>It is the only marriage of a John WAINWRIGHT in the right area at the right >time and the occupation matches so I'm fairly confident the groom is the >right one but the bride's name is Sarah not Ann! There isn't time between >the marriage and 1st child for him to have been widowed and remarried so I'm >stumped. You can get some real anomalies cropping up in names. I have a distant relative who was christened using one forename but registered with another and it was the latter under which he's found in the census, for example. My first reaction to your problem is that it may well be the same wife. The names Sarah and Ann are very frequently found together so she could have been married by her first name - which she possibly never used - and her children were baptised under the second name by which she was generally known, especially if she moved parishes in between times. >To complicate things further, the IGI lists a marriage of John >WAINWRIGHT to Sarah HARRISON in Newcastle-U-L in 1795 (from the Bishops >transcript) although I cannot find a corresponding entry in the parish >register. The two don't always coincide. Usually, the BTs have fewer entries but I have heard of their having additional entries for some parishes. Regards, Keith

I¹ve hit a snag and wonder if anyone could advise me where to look next. My ggg-grandfather was Thomas WAINWRIGHT who married Margaret ESPLEY in Keele 18 Dec 1831. I think, but am a bit short of confirmatory evidence, that he is the Thomas WAINWRIGHT baptised in Burslem 18 Oct 1812. Using the IGI and parish registers I have found the family: 1801 May 24 Samuel, s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT baptised Burslem 1803 May 29 Elizabeth d. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT baptised Burslem 1805 Mar 10 Margt. d. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT b. Mar 3 baptised Trentham 1807 Jan 25 Rich. s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT victualler, Hanfd. Bk baptised Trentham 1808 Oct 30 John, s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT, victualler Hanfd. Bk baptised Trentham 1810 Nov 29 Wm. s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT, victualler Hanf. Bk. b. Nov 28 baptised Trentham 1811 Apr 14 Wm. s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT, publican Hanf. Bk b. Nov 20 10 baptised Trentham 1812 Oct 18 Thomas s. of John and Anne WAINWRIGHT (Hanley) baptised Burslem So, my next step was to look for the marriage and I found: 1800 Jun 1 Jno WAINWRIGHT (victaller) of Stoke and Sarah HARRISON married in Newcastle-under-Lyme. It is the only marriage of a John WAINWRIGHT in the right area at the right time and the occupation matches so I'm fairly confident the groom is the right one but the bride's name is Sarah not Ann! There isn't time between the marriage and 1st child for him to have been widowed and remarried so I'm stumped. To complicate things further, the IGI lists a marriage of John WAINWRIGHT to Sarah HARRISON in Newcastle-U-L in 1795 (from the Bishops transcript) although I cannot find a corresponding entry in the parish register. Any suggestions where to look next? and the easier question: Where is Hanfd. Bk. ? Many thanks Pat

Hi Listers The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births - Leek Urban, (1935 to 1958) Staffordshire Moorlands Registration District. Births - Alton, (1954 to 1958) Staffordshire Moorlands Registration District. Births - Biddulph, (1935 to 1954) Staffordshire Moorlands Registration District. Marriages - Wolstanton Register Office - 1868 to 1886 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. Marriages - Burslem (Swan Bank), Central Methodist Church - 1899 to 1950 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. Marriages - Burslem, St Paul - 1866 to 1880 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. Marriages - Wellington (Hanley), St Luke - 1868 to 1875 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. Marriages - Etruria, St Matthew - 1849 to 1869 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk (If you live in the North/Mid Staffs area, South Cheshire area or the West Midlands and would like to help Photostating,Transcribing or Co-ordinating then please email me asap please!!) ========================================================================

I am researching MYCOCKs in Barlaston and would be pleased to hear from any fellow researchers. Thanks Tim WOOTTON GRATWICH MYCOCK All Barlaston/Stone area

unsubscribe ------------------ Research Interests check out my trees http://www.oceanv.net/projects.htm ------------------ ADDIS - Worcester (Caroline Addis m. Edward Kennard m.1842 Worcester, her sister m. William Smith) ALDRIDGE - Gloucester (married Joseph Walkley) AUSTIN - Warwick, Leicester, Rutland (Florence Stride m. Albert Austin m.1918 Bham) BALL - Married Dawson - Castle Donnington, Leicester BARNETT - Nailsea, Bedminster CARTER - West Bromwich (Emily Carter m. Frederick KNIGHT m. 1893 West Brom) CHALLINGSWORTH - Kingswinford, Sts (Eliza Challingsworth m. Peter Firmstone m. 1831 Dudley) CHAPPELL - Birmingham, Warwick (Clara Chappel m. William REEVES m. 1879 Bham) CLARKE - Leicester (m. into RICHARDS m. 1873 Harborne) CORRY - Married Wagstaff (boatman) DAWSON - Wolverhampton, Sts, Castle D, Lei, Shardlow, Dby (mostly boatmen) DUNN - Kingswinford, Sts (Mariah Dunn m. Thomas Roberts m. 1849 Dudley) FIRMSTONE - Kingswinford, Sts (Susannah Firmstone m. Samuel Mallen m.1873 Dudley) HILL - Warwick (Kings Norton), Smethwick, West Bromwich - Walter Hill JACQUES - Rugby, War (Elizabeth m. John SHED m. 1893 Uxbridge - boatman) KENNARD - Birmingham & Worcester KNIGHT - West Bromwich/Wolverhampton (Frederick KNIGHT) MALLEN - Kingswinford, Sts or Worcester LOCKLEY - Wolverhampton, Sts (Sarah m. John DAWSON m 1855 Wolverhampton - boatman) PEMBERTON - Dumbarton, Scotland/Smethwick, Sts - Margaret m. William CARTER) QUEEN - Glasgow, Scotland (Mary m. Thomas PEMBERTON bef. 1837 somewhere....) RICHARDS - London, War, Sts - William RICHARDS (Hair Dresser) Son - William (Japanner) REEVES - Birmingham, Kings Norton (Polly Lily Reeves m. Thomas HILL m. 1904) ROBERTS - Quarry Bank/Kingswinford, Worcester or Stafford SAVAGE - Wolverhampton, Stafford (Caroline m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1855 Tipton) SHED - Paddington, London (Emily m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1916 Bham) SMITH - Pershore, Worcester to Birmingham (George Smith m. Caroline Kennard & William Smith m. Susannah Addis) SPONGE - Bingham, Nottingham (Mary m. William Shelton Hoby, Leicester) STEWART - Midlothian area, Scotland STRIDE - Warwick, Worcester - always interested in ALL STRIDE/STROYDs WARD - Warwick - Occupation Carpenter WITHERS - Newcastle on Tyne (Mary m. William RICHARDS, her father was Ephraim) I Administer the following lists on Rootsweb.com. Send an email with Subscribe in the subject line to Join: CHALLINGSWORTH-l-request@rootsweb.com GRASIER-l-request@rootsweb.com LOCKLEY-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com SHED-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com STRIDE-l-request@rootsweb.com

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

If you are looking in the Birmingham area, check out these local websites, which has recently been updated. www.perrybarrbeyond.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk www.handsworthhistory.co.uk www.heartlandshistory.co.uk www.stjosephs-rc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk www.astonhistory.co.uk www.handsworth-history.co.uk www.oldladywood.co.uk

If anyone is looking at the 1861 Census for Tipton in the coming weeks please could they see if an Abraham and Harriet CHADWICK are living at Toll End. They had a son Henry born at that address on July 5th that year, but knowing my luck they didn't arrive until July 4th!!! I've come to the conclusion Boat people are very difficult to keep track of. Shirley Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/saelwick/index.htm e-mail: elwick@one-name.org

Sue, Two in 1891 - neither of the right age or birthplace. If you have details of the rest of the family, I could check Anne Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County Barton, Frances R 9 Peckham,Staffordshire Daughter Camberwell London Barton, Francis E 17 Wolverhampton,Staffordshire Daughter Wolverhampton Staffordshire and one Fanny Name:   Barton, Fanny Age in 1891: 10 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where Born: Tipton, Staffordshire Civil parish: Tipton Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County: Staffordshire On 18 Dec 2003, at 20:15, Sue wrote: > > Her name was FRANCES BARTON born LONGTON abt 1877. Place of birth I > got off the 1901 census in St Helens Lanc's were she married and > lived. > Sue Derbyshire. >

unsubscribe ------------------ Research Interests check out my trees http://www.oceanv.net/projects.htm ------------------ ADDIS - Worcester (Caroline Addis m. Edward Kennard m.1842 Worcester, her sister m. William Smith) ALDRIDGE - Gloucester (married Joseph Walkley) AUSTIN - Warwick, Leicester, Rutland (Florence Stride m. Albert Austin m.1918 Bham) BALL - Married Dawson - Castle Donnington, Leicester BARNETT - Nailsea, Bedminster CARTER - West Bromwich (Emily Carter m. Frederick KNIGHT m. 1893 West Brom) CHALLINGSWORTH - Kingswinford, Sts (Eliza Challingsworth m. Peter Firmstone m. 1831 Dudley) CHAPPELL - Birmingham, Warwick (Clara Chappel m. William REEVES m. 1879 Bham) CLARKE - Leicester (m. into RICHARDS m. 1873 Harborne) CORRY - Married Wagstaff (boatman) DAWSON - Wolverhampton, Sts, Castle D, Lei, Shardlow, Dby (mostly boatmen) DUNN - Kingswinford, Sts (Mariah Dunn m. Thomas Roberts m. 1849 Dudley) FIRMSTONE - Kingswinford, Sts (Susannah Firmstone m. Samuel Mallen m.1873 Dudley) HILL - Warwick (Kings Norton), Smethwick, West Bromwich - Walter Hill JACQUES - Rugby, War (Elizabeth m. John SHED m. 1893 Uxbridge - boatman) KENNARD - Birmingham & Worcester KNIGHT - West Bromwich/Wolverhampton (Frederick KNIGHT) MALLEN - Kingswinford, Sts or Worcester LOCKLEY - Wolverhampton, Sts (Sarah m. John DAWSON m 1855 Wolverhampton - boatman) PEMBERTON - Dumbarton, Scotland/Smethwick, Sts - Margaret m. William CARTER) QUEEN - Glasgow, Scotland (Mary m. Thomas PEMBERTON bef. 1837 somewhere....) RICHARDS - London, War, Sts - William RICHARDS (Hair Dresser) Son - William (Japanner) REEVES - Birmingham, Kings Norton (Polly Lily Reeves m. Thomas HILL m. 1904) ROBERTS - Quarry Bank/Kingswinford, Worcester or Stafford SAVAGE - Wolverhampton, Stafford (Caroline m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1855 Tipton) SHED - Paddington, London (Emily m. Thomas DAWSON m. 1916 Bham) SMITH - Pershore, Worcester to Birmingham (George Smith m. Caroline Kennard & William Smith m. Susannah Addis) SPONGE - Bingham, Nottingham (Mary m. William Shelton Hoby, Leicester) STEWART - Midlothian area, Scotland STRIDE - Warwick, Worcester - always interested in ALL STRIDE/STROYDs WARD - Warwick - Occupation Carpenter WITHERS - Newcastle on Tyne (Mary m. William RICHARDS, her father was Ephraim) I Administer the following lists on Rootsweb.com. Send an email with Subscribe in the subject line to Join: CHALLINGSWORTH-l-request@rootsweb.com GRASIER-l-request@rootsweb.com LOCKLEY-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com SHED-UK-l-request@rootsweb.com STRIDE-l-request@rootsweb.com

Happy Christmas to everyone Pam Stoke on Trent --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003

My thanks, To all you Potters for your help and friendship in 2003. Very best wishes to you all on this Christmas, and for your New Year. Terry Brooks.

Thanks to everyone on the list for all their help. Have a Good Christmas and an even better New Year. BW Andy.

Would some kind person please look on either the 1861 or 1871 census for the Smallthorne area, for Samuel JONES He was born in 1838, at Broseley, Shrops. He was living in Smallthorne from abt. 1859 to 1875 I seem to have hit a brick wall, so would appreciate any help that's offered. Ann

Dave, Yes that's correct - it was called 'The Railway Inn' if memory serves. And also the pub in the Village called 'The New Black Bull' Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "David N Weston" <davidnweston@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: [Pots] Black Bull Wolstanton ? > Hi list, pub just up the road called the Matador wasn't > there ? > de Dave > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi list, pub just up the road called the Matador wasn't there ? de Dave

Hi Listers The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Marriages - Stafford Wesleyan Methodist Chapel - 1905 to 1967 Stafford Registration District. (501 entries) Marriages - Burslem, St Pauls - 1846 to 1866 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. (985 entries) Marriages - Burslem, St John - 1850 to 1863 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. (500 entries) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk (If you live in the North/Mid Staffs area, South Cheshire area or the West Midlands and would like to help Photostating,Transcribing or Co-ordinating then please email me asap please!!) ========================================================================

Tom, Black Bull is Brindley Ford, The locals have always called it the 'Bull' or 'Black Bull'. Click on http://www.streetmap.co.uk and type in Brindley Ford Regards - Eric (about 1 mile from 'Bull') ----- Original Message ----- From: "Webb/Davies Research" <gospeloak@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:57 AM Subject: [Pots] Black Bull Wolstanton ? > List - > > My Webb family was from Newchapel in Wolstanton Parish. On the 1891 census > however, one of them listed his place of birth as Black Bull. I am not > familiar with any area around Wolstanton refered to in this way. > > Has anyone heard of this or know where this might be? > > Tom > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Black Bull was Brindley Ford - It has caught me out several times Stuty --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Hi Tom there was a Black Bull mine at Brown Lees near to Biddulph but I can't ever remember the area being called Black Bull. Regards Pauline --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now