Hi List, Having obtained "permission" from Admin - cheers Helen! - there is a way onto the Census info on the Rutland site :) Sometimes a right click as opposed to a left click works wonders even if you do find out through hitting the wrong part of the mouse. The following should get you in:- Go in through www.rutlandfree.org then left click on the Research Databases then left click on Research Databases for Adults and finally RIGHT click and open in new window on Heritage Quest Online and the Search Census and Search Books screen comes up. Long and drawn out I know - but it's working at the moment. I don't know if we are supposed to go in this way but ............. Good Luck Regards Louise

Hi Chris Have searched the 1881 census for a John Naylor born Yorkshire this is all I found, but I don't think its the right one Dwelling: Ryecroft Census Place: Norton In Moors, Stafford, England Source: FHL Film 1341656 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2737 Folio 97 Page 45 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John NAYLOR M 32 M Sheffield, York, England Rel: Head Occ: Store Keeper (...) Ann E. NAYLOR M 32 F Dukinfild, York, England Rel: Wife John H. NAYLOR 3 M Hyde, York, England Rel: Son Mary Ann NAYLOR 1 F Norton, Stafford, England Rel: Dau linda

Hi Chris What part of Yorkshire - I have a line who were Potters and went to Ferry Fryston Nr FerryBridge / Pontyfract regards Bill ======================================================================== * This Mail was sent WITHOUT attachments* Bill Harrison's Genealogy Pages can be found online at http://www.bigfoot.com/~bill_harrison OR at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/billharrison if that doesn't work ! Also BMSGH Webmaster - URL = http://www.bmsgh.org The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk (If you would like to help Photostating,Transcribing or Co-ordinating then please email me asap please!!) ======================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: [Pots] Pottery workers > Hi > > This is my first posting to this list. > > I have a family of Naylor's originally from Yorkshire who went to Staffordshire and I understand one of them worked in the Wedgewood Pottery as the head thrower. > > His name was John Henry Naylor b 1859 died 1932, he married a Hannah Morley and they had 3 children Harold, Bella and Mary b 1880. > I believe that Harold was Lord Mayor of Hanley at one stage. > > Does anyone know where I could find out more about John Henry? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > TIA > > Chris Page Perth West Oz > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/2003

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Hi all Looking over some old e-mails I found reference to settlement examinations / certificates and removal papers. Can you explain what these are? Are they to do with the poor laws and people moving from one parish to another? If so would my ancestors have had to have them to "emmigrate" from Stoke, Salop to Tunstall, SOT circa 1840? looking forward to being educated Janet Howell www.risinsun.co.uk Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0 - Release Date: 21/11/02

My thanks to those who replied to my query regarding the above. Gordon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 08/04/03

To List Members, Many thanks to all List Members who responded to my search for William Osborne b 1844, due to the advise given I now have some idea on how to try and find him . Kindest regards John

imfound eli bentley on the 1851(i think)do you need any info JANET

Hi Everyone, I am trying to find the marriage of William Coxon and Eliza Bentley, their first child was born September 1857. I believe Eliza was previously married to Eli Bentley and quite possibly Eliza's maiden name was Lees/Leese. Despite trawling through the St. Catherine's marriage index from 1850 to 1868, the IGI, free BMD etc etc I have failed to find them. Can anyone connect with this family or offer any advice on where I should look next? Regards Gordon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 08/04/03

Hello, Is anyone researching the LEIGHS family of Endon STS? I am trying to find a lead back from the family below from the 1851 and 1861 censuses for Guildford, Surrey. I know that Henry LEIGHS had a china and glass shop in Guildford in 1839 because it is in Pigots. I am presuming that his family must have been of some standing if he was financially able to employ others, but his marriage, baptism and parentage eludes me. Any help gratefully received. 1851 Index 1594/ff488r-v Guildford St Marys Henry Leighs 42(STS...) Emma Leighs 33(East Clandon) Alfred Leighs 10 (Guildford) Alexander E Leighs 9 (Guildford) Emma Leighs 4 (Guildford) Oliver Leighs 1 (Guildford) Guildford 1861 census, RG9/428 (folio 5 - 144 ) Parish: St. Mary Municipal Borough: Guildford Parliamentary Borough: Guildford No of Entry in schedule: 14 Road, Street, &c., and No or Name of House: 107 High Street Name : Henry Leighs Relation to head of family: Head Condition as to marriage: Married Age: 52 Rank, Profession or Occupation: China and Glass dealer (master employ 10 men) Where born: Staffordshire, Endon Hill Name: Emma Leighs Relation to head of family: Wife Condition as to marriage: Married Age: 43 Where born: Surrey, Clandon Name: Alfred. L. Stanley Leighs Relation to head of family: Son Condition as to marriage: Unmarried Age: 21 Rank, Profession or Occupation: Assistant Grocer agent Where born: Surrey, Guildford Name: Alex Endon Leighs Relation to head of family: Son Condition as to marriage: Unmarried Age: 19 Rank, Profession or Occupation: Assistant Grocer agent Where born: Surrey,107 High Street, Guildford Name: Emma Leighs Relation to head of house: Daughter Age: 14 Rank, Profession or Occupation: Scholar Where born: Surrey, 107 High Street, Guildford Vicki Turner

John - You have two possibilities: Gordon Beavington in Kelowna, British Columbia, has scanned the 1851 Potteries census on to 4 CDs (for £15 sterling), and the whole of Staffordshire on to 9 CDs (£24 sterling). These are available now, but so far as I can work out, you need to open each page, which is a separate file, individually. Alternatively, you can wait until S & N Archive Data Ltd bring out their version, which will be a lot more expensive, but will allow you to move from one page of the enumerators' books to the next without the fiddle of closing it each time. The Beavington version is not indexed, so you may have a long job hunting down William and Henry Osborne. Graham -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 May 2003 09:59 To: [email protected] Subject: [Pots] 1851 OSBORNE To the List Members, Perhaps someone could advise if the Stoke-on-Trent 1851 Census has been formatted onto CD Disks or is available for viewing on the net.? I am searching for a William Osborne b 1844 in Somerset and his Father Henry who moved to the Potteries around the 1850 period. Any info would be gratefully received. Regards John ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03

Try the following : http://www.mycensuses.com

John: You might try the Staffordshire Lookup Exchange http://freespace.virgin.net/willen.hall/sts.html. There is a very kind person there who has the surname index for the 1851 Staffordshire Census. I have contacted him a couple of times and he is very quick in responding with a list of the folio numbers on which a certain surname exists. This would make Gord Beavington's CDs a lot easier to manage. Also, if you have Windows XP, the Beavington CD's are really easy, due to the "slide viewer" function. All you have to do with Windows XP is click the "next picture" button to get the next folio. They are very high quality scans and most are quite easy to read as a full page view. Happy Hunting! Pamela White Victoria BC Canada Researching: Ontario - BATES, BOWEN, NICOLL, RICHARDSON, WATTERS, WHITTINGHAM Cornwall - GALE, HOSKIN Cumberland - BATES, FISHER Devon - GALE, WHITTINGHAM London/Middlesex - BOWEN, GALLON (GILLAN) Staffordshire - WALTON, WHITTINGHAM Angus - BIRNIE BOWEN, BRUCE, DICK, DYE, GARDINER, GEORGE, HAGGART, HOWE, KIDD, NICOL(L), REID, SMITH Banff - ALLAN, GREENLAW, GRAY, MORISON, RAINY, RIDDOCH Perth - BROWN, RICHARDSON Stirling - ALLAN, HENDERSON, MARSHALL, RICHARDSON Queensland - NICOL(L) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:58 AM Subject: [Pots] 1851 OSBORNE > To the List Members, > Perhaps someone could advise if the > Stoke-on-Trent 1851 Census has been formatted onto CD Disks or is available > for viewing on the net.? > I am searching for a William Osborne b 1844 in Somerset and his Father Henry > who moved to the Potteries around the 1850 period. > Any info would be gratefully received. > Regards John > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

To the List Members, Perhaps someone could advise if the Stoke-on-Trent 1851 Census has been formatted onto CD Disks or is available for viewing on the net.? I am searching for a William Osborne b 1844 in Somerset and his Father Henry who moved to the Potteries around the 1850 period. Any info would be gratefully received. Regards John

Looking for info/connections: John BANKS, b.1838 Stone/d.1913 Tittensor married 1865 Eccleshall Caroline EMERY, b. 1846 Eccleshall/d.1919 Tittensor Children: William Emery BANKS, b. 1865 Tittensor, spouse ?Annie? Isaac BANKS, b. 1867 Tittensor Edith "Edie" BANKS, b. 1869 Tittensor, m. Ernest WOBY John "Jack" BANKS III, b. 1871 Tittensor, m. Clara Mary Ann "Polly" BANKS, b. 1873 Tittensor, m. Daniel HARVEY Elizabeth Ann "Annie" BANKS, b. 1875 Tittensor, m. William SALT Minnie BANKS, b. 1877 Tittensor, m. Unknown WATSON Herbert BANKS, b. 1879 Tittensor, m. Molly Esther BANKS, b. 1882 Tittensor, m. Joseph HARRIS *****My Grandparents***** Clara BANKS, b. 1884 Tittensor, m. Tom MANN George BANKS, b. 1886 Tittensor, m. Eva Constance CROXTON Florence "Flori" BANKS, b. 1888, m. James MARRIOTT Parents of John BANKS were John BANKS, b. 1804 & Mary WRIGHT Parents of Caroline EMERY were William EMERY, b. 1823 & Mary WALTERS With sincere appreciation for any and all help! Jill

Another page just uploaded to the Black Country Society website. This time it a review of the latest book published by the Society. Those of you living in the West Midlands and reading either the Express and Star or Black Country Bugle may have seen details of this book already. This book may also be of interest and use to Potteries listers. This book is unique in that it is the only publication which contains the civic arms of ALL the Black Country local authorities, which existed before the reorganisation of local government in 1966. The author Peter Skidmore has carried out painstaking research into this subject, successfully finding images of some of the arms, which at first proved difficult to track down. In my opinion the book is a wonderful resource for anyone interested in the history of the Black Country. It is very informative, not only on the granting of the arms themselves, but also some of the history behind the town itself, and how the arms itself came to evolve. There are also sections on Civic Pride, the College of Arms, how to acquire civic arms, an analysis of the themes and symbols used in civic arms and a comprehensive list of the mottoes used by Black Country councils. The book's proceeds will all be ploughed back into the Society to further other Black Country causes. Details on purchasing the book are available in the article. Here is the link: http://www.the-black-country.co.uk/bcs_articles/heraldry.htm Thanks for reading Mick Pearson

Reposting my interests in the potteries Cotton. Roberts Brian Allman Medlicot I'd be interested in hearing from anyone with the same interests for exchange of information. Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 7:00 AM Subject: ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES-D Digest V03 #94

Looking for connections to Frederick Hadfield born in Newcastle (1853). He appears as "Fredk" in the 1901 census of Stoke upon Trent. Thank you - Elaine Hadfield Polglase

A 2.45 p.m. today we completed scanning under licence from the P.R.O 34 Films for Staffordshire - over 37,000 JPEG images are now safely installed on 9 CDs. In 1851 the city folk liked to hire country youngsters as servants so many Staffordshire children found there way to Dudley, Worcestershire to work in service, for that reason we include at no cost a copy of the CD for Dudley in 2 of our CD offers. Staffordshire now joins Somerset, Bristol, Shropshire & Worcestershire in our 1851 Census Scans - coming up will be Birmingham and because it is part of 3 counties will we adapt the production to meet specific requests. Work on Birmingham will begin in Mid May - in the meantime to keep us out of trouble we will start Wiltshire because we have the film on hand but only on a time available basis. The Offers for Staffordshire can be found on our Web Page at http://www.mycensuses.com I am sure you will find a visit very informative and well worth the trip. Thank you to all who have made our cottage industry into such a fantastic success. Gordon Gordon W. Beavington, 560, Hemlock Road, Kelowna.B.C. Canada VIX5G4 Web Page: http://www.mycensuses.com Email: [email protected], Secure Address: https://secure3.silk.net/~gordonb/httpdocs/order.html

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JEFFS : Waverton (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North/South Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LOWE : Pulford (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON : Lymm (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Prescot (Lancs), Lymm (Cheshire) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) TAYLOR : Crewe area (Cheshire) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Tim