Hello Again Pat, I dont know how far you have progressed or what resources you are using but whilst looking for a connection I think I may have found your JACOB HULSE on the IGI born in Longton 18th July 1830. If you dont already have this and would like details plus siblings please let me know. Regards, Terry Brooks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Wainwright" <pwainwri@macace.net> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Pots] Reposting interests > Hello Terry, > > I do not have a William but it's not impossible that there is a connection. > All I have so far on HULSE is 1881 census transcript from LDS: > > 17 Park St. S-O-T > Jacob HULSE, b. Longton, 53, Potters presser, Head > Ann HULSE, b. Longton, 42, wife > Dinah HULSE, b. Hanley, 21, potter, daur > Emma HULSE, b. Stoke, 18, potter, daur > Hannah HULSE, b. Stoke, 16, potter, daur > Jacob HULSE, b. Stoke, 10, potter, son > Thomas HULSE, b. Stoke, 8, scholar, son > Joseph HULSE, b. Stoke, 6, scholar, son > Saml. HULSE, b. Stoke, 3, scholar, son > Mary HULSE, b. Stoke, 2, daur > > Unless they were extremely precocious (scholar at 3?!) it looks as though > the enumerator or the transcriber has got lines crossed or missed one out. > Next time I have the opportunity I'll look at the original. > Cheers > Pat > > > Hello Patricia, > > Although I could not find the name mentioned in your list, I think I have > > a William Hulse who married the sister of my g-grandfather in the Potteries > > in 1889. The lady in question was Mary Sherlock who was 28 y.o. at her > > marriage. The Sherlock clan lived in the Tinkersclough area of Hanley in the > > period 1865-1900. If you have any interest please let me know. > > Best regards, Terry Brooks > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patricia Wainwright" <pwainwri@macace.net> > > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Pots] Reposting interests > > > > > >> My Great grandmother was Hannah Eliza HULSE b. 1865, da of Jacob and Ann > >> HULSE. Address in 1881 was 17 Park St Stoke-on-Trent. I haven't yet > >> explored that branch of the family so if it fits with any of your research > > I > >> would be very interested to know more. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Pat Wainwright > >> > >>> Names I am researching: > >>> > >>> BIRKS, BROSTER, GREEN, HULSE, MACHIN, PRINCE, RAY, REDFERN, STIRRUP, > > SWIFT, > >>> TIDESWELL, WEBB. > >>> > >>> Also interested in these Potteries: > >>> > >>> ADAMS AND PRINCE > >>> ALLERTON BROUGH AND GREEN > >>> ANCHOR WORKS > >>> HOLLAND AND GREEN > >>> PEEL POTTERY > >>> RAY AND TIDESWELL > >>> WEBB AND CO > >>> WEBB AND WALTERS > >>> > >>> Jennie Shelley, New Zealand > >>> > >>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>> Find your perfect match @ http://personals.xtramsn.co.nz with XtraMSN > >>> Personals! > >>> > >>> ______________________________ > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > >> The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >> > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

My g-grandmother's sister married into these Lightfoots. Any connection? Dwelling: 11 Smith St Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2710 Folio 21 Page 36 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Sarah LIGHTFOOT M 55 F Repple, Worcester, England Rel: Head Henry LIGHTFOOT U 22 M Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Tile Maker Frederick LIGHTFOOT U 16 M Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Tile Maker Samuel LIGHTFOOT 12 M Tunstall, Stafford, England Rel: Son

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Hello Pat, Not a footballer but a swimmer called Norman Wainwright who was alledged to have been my Grandfather Harry MOORLEY's rival in the Hanley Swimming pool. Norman became an Olympic Champion twixt the two world wars. Stanley Matthews was a post war champion footballer. I think I saw him play for Stoke in the late 40's. Mike Waterlooville

Hi Andy Many thanks for getting back to me, I'm probably telling you something that you already know but Sarah Henshall and James OLIVERs marriage are listed on both FreeBMD and the Staffs BMD sites. No Sarah on my list at the moment but I have not gone back past the 1850s on the HENSHALL line. The Scrubs!, yes court records might be the way to go, I had thought of the local papers of that time but that may be very time consuming. Will let you know of any developments. Best Wishes Henry

Has SKS got access to the 1871 census for Hanley?.I am interested in the Roberts family who were possibly living in Greville street no.7.Hopefully my great grandfather Thomas will be there aged about 16 with other members of the family.Thanks in advance for any help. Maggie Stewart.

Jane - Its 18.01 Stoke Shelton and Hartshill - Bottom right hand corner area Everyone - there is a new map out in this series Hanley East and Bucknal 12.14 Steve -----Original Message----- From: Petjallen@aol.com [mailto:Petjallen@aol.com] Sent: 15 November 2003 10:54 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pots] Streets that no longer exist Thanks Steve, They probably used the old name because they had lived there quite a long time - my mum's mum was also born there in 1898 Unfortunately, I did not buy the Godfrey map of the area because I could not find Boughey terrace - do you know what number map it is so I can order one?? Jane ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Hi Henry, Thanks for your interest. I can see no connection at present but bells do ring when you mention Audley - my current interest is Sarah HENSHALL b. 1817 m. James OLIVER in Stoke. Sarah gives her birthplace in 1881 as Newport SAL but in 1851 as Whitchurch SAL. So in view of your Audley interest there may at some stage be a connection - we must keep in touch. Regarding your man in the Scrubs, I wonder whether there are court records to search - you have a reasonably narrow time range to search, so that's helpful. I wouldn't know where to begin, but someone on the list might do. Good luck in your research. BW Andy. At 08:57 15/11/03 -0000, you wrote: >Hi Andy > >My main interests are in the GRIFFITHS Surname from around the Madeley area >of staffs, I have an Elizabeth HENSHALL who married my Great Uncle William >GRIFFITHS in September 1880. Her parents being William HENSHALL and Emma >(MANWARING) but at the moment I am puzzled as to why her brother Ralph, born >about 1854 at Audley, who was born and bred in the area should turn up in >Wormwood Scrubs Prison in the 1881 Census. His wife and two children are in >the Audley area in the 1881 census, the youngest being 2 so Ralph was still >around in 1878 I think. Ralph was back with his family at Hanley in the 1901 >Census. >Have you any ideas on this please. > >Best Wishes > >Henry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andy Micklethwaite" <andy@ilocker.freeserve.co.uk> >To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:17 PM >Subject: Re: [Pots] Reposting interests > > >> At 19:58 12/11/03 -0000, Terry wrote: >> > I dont know if a William Hulse is in your tree who married Mary >> >Sherlock in Newcastle in 1889? If this is of interest to you please let >me >> >know. >> >> Not come across either name. I've looking at: >> STUBBS, PERRY, GREEN, OLIVER (also in NJ), CATON, PANKHURST, POINTON, >BEBBINGTON (also in CHS), HENSHALL (also in SAL), LOWE, JENKS, MALPASS, >HILL, DUCKAS (STS) >> >> My interest was in your GREEN! >> >> >> BW Andy. >> >> >> ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== >> The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >> >> > > >==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== >The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > >

Jane – it is on the Godfrey map – Find LEEK Road – near Sewage Works – You will see DARNLEY Road , and CONWAY Road, and BOUGHY ROAD. Boughey Terrace was on Road. You can check this by looking at the 1891 census and using the street index find Boughey Terrace There is NO Boughey Road ..... I suspect whoever registered the birth was using the old name – It is a very common practice in the Potts To confirm this you can get the electoral register for 1928 from the Library and check who was living at Boughey Road Steve -----Original Message----- From: Petjallen@aol.com [mailto:Petjallen@aol.com] Sent: 14 November 2003 22:17 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pots] Streets that no longer exist Following on from CHANGED street names - Does anyone know how to find where a street WAS, that no longer exists?? I cannot find it on the Godfrey maps.. my mother was born in Boughey Terrace, Shelton in 1928 Any ideas... Jane ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Hi Andy My main interests are in the GRIFFITHS Surname from around the Madeley area of staffs, I have an Elizabeth HENSHALL who married my Great Uncle William GRIFFITHS in September 1880. Her parents being William HENSHALL and Emma (MANWARING) but at the moment I am puzzled as to why her brother Ralph, born about 1854 at Audley, who was born and bred in the area should turn up in Wormwood Scrubs Prison in the 1881 Census. His wife and two children are in the Audley area in the 1881 census, the youngest being 2 so Ralph was still around in 1878 I think. Ralph was back with his family at Hanley in the 1901 Census. Have you any ideas on this please. Best Wishes Henry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Micklethwaite" <andy@ilocker.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Reposting interests > At 19:58 12/11/03 -0000, Terry wrote: > > I dont know if a William Hulse is in your tree who married Mary > >Sherlock in Newcastle in 1889? If this is of interest to you please let me > >know. > > Not come across either name. I've looking at: > STUBBS, PERRY, GREEN, OLIVER (also in NJ), CATON, PANKHURST, POINTON, BEBBINGTON (also in CHS), HENSHALL (also in SAL), LOWE, JENKS, MALPASS, HILL, DUCKAS (STS) > > My interest was in your GREEN! > > > BW Andy. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

Thanks Steve, They probably used the old name because they had lived there quite a long time - my mum's mum was also born there in 1898 Unfortunately, I did not buy the Godfrey map of the area because I could not find Boughey terrace - do you know what number map it is so I can order one?? Jane

Hello list, For any newcomers trying to find streets in the Potteries without success, this is where to look first. http://www.thepotteries.org/streets/re_old_b.htm Hope that this helps someone. Terry Brooks in Wet and Windy Manchester.

Following on from CHANGED street names - Does anyone know how to find where a street WAS, that no longer exists?? I cannot find it on the Godfrey maps.. my mother was born in Boughey Terrace, Shelton in 1928 Any ideas... Jane

At 19:58 12/11/03 -0000, Terry wrote: > I dont know if a William Hulse is in your tree who married Mary >Sherlock in Newcastle in 1889? If this is of interest to you please let me >know. Not come across either name. I've looking at: STUBBS, PERRY, GREEN, OLIVER (also in NJ), CATON, PANKHURST, POINTON, BEBBINGTON (also in CHS), HENSHALL (also in SAL), LOWE, JENKS, MALPASS, HILL, DUCKAS (STS) My interest was in your GREEN! BW Andy.

Hi Pat, There is one Thomas WAINWRIGHT (only one) listed in the Stoke City A to Z Book:- Thomas WAINWRIGHT "WAINWRIGHT made one apperence at first team level for Stoke, lining up at inside-left in a 5-1 away League defeat by Aston Villa in Setember 1888. Born localy c. 1864, he played for Stoke St Jude's before his spell at the Victoria Ground and after leaving The Potters he assisted Stoke Priory." Not sure if there could be a connection to Sir Stan (born 1915 turned pro at 17) Hope this helps - Eric From: "Patricia Wainwright" <pwainwri@macace.net To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: [Pots] Football - Stoke - WAINWRIGHT > Hello all, > > I cannot claim any knowledge of (or even interest in) football, but family > folklore has it that my g-grandfather Thomas Wainwright and my g-uncle, also > Thomas Wainwright played for Stoke City and/or Stoke stars(?) sometime late > 19th/early 20th C. and that there was some connection with Stanley > Matthews. Does anyone have access to any club records that would confirm or > deny? > > Many thanks > Pat Wainwright > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hello all, I cannot claim any knowledge of (or even interest in) football, but family folklore has it that my g-grandfather Thomas Wainwright and my g-uncle, also Thomas Wainwright played for Stoke City and/or Stoke stars(?) sometime late 19th/early 20th C. and that there was some connection with Stanley Matthews. Does anyone have access to any club records that would confirm or deny? Many thanks Pat Wainwright

Hello Terry, I do not have a William but it's not impossible that there is a connection. All I have so far on HULSE is 1881 census transcript from LDS: 17 Park St. S-O-T Jacob HULSE, b. Longton, 53, Potters presser, Head Ann HULSE, b. Longton, 42, wife Dinah HULSE, b. Hanley, 21, potter, daur Emma HULSE, b. Stoke, 18, potter, daur Hannah HULSE, b. Stoke, 16, potter, daur Jacob HULSE, b. Stoke, 10, potter, son Thomas HULSE, b. Stoke, 8, scholar, son Joseph HULSE, b. Stoke, 6, scholar, son Saml. HULSE, b. Stoke, 3, scholar, son Mary HULSE, b. Stoke, 2, daur Unless they were extremely precocious (scholar at 3?!) it looks as though the enumerator or the transcriber has got lines crossed or missed one out. Next time I have the opportunity I'll look at the original. Cheers Pat > Hello Patricia, > Although I could not find the name mentioned in your list, I think I have > a William Hulse who married the sister of my g-grandfather in the Potteries > in 1889. The lady in question was Mary Sherlock who was 28 y.o. at her > marriage. The Sherlock clan lived in the Tinkersclough area of Hanley in the > period 1865-1900. If you have any interest please let me know. > Best regards, Terry Brooks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Wainwright" <pwainwri@macace.net> > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Pots] Reposting interests > > >> My Great grandmother was Hannah Eliza HULSE b. 1865, da of Jacob and Ann >> HULSE. Address in 1881 was 17 Park St Stoke-on-Trent. I haven't yet >> explored that branch of the family so if it fits with any of your research > I >> would be very interested to know more. >> >> Thanks >> Pat Wainwright >> >>> Names I am researching: >>> >>> BIRKS, BROSTER, GREEN, HULSE, MACHIN, PRINCE, RAY, REDFERN, STIRRUP, > SWIFT, >>> TIDESWELL, WEBB. >>> >>> Also interested in these Potteries: >>> >>> ADAMS AND PRINCE >>> ALLERTON BROUGH AND GREEN >>> ANCHOR WORKS >>> HOLLAND AND GREEN >>> PEEL POTTERY >>> RAY AND TIDESWELL >>> WEBB AND CO >>> WEBB AND WALTERS >>> >>> Jennie Shelley, New Zealand >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Find your perfect match @ http://personals.xtramsn.co.nz with XtraMSN >>> Personals! >>> >>> ______________________________ >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== >> The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >> > > ______________________________

Just a comment, but I have seen many scholars as young as 2 on the 1891 census in areas of my research both in S E Cheshire, and over in Cambridgshire, so the LDS transcription may have been what it actually said I did read somewhere it was a status thing with people to say their children were being educated,,,, but age 2????? Jane Newcastle, Staffs, UK

Hi Frank No connection I'm afraid. My name is COTTON by default. My maiden name was HALL Cheers Pam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Whalley" <frankwhalley@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Edensor Church Pam, My grandmother, Mary Cotton, was born in Longton in 1886, though she later called herself Jenkins as her mother married a John Jenkins. Her mother, also Mary Cotton, was born in Longton in 1862. I have traced the line back to William Cotton, born before 1789, who married Ann Wood. Any chance our lines are connected? Frank Whalley Cardiff, South Wales. >From: "Pam Cotton" <p.cotton4@ntlworld.com> >Reply-To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Pots] Edensor Church >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:02:51 -0000 > >The Memorial Inscriptions have been recorded also. Check the BMSGH bookshop >to see if they have been published yet. > >Pam >Fenton >Stoke on Trent > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 10/11/2003

Andy, I dont know if a William Hulse is in your tree who married Mary Sherlock in Newcastle in 1889? If this is of interest to you please let me know. Terry Brooks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Micklethwaite" <andy@ilocker.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Reposting interests > At 08:22 11/11/03 +0000, you wrote: > >Names I am researching: > > > >BIRKS, BROSTER, GREEN, HULSE, MACHIN, PRINCE, RAY, REDFERN, STIRRUP, SWIFT, > >TIDESWELL, WEBB. > > > > Have you come across Elizabeth GREEN b. 1799 Hanley? > > BW Andy. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >