I am eager to find anyone who can tell me where the Manor Court Rolls are held for Shelton?? Jan

Sorry but my previous E Mail I had a very senior moment and said I was looking for Richard BENNETT. It should have been Stephen BENNETT born approx. 1817 and he married Eliza TAYLOR in Stoke on Trent in 1841. I am hoping to find out whether his parents were Samson BENNETT and Phoebe ne eMATHERS of Burslem. Regards Jean

Can anyone help please. I am trying to determine whether Richard BENNET born Burslem approx 1817 was the son of Sampson BENNETT and Pheobe nee MATHERS> He married and Eliza TAYLOR who was born in France. As anyone come acroos this Richard in thier family? Regards Jean Loughborough

List - Is there anyone who may be familiar with the Paul Prince family that was living in Norton in Moors in the 1880's? I am trying to establish if they may have had a daughter Mary Ellen who may have married John Webb about 1877. Tom _________________________________________________________________ What are the 5 hot job markets for 2004? Click here to find out. http://msn.careerbuilder.com/Custom/MSN/CareerAdvice/WPI_WhereWillWeFindJobsIn2004.htm?siteid=CBMSN3006&sc_extcmp=JS_wi08_dec03_hotmail1

Hi Anne Yes we have been in touch before over the surname of Corbishley. How are you? I thought there may not be a death certificate. Can someone please explain to me how a Will can be probated without a death certificate to prove death. I am not sure how the system works in England. Heather Bray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [Pots] StaffsBMD UPDATE > Hello Heather > ( I think we have been in touch about our Corbishley ancestors once > before). > As another lister said, there would usually be no death certificate. > There is an index for 'deaths at sea and abroad' at the end of the GRO > index, but this depends on the captain reporting it. Were there any > survivors? > There would probably have been a British inquest for the British > subjects. > You might look at this book for help ( publicised in this week's Genuki > newsletter: > A New book from the Society of Genealogists:- > ALL AT SEA? > > At sea finding the birth, death or even marriage of > one of your ancestors? Well perhaps the event did > actually take place at sea. A new book from the > Society of Genealogists will help guide you through > the myth and fact of what records there are to help > you discover the truth. > > TRACING BIRTHS, DEATHS AND MARRIAGES AT SEA > > The book starts by looking at what records were, or > should have been, created recording births, deaths and > marriages, aboard British Merchant ships (including > colonial ones), passenger ships to the UK, and Royal > Navy ships. Pitfalls and special cases such as events > in territorial waters, and those related to army > personnel are also examined. > > Subsequent chapters identify what records have > actually survived, for what period, what they > contain, where they are to be found, and how they are > arranged. These records are to be found mainly at the > National Archives and at the four General Register > Offices covering the British Isles. > > The book also summarises details of the provisions > which a number of colonial administrations - > particularly in Australia - made for the recording of > events that took place at sea. There is a good > section on subsidiary sources, which may throw up > information not otherwise available, be this from > newspapers, gravestones, wills or occupational > records. > > The book concludes with a search strategy and > appendices to aid your research. > > Extent: 180 pages. > Retail price: £11.99 (plus £1.50 postage where > appropriate) > (c) Christopher T and Michael J Watts, 2004 > > Available from: Society of Genealogists Enterprises > Ltd (publishers), 14 > Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Road, London. EC1M > 7BA. Tel: 020 7251 8799. Fax: 020 7250 1800. Email: > sales@sog.org.uk > > This site has copies of some of the memorials to maritime deaths: > http://www.nmm.ac.uk/memorials/ > > Hope this helps, > Best wishes, > Anne > On 27 Jan 2004, at 04:52, Heather and Kevin Bray wrote: > > > A general query - I am trying to help a friend whose relatives died > > when the > > S.S. Lakonia caught fire and sank on 22 December 1963 near Maderia. He > > has > > no idea if their bodies were ever found. > > Can anyone give advice on the following. > > 1. If they were British would they have a British death certificate > > issued > > [it was a Greek liner] which sank off Maderia > > 2. Where could they write to find out details of the inquest - would > > it be > > in Britain or in Greece or both > > 3. Does anyone know if there is a list of the 121 victims and where > > they > > were buried. > > > > Any help or suggestins would be gratefully received. > > Heather Bray > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Heather and Kevin Bray > > 26a Hargest Crescent > > St. Kilda > > Dunedin 9001 > > NEW ZEALAND > > Telephone: +64 03 4554288 > > Fax: 03 4554228 > > Email: kandh.bray@xtra.co.nz > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

At 09:23 27/01/04, Bill wrote: >In areas under UK control - No body, No Death Certificate ! What about the Army in foreign parts - e.g. Egypt in 1880s? There could be a body, the area was under UK control. A soldier may not have died in action, so may not be commemorated, or maybe a wife died of illness, etc. Isn't this game complicated at times!!! BW Andy.

I'm not sure how either, Heather. Good to be in touch again, Best wishes, Anne On 27 Jan 2004, at 18:59, Heather and Kevin Bray wrote: > Hi Anne > Yes we have been in touch before over the surname of Corbishley. How > are > you? > I thought there may not be a death certificate. Can someone please > explain > to me how a Will can be probated without a death certificate to prove > death. > I am not sure how the system works in England. > Heather Bray > > ire >

A general query - I am trying to help a friend whose relatives died when the S.S. Lakonia caught fire and sank on 22 December 1963 near Maderia. He has no idea if their bodies were ever found. Can anyone give advice on the following. 1. If they were British would they have a British death certificate issued [it was a Greek liner] which sank off Maderia 2. Where could they write to find out details of the inquest - would it be in Britain or in Greece or both 3. Does anyone know if there is a list of the 121 victims and where they were buried. Any help or suggestins would be gratefully received. Heather Bray ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather and Kevin Bray 26a Hargest Crescent St. Kilda Dunedin 9001 NEW ZEALAND Telephone: +64 03 4554288 Fax: 03 4554228 Email: kandh.bray@xtra.co.nz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

List – I am interested in finding out any information I can on the children or John and Mary Ellen Webb of the Norton in Moors/Smallthorne area. The Children were: Hannah born 1877 married James Bourne in 1896 Sarah born 1887 married William Kelsall in 1905 John born in 1894 Esther born 1891 married John Boulton in 1911 Mary born 1898 married William Aaron in 1919 All marriages took place at St. Saviours, Smallthorne. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1

Hello Heather ( I think we have been in touch about our Corbishley ancestors once before). As another lister said, there would usually be no death certificate. There is an index for 'deaths at sea and abroad' at the end of the GRO index, but this depends on the captain reporting it. Were there any survivors? There would probably have been a British inquest for the British subjects. You might look at this book for help ( publicised in this week's Genuki newsletter: A New book from the Society of Genealogists:- ALL AT SEA? At sea finding the birth, death or even marriage of one of your ancestors? Well perhaps the event did actually take place at sea. A new book from the Society of Genealogists will help guide you through the myth and fact of what records there are to help you discover the truth. TRACING BIRTHS, DEATHS AND MARRIAGES AT SEA The book starts by looking at what records were, or should have been, created recording births, deaths and marriages, aboard British Merchant ships (including colonial ones), passenger ships to the UK, and Royal Navy ships. Pitfalls and special cases such as events in territorial waters, and those related to army personnel are also examined. Subsequent chapters identify what records have actually survived, for what period, what they contain, where they are to be found, and how they are arranged. These records are to be found mainly at the National Archives and at the four General Register Offices covering the British Isles. The book also summarises details of the provisions which a number of colonial administrations - particularly in Australia - made for the recording of events that took place at sea. There is a good section on subsidiary sources, which may throw up information not otherwise available, be this from newspapers, gravestones, wills or occupational records. The book concludes with a search strategy and appendices to aid your research. Extent: 180 pages. Retail price: £11.99 (plus £1.50 postage where appropriate) (c) Christopher T and Michael J Watts, 2004 Available from: Society of Genealogists Enterprises Ltd (publishers), 14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Road, London. EC1M 7BA. Tel: 020 7251 8799. Fax: 020 7250 1800. Email: sales@sog.org.uk This site has copies of some of the memorials to maritime deaths: http://www.nmm.ac.uk/memorials/ Hope this helps, Best wishes, Anne On 27 Jan 2004, at 04:52, Heather and Kevin Bray wrote: > A general query - I am trying to help a friend whose relatives died > when the > S.S. Lakonia caught fire and sank on 22 December 1963 near Maderia. He > has > no idea if their bodies were ever found. > Can anyone give advice on the following. > 1. If they were British would they have a British death certificate > issued > [it was a Greek liner] which sank off Maderia > 2. Where could they write to find out details of the inquest - would > it be > in Britain or in Greece or both > 3. Does anyone know if there is a list of the 121 victims and where > they > were buried. > > Any help or suggestins would be gratefully received. > Heather Bray > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Heather and Kevin Bray > 26a Hargest Crescent > St. Kilda > Dunedin 9001 > NEW ZEALAND > Telephone: +64 03 4554288 > Fax: 03 4554228 > Email: kandh.bray@xtra.co.nz > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi Heather In areas under UK control - No body, No Death Certificate ! regards Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather and Kevin Bray" <kandh.bray@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [Pots] StaffsBMD UPDATE > A general query - I am trying to help a friend whose relatives died when the > S.S. Lakonia caught fire and sank on 22 December 1963 near Maderia. He has > no idea if their bodies were ever found. > Can anyone give advice on the following. > 1. If they were British would they have a British death certificate issued > [it was a Greek liner] which sank off Maderia > 2. Where could they write to find out details of the inquest - would it be > in Britain or in Greece or both > 3. Does anyone know if there is a list of the 121 victims and where they > were buried. > > Any help or suggestins would be gratefully received. > Heather Bray > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Heather and Kevin Bray > 26a Hargest Crescent > St. Kilda > Dunedin 9001 > NEW ZEALAND > Telephone: +64 03 4554288 > Fax: 03 4554228 > Email: kandh.bray@xtra.co.nz > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi Listers The Staffs BMD has been updated today with the following records .... Marriages - Stoke, St Peter - 1848 to 1873 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. Marriages - Smallthorne, St Saviour - 1859 to 1983 (Church Complete) Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. Marriages - Hope (Hanley), Holy Trinity - 1890 to 1909 Stoke-on-Trent Registration District. regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk (If you live in the North/Mid Staffs area, South Cheshire area or the West Midlands and would like to help Photostating,Transcribing or Co-ordinating then please email me asap please!!) ========================================================================

Hi All Just a note - Under Marriages you can now search for a Spouses FORENAME as well as surname so you can check out those elusive couples from the census's etc where you have the Male name but only the females forename. Although it says Initial - you can put in the FULL name ... regards Bill

Could SKS with access yo the 1851 census please do a look-up for me in Walsall (possibly St Matthew)? Am looking for a George Maxwell Edis born 1842. I believe his parents were John + Ann Edis. Need to know details of parents age + place of birth. Also if there were any other siblings at that time. TIA Rosemary Gray

If anyone has the 1841 or 1851 census for Smallthorne would they please be kind enough to see if there's a William JONES on there . He had a son Samuel who married in 1857 I'm trying to find his wife's name. I would be very grateful. Ann

In a message dated 20/01/2004 11:46:15 GMT Standard Time, Di.bouglas@ntlworld.com writes: > The name I'm particularly interested in is ALCOCK. > > Diana Bouglas Hi Diana. Not sure if the following Trentham Alcock is of any use but here is the info anyway: Regards Earl. Name: Joseph Cope ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1747 Death: 1827 Furnace Bank, Furnace, Staffordshire, England Burial: 16 Sep 1827 St. Mary and All Saints Parish Church, Trentham, Staffordshire, England Occupation: Potter Father: William Cope Mother: Mary Barnes Marriage: 7 Mar 1774 St. Mary and All Saints Parish Church, Trentham, Staffordshire, England ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Elizabeth Alcock ---------------------------------------- Birth: 1753 Children: ---------------------------------------- 1 F: Hannah Cope Birth: 8 Mar 1790 Meer Heath, Furnace, Staffordshire, England Spouse: John Dawson Marriage: 17 Apr 1808 St. Mary and All Saints Parish Church, Trentham, Staffordshire, England ---------------------------------------- 2 M: James Cope Birth: 1788 Meir Heath, Furnace, Staffordshire, England ---------------------------------------- 3 F: Katherine Cope Birth: 11 Nov 1792 Mear Heath, Furnace, Staffordshire, England Notes for Joseph Cope Trentham Parish Register. No. 127 Banns of Marriage Between Joseph Cope and Elizabeth alcock were thrice published in this church Viz on the 13th the 20th and the 27th days of February 1774 The said Joseph Cope of this parish and Elizabeth alcock of this parish were married in this church by Banns this Seventh Day of March in the year one thousand seven Hundred and Seventy four by me Isaac Moreton Curate This marriage was folemnized between us x the mark of Joseph Cope x the mark of Elizabeth alcock In the prefence of Frank Parkes x The mark of William Whitehurst ---------------------------------------- Last Modified: 3 Aug 2003

What luck - I had just been searching Smallthorne, so knew exactly where to look 1851 Piece 2008/fol 96 William age 26 born Shropshire ?Broseley, collier wife Margaret age 23 born Norton, Staffs no other family (I have colliers in my own family moving from Shropshire to this area) William M Margaret Cope 1846 Norton (Staffs BMD site) do you want details of this marriage from the church records?? Jane Newcastle, Staffs UK

This is an interesting new site - lots of old photos etc including a section on Exploring the Potteries. All free as well. http://www.digitalmidlands.org.uk/ep.htm Chris Studman Editor CWN ******************************************************** t 0845 166 1366 f 0845 166 1365 ******************************************************** looking for old friends - <http://www.schoolfriends.co.uk/> www.schoolfriends.co.uk

Dear List, does anyone have a Barzillia RUTTER or Barzillia PARR in their line. Also do you know where the name comes from Regards Ann Simcock

All, I am new to this list, having migrated from the Birmingham list. My family connections to this area are quite limited, all of my family being from Birmingham. My great grandfather, Thomas Williams was certainly in Birmingham in 1841. His whole family have disappeared by the time the 1851 Census is taken. By 1866 they have reappeared in Birmingham. I have no idea why they went to Staffs, because for most of his life he worked in the gun trade. However, in 1864 he married a woman called Ellen TILT, from Bromsgrove (daughter of William and Mary). On his marriage certificate, Shelton Church, he is described as a glass cutter. Thomas was born in 1840, his parents were James (a gunsmith) and Ann, both born around 1816. I have no idea if Thomas had brothers and sisters. Can anyone help, possibly with reference to 1851/1861 Censuses, as to where they (Williams and Tilt families) lived whilst in the Potteries? Any help gratefully received and if I can help with Birmingham info in return I will do so. Thank you, Rob Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> To: <robdwilliams@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: Re: subscribe > *** AUTOMATED MESSAGE FROM A COMPUTER *** > > You have added to the subscriber list of: > > ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > the following mail address: > > robdwilliams@blueyonder.co.uk > > By default, copies of your own submissions will be returned. > > Welcome to the ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES mailing list! You are currently subscribed in > "mail mode", which means that you will receive every posting made > to ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES as a separate e-mail. The directions on how to change to > digest mode are given below. > > 1. How to unsubscribe. Send a message to > > ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains (in the body of the message) the command > > unsubscribe > > and no additional text. > > 2. How to subscribe. Whatever you just did worked, or you'd > not be getting this message. But for future reference (for instance, > if your subscription is cancelled for whatever reason and you > want to resubscribe), just send the command "subscribe" to > ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com. > > 3. How to change to digest mode (several postings are combined and > sent to you together as a single large message). There are two > steps. First, send the command "unsubscribe" to > ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com to discontinue mail mode. Second, > send the command "subscribe" to ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-D-request@rootsweb.com > to start receiving digests. > > 4. How to change to NOMAIL mode. There is no formal NOMAIL mode. > All you have to do is follow the directions above and unsubscribe > when you want the messages to stop, and then when you want them > to start again, simply subscribe again. > > 5. If you'd like to post a message so everyone on the mailing > list receives it, just send it to ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com. It > will then be sent on to everyone in both mail and digest mode. > You don't need to send it explicitly to both. > > 6. To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to > ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > For your verification, a transcript of the original subscription > request is included below. > -- > > >From robdwilliams@blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jan 23 10:13:50 2004 > >Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.16.34]) > > by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0NHDou1027258 > > for <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L-request@lists5.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:13:50 -0700 > >Received: from smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.10]) > > by mail.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0NHDo2w021313 > > for <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com>; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:13:50 -0700 > >Received: from STUDY ([213.48.209.6]) by smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); > > Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:14:15 +0000 > >Message-ID: <000601c3e1d4$4d9b3700$06d130d5@STUDY> > >From: "Rob Williams" <robdwilliams@blueyonder.co.uk> > >To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> > >Subject: subscribe > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:14:03 -0000 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2004 17:14:15.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[54483300:01C3E1D4] > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 > > > > > >subscribe > >