Hello William, Just trawled through www.1837online.com for the years you gave but no joy with the name Lewis Heath. John Eaton Socon ----- Original Message ----- From: "williamjonesjonqms" <williamjonesjonqms@supanet.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: [Pots] Lewis Heath-Mary Conway. >I am searching for any descendants of the Marriage of a Lewis Heath,born in >Wolstanton in c 1837,and a Mary Conway,born in Flint Flintshire,in c >1848.Their Marriage took place in 1865-1868,I don't know where,as the >Marriaage is not featured on Staffordshire BMD. > > Regards > William Russell Jones > Cefn Mawr > Wrexham. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

I am searching for any descendants of the Marriage of a Lewis Heath,born in Wolstanton in c 1837,and a Mary Conway,born in Flint Flintshire,in c 1848.Their Marriage took place in 1865-1868,I don't know where,as the Marriaage is not featured on Staffordshire BMD. Regards William Russell Jones Cefn Mawr Wrexham.

Hi Ruth, Pleased to have been of assistance!! Best wishes with your further research, Keith

Keith, Once again, thank you so much. I had not gotten as far as the Marriage Indexes yet, but these look very very good. I followed the Biddulph sisters and found them in the 1871 census and sure enough the mother is Mary and the father was William Biddulph.....I also found a reference in the Civil registration of Ashton Under Lyme 1859 marriage of Mary Beech and William Biddulph....I think that clears up who she was. I also followed them back to the 1861 and found Mary and William Biddulph....no children yet. I think I had the marriages mixed up...thinking he married the Sarah first, then the Biddulph....when it appears it was the other way round. His first wife Emma dies 1873......he must marry Mary(Beech) Biddulph(widow) in 1874 ( didn't look for her death yet), but he obviously marries Sarah in 1878.....I can't figure out if one of these names is Sarah's maiden name or both are married names.... I took the daughter Jane Pitwell and tried a census search...I found Jane Pitwell age 6 (which would fit the 16 year old Jane of 1881)....anyway would you believe that young Jane is listed as granddaughter......the family is Edward and Jane Hawkins of Buckinghamshire....the grandparents are 72 and 71...this could indicate that Hawkins was Sarah's maiden name......oh the complications. Once again, thank you so much for your assistance.....it has definitely helped me prove that this is the family I am looking for. Sincerely, Ruth, Pittsburgh PA USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hackney<mailto:keith.hackney@xtra.co.nz> To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [Pots] Brindley Ford and Biddulph - Onions Surname Hi Ruth, The StaffsBMD site also has the following marriages: It looks like Mary Biddulph was formerly Mary Beech, or vice versa: Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1874 SurnameForename(s)SurnameForename(s)Church / Register OfficeRegisters AtReference ONIONS *Edwin/BEECHMary/Biddulph, St LawrenceStaffordshire Moorlands4C/2/400 ONIONS *Edwin/BIDDULPHMary/Biddulph, St LawrenceStaffordshire Moorlands4C/2/400 Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1863 SurnameForename(s)SurnameForename(s)Church / Register OfficeRegisters AtReference BIDDULPHJoseph/BROWNMary/Stoke, St PeterStoke-On-Trent31/14/217 A Joseph Biddulph died in 1876 at Audley, so maybe he and Mary were "separated" as this was 2 years after Mary married. Assuming they are the same people! There were also: Sarah Allsop m Joseph Pitwell, Newcastle St James, 1875 Sarah Pitwell m Thos H Burton Christchurch, Tunstall, 1880 These may or may not be connected. Also, Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1878 SurnameForename(s)SurnameForename(s)Church / Register OfficeRegisters AtReference ONIONS *Edwin/KEAYSarah/Newchapel, St JamesNewcastle-Under-LymeC24/1/408 ONIONS *Edwin/HAWKINSSarah/Newchapel, St JamesNewcastle-Under-LymeC24/1/408 This could be his 1881 census wife! All conjecture, food for thought! Best wishes, Keith ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

Does anyone know where the Rose and Crown is/was at Biddulph Moor? Are there any photos online? Sue Parker ======================================== -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

A lady has contacted me re 2 memorial cards she is selling on E-Bay 1 is a child of James & Emma Hallam of Longton - I do know that Emma's maiden name was Bridgwood. The other is Stoke on Trent - Elizabeth Lightwood died 30th September 1904 aged 48 years. If anyone is interested, let me know, and I will contact her.

Hello Sue Pub at the bottom of the page........ http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~porter16/bidd_reunited/piccompare.htm Rest the mouse pointer over the picture, and you will see past and present pictures HTH Cameron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Parker" <member@danesway29.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: [Pots] Re: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-D Digest V05 #82 > Does anyone know where the Rose and Crown is/was at Biddulph Moor? Are > there any photos online? > Sue Parker > ======================================== > > -- > > Whatever you Wanadoo: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ > > This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi Ruth, The StaffsBMD site also has the following marriages: It looks like Mary Biddulph was formerly Mary Beech, or vice versa: Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1874 SurnameForename(s)SurnameForename(s)Church / Register OfficeRegisters AtReference ONIONS *Edwin/BEECHMary/Biddulph, St LawrenceStaffordshire Moorlands4C/2/400 ONIONS *Edwin/BIDDULPHMary/Biddulph, St LawrenceStaffordshire Moorlands4C/2/400 Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1863 SurnameForename(s)SurnameForename(s)Church / Register OfficeRegisters AtReference BIDDULPHJoseph/BROWNMary/Stoke, St PeterStoke-On-Trent31/14/217 A Joseph Biddulph died in 1876 at Audley, so maybe he and Mary were "separated" as this was 2 years after Mary married. Assuming they are the same people! There were also: Sarah Allsop m Joseph Pitwell, Newcastle St James, 1875 Sarah Pitwell m Thos H Burton Christchurch, Tunstall, 1880 These may or may not be connected. Also, Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1878 SurnameForename(s)SurnameForename(s)Church / Register OfficeRegisters AtReference ONIONS *Edwin/KEAYSarah/Newchapel, St JamesNewcastle-Under-LymeC24/1/408 ONIONS *Edwin/HAWKINSSarah/Newchapel, St JamesNewcastle-Under-LymeC24/1/408 This could be his 1881 census wife! All conjecture, food for thought! Best wishes, Keith

Hello, I recently noticed that there seems to be a marriage index for STAFFORDSHIRE! Would this include pre 1837 years? Thanks John Eaton socon

Hi Keith, The 1881 - reference is RG11 3535 page 10 Biddulph St Lawrence #41 on the page....Onions...Blk Bull Railway Hotel. the daughters are 17,15,14.. all very close in age to the other two. In 1871 ( I think the same family....RG10 2845 page 32 family # 154 he is listed as Edwin Onions...wife Emma, son Samuel ( my direct connection), daughter Mary. In 1891 I found them on RG12 2158 Folio 43, page 23 family #132 Edwin is listed as Beerhouse keeper...he is a widower...my Samuel is now back and he and his family are living with Edwin. What is so confusing about this...is I'm not sure I have the right family in 1881, but everything else fits. In the BMD register I found and Emma Onions who died in 1873 and a Sarah Onions who dies 1891. So it could be possible. Thanks for all your help. ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hackney<mailto:keith.hackney@xtra.co.nz> To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Brindley Ford and Biddulph - Onions Surname Hi again Ruth, Jane Pitwell is definitely Sarah's daughter as they came from the same place. Mary could be her daughter too, how do the ages and birthplaces of the Biddulph girls fit in with the other two?? I couldn't find them on the 1881, do you have a reference? Keith ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

Debbie, Is this them - Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County Smith, George abt 1888 Burslem, Staffordshire Son Birkenhead Cheshire Smith, Harry abt 1886 Burslem, Staffordshire Son Birkenhead Cheshire Smith, Jane abt 1860 Burslem, Staffordshire Wife Birkenhead Cheshire Smith, John abt 1890 Burslem, Staffordshire Son Birkenhead Cheshire Smith, William J abt 1858 Hanley, Staffordshire Head Birkenhead Cheshire Smith, Charles abt 1882 Burslem, Staffordshire Son Birkenhead Cheshire Smith, Eliza abt 1884 Burslem, Staffordshire Daughter Birkenhead Cheshire Civil parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne County: Cheshire Street address: 353 Price Street Occupation: butcher Source information: RG12/2886 Registration district: Birkenhead Sub registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Folio: 28 Page: 8 HTH Anne On 15 May 2005, at 17:03, Debbie Hitchins wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to this list and wondered if anyone had access to the 1891 > census and would be prepared to do a look-up for me? > > I'm trying to find William and Jane Smith. In 1881 they were 24 and 21 > years respectively and lived at 51, Newcastle St, Burslem. William was > a butcher and was born in Hanley, Jane was born in Burslem. I cannot > find them on the 1901 and thought the 1891 might give me a clue! Jane > was the sister of my great grandmother and it was only last week that > I found out Jane's married name, so I'm keen to trace her. (Pity she > married a Smith!) > > Any help very gratefully received, thanks in advance. > > Debbie > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi, I'm new to this list and wondered if anyone had access to the 1891 census and would be prepared to do a look-up for me? I'm trying to find William and Jane Smith. In 1881 they were 24 and 21 years respectively and lived at 51, Newcastle St, Burslem. William was a butcher and was born in Hanley, Jane was born in Burslem. I cannot find them on the 1901 and thought the 1891 might give me a clue! Jane was the sister of my great grandmother and it was only last week that I found out Jane's married name, so I'm keen to trace her. (Pity she married a Smith!) Any help very gratefully received, thanks in advance. Debbie

Hi again Ruth, Jane Pitwell is definitely Sarah's daughter as they came from the same place. Mary could be her daughter too, how do the ages and birthplaces of the Biddulph girls fit in with the other two?? I couldn't find them on the 1881, do you have a reference? Keith

Brings tears to your eyes doesn't it!! Keith

Amy, Might this be your Onions family?? Looks like a second marriage for his wife! Keith Dwelling: Post Office St Brindley Ford Beer House Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2709 Folio 64 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Edward ONIONS M 39 M West Bromwich, Stafford, England Rel: Head Sarah ONIONS M 52 F Cuddington, Buckingham, England Rel: Wife Occ: Beer Seller Mary ONIONS 15 F Grits Green, Stafford, England Rel: Daur Jane PITWELL 16 F Cuddington, Buckingham, England Rel: Daur Occ: Domestic

Most definitely.....guess you've been there too! ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hackney<mailto:keith.hackney@xtra.co.nz> To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Brindley Ford and Biddulph - Onions Surname Brings tears to your eyes doesn't it!! Keith ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

Thanks Keith for the quick response......This sure looks good...what does not make sense to me is the other step-daughters named Biddulph. I followed one of the daughters to the 1871 census and her father was a William Biddulph and the wife was Mary.......all from Biddulph.............now he is married to a Sarah..and it does seem that Jane Pitwell must be yet another step-daughter. I wonder if he married once again for the 3rd time to this Sarah. I have tracked this Edwin and his first wife was Emma???...they had a child Edwin and Mary...so this Mary listed here is definitely his daughter. I note that the census acutally lists the wife as the Beer Seller....I wonder could she have actually owned the Hotel and have been the step-parent to the Biddulph girls. Oh....this is so confusing..... Thanks for this info......much appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hackney<mailto:keith.hackney@xtra.co.nz> To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Brindley Ford and Biddulph - Onions Surname Amy, Might this be your Onions family?? Looks like a second marriage for his wife! Keith Dwelling: Post Office St Brindley Ford Beer House Census Place: Wolstanton, Stafford, England Source: FHL Film 1341649 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2709 Folio 64 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Edward ONIONS M 39 M West Bromwich, Stafford, England Rel: Head Sarah ONIONS M 52 F Cuddington, Buckingham, England Rel: Wife Occ: Beer Seller Mary ONIONS 15 F Grits Green, Stafford, England Rel: Daur Jane PITWELL 16 F Cuddington, Buckingham, England Rel: Daur Occ: Domestic ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

I have recently found out that my ancestor...named Onions was the owner or proprietor of .....The Black Bull Railway Hotel in Biddulph and also apparently owned or operated the Brindley Ford Beer House. Can any tell me anything about these places? Or where might I find out something about them? The 1881 census showing the Blk Bull Hotel list "Onions" as the head...but a note which says....head of family sleeping at his other house in Brindley Ford"...listed on the census are 3 stepdaughters whose last name is "Biddulph" I would love to be able to put the correct first name to this Onions ancestor and find out about his Biddulph step children etc. Any suggetions or help would be appreciated. Ruth USA

Hi Barbara, I too have Nixons and variations in my tree, in fact two lines which came together and married in Rushton Spencer in about 1707. One line was from Macclesfield, (1660), the other from Rushton Spencer, (1500). They ended up in Tunstall and Chell. Regards, Keith

He made Marble look alikes in pottery. This didn’t just mean "busts" - it could have been anything in imitation marble. Children didn’t have marbles as such - and they wouldn’t have been made of glass in the potteries - in the 1950s kilnmen used to take waste clay and roll it into balls and put them in the kilns to make "alleys" for their kids. I had loads of these and only when we became "rich" did I get "glass alleys". Steve -----Original Message----- From: Garry and Veronica [mailto:gtvm@netconnect.com.au] Sent: 14 May 2005 01:49 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Pots] Directory related question Would anyone know what was meant by the description "marble maker" when listed as the products against a potter in the 1850s and 1860s trade directories of the Potteries please? It didn't mean just "marbles" as in toys did it? Thanks in anticipation, Veronica ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005