Hello I am new to the list so bear with me. In a 1937 cutting from The Sentinel, James BENTLEY b.1840 (yes, he really was 97) described his birthplace as being in Hartshill, near "the soapworks". I have searched the 1841 census and maps of the time but cannot find such a facility. James's 1841 entry puts him roughly half way up Hartshill Road. His birth cert shows him as being born in Hartshill, and his mother is described as "an inmate". I would be grateful for any ideas as to what and where this soapworks might have been. Thanks. Kevin Hall

John Simpson head of household age 45 born Burslem Charlotte wife age 45 born hsnley Sarah A. age 23 born hanley John age 17 born Hanley Tamar age 14 born Hanley Arthur age 7 born Hanley William H. age 3 born Hanley Henry E. age 2 born Hanley In 1871 they resided at 25 George Street in Hanley RG10 / 2863 page 34 John Wase head of household age 48 Esther wife age 48 George son age 27 Mary ??? daughter age 26 Caroline daughter age 21 Harriet daughter age 18 Thomas son age 11 in the 1851 Census they resided at 8 Marsh Street, Hanley H0107-205 folio 234 page 3 Thomas James Liversage head of household age 38 born Burslem Ann Jane wife 33 born Hanley Margaret daughter 13 born Hanley in 1901 they were at 85 Belmont Avennue, Blackpool Since all were born in Staffs, I'm hoping someone can find them there before 1901.

Hello Tim You will guess from my surname just who I am researching! I have a WILLIAM & MARY RICHARDSON *turning up* or so it seems, in LOWER MITTON (STOURPORT) WORCESTERSHIRE around 1803/4. They had two boys and three girls 1804-1012. JOHN. WILLIAM. ELISABETH. MARY. ANN. I have tracked them all from marriage onward, with the exception of ELIZABETH. The IGI ( although NOT conclusive, has her marriage I'm sure, to a RICHARD NUTHER! This name has been untraceable through the various census, so I am sure it has been wrongly transcribed. I have tried various possibilities to no avail. The parents disappear after the birth of ANN. I wondere if they went back to thier place of origin; if they indeed came from somewhere else. Perhaps they did NOT marry! Hence my open reply to you, and the site. Regards John Richardson Eaton Socon Cambs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:38 AM Subject: [Pots] Reposting Interests >I am researching the following names - > > BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) > BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) > BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) > CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland > DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) > GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) > GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) > GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) > HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) > JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) > JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) > JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East > Riding), > North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) > JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) > LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) > MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) > MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall > (Cheshire), Snelson (Cheshire) > MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) > NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) > PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) > RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) > TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) > THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) > WILLIAMSON : Cheshire > WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) > WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) > > I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. > > Thanks > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire), Snelson (Cheshire) MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

Would SKS please do a look up for John Tomlinson and family in Whitmore, Staffordshire on the 1841 Census. TIA Faith Ann Dressler South Florida

Dear Eileen Sorry for the delay in replying, lifes been a little busy lately! Thanks for the help with Georges place of birth. I would love to have a photo of York Street as members of the various families I am researching seemed to live there at some time or other. In the 1851 census Georges daughter Ann Jane is living next door with her husband William Jervis and family (these are my grandfathers parents). Williams father Meschach was in York Street when he died in 1844. Although the Jervis family moved to Spring Road, 2 of their daughters, Elizabeth and Eliza both moved back after their marriages. In addition several members of my grandmothers family were also in York Street at various times - my lot never moved very far! Regards Barbara Researching, Jervis, Lucas, Cotton and Dimmocks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen.Hallam" <eileen.hallam@tesco.net> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Help with 'where born' > Dear Barbara > > I have a photo of York St from the Internet, if you are interested. I think > my Hallams were on the other side of the road. I think they were at what > wld have become number 37, but it was gone by 1881. I have conflicting > information on the subject. Maybe all the houses were on 1 side of the > road. The photo only shows 1 side, but there was a pavement on the other > side. > > A couple of notes on York St (later Ebor St): > From Under The Road - "The area between Lockett's Lane and Ebor St remained > undeveloped throughout the nineteenth century, apart from a row of terraced > houses on the west side of Ebor St." In this undeveloped area, was a late > 18th c & 19th c shardruck.. Also, late 17th c tobacco bowls found there. > > From George Hallam's deeds: > > "All that piece of Ground containing by estimation One hundred and seventy > one square yards or thereabouts formerly marked or staked out from a piece > of Ground of one Benjamin Jaquiss situate and being at a place called Meir > Heath near Longton heretofore called Lane End aforesaid and within the Manor > of Longton in the parish of Stoke upon Trent in the County of Stafford and > which said plot of land is more particularly delineated or described in a > sketch or plan thereof endorsed on an Indenture dated the twenty seventh day > of April One thousand eight hundred and twenty five And also that Messuage > dwelling house or tenement standing on part of the said plot of Land > formerly in the occupation of Richard Hallam afterwards of Thomas Wallbank > then of Hannah Austin and now of James Burrows And also all that other > Messuage or Dwelling house erected by the said Mortgagor upon other part of > the said plot of Land as the same was formerly in the occupation of Thomas > Wallbank and now or lately of William Shaw > > And also all that plot of land situate and being on the South East side of a > certain Street called York Street in Longton aforesaid leading out of the > road formerly called Furnace Road but now called Normacott Road containing > by admeasurement forty four square yards or thereabouts being Eleven yards > or thereabouts in depth from York Street aforesaid and bounded on the North > West by the said Street on the South East by land formerly belonging to John > Lockett and the Devisees of Thomas Lockett deceased on the South West by the > before described plot of Land and on the North East by hereditaments > formerly of Edwin Walker but now of Messieurs Marfleet Winkle and Roberts > except and subject to such exceptions and reservations as are mentioned in > the Conveyance of the said premises to the Mortgagor" > > BTW I'd forgotten that I bought copies of York St 1851 from SRO - George > Lucas's place of birth has a 'd' in it, maybe 4th letter. Look at how > Staffordshire and treader are written, and you will see what I mean. I > think it ends with 'h'. > > > All the best > > Eileen > >

Could anyone run a check for me on William CHEADLE in the 1851 census. According to his record in 1861 he was born about 1809 in Uttoxeter. He may be married to Jane (although she possibly died in 1847) and may have his son, William, with him - born 1844. Many thanks in anticipation of any help. Regards. Ian Phillpott My family website - http://hometown.aol.co.uk/phillpottdebian/index.htm

Hi, I am new to this list. I have joined not because I am researching family history in this area but because I am interested in the districts pottery history. I collect Hollinshead & Kirkham ceramics. Does anyone have family history on R. GROCOTT who was a ceramic artist for this firm in the 1930's. I love his work and would like to know more about him. Many thanks, Shirley Barugh.

List – Is there anyone who will be going to either the Stoke on Trent City Archives in Hanley or the Staffordshire Record Office in Stafford that would be willing to check for a christening record? I would like to determine if Urinah Webb was christened at Newchapel Wesleyan Methodist Church (The reference for these records is D5481/2/5/1). Urinah was born in the Sept qtr of 1860 so I would expect that the christening would have taken place in the second half of 1860. Thanks, Tom Wood Pittsburgh, PA USA

Hello list, I noticed from Hugh Wallis's batch No site, that there seemed to be an enclave of RICHARDSONS in ABBOTS BROMLEY. In particular that two WILLIAM RICHARDSONS were born there in the mid to late 1700s, but that they do not seem to have married there! Not unusual I know. I wondered if anyone out there on this site is researching that name & area? Also were there ant IRON trades operating in the immediate area? This is a long shot I know, but the slightest *snippet* may help. Kind regards John Eaton Socon On the River Great Ouse

Dear Barbara I have a photo of York St from the Internet, if you are interested. I think my Hallams were on the other side of the road. I think they were at what wld have become number 37, but it was gone by 1881. I have conflicting information on the subject. Maybe all the houses were on 1 side of the road. The photo only shows 1 side, but there was a pavement on the other side. A couple of notes on York St (later Ebor St): From Under The Road - "The area between Lockett's Lane and Ebor St remained undeveloped throughout the nineteenth century, apart from a row of terraced houses on the west side of Ebor St." In this undeveloped area, was a late 18th c & 19th c shardruck.. Also, late 17th c tobacco bowls found there. From George Hallam's deeds: "All that piece of Ground containing by estimation One hundred and seventy one square yards or thereabouts formerly marked or staked out from a piece of Ground of one Benjamin Jaquiss situate and being at a place called Meir Heath near Longton heretofore called Lane End aforesaid and within the Manor of Longton in the parish of Stoke upon Trent in the County of Stafford and which said plot of land is more particularly delineated or described in a sketch or plan thereof endorsed on an Indenture dated the twenty seventh day of April One thousand eight hundred and twenty five And also that Messuage dwelling house or tenement standing on part of the said plot of Land formerly in the occupation of Richard Hallam afterwards of Thomas Wallbank then of Hannah Austin and now of James Burrows And also all that other Messuage or Dwelling house erected by the said Mortgagor upon other part of the said plot of Land as the same was formerly in the occupation of Thomas Wallbank and now or lately of William Shaw And also all that plot of land situate and being on the South East side of a certain Street called York Street in Longton aforesaid leading out of the road formerly called Furnace Road but now called Normacott Road containing by admeasurement forty four square yards or thereabouts being Eleven yards or thereabouts in depth from York Street aforesaid and bounded on the North West by the said Street on the South East by land formerly belonging to John Lockett and the Devisees of Thomas Lockett deceased on the South West by the before described plot of Land and on the North East by hereditaments formerly of Edwin Walker but now of Messieurs Marfleet Winkle and Roberts except and subject to such exceptions and reservations as are mentioned in the Conveyance of the said premises to the Mortgagor" BTW I'd forgotten that I bought copies of York St 1851 from SRO - George Lucas's place of birth has a 'd' in it, maybe 4th letter. Look at how Staffordshire and treader are written, and you will see what I mean. I think it ends with 'h'. All the best Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara J Gray" <barbara@jgray.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Pots] Help with 'where born' > Dear Eileen > Thank you for this, I didn't have the 1841 entry. I have several families > living in York Street at different times, perhaps they were your relatives > tenants! > Regards > Barbara > > Researching > Jervis, Lucas, Cotton and Dimmocks in the Fenton Longton/Lane End areas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eileen.Hallam" <eileen.hallam@tesco.net> > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:41 AM > Subject: Fw: [Pots] Help with 'where born' > > >> > Hi Barbara >> > >> > I can't help with the deciphering at the moment, but there were Lucases > on >> > York St in 1861 & 1841 as well. I've done some work in the past on >> > York >> > St, as my Hallams owned land there, and I have the name Lucas there for >> > 1841, 1851 & 61. >> > >> > In case you don't have 1841, this is the full entry: >> > 1841 HO107 991/8/35 >> > >> > York Street >> > >> > Hannah MORETON.60............no >> > >> > George LUCAS...34.potter.....y >> > >> > Ann............32.potter.....y >> > >> > Jane...........11.potter ap..y >> > >> > Eliza...........7............y >> > >> > Hannah..........5............y >> > >> > George..........2............y >> > >> > Aaron..........16.potter ap..y >> > >> > >> > Sorry, this is the only year where I have the actual details. >> > >> > Best regards >> > >> > Eileen >> > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Dear Eileen Thank you for this, I didn't have the 1841 entry. I have several families living in York Street at different times, perhaps they were your relatives tenants! Regards Barbara Researching Jervis, Lucas, Cotton and Dimmocks in the Fenton Longton/Lane End areas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen.Hallam" <eileen.hallam@tesco.net> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: Fw: [Pots] Help with 'where born' > > Hi Barbara > > > > I can't help with the deciphering at the moment, but there were Lucases on > > York St in 1861 & 1841 as well. I've done some work in the past on York > > St, as my Hallams owned land there, and I have the name Lucas there for > > 1841, 1851 & 61. > > > > In case you don't have 1841, this is the full entry: > > 1841 HO107 991/8/35 > > > > York Street > > > > Hannah MORETON.60............no > > > > George LUCAS...34.potter.....y > > > > Ann............32.potter.....y > > > > Jane...........11.potter ap..y > > > > Eliza...........7............y > > > > Hannah..........5............y > > > > George..........2............y > > > > Aaron..........16.potter ap..y > > > > > > Sorry, this is the only year where I have the actual details. > > > > Best regards > > > > Eileen > >

Pls see John Aysnsley on 1901 RG13/2575 Folio 73. Occupation - China Manufacturer. "Earth" scrawled across this. (I picked his name at random, as I knew his occupation.) I was not for 1 moment suggesting that all pottery is earthenware, but that this seems to be some sort of classification, maybe for statistical purposes. It possibly harks back to the old term "earth potter". It wld explain how the 2nd person knew that it was "Earth", as there was no alternative. I must confess that I have not noticed the word "china" used instead in this context, but maybe some enumerators got it wrong. Best regards Eileen > > From: "j.ankers1" <j.ankers1@ntlworld.com> > Date: 2005/07/17 Sun PM 09:42:12 GMT > To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? > > Sorry Eileen, > > I agree with Steve. I have Potters in my family and in some cases "China" > is handwritten alongside the occupation, in a different hand, probably at a > later date. I have noticed this on several census returns. I was pleased to > be given this information, as it helped to distinguish between family > members, especially when you get two Henry's or two George's, for example. > Regards, Jean. > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Steve Stutcinskas > Date: 07/17/05 16:21:34 > To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? > > Sorry but I Must disagree with Eileen - All pottery was not classed as > earthen ware. > If as she believes those words were put on the census after the census > was written, and by a different bloke - then how did he know which to > put EARTH against and which not ? > > I have seen a street full of potters and only some have the word EARTH > against their occupation. Why ? If the enumerator was classing all > pottery makers as earthen then why would he pick on one and not the > other. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eileen.Hallam [mailto:eileen.hallam@tesco.net] > Sent: 17 July 2005 12:56 > To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? > > I think all pottery work was classed as "Earth", including bone china. > It > was just a classification added later by someone who checked the census > returns. It was normally in a different handwriting. > > Best regards > > Eileen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Leigh" <jack.leigh@shaw.ca> > To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:50 PM > Subject: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? > > > > > > Regarding the fact that: > > > > "... the enumerator has added the word "Earth" in the vicinity. ..." > > > > this means that she was a lathe treader for an earthenware works. > > > > .......... Jack > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.16/50 - Release Date: > 15/07/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.16/50 - Release Date: > 15/07/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

Hello, Pauline, You have a beautiful Mormon temple near Preston now, It was the site of over a thousand LDS baptisms in the 1800s, but many of them migrated to the US as soon as they could . Perhaps some of them helped to complete the first Mormon temple in the world, which was actually in Utah. S.Stubbs ----- Original Message ----- From: <Phodkinson@aol.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? > In Lancashire in the mid 1800, it was more common to be Non-conformist than > to be RC or CofE. The first Mormon Temple in the world was at Preston in > Lancashire. Most of my ancestors from Lancashire were Methodists or Quakers. > The ones that came north from the midlands were C of E. > Best wishes, > Pauline from Lancashire > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Sorry Eileen, I agree with Steve. I have Potters in my family and in some cases "China" is handwritten alongside the occupation, in a different hand, probably at a later date. I have noticed this on several census returns. I was pleased to be given this information, as it helped to distinguish between family members, especially when you get two Henry's or two George's, for example. Regards, Jean. -------Original Message------- From: Steve Stutcinskas Date: 07/17/05 16:21:34 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? Sorry but I Must disagree with Eileen - All pottery was not classed as earthen ware. If as she believes those words were put on the census after the census was written, and by a different bloke - then how did he know which to put EARTH against and which not ? I have seen a street full of potters and only some have the word EARTH against their occupation. Why ? If the enumerator was classing all pottery makers as earthen then why would he pick on one and not the other. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Eileen.Hallam [mailto:eileen.hallam@tesco.net] Sent: 17 July 2005 12:56 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? I think all pottery work was classed as "Earth", including bone china. It was just a classification added later by someone who checked the census returns. It was normally in a different handwriting. Best regards Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Leigh" <jack.leigh@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? > > Regarding the fact that: > > "... the enumerator has added the word "Earth" in the vicinity. ..." > > this means that she was a lathe treader for an earthenware works. > > .......... Jack > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.16/50 - Release Date: 15/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.16/50 - Release Date: 15/07/2005 ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

Sorry but I Must disagree with Eileen - All pottery was not classed as earthen ware. If as she believes those words were put on the census after the census was written, and by a different bloke - then how did he know which to put EARTH against and which not ? I have seen a street full of potters and only some have the word EARTH against their occupation. Why ? If the enumerator was classing all pottery makers as earthen then why would he pick on one and not the other. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Eileen.Hallam [mailto:eileen.hallam@tesco.net] Sent: 17 July 2005 12:56 To: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? I think all pottery work was classed as "Earth", including bone china. It was just a classification added later by someone who checked the census returns. It was normally in a different handwriting. Best regards Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Leigh" <jack.leigh@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? > > Regarding the fact that: > > "... the enumerator has added the word "Earth" in the vicinity. ..." > > this means that she was a lathe treader for an earthenware works. > > .......... Jack > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.16/50 - Release Date: 15/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.16/50 - Release Date: 15/07/2005

I think all pottery work was classed as "Earth", including bone china. It was just a classification added later by someone who checked the census returns. It was normally in a different handwriting. Best regards Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Leigh" <jack.leigh@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? > > Regarding the fact that: > > "... the enumerator has added the word "Earth" in the vicinity. ..." > > this means that she was a lathe treader for an earthenware works. > > .......... Jack > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Regarding the fact that: "... the enumerator has added the word "Earth" in the vicinity. ..." this means that she was a lathe treader for an earthenware works. .......... Jack

Thanks Eileen, Nice to know! Anne On 15 Jul 2005, at 18:34, Eileen.Hallam wrote: > There were a lot of lathe treaders in the Potteries, mainly women - a > lathe was used to smooth rough bits off items produced on the > thrower's wheel. A quote from "Cup & Saucer Land": > "An old method of turning the lathe - still in vogue (in 1908) - is by > means of a spring board axed on the ground and connected with the > lathe. A woman stands on this board and keeps it in motion by a > constant upward and downward movement of the body, which sets and > keeps the lathe in motion. This woman is known as a "Lathe-treader". > > "Cup & Saucer Land" was a re-print by the Staffs & SOT Archive Service > of a book originally published in 1908, written by Rev Malcolm Graham, > Vicar of Burslem. > > Best regards > > Eileen > > -I thought after 50 years of Genealogy I'd seen most things but today > I had >>> two novelties presented to me by the 1891 census of >>> Newcastle-under-Lyme >>> The writing is by no means immaculate but the boy is named MESHEC >>> and the >>> daughter of 18 years is a "lath treader" The rest of the family >>> work at an >>> iron works, presumably Shelton bar and have perfectly ordinary >>> English names. >>> Fed into the 1901 census the search turned up almost 200 !! Meshachs >>> but I had >>> not seen it before. >>> What on earth does a lath treader do? are these bits of wood used >>> wet to >>> make them pliable?

I have several Meshachs (spelt every which way) in my Jervis family who were in Longton/Lane End. The first was born c1784 and several of his descendants were given the name, It probably wasn't very popular with them, but it does make researching easier! Regards Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <DrGeneal@aol.com> To: <ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: [Pots] Meshec and the lath treader - any Ideas? > I thought after 50 years of Genealogy I'd seen most things but today I had > two novelties presented to me by the 1891 census of Newcastle-under-Lyme > The writing is by no means immaculate but the boy is named MESHEC and the > daughter of 18 years is a "lath treader" The rest of the family work at an > iron works, presumably Shelton bar and have perfectly ordinary English names. > Fed into the 1901 census the search turned up almost 200 !! Meshachs but I had > not seen it before. > What on earth does a lath treader do? are these bits of wood used wet to > make them pliable? > > the enumerator has added the word "Earth" in the vicinity.A possibility is > that she operated the treadle of a lathe, but that seems a peculiar job for a > girl. Anybody any ideas (particularly a plasterer?) DrGeneal > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > >