How does one find information about people who may have died in WW1? Thank you. Elaine Hadfield Polglase

The Library will do A3 size. I've had full maps copied, then stuck them together at home. (It doesn't do to ask too often, tho!) Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Stutcinskas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: RE: [Pots] Potteries Streets. > Godfreys is good but Hanley Library is better - - > > Hanley Archives in Hanley Library has all maps of the whole of Stoke on > Trent and the hinterland. > > If you want Fenton and Longton you are out of luck with Godfreys but I got > excellent ones of Old Longton for 1880 and 1900 . > > The librarys copies must be about A1 size so you need to specify a > particular area and what size you want . A4 or A5 . > > If you are in Staffysher or plan a visit, you really should pay a visit to > the archives and just have a look at the maps that are available. > > If you are not then why not contact the library and ask them if they have > the street / area that you are after . They can print you an A4 sheet > centred on your area and send it to you . I think its about 50p a sheet > but then you would have to add postage. > > Try contacting thenm at HYPERLINK > "mailto:[email protected]"[email protected] > There web page is HYPERLINK > http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/live/welcome.asp?id=2864 http://www.staf > fordshire.gov.uk/live/welcome.asp?id=2864 > > Steve

Godfreys is good but Hanley Library is better - - Hanley Archives in Hanley Library has all maps of the whole of Stoke on Trent and the hinterland. If you want Fenton and Longton you are out of luck with Godfreys but I got excellent ones of Old Longton for 1880 and 1900 . The librarys copies must be about A1 size so you need to specify a particular area and what size you want . A4 or A5 . If you are in Staffysher or plan a visit, you really should pay a visit to the archives and just have a look at the maps that are available. If you are not then why not contact the library and ask them if they have the street / area that you are after . They can print you an A4 sheet centred on your area and send it to you . I think its about 50p a sheet but then you would have to add postage. Try contacting thenm at HYPERLINK "mailto:[email protected]"[email protected] There web page is HYPERLINK http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/live/welcome.asp?id=2864 http://www.staf fordshire.gov.uk/live/welcome.asp?id=2864 Steve -----Original Message----- From: terrybrooks [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: 05 September 2003 23:03 To: [email protected] Subject: [Pots] Potteries Streets. Hello Listers, For anyone trying to locate old streets in the Potteries I can strongly recommend the Godfreys Series of old ordnance maps at only ?2.10 each. I have just obtained 18.01 Stoke Shelton and Hartshill, and 12.13 Hanley and Etruria. and I am delighted. Hope that this helps. Terry Brooks. ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003

Hello Listers, For anyone trying to locate old streets in the Potteries I can strongly recommend the Godfreys Series of old ordnance maps at only £2.10 each. I have just obtained 18.01 Stoke Shelton and Hartshill, and 12.13 Hanley and Etruria. and I am delighted. Hope that this helps. Terry Brooks.

Hi Tony, My knowledge of the geography of the potteries is not very good, so I will just tell you what I have. On the 1891 census Joseph Leese living in Penkhull Terrace, age 62, milk seller, Born Stoke, Wife Betsy, Children Kate, Charles Joseph (My husband's grandfather) & Joseph B. Grandson James E. Roberts Next door was Thomas Leese his son & his family Wife Maude & children Anne, William & Lillian On the 1881 census Betsy was Head, Joseph was not there. Thomas age 16 was living at home and there was an older daughter Emily. This is about as much as I know at the moment. Jeanne _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Last year I was subscribed to the Staffordshire mailing list. Before unsubscribing there was quite a debate on the problems that people were having getting family history info from the people who ran the cemetery. I don't want to reopen the debate but there was a bit of chatter that someone might be allowed to transcribe the cemetery records. Can anyone update me on the progress of that. Sorry to be so behind the times but I have a lot of Pottery folk on the family tree that I think could be in Cartmountside or Burslem. Thanks, Bryan Small Vancouver, BC, Canada

Hi Jeanne, Thanks for that info re Bywater, I don't think she is the one, she is very elusive!! There don't sem to have been many Bywaters in the Potteries area where my Grandmother was born and lived. Our Leese connections were from Chell & Tunstall, and there doesn't appear to be a Charles or a Joseph, sorry. Regards, Keith in N.Z. where it's pouring down!!

Hi Jeanne, I didnt catch the earlier part of this correspondence. Just on the off chance that there is a conection, I do have a Joseph Lees(e) (b 1839/40 Tunstall) and a Jospeph Lees (b c. 1700 Biddulph m Ann). No Charles though. Any connection ? Best regards Tony Researching : BAILEY, BATE(S), BENNETT, BOURNE, BROOK(E)S, CHALLINOR, CLARK(E), DUNN, GATER, HANLEY, HILL, LEES(E), THORLEY, TURNER -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hackney [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 September 2003 05:21 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Pots] BYWATER & LEESE Hi Jeanne, Thanks for that info re Bywater, I don't think she is the one, she is very elusive!! There don't sem to have been many Bywaters in the Potteries area where my Grandmother was born and lived. Our Leese connections were from Chell & Tunstall, and there doesn't appear to be a Charles or a Joseph, sorry. Regards, Keith in N.Z. where it's pouring down!! ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

Maybe someone on this list can help me with my brick wall of more than 25 years. Sorry for its wordiness. I'm looking for the parents of my 3 x gt grandfather John LEIGH who married Ann SUTTON 1811 Dec 3 in Burslem St John's. John LEIGH was a potter's printer and was born about 1792 (in Burslem according to his German death registration). About 1830, he joined the pottery firm in Wallerfangen (then Vaudrevange), Saarland, owned by Nicolas VILLEROY who in 1836 combined with Jean-François BOCH to form the firm of Villeroy and Boch which still exists today. John LEIGH died in Wallerfangen in 1867. His wife, Ann SUTTON, died in Wallerfangen in 1853. I have traced the family in Germany/France from 1833 until 1898 when readily available sources end. By 1898 most family members were living in Sarreguemines, Moselle, France (also called at various times Saargemund, Saarland, Germany). At least one family member, Leo(n) LEIGH, emigrated before 1898 to the USA from Germany. Over the years, in Germany/France, the LEIGHs in Wallerfangen intermarried with the VUILLIET, MULLER, BAURET, MANN, and NICOLET families. I have the death records of both Ann SUTTON (died 1853 Aug 28) and John LEIGH (died 1867 Dec 26) from Wallerfangen civil records. These normally list parents who in the case of Ann SUTTON are Joseph SUTTON and Jane COPELAND. Unfortunately the informant on the death of John LEIGH (a son also John LEIGH) didn't know the names of his LEIGH grandparents. There was at least one other English potter from Burslem who was in Wallerfangen in the mid-1800's, presumably also working for Villeroy & Boch. This was Jacob EGERTON who appears in the Wallerfangen (St Catherine's) parish register several times with LEIGH family members and others. He married a VUILLIET in Wallerfangen. My own 2 x gt grandfather, Samuel LEIGH, either did not emigrate to Wallerfangen with the family, or returned to England shortly after emigrating. He married Jane HUGHES at Burslem St John 1833 Feb 4. Thanks for any information or clues for further research. ....... Jack ========================================================================= 5030 Meadfeild Road, West Vancouver, BC, Canada V7W 3G2 (604) 926-4422

Good Evening List Members Not sure whether this comes under the Potteries List or the Staffordshire one? While looking for something else I found this link which may be of interest to some on here? http://www.newcastle-staffs.gov.uk/PressReleases/PressRelease1.asp This appears to be the latest lists of memorials which have failed the "test" and found to be unstable. Knowing the costs involved - this is one where I hope none of the names are relevant to anyone on here. Regards Louise (Newport, South Wales)

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

Thanks, Earl. I'll try that. It's only really a vague idea I have. I've found several trees dotted around the Internet on my Goodfellows, all of which have come from the same source, judging by the repetition of the same mistakes!! 1 of my Goodfellows apparently lived to be 156, for example!! This does, of course, make me somewhat suspicious of any of the content. The Goodfellows actually crop up on my father's mother's side in Manchester. It was quite weird to find my Manchester g-g-g-g-grandfather in Dukinfield, Cheshire, in 1851, with place of birth Blyth. Baptised in Fulford, no less. Wife Alice born Rushton. She is apparently the Davenport connection, according to the tree, which has her born in Leith, Staffs, bapt Rushton Spencer. I haven't heard of Leith, Staffs. Some other good names crop up on the tree, such as Wardle. Best regards Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Davenport > In a message dated 30/08/2003 12:20:35 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Hello. > > > > Is anyone working on the Davenports, master potters of Burslem? > > > > I have part of their tree, from books and Internet trees, and believe they > > originated > > in Leek. > > > > According to various trees I have found on the Internet, my Goodfellows tie > > into a > > Davenport line from the Leek area, and I wondered if there was any > > connection there. > > > > Best regards > > > > Eileen > > Hi Eileen, I seem to recall there was an extensive piece on the Leek > Davenports in (I think), the book 'The Ancient Parish of Leek'. A copy of which > resides on the shelves in Hanley Record Office. > > Regards Earl. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi, Sue I take it that this family was in Wolstanton in 1881, father Henry, wife Ann. The census gives Frederick's place of birth as Tunstall. The Davenports of Burslem, married into the Wedgwood & Wood families, and were very wealthy, with 3 factories in Longport. They came from Leek originally. Earl Davies has recommended a book on Leek, called 'The Ancient Parish of Leek', which gives a lot of information on the Davenports. Best regards Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Pots] Davenport > Eileen, > my Davenports were Frederick and Mary Ellen Davenport , he was born Hanley > around 1861. His father was Henry George Davenport born 1835 in tunstall, > his father was Hugh Devenport( still confirming this). All worked in the > potteries in the stoke on trent area. > regards > sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 2:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Pots] Davenport > > > > In a message dated 30/08/2003 12:20:35 GMT Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > Hello. > > > > > > Is anyone working on the Davenports, master potters of Burslem? > > > > > > I have part of their tree, from books and Internet trees, and believe > they > > > originated > > > in Leek. > > > > > > According to various trees I have found on the Internet, my Goodfellows > tie > > > into a > > > Davenport line from the Leek area, and I wondered if there was any > > > connection there. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Eileen > > > > Hi Eileen, I seem to recall there was an extensive piece on the Leek > > Davenports in (I think), the book 'The Ancient Parish of Leek'. A copy of > which > > resides on the shelves in Hanley Record Office. > > > > Regards Earl. > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

At 09:30 31/08/03 +1200, you wrote: >Sarah Perry was born in Bagillt, Flints, if that is any use to you?? Her parents were George Perry and Jane Edwards. Useful, but only to consider her unlikely! Thanks, Andy.

Hi Keith, Perhaps we have a connection after all. My Lees(e) line in Biddulph then Tunstall includes a Samuel Lees(e) born in 1827/8 who married (possibly 15/12/1845) an Ann Lees from Bagillt in Flint. This lady has a birth date which is just outside the range you quote below (probably 1829 per the censuses). Her marriage to Samuel was possibly the marriage of Samuel Lee and Ann Lees on 15/12/1845 - where her father is shown as Ralph. The mother of Samuels children is Ann Lees - per their birth certificates. Do you have any more detail on your Ann, daughter of Ralph and Sarah ? Best regards Tony Researching : BAILEY, BATE(S), BENNETT, BOURNE, BROOK(E)S, CHALLINOR, CLARK(E), DUNN, GATER, HANLEY, HILL, LEES(E), THORLEY, TURNER -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hackney [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 August 2003 22:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Pots] PERRY - was JOBBURN>WITHNULL>LEESE> Hi Andy, Sarah Perry was born in Bagillt, Flints, if that is any use to you?? Her parents were George Perry and Jane Edwards. Keith in N.Z. ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hackney [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 August 2003 03:24 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Pots] JOBBURN>WITHNULL>LEESE> Hi Tony, It doesn't look like the same line, my Jane's parents were Ralph and Sarah (Perry). She had siblings John, Eliza, Catherine, Ann, Ralph & Sarah, all born between 1833 and 1844. Ralph was shown as a Potter in 1851, in Watergate Street, Tunstall. He was a Beerseller in the 1851 Staffs Gazetteer, still in Watergate Street. In 1881 he was a widower living with son John & his wife Sarah, having a grocers shop and beerhouse at 37 marsh street Hanley. Regards, Keith in N.Z. ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire

Hi Andy, Sarah Perry was born in Bagillt, Flints, if that is any use to you?? Her parents were George Perry and Jane Edwards. Keith in N.Z.

Eileen, my Davenports were Frederick and Mary Ellen Davenport , he was born Hanley around 1861. His father was Henry George Davenport born 1835 in tunstall, his father was Hugh Devenport( still confirming this). All worked in the potteries in the stoke on trent area. regards sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Pots] Davenport > In a message dated 30/08/2003 12:20:35 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Hello. > > > > Is anyone working on the Davenports, master potters of Burslem? > > > > I have part of their tree, from books and Internet trees, and believe they > > originated > > in Leek. > > > > According to various trees I have found on the Internet, my Goodfellows tie > > into a > > Davenport line from the Leek area, and I wondered if there was any > > connection there. > > > > Best regards > > > > Eileen > > Hi Eileen, I seem to recall there was an extensive piece on the Leek > Davenports in (I think), the book 'The Ancient Parish of Leek'. A copy of which > resides on the shelves in Hanley Record Office. > > Regards Earl. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

Hi Mike, I had two teachers named Orme,they happened to be married so the name would come from the same family.I went to school in Stoke-on-Trent so maybe the family lived around there in your time. I hope this helps, Helen. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: [Pots] MOORLEY > HI list, > Can anyone tell me why two of MOORLEY's were named Harry Orme MOORLEY. > I am aware of the Orme boys school but why should anyone want to be named > after a school? Unless once upon a time there was a Mrs ORME somewhere. > > Mike Hill > Waterlooville > A modern village. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire >

Hi Earl The piece number for both Biddulph and Biddulph Moor is HO107/2167 - at present it is NOT covered by the new bmsgh CD's. PS will give you a ring asap regarding the staffs BMD regards Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: [Pots] Biddulph Census > Does anyone know the HO number for the 1851 Biddulph census and which CD Set > the parish appears on? > > Regards Earl. > > > ==== ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES Mailing List ==== > The List for the Pottery Towns of the Ancient County of Staffordshire > >

Hi Pamela, Many thanks for the index entries, I too have been trawling the 1851 for Nth Staffs for her among others. The problem is that I don't really know who Maryan was. I know my grandmothers maternal grandmother was, certainly not a Bywater. I don't know who my grandmother's, nor her siblings, father was, as he was not shown on their bcs., so that makes it harder. Thanks for your help, maybe SKS with the 1851 Sth Staffs might look up those references for me?? TIA. Regards, Keith, in N.Z.