >Here are the Thomas family from the 1841 Longton / Lane End census. The Y >in >the last column indicates if they were born in the county. > >Regards Earl. > >991/3/41Foley Road >Joseph THOMAS.35..coal miner..y >Hannah........30..............y >George........14..............y >Fanny.........13..............y >Harriett......11..............y >Joseph.........9..............y >John...........7..............y >William........5..............y >Samuel.........7m.............y > > >==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== >The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Dear Mike, it does not always signify that a middle name was the mother's maiden name. It is always a starting point but both my grandfather's had a middle name. Elijah Cook Mayer and Arthur Maddock Parr. I have discovered that the Cook had come from a family friend James Cook and went back to the 1830s several children in previous generations having had this middle name. I still have to discover why it was Maddock for Arthur as there are no Maddocks in the family. If the school teacher was very helpful to the family perhaps with one of the parents or elder children they would have given the next child that middle name from respect. Sorry it makes things difficult but it is often interesting trying to find the answer, it certainly was in my Cook case. Regards Ann Simcock ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hillmoore@aol.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: [Pots] MOORLEY > Hi list, > I'm stuck! My great grandfather was christened Harry Orme MOORLEY > which would usually signify that his mother's maiden name was ORME. My > GGrandfather was Robert MOORLEY but deceased at the time of his son's marriage. I believe > Robert was born in Derby 22 Sept 1816 since this ties in with a Robert > MOORLEY whose death was registered in 1878 age 62yrs. Likewise the same Robert might > have been the guy that married Mary Ann GRIFFITHS in 1839. So where did the > Orme come from? I am aware that a Rev ORME set up a school in Newcastle but > one doesn't normally name your children after a schoolmaster or school! > > If some kind soul out there can help me I would be very grateful. > > Mike Hill > Waterlooville > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi Ann thanks to a copy of the 1851 Census sheet from Pam in Canada I believe the mystery is solved. John ORME lived next door to Robert MOORLEY in Clarence Street so it looks like a very close friend was being honoured. I shall have great delight in phoning 78 yr old Harry Orme MOORLEY to tell him how he got his name! Many thanks Mike Waterlooville

In a message dated 02/10/2003 18:43:20 GMT Standard Time, avontrent@hotmail.com writes: > According to my grandfather, my Thomas family originated in Cornwall and > being miners, ended up in Longton having followed the coalfields through > Wales. In trying to prove this theory I have got back to my Gt Gt > Grandfather Joseph Thomas b1833, as far as i know in Longton. His father was > > also Joseph - but I am totally stuck now. > > Would a 1851 census lookup give the birthplace of Joseph (elder). Young > Joseph married Eliza Hulme in 1855, so should have been living with his > father in 1851. Joseph elder I believe married an "Ann" > > Any help here greatly appreciated Here are the Thomas family from the 1841 Longton / Lane End census. The Y in the last column indicates if they were born in the county. Regards Earl. 991/3/41Foley Road Joseph THOMAS.35..coal miner..y Hannah........30..............y George........14..............y Fanny.........13..............y Harriett......11..............y Joseph.........9..............y John...........7..............y William........5..............y Samuel.........7m.............y

I only have the index to 1851 - not the census - and the THOMAS' in Longton are at RG/H107 piece 2007 folios 299, 402, and 461. Your folks may also be in Fenton which is on Piece 2006 - and there is lots in there Steve -----Original Message----- From: Alan Thomas [mailto:avontrent@hotmail.com] Sent: 02 October 2003 22:47 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Pots] Joseph THOMAS Thanks for that Steve, It is the right Joseph Thomas........I had the Joseph as a son but not Harriet and Samuel. My big prob is finding Josephs birth place - Joseph the father that is. Whatever - many thanks >From: "Steve Stutcinskas" <Steve@Stutcinskas.freeserve.co.uk> >Reply-To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [Pots] Joseph THOMAS >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:18:13 +0100 > > International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3 >Select records to download - (50 maximum) > 1. HARRIET THOMAS - International Genealogical Index >Gender: Female Christening: 17 APR 1832 Lane End, Stafford, England > > 2. JOSEPH THOMAS - International Genealogical Index >Gender: Male Christening: 21 JUL 1833 Lane End, Stafford, England > > 3. SAMUEL THOMAS - International Genealogical Index >Gender: Male Christening: 09 JAN 1841 Lane End, Stafford, England > > > Do you have these ?? >All are children of Joseph & Ann Thomas > >Steve > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Avon Trent [mailto:avontrent@hotmail.com] >Sent: 02 October 2003 18:43 >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Pots] Joseph THOMAS > > >According to my grandfather, my Thomas family originated in Cornwall >and > >being miners, ended up in Longton having followed the coalfields >through > >Wales. In trying to prove this theory I have got back to my Gt Gt >Grandfather Joseph Thomas b1833, as far as i know in Longton. His >father was also Joseph - but I am totally stuck now. > >Would a 1851 census lookup give the birthplace of Joseph (elder). Young >Joseph married Eliza Hulme in 1855, so should have been living with his >father in 1851. Joseph elder I believe married an "Ann" > >Any help here greatly appreciated > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > > >==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== >The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 > > > >==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== >The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. HARRIET THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 17 APR 1832 Lane End, Stafford, England 2. JOSEPH THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 21 JUL 1833 Lane End, Stafford, England 3. SAMUEL THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 09 JAN 1841 Lane End, Stafford, England Do you have these ?? All are children of Joseph & Ann Thomas Steve -----Original Message----- From: Avon Trent [mailto:avontrent@hotmail.com] Sent: 02 October 2003 18:43 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pots] Joseph THOMAS According to my grandfather, my Thomas family originated in Cornwall and being miners, ended up in Longton having followed the coalfields through Wales. In trying to prove this theory I have got back to my Gt Gt Grandfather Joseph Thomas b1833, as far as i know in Longton. His father was also Joseph - but I am totally stuck now. Would a 1851 census lookup give the birthplace of Joseph (elder). Young Joseph married Eliza Hulme in 1855, so should have been living with his father in 1851. Joseph elder I believe married an "Ann" Any help here greatly appreciated _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Thanks for that Steve, It is the right Joseph Thomas........I had the Joseph as a son but not Harriet and Samuel. My big prob is finding Josephs birth place - Joseph the father that is. Whatever - many thanks >From: "Steve Stutcinskas" <Steve@Stutcinskas.freeserve.co.uk> >Reply-To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [Pots] Joseph THOMAS >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:18:13 +0100 > > International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3 >Select records to download - (50 maximum) > 1. HARRIET THOMAS - International Genealogical Index >Gender: Female Christening: 17 APR 1832 Lane End, Stafford, England > > 2. JOSEPH THOMAS - International Genealogical Index >Gender: Male Christening: 21 JUL 1833 Lane End, Stafford, England > > 3. SAMUEL THOMAS - International Genealogical Index >Gender: Male Christening: 09 JAN 1841 Lane End, Stafford, England > > > Do you have these ?? >All are children of Joseph & Ann Thomas > >Steve > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Avon Trent [mailto:avontrent@hotmail.com] >Sent: 02 October 2003 18:43 >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Pots] Joseph THOMAS > > >According to my grandfather, my Thomas family originated in Cornwall and > >being miners, ended up in Longton having followed the coalfields through > >Wales. In trying to prove this theory I have got back to my Gt Gt >Grandfather Joseph Thomas b1833, as far as i know in Longton. His father >was >also Joseph - but I am totally stuck now. > >Would a 1851 census lookup give the birthplace of Joseph (elder). Young >Joseph married Eliza Hulme in 1855, so should have been living with his >father in 1851. Joseph elder I believe married an "Ann" > >Any help here greatly appreciated > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > > >==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== >The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 > > > >==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== >The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

I didn't find your Thomas family in Longton. As Steve mentioned, there are LOTS of Thomas entries in the surname index (over 500), so it would be difficult to pin down your particular family. Pamela White Victoria BC Researching: Ontario - BATES, BOWEN, NICOLL, RICHARDSON, WATTERS, WHITTINGHAM Cornwall - GALE, HOSKIN Cumberland - BATES, FISHER Devon - GALE, WHITTINGHAM London/Middlesex - BOWEN, GALLON (GILLAN) Staffordshire - BAGNALL, WALTON, WHITTINGHAM Angus - BIRNIE BOWEN, BRUCE, DICK, DYE, GARDINER, GEORGE, HAGGART, HOWE, KIDD, NICOL(L), REID, SMITH Banff - ALLAN, GREENLAW, GRAY, MORISON, RAINY, RIDDOCH Perth - BROWN, RICHARDSON Stirling - ALLAN, HENDERSON, MARSHALL, RICHARDSON Queensland - NICOL(L) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avon Trent" <avontrent@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: [Pots] Joseph THOMAS > According to my grandfather, my Thomas family originated in Cornwall and > being miners, ended up in Longton having followed the coalfields through > Wales. In trying to prove this theory I have got back to my Gt Gt > Grandfather Joseph Thomas b1833, as far as i know in Longton. His father was > also Joseph - but I am totally stuck now. > > Would a 1851 census lookup give the birthplace of Joseph (elder). Young > Joseph married Eliza Hulme in 1855, so should have been living with his > father in 1851. Joseph elder I believe married an "Ann" > > Any help here greatly appreciated > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

According to my grandfather, my Thomas family originated in Cornwall and being miners, ended up in Longton having followed the coalfields through Wales. In trying to prove this theory I have got back to my Gt Gt Grandfather Joseph Thomas b1833, as far as i know in Longton. His father was also Joseph - but I am totally stuck now. Would a 1851 census lookup give the birthplace of Joseph (elder). Young Joseph married Eliza Hulme in 1855, so should have been living with his father in 1851. Joseph elder I believe married an "Ann" Any help here greatly appreciated _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Hi list, I'm stuck! My great grandfather was christened Harry Orme MOORLEY which would usually signify that his mother's maiden name was ORME. My GGrandfather was Robert MOORLEY but deceased at the time of his son's marriage. I believe Robert was born in Derby 22 Sept 1816 since this ties in with a Robert MOORLEY whose death was registered in 1878 age 62yrs. Likewise the same Robert might have been the guy that married Mary Ann GRIFFITHS in 1839. So where did the Orme come from? I am aware that a Rev ORME set up a school in Newcastle but one doesn't normally name your children after a schoolmaster or school! If some kind soul out there can help me I would be very grateful. Mike Hill Waterlooville

Hi Joanne Here are the Piece and Folio references for Ashleys and Chadwicks from the 1851 census. ASHLEY 2004 - 012 Stoke on Trent 2005 - 060 Stoke on Trent 2005 - 242 Stoke on Trent 2005 - 285 Stoke on Trent 2005 - 412 Stoke on Trent 2006 - 324 Stoke on Trent 2006 - 429 Stoke on Trent CHADWICK 2004 - 246 Stoke on Trent 2004 - 247 Stoke on Trent 2004 - 257 Stoke on Trent 2004 - 262 Stoke on Trent 2004 - 275 Stoke on Trent' 2004 - 307 Stoke on Trent 2004 - 388 Stoke on Trent 2005 - 267 Stoke on Trent 2005 - 278 Stoke on Trent 2005 - 380 Stoke on Trent 2006 - 381 Stoke on Trent 2006 - 404 Stoke on Trent 2007 - 407 Stoke on Trent 2007 - 452 Stoke on Trent 2007 - 468 Stoke on Trent Hope these are of use to you. Regards Les Hall Subject: [Pots] 1851 Surname Index for Stoke on Trent > Hello, > I'm trying to track down and elusive widow and I'm wondering if anyone has > access to the 1851 surname index for Stoke upon Trent and would be willing > to let me know the entry references for ASHLEY and CHADWICK. > > Thanks a million > Joanne > ------------------ > Research Interests > check out my trees http://www.oceanv.net/projects.htm > ------------------ > ADDIS - Worcester (Caroline Addis m. Edward Kennard m.1842 Worcester, her > sister m. William Smith) > ALDRIDGE - Gloucester (married Joseph Walkley) > AUSTIN - Warwick, Leicester, Rutland (Florence Stride m. Albert Austin > m.1918 Bham) > BALL - Married Dawson - Castle Donnington, Leicester > BARNETT - Nailsea, Bedminster > CARTER - West Bromwich (Emily Carter m. Frederick KNIGHT m. 1893 West Brom) > CHALLINGSWORTH - Kingswinford, Sts (Eliza Challingsworth m. Peter Firmstone > m. 1831 Dudley) > CHAPPELL - Birmingham, Warwick (Clara Chappel m. William REEVES m. 1879 Bham) > CLARKE - Leicester (m. into RICHARDS m. 1873 Harborne) > CORRY - Married Wagstaff (boatman) > DAWSON - Wolverhampton, Sts, Castle D, Lei, Shardlow, Dby (mostly boatmen) > DUNN - Kingswinford, Sts (Mariah Dunn m. Thomas Roberts m. 1849 Dudley) > FIRMSTONE - Kingswinford, Sts (Susannah Firmstone m. Samuel Mallen m.1873 > Dudley) > HILL - Warwick (Kings Norton), Smethwick, West Bromwich - Walter Hill > JACQUES - Rugby, War (Elizabeth m. John SHED m. 1893 Uxbridge - boatman) > KENNARD - Birmingham & Worcester > KNIGHT - West Bromwich/Wolverhampton (Frederick KNIGHT) > MALLEN - Kingswinford, Sts or Worcester > LOCKLEY - Wolverhampton, Sts (Sarah m. John DAWSON m 1855 Wolverhampton - > boatman) > PEMBERTON - Dumbarton, Scotland/Smethwick, Sts - Margaret m. William CARTER) > QUEEN - Glasgow, Scotland (Mary m. Thomas PEMBERTON bef. 1837 somewhere....) > RICHARDS - London, War, Sts - William RICHARDS (Hair Dresser) Son - William > (Japanner) > REEVES - Birmingham, Kings Norton (Polly Lily Reeves m. Thomas HILL m. 1904) > ROBERTS - Quarry Bank/Kingswinford, Worcester or Stafford > SAVAGE - Wolverhampton, Stafford (Caroline m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1855 Tipton) > SHED - Paddington, London (Emily m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1916 Bham) > SMITH - Pershore, Worcester to Birmingham (George Smith m. Caroline Kennard > & William Smith m. Susannah Addis) > SPONGE - Bingham, Nottingham (Mary m. William Shelton Hoby, Leicester) > STEWART - Midlothian area, Scotland > STRIDE - Warwick, Worcester - always interested in ALL STRIDE/STROYDs > WARD - Warwick - Occupation Carpenter > WITHERS - Newcastle on Tyne (Mary m. William RICHARDS, her father was Ephraim) > > I Administer the following lists on Rootsweb.com. Send an email with > Subscribe in the subject line to Join: > CHALLINGSWORTH-l-request@rootsweb.com > GRASIER-l-request@rootsweb.com > LOCKLEY-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com > SHED-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com > STRIDE-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > >

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

I wrote: >Could SKS with 1851 census please look up 107 Well St (Hanley, I think). > Thanks to Jack and Pam for the lookups. BW Andy.

Is anyone researching this surname please? I think the family came from Hanley. Any information would be much appreciated with thanks Penelope Carter

Hi folks, I am looking for the birth details of Clara WATERWORTH born about 1866 the daughter of James WATERWORTH. She lived in 5 Union Street Newcastle U Lyme at the time of her marriage in Nov 1886 her father was a Sinker. Thanks in advance Mike Hill Waterlooville