Dear Jean OK. It occurs to me that you might find a likely address by either: * getting the birth certificate for William Kingston, born 1840-41. Probably not worth the cost if he was not your direct ancestor. * finding his baptism, which might at least give a street where the family lived. If you ask archives@southampton.gov.uk they would probably look in their card index for you, for William's baptism. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 17:05 19/11/2004, Jean Williams wrote: >Many thanks Dave - I thought the 1841 was not indexed but it was worth an >ask! The family were in Shirley Terrace in 1849 but had moved to Common >Street Portsmouth by 1851. > >Jean > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Jacobs [mailto:Dave@Jacobs.net] >Sent: 18 November 2004 21:10 >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-SOU] 1841 census > > >Hi Jean > >You are quite right, the 1841 census has not been indexed. > >The reason why organisations have not spent any effort to do this, is >because the 1841 census is not very useful. At each address, it gives a >list of names, approximate ages and occupations if any. It also says >whether each person was born in the same County as that in which the census >was being taken. > >So whereas from the 1851 census (and later ones) one can establish >(assuming always that the people concerned were giving true answers) pretty >much where and when someone was born, and their relationships to other >people in the same household, we cannot do the same from the 1841 returns. > >As a result of this, one cannot just look up a name in 1841. Given an >address, one can use street indexes to find the right part of the census to >look at, but without an address it is just a matter of virtually wandering >the streets looking for the name you want. Not a nice or rewarding job, >especially in a crowded town. > >If you give us the address from 1851, either I or the local studies people >could look at it, but the chances of a family being at the same address for >ten years is pretty low, especially among the renting classes. > >Cheers, Dave Jacobs >=============== > >At 19:47 18/11/2004, Jean Williams wrote: > >Hi Dave > > > >You did not mention the 1841 census so I take it that is not indexed. > > > >I am still trying to find my Family in the 1841 census and as one child was > >born in 1839/40 in Southampton I think that is where they are most likely >to > >be in 1841. The details in 1851, in case you come across them, are: > > > >Piece 1659 Folio 736 > > > >William Kingston born Portsmouth, age 42 mechanical draughtsman > >Tryphena Kingston, born Dartmouth, age 35 > >William born Southampton, age 11 > > > >Many thanks > > > >Jean > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Dave Jacobs [mailto:Dave@Jacobs.net] > >Sent: 18 November 2004 15:28 > >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] 1861 census > > > > > >Dear Eleanor and others > > > >An index for the 1861 census of Southampton is apparently all but complete, > >and is available on paper at Southampton Local Studies Library, which is > >where I have consulted it. > > > >I do not know what plans there are for wider publication, but I will send a > >message to local.studies@southampton.gov.uk and ask them. I'll relay their > >answer to the List. > > > >Meanwhile if anyone has a name to look up there, you have a choice of > >asking the LSL directly, or asking me and I'll do it on my next trip > >in. The same in fact for any of the 1851-1891 censuses which are all > >indexed. > > > >Cheers, Dave Jacobs > >=============== > > > > At 23:13 17/11/2004, Elenor Ross wrote: > > >Hi DAve and all, > > > > > >Jumping on the back of this last message, I wasn't aware that an index >for > > >the 1861 census was in the works anywhere so I'm very delighted to see >this > > >message. I've been waiting for a long time now to receive the 1861 census > >CD > > >from Archive Books but would very much like to get my hands on a copy of > >the > > >index. More information please? > > > > > >Thanks. Eleanor, B. C. Canada > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dave Jacobs" <Dave@Jacobs.net> > > >To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 7:37 AM > > >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] 1861 census Look up Please / LEAKE > > > > > > > > > > Hi Heather > > > > > > > > Sory if someone has already answered off line, although there is >really > > > > nothing to report. > > > > The 1861 census index for Southampton (I take it this was where you > >wanted > > > > us to look?) is almost completely finished, but sadly there is no >entry > > >for > > > > William or Isabella Leake or family. Or any variation on the name, as > > > > Leak, Leek, Leeke. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > > > > =============== > > > > > > > > At 13:10 09/11/2004, Heather Brown wrote: > > > > >Hello List, > > > > > > > > > >If any kind member has access to the 1861 census, would they please >do > >a > > > > >look up for me? > > > > > > > > > >I am interested in finding any information on the LEAKE family. > > > > > > > > > > >From the 1871 census this family are all stated as being born in St > > > > > Mary's Bourne. > > > > > > > > > >Now I am not to sure about all of them as being born there, but I >think > > > > >there is a very good chance of William LEAKE being born there. > > > > > > > > > >The LEAKE family should include in 1861: > > > > >William - c 1823 ? -1831? > > > > >Isabella (nee HOSKIN) - 1823 ? - 1831 ? > > > > >William - ? - son > > > > >Thomas - c 1857 - 1862 - son - (given places of birth from Army >records > > > > >Somerset & Marriage cert & 1901 Census Southampton) > > > > >Robert - 1860 - son > > > > > > > > > >1871 Census: > > > > >William - 48 - St Mary Bourne > > > > >Isabella - 48 - St Mary Bourne > > > > >Robert - 11 - St Mary Bourne > > > > >Sarah - 5 - St Mary Bourne > > > > >John - 1 - St Mary Bourne > > > > > > > > > >The 1881 census > > > > >William - 50 - Portsmouth, Hampshire > > > > >Isabella - 50 - Devon > > > > >Robert - 21 - Taunton, Somerset > > > > >Sarah - 18 - Southampton - seems to have gained quite a few years! > > > > >John - 11 - Portsmouth, Hampshire > > > > > > > > > >Thomas is not on either the 1871 or 1881 census. > > > > > > > > > >I have been unable to find any birth record for Thomas, when he >married > > >my > > > > >gt Aunt Sarah HOSKING in July 1900 he gave his age as 40 yrs, and on > >the > > > > >1901 census he gave his age as 41yrs. > > > > > > > > > >Any help would be truly appreciated, no matter how small. > > > > > > > > > >Many thanks and best wishes > > > > >Heather Brown (nee Hosking) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > > > >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >the > > > > >areas they lived. 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