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    1. Re: [ENG-SOU] Re: Millbrook Cemetery/St Nicholas Church
    2. sbolt
    3. Quite right, Dave - I stand corrected! Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <Dave@Jacobs.net> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Re: Millbrook Cemetery/St Nicholas Church > Hi Sara and all > > Good story, thanks for this. > > You asked: > << In those circumstances, I wonder if the Southampton > Bereavement Services would have a record of the moved gravestones? I should > imagine they would only have records of actual interments there? >> > > It is worth pointing out the salient legal situation here! > > What we have most recently been talking about are the CHURCHYARDS belonging > to St Nicholas and Holy Trinity churches in Millbrook. These, and all > other churchyards associated with churches, are nothing to do with > Southampton Council. All churchyards and their registers are owned and > managed by ecclesiastical authorities. They alone are responsible for > recording where particular graves and memorials are, and generally speaking > they do a very poor job. The local sexton will hopefully know his > graveyard, but sextons' records from the past are few and far between. > > CEMETERIES on the other hand are the property and responsibility of Local > Authorities, which are secular bodies. By various Acts of Parliament the > local authority managing a cemetery has to keep a plan of the cemetery, > showing where all the graves are, and are obliged to reveal this > information to any interested party. This is what Southampton Bereavement > Services do for all Southampton Cemeteries. They have no information about > any churchyards though; for these you have to go to Southampton Archives > Dept., or Hampshire Record Office, which is also the Diocese of Winchester > Record Office. > > Southampton Cemeteries are: > 1846 Common/Old Cemetery/Hill Lane > 1879 St Mary Extra (at Woolston) > 1905 South Stoneham > 1909 Millbrook > 1913 Hollybrook > 1932 Southampton Crematorium, originally at South Stoneham, now in Basset > Green Road > > As most local churchyards closed during the late 19th C, most people who > died in Southampton would have ended in one of these places. > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > ===============

    06/02/2004 02:41:47
    1. Re: [ENG-SOU] Re: Millbrook Cemetery/St Nicholas Church
    2. Dave Jacobs
    3. Hi Sara and all Good story, thanks for this. You asked: << In those circumstances, I wonder if the Southampton Bereavement Services would have a record of the moved gravestones? I should imagine they would only have records of actual interments there? >> It is worth pointing out the salient legal situation here! What we have most recently been talking about are the CHURCHYARDS belonging to St Nicholas and Holy Trinity churches in Millbrook. These, and all other churchyards associated with churches, are nothing to do with Southampton Council. All churchyards and their registers are owned and managed by ecclesiastical authorities. They alone are responsible for recording where particular graves and memorials are, and generally speaking they do a very poor job. The local sexton will hopefully know his graveyard, but sextons' records from the past are few and far between. CEMETERIES on the other hand are the property and responsibility of Local Authorities, which are secular bodies. By various Acts of Parliament the local authority managing a cemetery has to keep a plan of the cemetery, showing where all the graves are, and are obliged to reveal this information to any interested party. This is what Southampton Bereavement Services do for all Southampton Cemeteries. They have no information about any churchyards though; for these you have to go to Southampton Archives Dept., or Hampshire Record Office, which is also the Diocese of Winchester Record Office. Southampton Cemeteries are: 1846 Common/Old Cemetery/Hill Lane 1879 St Mary Extra (at Woolston) 1905 South Stoneham 1909 Millbrook 1913 Hollybrook 1932 Southampton Crematorium, originally at South Stoneham, now in Basset Green Road As most local churchyards closed during the late 19th C, most people who died in Southampton would have ended in one of these places. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 00:11 02/06/2004, sbolt wrote: >Hello, Dave and listers, > >In Rosaleen Wilkinson's excellent book "Millbrook - The Hidden Past" she >indicates that in the late 1700s, there was a proposal to re-build St >Nicholas Church, as being on the then shoreline and due to the high >water-table, it was very damp and prone to flooding, and to allow a >re-siting of the church "monuments and graves were to be dismantled >carefully" (p17)- many years later, it seems the church was substantially >re-built with only the tower of the original church remaining. She doesn't >say if the plan with regard to the monuments and graves was carried out, but >if not, it may well be that many were lost at that time. > >It seems that St Nicholas Church was closed in 1889 as the damp had caused >further decay, re-opened in 1911 after major repairs, and finally closed in >1920; demolition began in 1939 - "in less than three weeks the graveyard had >been cleared and burials within the church exhumed. The bodies were >re-buried [the book doesn't make clear where]. Sea sand and mud filled the >graves and many bodies crumbled into dust" (p18) - not sure if this means >the re-buried ones or the ones left in the churchyard, or both! > >She also says that Holy Trinity's churchyard had been used since 1879, and >that "some of the old gravestones were brought from St Nicholas' and put in >the churchyard at Holy Trinity. but there are no actual graves underneath >them" (p 21). In those circumstances, I wonder if the Southampton >Bereavement Services would have a record of the moved gravestones? I should >imagine they would only have records of actual interments there? > >Incidentally, at least three of my Bessant ancestors would have been buried >at St Nicholas, and another one may have been: >3 x great-grandfather John (1823), his wife Fanny (nee Heath) in 1860, >possibly their daughter-in-law (and my 2 x great-grandmother) Sarah Ann (nee >Humber/Humby) in 1875 (Sarah Ann's burial is recorded in the Freemantle >register, so I'm not entirely sure where the actual burial would have been, >although husband Stephen was buried at the Hill Lane cemetery) and Sarah Ann >and Stephen's son John (brother of my great-grandfather Henry) in 1872. >They were ag labs, so may not have had gravestones to start with - I'll have >to make do with the parish register entries! > >Best wishes, > >Sara >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Jacobs" <Dave@Jacobs.net> >To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:39 PM >Subject: Re: Millbrook Cemetery > > > > Hi Dorothy and all > > > > Wandering around cemeteries hoping to stumble across the remains of your > > ancestors is not the recommended way to do your family history, I fear. > > What you should really do is contact Southampton Bereavement Services, and > > get the exact cemetery and plot reference from them. > > Then, armed with a machete, you go into the cemetery and try to find the >grave. > > > > By the way, I have a feeling that the earlier Millbrook cemetery that was > > mentioned as now being completely built over, was actually the graveyard >of > > the earlier Millbrook parish church of St Nicholas, also long since > > demolished. The present parish church, Holy Trinity Millbrook, has its >own > > graveyard, and the council cemetery called Millbrook Cemetery created in > > 1909 is an extension behind the churchyard. > > > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > > =============== > > > > At 10:39 29/05/2004, Dorothy Morrissey wrote: > > >Hi Dave > > > > > >If, while avoiding drunks and rats in Millbrook > > >Cemetery, you happen to stumble on any Gilleys or > > >Lanhams or Shorts, please let me know! Watch your > > >footing! > > > > > >Cheers > > > > > >Dorothy > > > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > >http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________ > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

    06/02/2004 02:30:36
    1. Re: Millbrook Cemetery/St Nicholas Church
    2. sbolt
    3. Hello, Dave and listers, In Rosaleen Wilkinson's excellent book "Millbrook - The Hidden Past" she indicates that in the late 1700s, there was a proposal to re-build St Nicholas Church, as being on the then shoreline and due to the high water-table, it was very damp and prone to flooding, and to allow a re-siting of the church "monuments and graves were to be dismantled carefully" (p17)- many years later, it seems the church was substantially re-built with only the tower of the original church remaining. She doesn't say if the plan with regard to the monuments and graves was carried out, but if not, it may well be that many were lost at that time. It seems that St Nicholas Church was closed in 1889 as the damp had caused further decay, re-opened in 1911 after major repairs, and finally closed in 1920; demolition began in 1939 - "in less than three weeks the graveyard had been cleared and burials within the church exhumed. The bodies were re-buried [the book doesn't make clear where]. Sea sand and mud filled the graves and many bodies crumbled into dust" (p18) - not sure if this means the re-buried ones or the ones left in the churchyard, or both! She also says that Holy Trinity's churchyard had been used since 1879, and that "some of the old gravestones were brought from St Nicholas' and put in the churchyard at Holy Trinity. but there are no actual graves underneath them" (p 21). In those circumstances, I wonder if the Southampton Bereavement Services would have a record of the moved gravestones? I should imagine they would only have records of actual interments there? Incidentally, at least three of my Bessant ancestors would have been buried at St Nicholas, and another one may have been: 3 x great-grandfather John (1823), his wife Fanny (nee Heath) in 1860, possibly their daughter-in-law (and my 2 x great-grandmother) Sarah Ann (nee Humber/Humby) in 1875 (Sarah Ann's burial is recorded in the Freemantle register, so I'm not entirely sure where the actual burial would have been, although husband Stephen was buried at the Hill Lane cemetery) and Sarah Ann and Stephen's son John (brother of my great-grandfather Henry) in 1872. They were ag labs, so may not have had gravestones to start with - I'll have to make do with the parish register entries! Best wishes, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <Dave@Jacobs.net> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: Millbrook Cemetery > Hi Dorothy and all > > Wandering around cemeteries hoping to stumble across the remains of your > ancestors is not the recommended way to do your family history, I fear. > What you should really do is contact Southampton Bereavement Services, and > get the exact cemetery and plot reference from them. > Then, armed with a machete, you go into the cemetery and try to find the grave. > > By the way, I have a feeling that the earlier Millbrook cemetery that was > mentioned as now being completely built over, was actually the graveyard of > the earlier Millbrook parish church of St Nicholas, also long since > demolished. The present parish church, Holy Trinity Millbrook, has its own > graveyard, and the council cemetery called Millbrook Cemetery created in > 1909 is an extension behind the churchyard. > > Cheers, Dave Jacobs > =============== > > At 10:39 29/05/2004, Dorothy Morrissey wrote: > >Hi Dave > > > >If, while avoiding drunks and rats in Millbrook > >Cemetery, you happen to stumble on any Gilleys or > >Lanhams or Shorts, please let me know! Watch your > >footing! > > > >Cheers > > > >Dorothy > > > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > >http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > ______________________________

    06/01/2004 06:11:19
    1. Hampshire Genealogical Society
    2. Hello all Just to let you know that last week, I was appointed Publicity Officer to the HGS and hopefully,with the List Admin permission will post periodically to update you on HGS events, Group Meetings, Membership Benefits and so on. If anyone has any queries, please feel free to contact me at this email address. Take care Tony Knight HGS Web Site: www.hgs-online.org.uk

    06/01/2004 12:18:58
    1. Winbolt/Wimbolt
    2. jan
    3. Hi list, Is anyone researching the surname Winbolt/Wimbolt? I have a Phyllis Winbolt who married Edward King in April 1779 South Stoneham. Regards Jan

    06/01/2004 08:58:42
    1. PERRY / HOSKING
    2. Heather Brown
    3. Hello List, Is anyone researching the name PERRY? The Perry family are living in the same household as my HOSKING family at Westridge Road in 1947. I am trying to work out if there is an connection with these families or if they are just sharing this address? Arthur Perry Ethel M Perry Lilian Perry Also does anyone have an MARJORIE HOSKING in their family line? I have lost her! I know she was still alive in 1959, but can find no record of her death up till the present date. So I am wondering if maybe she had married in her later life after 1959. Many thanks and best wishes Heather Brown (nee Hosking)

    06/01/2004 05:15:03
    1. RE: [ENG-SOU] Re: Millbrook Cemetery
    2. Hi Dave & List Today I ventured to several Southampton cemteries...the Old one on the common just has to take the biscuit...it's even wilder than last year...if anyone wants photo's of 'the norm' up there, let me know off list, then you'll realise just how bizarre it is. S.Stoneham has it's own way of numbering...new to me & Hollybrook just has to be my favourite...so simple & beautiful too...was it Michelle who asked about transcribed records? Contact bereavement services, Bugle St, Southampton, they'll answer your questions best wishes, Debbie >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:39:36 +0100 >From: Dave Jacobs <Dave@Jacobs.net> >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-SOU] Re: Millbrook Cemetery > > >Hi Dorothy and all > >Wandering around cemeteries hoping to stumble across the remains of your > >ancestors is not the recommended way to do your family history, I fear. >What you should really do is contact Southampton Bereavement Services, and > >get the exact cemetery and plot reference from them. >Then, armed with a machete, you go into the cemetery and try to find the >grave. > >By the way, I have a feeling that the earlier Millbrook cemetery that was > >mentioned as now being completely built over, was actually the graveyard >of >the earlier Millbrook parish church of St Nicholas, also long since >demolished. The present parish church, Holy Trinity Millbrook, has its own > >graveyard, and the council cemetery called Millbrook Cemetery created in > >1909 is an extension behind the churchyard. > >Cheers, Dave Jacobs >=============== > >At 10:39 29/05/2004, Dorothy Morrissey wrote: >>Hi Dave >> >>If, while avoiding drunks and rats in Millbrook >>Cemetery, you happen to stumble on any Gilleys or >>Lanhams or Shorts, please let me know! Watch your >>footing! >> >>Cheers >> >>Dorothy >> >>Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >>http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

    05/31/2004 04:48:22
    1. Re: Millbrook Cemetery
    2. Dave Jacobs
    3. Hi Dorothy and all Wandering around cemeteries hoping to stumble across the remains of your ancestors is not the recommended way to do your family history, I fear. What you should really do is contact Southampton Bereavement Services, and get the exact cemetery and plot reference from them. Then, armed with a machete, you go into the cemetery and try to find the grave. By the way, I have a feeling that the earlier Millbrook cemetery that was mentioned as now being completely built over, was actually the graveyard of the earlier Millbrook parish church of St Nicholas, also long since demolished. The present parish church, Holy Trinity Millbrook, has its own graveyard, and the council cemetery called Millbrook Cemetery created in 1909 is an extension behind the churchyard. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 10:39 29/05/2004, Dorothy Morrissey wrote: >Hi Dave > >If, while avoiding drunks and rats in Millbrook >Cemetery, you happen to stumble on any Gilleys or >Lanhams or Shorts, please let me know! Watch your >footing! > >Cheers > >Dorothy > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >http://au.movies.yahoo.com

    05/31/2004 09:39:36
    1. Hollybrook Cemetery
    2. Michelle Cook
    3. Can anyone on the list, please tell me whether Hollybrook Cemetery records have been transcribed. Michelle Cook Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

    05/31/2004 04:57:07
    1. for The Historians, 1941 prices and the diary of a fireman
    2. Chris & Caroline
    3. This may bring back a few memories to the listers that once lived in the UK!! Chris and Caroline LICENCES. MOTOR DRIVER----------------------------- £0. 5s. 0d = [25p] ROAD TAX MOTOR CYCLES --- 150cc ---------------------------------- £0. 17s. 6d =[87 1/2p] 250cc ---------------------------------- £1. 17s. 6d = [£1.87 1/2p] Over------- 250cc ---------------------- £3. 15s. 0d = [£3.75p] MOTOR CYCLE (With trailer or sidecar)---- £1. 5 s. 0d = [£1.25p] DOG LICENCE (renew yearly 31st December) £0. 7s. 6d = [37 1/2p] Dogs under 6 months excempt.] FIRE ARMS To carry a gun or firearm of any description Renew yearly (31st July) ---------------- £0. 10s. 0p = [50p] Persons holding Game Licences, Soldiers, Sailors & Volunteers are exempt. GAME LICENCE renew annually (1st Aug-31st July) £3. 0.0 = [£3.] To Kill from Aug 1st- 31st Oct ---------------- £2. 0. 0 =[£2.] . . . 1st Nov - 31st Jul ----------- £2 .0. 0 = [£2.] To Kill for 14 consecutive days -------------- £1. 0. 0 =[£1] GAMEKEEPERS ----------------------------------- £2. 0. 0 [£2] WIRELESS RECEIVING LICENCE --------------------- £0. 10s =[50p] Registered Blind Free Typical Annual Income was evidently £165 for the 32 year old full time Fireman from the diary of BLAKE. ROBERT CHARLES, Fireman at Horsham. His diary of the war years and the local Horsham Fire Brigade can be read at... http://www.geocities.com/cowdencowden/SUSSEX.html --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.691 / Virus Database: 452 - Release Date: 26/05/2004

    05/30/2004 05:52:24
    1. RE: [ENG-SOU] Southampton Cemeteries
    2. Chris & Caroline
    3. Not much left of Millbrook cemetery now as they moved a lot of the memorials to build a housing estate there!! Mind you some of those that live there, (The estate I mean not the cemetery) are a bit on the undesirable side!! Chris and Caroline -----Original Message----- From: Dave Jacobs [mailto:Dave@Jacobs.net] Sent: 28 May 2004 12:48 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Southampton Cemeteries Hi All Being a man (and only going there in broad daylight) I have no problem visiting Millbrook Cemetery, so if anyone has a plot there they'd like looked at or photographed, I can do that for you. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ============== At 20:07 26/05/2004, el.lsa@lineone.net wrote: >Dear all > >I now have a few requests to look for graves at Stoneham cemetery, & intend >a visit within the next week. If anyone else has a plot they'd like me >to photograph, shout now! >When I made the original offer, it included St Mary Extra, Hollybrook & >Southampton Old cemetery on the common. Millbrook is just to spooky & full >of drunks for me to venture too I'm afraid. >I'm happy to go any of them as long as you can provide the plot details. > The only one that ever gives me any grief is the one on the common. It's >extremely overgrown in places & it's easy to loose your footing & end up >where you don't want to end up in a graveyard!! It's also full of >rats...however, >some areas are accessible & I can probably tell from the plot reference >if it's one I'd be able to get to easily. >Best wishes, >Debbie (Southampton U.K.) > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.691 / Virus Database: 452 - Release Date: 26/05/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.691 / Virus Database: 452 - Release Date: 26/05/2004

    05/28/2004 07:22:44
    1. Re: [ENG-SOU] Street Directory / Confused!
    2. Brian
    3. Heather asked, "...the whole of Welbeck Avenue house numbers are mentioned, but number 7 is missing. Would this mean that the house was longer owned by private residence? It could perhaps mean that the residents of No.7 refused to contribute to the cost of an entry in the Directory, or the house could have been empty. Regards Brian Incoming mail is certified Virus Free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version 6.0.659 Virus Database 449 - Release Date: 18/05/2004

    05/28/2004 01:39:50
    1. Street Directory / Confused!
    2. Heather Brown
    3. Hello List, With the kind help of Sandra and Derek, I was able to place my Hosking family as living at 7 Welbeck Avenue between 1954 till 1969 Well I have now been lucky enough to have purchased the 1974 Kelly's directory and I am surprised to find that the whole of Welbeck Avenue house numbers are mentioned, but number 7 is missing. Would this mean that the house was longer owned by private residence? If anyone would like any names looked up in this directory, then please let me know. Any help would be truly appreciated. Best wishes Heather

    05/28/2004 09:20:39
    1. Re: [ENG-SOU] Southampton Cemeteries
    2. Dave Jacobs
    3. Hi All Being a man (and only going there in broad daylight) I have no problem visiting Millbrook Cemetery, so if anyone has a plot there they'd like looked at or photographed, I can do that for you. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ============== At 20:07 26/05/2004, el.lsa@lineone.net wrote: >Dear all > >I now have a few requests to look for graves at Stoneham cemetery, & intend >a visit within the next week. If anyone else has a plot they'd like me >to photograph, shout now! >When I made the original offer, it included St Mary Extra, Hollybrook & >Southampton Old cemetery on the common. Millbrook is just to spooky & full >of drunks for me to venture too I'm afraid. >I'm happy to go any of them as long as you can provide the plot details. > The only one that ever gives me any grief is the one on the common. It's >extremely overgrown in places & it's easy to loose your footing & end up >where you don't want to end up in a graveyard!! It's also full of >rats...however, >some areas are accessible & I can probably tell from the plot reference >if it's one I'd be able to get to easily. >Best wishes, >Debbie (Southampton U.K.) > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

    05/28/2004 06:48:15
    1. Re: Hill Lane Cemetery
    2. Dave Jacobs
    3. Yes Gordon, This was the first public cemetery in Southampton, and was created out of a section of Southampton Common in 1843 by Act of Parliament. It is variously called Southampton Old Cemetery, Southampton Common Cemetery, and as you have said, Hill Lane Cemetery. There is an entrance from the road called Hill Lane on the west, although the main entrance is at the southeast corner, from Cemetery Road. By whatever name, the records are held by the Bereavement Services Unit of Southampton City Council, and they hold everything on computer. If you contact them they will give you the burial details, including the plot location. This is not to say it will be possible to find any memorial. The whole area has been declared a Site of Special Scientific Interest, which in effect means it has been left to nature, except for a twice a year rough mow. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 07:14 25/05/2004, Gerald Bennett wrote: >Hi Dave: >A relative died in 1915 and was buried in Hill Lane Cemetery. >Does this still exist? >Gerald in Canberra.

    05/28/2004 06:43:37
    1. Southampton Cemeteries
    2. Dear all I now have a few requests to look for graves at Stoneham cemetery, & intend a visit within the next week. If anyone else has a plot they'd like me to photograph, shout now! When I made the original offer, it included St Mary Extra, Hollybrook & Southampton Old cemetery on the common. Millbrook is just to spooky & full of drunks for me to venture too I'm afraid. I'm happy to go any of them as long as you can provide the plot details. The only one that ever gives me any grief is the one on the common. It's extremely overgrown in places & it's easy to loose your footing & end up where you don't want to end up in a graveyard!! It's also full of rats...however, some areas are accessible & I can probably tell from the plot reference if it's one I'd be able to get to easily. Best wishes, Debbie (Southampton U.K.)

    05/26/2004 02:07:20
    1. FW: JUST A SNIPPET
    2. Chris & Caroline
    3. Not Hampshire related but it could well be!! Thought it might interest some of you!! Chris and Caroline From the Lincs list which is full of these things !!!! PRIZES FOR LARGE FAMILIES At the Lincolnshire Agricultural Society's annual show, opened yesterday at Sleaford, prizes were offered to the agricultural labourers who had brought up and placed out the largest numbers of children, without having received parochial relief. The first prize of £4 went to George Farmery, of Hemswell, Lincoln, who had 23 children, 17 of whom were brought up, and 14 placed out. The second prize went to John Elsey, of Lusby, near Spilsby, who had 14 children, 14 of whom were brought up, and 11 placed out. The third prize-winner was William Bell, of Croxby, Caistor, with 14 children born, 11 brought up, and the same number placed out. The five men competing in the class had a total of 78 children. --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 14/05/2004

    05/24/2004 06:15:52
    1. Another Question!
    2. Heather Brown
    3. Hi List, I hope I am not driving you all made with all my questions! If someone remarries, would it have to be stated that his was either a widower or divorcee on his new marriage certificate? I know for sure that the person is one and the same, as his father has quite an unusual name. I have Kenneth W J Hosking who married in 1938 in London. But I also have Kenneth as marring Lillian Viney at Southampton Registrar Office in February 1956. I am also looking for any connection for Lillian Mary VINEY - born 1914 Southampton - (father) Joseph who was a School Master - (mother) ? LYATT. Any help would be truly appreciated. Best wishes Heather Brown (nee Hosking)

    05/24/2004 11:07:31
    1. Fw: For Chris & Caroline
    2. Heather Brown
    3. Sorry about this List! I keep having trouble replying to lister who email address is through Freeserve! I don't know why but its happened a couple times over the last few weeks. Hello Chris & Caroline, Thank you for coming to my rescue once again with your help and advice concerning the cremation. Also I would like to say thank you for your kind offer to look up my family grave, but I am now happy to say that it has been taken care of as one of the kind lister replied straight away after my posting of the message. Thank you once again, your help has been truly appreciated. Best wishes Heather

    05/24/2004 10:53:52
    1. RE: [ENG-SOU] South Stoneham Cemetery
    2. Hello Heather If you e-mail off list, I'd be happy to help with South Stoneham & will take a digital photo for you. I did make this offer on list last year & am happy to visit local cemeteries, but only if the details & plot number are known. As for the Crematorium, I'm not too sure...maybe someone else can help you with that. Best wishes Debbie >-- Original Message -- >From: "Heather Brown" <heatherhosking@blueyonder.co.uk> >Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:36:42 +0100 >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-SOU] South Stoneham Cemetery > > >Hello List, > >Is there any kind lister that lives near South Stoneham Cemetery, and who >would have the time to visit a grave site for me please? > >I have the details and plot number of where my Hosking family members are >buried and would like to see if maybe there is a head stone or anything at >the site. and get a picture of the grave. > >Also I have another Hosking member who was cremated at the Southampton crematorium. >And I have the details stating where his ashes were placed. >When someone is cremated, is there anything / a plaque etc to mark where >his ashes are placed? > >Many thanks and best wishes >Heather Brown (nee Hosking) > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

    05/23/2004 12:13:51