Hello List, Please excuse my posting again but would SKS do a look up in the parish records probably Christ Church for the baptism of Reuben Sherlock born in Basford 2/4 /1874. He was REGISTERED as Reueben, Son of Reuben and Mary, but I think that he called himself Daniel. I wonder if Daniel figured on his baptism either as a second name or even as his first name? TIA. Terry Brooks.

Hi Jackie, I would actually like to be able to read any of the folios. I managed after great difficulty to open the Shropshire disc which contained Ashley from Staffs, but I just got file invalid from the Staffs list. Again Gordon has offered a refund but as with other listers I don't really want that , just to be able to open them up. I have tried in 'My Computer' and in Explorer and in Imageing and in Coral Photohouse all to no avail. I will have to try again but I think that I have tried all possibilities. Regards Ann Simcock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: [Pots] Missing Folios from Beavington CD's > Hello list > > Has anyone who has the 1851 census for North Staffordshire from Gordon Beavington had any problems with whole batches of Folios missing? > > I recently received the 1851 name index from BMSGH, and yesterday was looking for some of my GRINDEY family on the Beavington CD's. I couldn't find some of the folios in HO 107/2008 for Leek, and on closer examination found several chunks of folios missing, along with some individual pages. I e-mailed Gordon and he checked the first missing lot, which he found, and I admit I was mistaken with that batch.. He said he didn't have time to check the others. > > This morning I have gone through 2008 with a fine tooth comb, and am convinced that the missing folios are not there. I have also checked the ED nos and there are some missing too, which correspond to the missing folios. I also spent some time on PROCAT trying to pinpoint the missing folios, which I think I have. I sent this info to Gordon, but his reply was that it was *my* problem and he didn't gaurantee perfection and offered me a refund, which I don't want. Admittedly, this was at 4.30 am Canadian time. > > Before I take this any further with Gordon I would like to check that it isn't just me missing something. If anyone has the CD's I would be very grateful if they could see if they can find the following folios anywhere in Piece 2008. > > 432-451 possibly RD2 Leek, ED2 Tittesworth > 715-741 possibly RD4 Longnor, ED6 & 7 Warslow and Elkstone > 769-785 possibly RD4 Longnor, ED11 Ecton > > This comes to about 122 missing pages. I also found about 8 individual pages missing. Am I being unreasonable in expecting all of the pages in any piece to be there? > > I must say I am dissapointed in Gordon's attitude. Has anyone else had this sort of response from him? It is a shame as I truly believe he is doing a good service in making the censuses available at a reasonable price, but in his haste to get out as many censuses as possible he skimps on the quality control. I should add that although some of the scans are difficult to read, I don't have a problem with the quality of the scans, as I have done some census transcribing myself so am aware of the difficulties. My problem is that I have paid for something which isn't there. I would be really dissapointed if I knew that some of my family were on the missing folios, and I had bought the CD's specifically to find them. > > Hope someone can help > Thanks > Jackie Russell > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

> Has anyone who has the 1851 census for North Staffordshire from Gordon Beavington had any problems with whole batches of Folios missing?<< Jackie I've had problems with the 1851 Census but not with batches missing. In my case the whole of Stone RD was unreadable as it appeared the pages had been filmed at an angle. Several e-mails later I was told another CD would be sent to me. I'm still waiting 1 month later - the original CD's arrived in 5 days which included a W/E!!! Shirley Forster Guildford Surrey Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/saelwick/index.htm e-mail: [email protected]

I too received a rather curt reply from him, I bought the census only to find that two weeks after there was a more comprehensive set, i asked what it would cost to purchace the missings discs, I was not given the opportunity to do so, just the price of the new complete set. I'm not to sure that i wou;ld use his service again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: [Pots] Missing Folios from Beavington CD's > Hello list > > Has anyone who has the 1851 census for North Staffordshire from Gordon Beavington had any problems with whole batches of Folios missing? > > I recently received the 1851 name index from BMSGH, and yesterday was looking for some of my GRINDEY family on the Beavington CD's. I couldn't find some of the folios in HO 107/2008 for Leek, and on closer examination found several chunks of folios missing, along with some individual pages. I e-mailed Gordon and he checked the first missing lot, which he found, and I admit I was mistaken with that batch.. He said he didn't have time to check the others. > > This morning I have gone through 2008 with a fine tooth comb, and am convinced that the missing folios are not there. I have also checked the ED nos and there are some missing too, which correspond to the missing folios. I also spent some time on PROCAT trying to pinpoint the missing folios, which I think I have. I sent this info to Gordon, but his reply was that it was *my* problem and he didn't gaurantee perfection and offered me a refund, which I don't want. Admittedly, this was at 4.30 am Canadian time. > > Before I take this any further with Gordon I would like to check that it isn't just me missing something. If anyone has the CD's I would be very grateful if they could see if they can find the following folios anywhere in Piece 2008. > > 432-451 possibly RD2 Leek, ED2 Tittesworth > 715-741 possibly RD4 Longnor, ED6 & 7 Warslow and Elkstone > 769-785 possibly RD4 Longnor, ED11 Ecton > > This comes to about 122 missing pages. I also found about 8 individual pages missing. Am I being unreasonable in expecting all of the pages in any piece to be there? > > I must say I am dissapointed in Gordon's attitude. Has anyone else had this sort of response from him? It is a shame as I truly believe he is doing a good service in making the censuses available at a reasonable price, but in his haste to get out as many censuses as possible he skimps on the quality control. I should add that although some of the scans are difficult to read, I don't have a problem with the quality of the scans, as I have done some census transcribing myself so am aware of the difficulties. My problem is that I have paid for something which isn't there. I would be really dissapointed if I knew that some of my family were on the missing folios, and I had bought the CD's specifically to find them. > > Hope someone can help > Thanks > Jackie Russell > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

Hello list Has anyone who has the 1851 census for North Staffordshire from Gordon Beavington had any problems with whole batches of Folios missing? I recently received the 1851 name index from BMSGH, and yesterday was looking for some of my GRINDEY family on the Beavington CD's. I couldn't find some of the folios in HO 107/2008 for Leek, and on closer examination found several chunks of folios missing, along with some individual pages. I e-mailed Gordon and he checked the first missing lot, which he found, and I admit I was mistaken with that batch.. He said he didn't have time to check the others. This morning I have gone through 2008 with a fine tooth comb, and am convinced that the missing folios are not there. I have also checked the ED nos and there are some missing too, which correspond to the missing folios. I also spent some time on PROCAT trying to pinpoint the missing folios, which I think I have. I sent this info to Gordon, but his reply was that it was *my* problem and he didn't gaurantee perfection and offered me a refund, which I don't want. Admittedly, this was at 4.30 am Canadian time. Before I take this any further with Gordon I would like to check that it isn't just me missing something. If anyone has the CD's I would be very grateful if they could see if they can find the following folios anywhere in Piece 2008. 432-451 possibly RD2 Leek, ED2 Tittesworth 715-741 possibly RD4 Longnor, ED6 & 7 Warslow and Elkstone 769-785 possibly RD4 Longnor, ED11 Ecton This comes to about 122 missing pages. I also found about 8 individual pages missing. Am I being unreasonable in expecting all of the pages in any piece to be there? I must say I am dissapointed in Gordon's attitude. Has anyone else had this sort of response from him? It is a shame as I truly believe he is doing a good service in making the censuses available at a reasonable price, but in his haste to get out as many censuses as possible he skimps on the quality control. I should add that although some of the scans are difficult to read, I don't have a problem with the quality of the scans, as I have done some census transcribing myself so am aware of the difficulties. My problem is that I have paid for something which isn't there. I would be really dissapointed if I knew that some of my family were on the missing folios, and I had bought the CD's specifically to find them. Hope someone can help Thanks Jackie Russell

Hi Marj, Have checked Greville St and Granville St in Hanley for 1851, but sadly no sign of John & Mary Ann Hampson. Keith in New Zealand

I dont know of any on line but here are some paper refernces The archive Photograps Series "The Potteries" - ISBN 0-7524-0046-0 has a group of cratemakers of the fron and back covers - They are from W.J.Shenton, Crate and Cooper manufactures, Longton - Well thats what it says on the Van - 1926 . A shot of the yard is on page 76 showing the crates as built and the willows all stacked. crates being loaded onto carts on page 73 an excelent photo -1890s - on page 68 "Stoke-on-Trent in Old Photographs" - ISBN 1-84015-057-2 pages 32 &33 Steve On 28 May 2003 10:08, S.Todd [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > Noted your comments about photos of crate makers or crate making in old books > - does anyone know if there are any on the web? > Sandra. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

At 00:14 30/05/03 EDT, you wrote: >I am researching Mellor from Burslem. My family came from the potteries and >wondered if anyone had similar interest. My 3rd Great Grandfather was James Oliver (b. 1815 Hanley). He had at least 3 children, including Emma, my GGG'mother (b. 1845 Hanley). Emma's brother (first name not yet known) emigrated, also to Trenton NJ. According to my G'father, he married Hannah (surname unknown, b. 1857) "on the day they emigrated". I've looked in IGI, FreeBMD anmd StaffsBMD and found a possible marriage in Plymouth, but I don't know how likely this is due to residency regulations. There's no-one suitable on the ISTG site yet. I know that the Olivers were in Trenton by 1882 as the 1910 US census show their eldest Charles born in NJ, but they aren't in the 1880 census. I do know a bit more about their children from the 1910 census (Mr. Oliver was not on it, presumed deceased) and from information from my late Grandfather. Any help or advice on where else to look appreciated. BTW are there any web sites detailing why Potters emigrated to Trenton? BW Andy.

Am new to this list as I have just "ventured" into Staffordshire from Liverpool via Derby!!! Is it possible for someone with access to the 1851 or 1861 census to look up Greville Street, Hanley for me - hoping to find John Hampson and Mary Ann Hampson (nee Rhodes) there. TIA - Marj, Perth, WA

Hi there, If you haven't already, I suggest you contact Mike Mellor, who lives in Coventry, Warwickshire at [email protected] Mike has loads of data on the Mellor name. Peter Gainsborough (Croydon, Surrey) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:14 AM Subject: [Pots] Mellor > Hello all, > > I am researching Mellor from Burslem. My family came from the potteries and > wondered if anyone had similar interest. > > My great great great grandfather was John Mellor and I descended from his > son, my great great grandfather Reuben Mellor who married Elizabeth Pennington. > > His son, Arthur Mellor married Sarah Gibson and they came to the US in 1888 > to live in Trenton New Jersey. > > If anyone has information on this family I would be glad to hear from them. > > Thanks > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 29/05/2003

Peter, Thanks for the tip, actually I have been in long contact with Mike and he has been of great help to me, he is a wonderful person. I am at the point in research that I was hoping to find someone who is related to one of the Mellor siblings of my grandfathers that can fill in the blanks. As you know, this is very time consuming and since I live in the states, I must depend on the generosity of those who live in England to look up things for me. I must say that everyone has been so helpful to me over there. Mike has spent much time with me researching my tree, time to give him a break. Lisa Researching Mellor/Pennington/Haywood

Hi, Our Mellor was Sarah Mellor b. 1833(?) who married John Parr in Burslem. From the parish registers the Mellors appear to have had quite a lot of connection with Parrs for some time. A Mary Parr married a George Mellor in1782. The complication is that there are two Parr branches which intermarried from time to time and this George Mellor is on the other branch from the Sarah Mellor. You will perhaps receive an email from another Parr relative who is a direct descendent of the Sarah Mellor line if you don't hear from her I will pass on your email. Regards Ann Simcock ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:14 AM Subject: [Pots] Mellor > Hello all, > > I am researching Mellor from Burslem. My family came from the potteries and > wondered if anyone had similar interest. > > My great great great grandfather was John Mellor and I descended from his > son, my great great grandfather Reuben Mellor who married Elizabeth Pennington. > > His son, Arthur Mellor married Sarah Gibson and they came to the US in 1888 > to live in Trenton New Jersey. > > If anyone has information on this family I would be glad to hear from them. > > Thanks > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

Hello all, I am researching Mellor from Burslem. My family came from the potteries and wondered if anyone had similar interest. My great great great grandfather was John Mellor and I descended from his son, my great great grandfather Reuben Mellor who married Elizabeth Pennington. His son, Arthur Mellor married Sarah Gibson and they came to the US in 1888 to live in Trenton New Jersey. If anyone has information on this family I would be glad to hear from them. Thanks

Noted your comments about photos of crate makers or crate making in old books - does anyone know if there are any on the web? Sandra.

Jackie - Many potbanks had their own crate making team - My mate left school and went to be an apprentice cratemaker at Twyfords - though by that time they were using 3" square steel mess to make the crates. Several old photo books of the potts have photos of cratemakers and show what the crates looked like. Made out of willow an soaked in water to make them pliable. I remember that a crate make down Union Street in Hanley had a nice side line in making hoola hoops - that would be around 1958 ish ...... sTEVE On 27 May 2003 11:19, Jackie Russell [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > Hello > > My greatgrandfather Uriah YATES was a cratemaker in 1809 when he married > Ann FINNEY in Burslem. He was still a cratemaker in the 1851 census. 7 > of his descendants were also cratemakers, until at least 1901. > Did the potteries employ their own cratemakers, or did they buy the > crates in? > If anyone has access to any trade directories, could they please see if > cratemaker is a trade and if there are any named YATES in the Burslem > area. > > Thank you > Jackie Russell > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

Hi Jackie, Dont know an awful lot about cratemaking but I remembered seeing a "Crate Works" marked on an old map of Burslem. If you go onto oldmaps online and enter the search as Cobridge. Then when you get the map up if you move westwards the crateworks is I think somewhere around the canal. Hope this is of interet to you. Terry Brooks. Manchester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: [Pots] Cratemaker > Hello > > My greatgrandfather Uriah YATES was a cratemaker in 1809 when he married > Ann FINNEY in Burslem. He was still a cratemaker in the 1851 census. 7 > of his descendants were also cratemakers, until at least 1901. > Did the potteries employ their own cratemakers, or did they buy the > crates in? > If anyone has access to any trade directories, could they please see if > cratemaker is a trade and if there are any named YATES in the Burslem > area. > > Thank you > Jackie Russell > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hello My greatgrandfather Uriah YATES was a cratemaker in 1809 when he married Ann FINNEY in Burslem. He was still a cratemaker in the 1851 census. 7 of his descendants were also cratemakers, until at least 1901. Did the potteries employ their own cratemakers, or did they buy the crates in? If anyone has access to any trade directories, could they please see if cratemaker is a trade and if there are any named YATES in the Burslem area. Thank you Jackie Russell

Hello listers I have recently found my 3xgreatgrandfather Uriah YATES on the 1851 census in Burslem. He is age 65, born Cheshire, but unfortunately doesn't say where in Cheshire. I have found a possible baptism in Astbury, Cheshire. If anyone has access to the 1861 census for Burslem I would be very grateful if they could look for him. In 1851 he was a widower living in Commercial Street with his 2 youngest daughters Paulina and Betsey. Thank you Jackie Russell

Hi, I am searching for the birth of Daniel LUCAS, born around 1878. Can anyome help please? Regards Jean.

Hi, does anyone know about a Daniel Lucas born around 1787? Can anyone help please, I seem to be going round in circles! Thanks. Jean