Hello Terry I am not sure whether this is of any interest by my great grandad was called James Rhead Gotham and was born in 1847 in Fenton, Staffordshire. From research carried out to date (by one of my Uncles, my sister and I and also another Gotham descendant that we linked up with via the internet), we have not so far managed to find where the 'Rhead' part of his name originated. As it is not a name usually used for a christian name, it would make sense if, as seemed to be quite common years ago, the name was taken from a family surname. However, we have not made that link yet. I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards Sylvia -----Original Message----- From: terrybrooks [mailto:terrybrooks@ntlworld.com] Sent: 22 January 2004 12:30 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pots] Rheads- Trent Vale Hello Listers, I wonder if anyone has any connection to the Rhead family who in1881 lived at Flash Lane, Trent Vale. I have a really convoluted tree beginning to appear in this area. One of the witnesses on my grandfathers marriage certificate in 1889 was an ALBERT RHEAD. Not a very common name but granddad was married at Trent Vale so I assume that Albert is the son aged 15 in 1881 living on Flash Lane. It begins to get very involved because two of Alberts brothers EDWARD b c1868 and Thomas b c1871 married 2 sisters. Edward= MARY JANE SHERLOCK married 1891 and Thomas= EMMA SHERLOCK married 1893. Now to get really confusing. Some 30 years later, my grandfathers son (Are you still awake?), MY FATHER, married a cousin of the Sherlock sisters (One generation down) in Shelton Parish Church If anyone out there is connected to the RHEADS and can confirm my ramblings as above I would be DELIGHTED. Phew!! I have a headache after all that!! Best wishes to all on the list (What a lovely lot!) Terry Brooks. ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

Hello Listers, I wonder if anyone has any connection to the Rhead family who in1881 lived at Flash Lane, Trent Vale. I have a really convoluted tree beginning to appear in this area. One of the witnesses on my grandfathers marriage certificate in 1889 was an ALBERT RHEAD. Not a very common name but granddad was married at Trent Vale so I assume that Albert is the son aged 15 in 1881 living on Flash Lane. It begins to get very involved because two of Alberts brothers EDWARD b c1868 and Thomas b c1871 married 2 sisters. Edward= MARY JANE SHERLOCK married 1891 and Thomas= EMMA SHERLOCK married 1893. Now to get really confusing. Some 30 years later, my grandfathers son (Are you still awake?), MY FATHER, married a cousin of the Sherlock sisters (One generation down) in Shelton Parish Church If anyone out there is connected to the RHEADS and can confirm my ramblings as above I would be DELIGHTED. Phew!! I have a headache after all that!! Best wishes to all on the list (What a lovely lot!) Terry Brooks.

Hi Diana Have a word with our MI's co-ordinator Rob Carter his email addtress is as follows ....... robecarter@hotmail.com regards Bill ======================================================================== * This Mail was sent WITHOUT attachments* Bill Harrison's Genealogy Pages can be found online at http://www.harrisongenealogy.co.uk Also BMSGH Webmaster - URL = http://www.bmsgh.org The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk (If you live in the North/Mid Staffs area, South Cheshire area or the West Midlands and would like to help Photostating,Transcribing or Co-ordinating then please email me asap please!!) ======================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Bouglas" <Di.bouglas@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: [Pots] Trentham MIs > Does anyone know if the monumental inscriptions for Trentham have been > done/published? > > The name I'm particularly interested in is ALCOCK. > > Diana Bouglas > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 19-01-2004 > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

Does anyone know if the monumental inscriptions for Trentham have been done/published? The name I'm particularly interested in is ALCOCK. Diana Bouglas --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 19-01-2004

Hi Listers The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... 18 January 2004 Marriages - Burslem, Swan Bank Chapel - 1950 to 1984 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. 18 January 2004 Marriages - Wellington (Hanley), St Luke - 1854 to 1888 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. 18 January 2004 Marriages - Stoke, St Peter - 1844 to 1848 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. 18 January 2004 Marriages - Milton, St Philip & St James - 1921 to 1935 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. 18 January 2004 Marriages - Burslem, St Paul - 1880 to 1902 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. 18 January 2004 Marriages - Burslem, St John - 1863 to 1871 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. 18 January 2004 Marriages - Audley, Peoples Methodist (Primitive), (1946 to 1995) Newcastle-under-Lyme Registration District (entries 30) 18 January 2004 Births - Newcastle under Lyme, (1837 to 1846) Newcastle-under-Lyme Registration District (entries 4,000) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk (If you live in the North/Mid Staffs area, South Cheshire area or the West Midlands and would like to help Photostating,Transcribing or Co-ordinating then please email me asap please!!) ========================================================================

Looking for Mary lizzie Middleton born to Sarah and john Middleton 1873 Wolstanton parish Jan

Hi all, I'm looking for any info' on Mary Alice Potter nee Dale she had a daughter named Lillian, she was probably from the Burslem area around 1899. Has anyone come across this person? Regards, Arthur Goss, Victoria, Canada

Hi I am searching for information regarding the family of BERNARD PARRATT. He was born in1895 Rochdale Lnce.but his hamily all came from Stoke.He was the son of Cyrus and Hariet .Cyrus died in a mining accident in 1908 Bernard married MARY LIZZIE GRICE (born 1893) inMarch 1913 and lived at 43 Kent street Fenton. There children were; Bernard born and died in 1913 Alice born 1914 died 1915 Florence born 1918 George H born 1920 Richard born and died 1921 Irene born 1924 Bernard joined the North Staffs.Regiment and fought in modern say Iraq.While ther he learnt Mary had abandoned the children and put them into "care" before running off with a postal worker. Its possible Irene was there's. Bernard emigrated to Canada to join his mother and sisters ,Alice,Hilda,Evelyn and Doris who went there after the death of there father Cyrus in 1908. He spent the next 60 years searching from Cnada for his children but died in 1983 without success. His Canadian relatives (the son of Evelyn,Bernards sister) has asked me to help search for the desendants of the children to help fill gaps in there lives. My questions are; Has any one got a street directory for 43 KENT STREET FENTON for any year after 1913.This is where they lived but to when? Where did they go after they left Kent Street.? Has anyone got records of childrens homes for the area for the 1920's? ANY help would be much appreciated to put some closure to this sad story. Thanks in advance Mike in Brighton East Sussex. I am not a proffesional researcher.I carry out free adoption or birth relation searches _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

Hi Bryan, Thanks for the suggestion, I¹ll keep hunting. Interesting that your Wainwright is a Joseph because my father, grandfather and gg-grandfather are also Josephs but the dates don¹t match and I haven¹t (yet) found a William b. I¹ve followed the line back in the Potteries to late 18th when they seem to have arrived from Shropshire. So far I¹ve only been looking at the direct line and not following up what happened to siblings so may yet connect ­ Shropshire, Cheshire and Staffordshire are adjacent after all. If I find any connection I¹ll let you know. Thanks Pat > Hi Patricia, > I have Wainwrights and Harrisons on my family tree from Burslem but much > later than the dates you are researching. My Wainwright is Joseph b. 1861 in > Burslem. His father is William b. 1829 in Haslington, Cheshire. I've just > found this family connection so I don't have much more for you. > But to answer your question, when I was looking for my Mellor ancestors from > Burslem and couldn't find them, a Mellor girl married into the Harrison > family, anyway, I finally found them in the Wesleyan registers for Burlsem > and Tunstall. So yours may have been non-conformists. The Methodists, in > various forms, were quite popular in the Potteries and especially during the > late 1790's to 1837. So maybe your Wainwright is there. > > Good luck, > Bryan Small > Vancouver, BC, Canada > >

Hi Patricia, I have Wainwrights and Harrisons on my family tree from Burslem but much later than the dates you are researching. My Wainwright is Joseph b. 1861 in Burslem. His father is William b. 1829 in Haslington, Cheshire. I've just found this family connection so I don't have much more for you. But to answer your question, when I was looking for my Mellor ancestors from Burslem and couldn't find them, a Mellor girl married into the Harrison family, anyway, I finally found them in the Wesleyan registers for Burlsem and Tunstall. So yours may have been non-conformists. The Methodists, in various forms, were quite popular in the Potteries and especially during the late 1790's to 1837. So maybe your Wainwright is there. Good luck, Bryan Small Vancouver, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Wainwright Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 01:40 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pots] Wrong bride?! - WAINWRIGHT - HARRISON Hi Keith, "How do you know they're the same couple? Neither forenames nor surnames are uncommon and many families used the same names again and again." Good question. I know all about recurring names - I have a remarkably small selection in my tree so far. For Sarah Harrison you are quite right, in fact if that's the right line to follow it will be very difficult as there are dozens of candidate baptism records. John Wainwright, however, is not as common as you might expect. Between 1730 and 1780 I could only find 3 birth/baptisms in North Staffs: One in Burton and two brothers in Mucklestone (about 10 miles from Newcastle), one of whom died aged 2. Similarly, between 1760 and 1800 I can find only 3 marriages of a John Wainwright in Staffs: the pair in question and one in Burton. As you rightly say, sometimes we have to make educated guesses :-) There seem to me to be only four possibilities: - Another John Wainwright from out of county who happened to marry a namesake of his namesake's bride (unlikely) - The same John Wainwright who married a namesake of his deceased first wife (weird) - The same couple remarried (as you say, unlikely) - an error in either the original records or the transcription I think I'm going to have to search for banns books or licence applications in Lichfield(?). Thanks to Beverley for the Hanford Bank info. I thought it must be either Bank or Brook but haven't got a large scale map. Cheers Pat ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

No problem! I was afraid my last message sounded a bit abrupt. If so, it's my turn to apologize!. G. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Micklethwaite [mailto:andy@ilocker.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 15 January 2004 19:14 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Pots] 1841 census PANKHURST At 11:50 15/01/04, Graham wrote: >Andy - >Have you lost the message I sent you in November? No! Found it on the computer but not printed. It's a working brain I've lost I think! Apologies! Andy. ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 07/01/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 07/01/04

Hi Keith, "How do you know they're the same couple? Neither forenames nor surnames are uncommon and many families used the same names again and again." Good question. I know all about recurring names - I have a remarkably small selection in my tree so far. For Sarah Harrison you are quite right, in fact if that's the right line to follow it will be very difficult as there are dozens of candidate baptism records. John Wainwright, however, is not as common as you might expect. Between 1730 and 1780 I could only find 3 birth/baptisms in North Staffs: One in Burton and two brothers in Mucklestone (about 10 miles from Newcastle), one of whom died aged 2. Similarly, between 1760 and 1800 I can find only 3 marriages of a John Wainwright in Staffs: the pair in question and one in Burton. As you rightly say, sometimes we have to make educated guesses :-) There seem to me to be only four possibilities: - Another John Wainwright from out of county who happened to marry a namesake of his namesake's bride (unlikely) - The same John Wainwright who married a namesake of his deceased first wife (weird) - The same couple remarried (as you say, unlikely) - an error in either the original records or the transcription I think I'm going to have to search for banns books or licence applications in Lichfield(?). Thanks to Beverley for the Hanford Bank info. I thought it must be either Bank or Brook but haven't got a large scale map. Cheers Pat

Pat, Can't help with most of your enquiries but I lived in the Potteries until c. 1970 and am sure that I remember seeing buses going to Hanford Bank (which I presume is what Hanfd Bk is).- it would be near to Hanford, which is near to Trentham. Beverley Walker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Wainwright" <pwainwri@macace.net> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: [Pots] Wrong bride?! - WAINWRIGHT - HARRISON > I¹ve hit a snag and wonder if anyone could advise me where to look next. > > My ggg-grandfather was Thomas WAINWRIGHT who married Margaret ESPLEY in > Keele 18 Dec 1831. I think, but am a bit short of confirmatory evidence, > that he is the Thomas WAINWRIGHT baptised in Burslem 18 Oct 1812. Using the > IGI and parish registers I have found the family: > > 1801 May 24 Samuel, s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT baptised Burslem > 1803 May 29 Elizabeth d. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT baptised Burslem > 1805 Mar 10 Margt. d. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT b. Mar 3 baptised Trentham > 1807 Jan 25 Rich. s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT victualler, Hanfd. Bk > baptised Trentham > 1808 Oct 30 John, s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT, victualler Hanfd. Bk > baptised Trentham > 1810 Nov 29 Wm. s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT, victualler Hanf. Bk. b. Nov > 28 baptised Trentham > 1811 Apr 14 Wm. s. of John and Ann WAINWRIGHT, publican Hanf. Bk b. Nov 20 > 10 baptised Trentham > 1812 Oct 18 Thomas s. of John and Anne WAINWRIGHT (Hanley) baptised Burslem > > So, my next step was to look for the marriage and I found: > > 1800 Jun 1 Jno WAINWRIGHT (victaller) of Stoke and Sarah HARRISON married in > Newcastle-under-Lyme. > > It is the only marriage of a John WAINWRIGHT in the right area at the right > time and the occupation matches so I'm fairly confident the groom is the > right one but the bride's name is Sarah not Ann! There isn't time between > the marriage and 1st child for him to have been widowed and remarried so I'm > stumped. To complicate things further, the IGI lists a marriage of John > WAINWRIGHT to Sarah HARRISON in Newcastle-U-L in 1795 (from the Bishops > transcript) although I cannot find a corresponding entry in the parish > register. > > Any suggestions where to look next? and the easier question: Where is > Hanfd. Bk. ? > > Many thanks > Pat > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

At 11:50 15/01/04, Graham wrote: >Andy - >Have you lost the message I sent you in November? No! Found it on the computer but not printed. It's a working brain I've lost I think! Apologies! Andy.

Hi Pat, >Thanks for the thoughts Keith. Yes, I'd wondered whether she could be >simply using another name but it would be nice to find some confirmatory >evidence. I think sometimes we have to make educated guesses and provided our files record the lack of corroborative detail I think that's OK. >The puzzle about the Bishops transcripts is that there are >allegedly (I haven't looked at the original) two entries for the same couple >- one in 1795 and one in 1800 - and that's what made me wonder whether there >had been a mistake made. How do you know they're the same couple? Neither forenames nor surnames are uncommon and many families used the same names again and again. An ex-colleague researched a Derbyshire family where every first-born son in every family and every generation was called Richard for about 300 years! I think it's unlikely to have been the same couple remarrying unless their first marriage had been declared invalid. Keith

Here they are, I think, in 1891 in High Street Morris Square, Wolstanton. James is a coal miner. Anne Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County View Census? Dale, James 40 Burley Dam, Cheshire Head Wolstanton Staffordshire Dale, Kate 8 Burslem, Staffordshire Daughter Wolstanton Staffordshire Dale, Mary 37 Roseommoe, Ireland Wife Wolstanton Staffordshire Dale, Mary A 12 Burslem, Staffordshire Daughter Wolstanton Staffordshire Dale, Rose 5 Burslem, Staffordshire Daughter Wolstanton Staffordshire Dale, William 11 Burslem, Staffordshire Son Wolstanton Staffordshire On 15 Jan 2004, at 07:53, Arthur Goss wrote: > Hi all. > I'm researching the family of James Dale. i've found them > in the 1881 census and i'm sure i have them in the 1901. has anyone > come across them in the 1891 census. this is the family in 1881: > > James Dale, 28 yrs b 1853 > Mary Dale, 28 yrs b 1853 ireland > Mary A Dale, daughter 2 yrs b 1879 > william Dale, son 1 yr b 1880 > > Living at 43 Bournes Bank Burslem. Does anyone have a clue what > Pottery would have been in that vicinity i guess the workers would > have walked to work. Or would there have been several. > > Thanks, Arthur Goss, Victoria, Canada > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Andy - Have you lost the message I sent you in November? "I've just come across Edna - but not William - on the 1841 Census, living in Hope Street, Hanley. This is HO107/992, 09, Folio 18. Edna Pankhurst, 25, Yes (i.e. born in this county) Mary do, 7, Yes William do, 5, Yes Henery do, 4, Yes Francis do, 2, Yes Thersa(?) do, 4 months, Yes. You probably have this already, but just in case..." Or is William Horatio Pankhurst a different Pankhurst, coincidentally married to another Edna? Graham -----Original Message----- From: Andy Micklethwaite [mailto:andy@ilocker.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 14 January 2004 10:19 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pots] 1841 census PANKHURST Hi Gang! Does anyone have easy access to the 1841 census? I'm looking for the children of William Horatio Pankhurst who in 1851 was in Hope Street, Shelton, Colour Manufacturer with his wife Edna. TIA Andy. ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 07/01/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 07/01/04

Hi all. I'm researching the family of James Dale. i've found them in the 1881 census and i'm sure i have them in the 1901. has anyone come across them in the 1891 census. this is the family in 1881: James Dale, 28 yrs b 1853 Mary Dale, 28 yrs b 1853 ireland Mary A Dale, daughter 2 yrs b 1879 william Dale, son 1 yr b 1880 Living at 43 Bournes Bank Burslem. Does anyone have a clue what Pottery would have been in that vicinity i guess the workers would have walked to work. Or would there have been several. Thanks, Arthur Goss, Victoria, Canada

Hi Gang! Does anyone have easy access to the 1841 census? I'm looking for the children of William Horatio Pankhurst who in 1851 was in Hope Street, Shelton, Colour Manufacturer with his wife Edna. TIA Andy.

Thanks for the thoughts Keith. Yes, I'd wondered whether she could be simply using another name but it would be nice to find some confirmatory evidence. The puzzle about the Bishops transcripts is that there are allegedly (I haven't looked at the original) two entries for the same couple - one in 1795 and one in 1800 - and that's what made me wonder whether there had been a mistake made. Interestingly, I also found an entry in the burial register for Newcastle-U-L: 1786 April 7 Ann WANEWRIGHT d. of Jno HARRISON. Possibly coincidence, but intriguing nonetheless. Pat >> It is the only marriage of a John WAINWRIGHT in the right area at the right >> time and the occupation matches so I'm fairly confident the groom is the >> right one but the bride's name is Sarah not Ann! There isn't time between >> the marriage and 1st child for him to have been widowed and remarried so I'm >> stumped. > > You can get some real anomalies cropping up in names. I have a distant > relative who was christened using one forename but registered with another and > it was the latter under which he's found in the census, for example. My first > reaction to your problem is that it may well be the same wife. The names Sarah > and Ann are very frequently found together so she could have been married by > her first name - which she possibly never used - and her children were > baptised under the second name by which she was generally known, especially if > she moved parishes in between times. > >> To complicate things further, the IGI lists a marriage of John >> WAINWRIGHT to Sarah HARRISON in Newcastle-U-L in 1795 (from the Bishops >> transcript) although I cannot find a corresponding entry in the parish >> register. > > The two don't always coincide. Usually, the BTs have fewer entries but I have > heard of their having additional entries for some parishes. > > Regards, > Keith >