Dave wrote, "I was shouting at him to get the birth certificate before making such remarks..." You and me both Dave. I also thought it a bit stupid to take his cousin's work for granted, and the way that particular portion of the tree was depicted. Way back in 1979 the BBC did it much better! Gordon Honeycombe (a popular author and broadcaster of the period) traced his family tree back to the 17th century in a series of programmes, which covered almost all aspects of family history - in the days before home computers, so it was all hands-on research! A book was produced by Don Steel to accompany the programmes - I still have a copy, and still use it for ideas! "Discovering Your Family History", BBC 1980, ISBN 0-563-16286-4 is well worth buying if it can be found in the second-hand book market. Regards Brian Incoming mail is certified Virus Free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version 6.0.775 Virus Database 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004