Hi Marion You might try asking the Southampton Archives Dept (email: archives@southampton.gov.uk) if Elizabeth's baptism is in their card index. Other listers may be able to help, and I personally I like to ask a few more questions to see if anything obvious has been missed. Comments interspersed below: ========== At 05:35 01/09/2004, mmcall@execulink.com wrote: >Hi, I am new to this list and wonder if anyone can help me. > >My husband's gggrandmother was Elizabeth Emma Webb, born about 1860 in, we >believe, Southampton. == Is this evidence from a census, maybe? I couldn't find her either as Webb or McCall in the 1881 census. Or is her name from one of her children's birth certificates perhaps, and her age from her marriage certificate? ==== >The only E E Webb I have found was born in 1862 in >Westminster. (Looks like I paid for one I don't need!!) == Found by searching what sources? IGI? FreeBMD? 1837Online/GRO microfiche? Paid for one what? ==== >"Our" Elizabeth Emma's parents are thought to be David & Sarah Webb. == What is the source for this, seeing the family in a census return? Have you looked at the 1871 Southampton Census? If not, why not ask the Southampton Local Studies Library ( E-mail: <mailto:local.studies@southampton.gov.uk>local.studies@southampton.gov.uk ) if they would look in their index? ==== >She got pregnant by and then married David McCall. == Married when and where? Does their marriage certificate say her father was David Webb? What occupation? I see there is a widow Sarah Webb, 61, in Southampton in 1881. ==== >I have the McCalls on the 1881 and 1891 censuses. In 1881 they were in St >Mary Extra. == Which McCalls? I couldn't find any there in 1881, maybe their name has been transcribed wrongly? ==== >By 1891 they were in Scotland. > >Can anyone help me find Elizabeth's birth, and perhaps her family/parents >on the 1871 or 1861 census. I believe that her father was an innkeeper or >similar, so might that help? == If the two sources I mentioned can't help, please feel free to get back to me privately. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ======

Hi, I am new to this list and wonder if anyone can help me. My husband's gggrandmother was Elizabeth Emma Webb, born about 1860 in, we believe, Southampton. The only E E Webb I have found was born in 1862 in Westminster. (Looks like I paid for one I don't need!!) "Our" Elizabeth Emma's parents are thought to be David & Sarah Webb. She got pregnant by and then married David McCall. I have the McCalls on the 1881 and 1891 censuses. In 1881 they were in St Mary Extra. By 1891 they were in Scotland. Can anyone help me find Elizabeth's birth, and perhaps her family/parents on the 1871 or 1861 census. I believe that her father was an innkeeper or similar, so might that help? Many thanks! Marion ---------------------------- Powered by Execulink Webmail http://www.execulink.com/

A while ago somebody was enquiring about LIGHT, WORT and VATCHER Today we visited Burton near Christchurch to take photos and found a War memorial tablet with the names below inscribed: If anyone would like a copy of the photo please let us know and we can forward a copy. WILLIAM GEORGE VATCHER Dorset Regt JOSEPH WORT Hampshire Regt ARTHUR WILLIAM LIGHT Welsh Regt Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/2004

A while ago somebody was enquiring about BRAMBLE Today we visited Sopley near Christchurch to take photos and found a plaque to two BRAMBLE brothers who died during the war. If anyone would like a copy also of the War memorial tablet which also lists BREWER, BURT and CUTLER then please let us know and we can forward a copy. The wording on the BRAMBLE tablet is as follows: QUO FAS ET GLORIA DUCUNT. JOHN BRAMBLE Bombadier R.G.A. aged 24 GERALD HENRY JOSEPH BRAMBLE 2nd Lieut. Hampshire Regiment aged 21. Killed in action July 1916 In proud and loving memory of our two beloved sons who at the call of duty gave their lives for England This tablet is erected by their sorrowing parents "Lovely and pleasant in their lives and in their death they were not divided" Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/2004

I am researching the name HAMMERTON in Southampton/Botley. The earliest mention of the name I have found is Thomas HAMMERTON marrying Ann GILL in 1749 at South Stoneham. They had 5 children. In 1755 a Henry HAMMERTON married Elizabeth PEARCE also at South Stoneham. There are burials in 1796 for Elizabeth and 1810 for Henry in South Stoneham. I have found no children from this marriage. Henry and Thomas were probably brothers. The parish registers of The Jesus Chapel, St Mary Extra, show a marriage for a Henry HAMMERTON of Hound and Martha HINKS. They had children from 1762 to 1764. I have not found a burial entry for Martha or Henry. Is there any way I can find out if this was a bigamous marriage or whether there were 2 different Henry HAMMERTONS? Hope someone has some bright ideas. best wishes Kathryn

As enumerated: RG9/1412/13/20 - Enn(illegible) Villa, Tormoham, Torquay CHESTERMAN - Mary A, servant (in household of Penelope F Trower?), single, 29, Ladys Maid, born Southampton PEACOCK - Elizth, servant single, 21, Ladys Maid, born Southampton RG9/1412/38/16 - No.1, Lauriston Cottage, Tor Hill Rd, Tormoham, Torquay FLEMING - Sarah, servant (in household of Ellen Deane, Professor of Music), unmarried, 48, house servant, born Hants Southampton I'm afraid I am not researching these names, so cannot provide any further information. Sara (I use Archive CD Books for my research)

Hi Chris, I have found a reference to a Joseph Stebbing (rather than Stebbings,) a prominent mathematical and nautical instrument maker who was on the Southampton Borough Council in 1849. In the 1850's he lead a local campaign to maintain Southampton's status as a mail terminal for the Americas, as there were concerns that the extension of the railway lines further to the southwest meant that Southampton would be bypassed and mail would pass through Plymouth and falmouth. To further this claim, the Southampton Chamber of Commerce was formed under the leadership of Joseph Stebbing hope this helps? Martin (sourced from Southampton, an Illustrated History by Adrian Rance)

Has anyone on the list any information on the following STEBBINGS & Co, Nautical Instrument Makers of Canute Road, Southampton from around the 19th Century? They were situated next door to the Sailors Home and a NZ friend is trying to research the company. Any info would be appreciated, we know that a Sidney Frederick STEBBINGS who was the Chief Boot Steward on the Titanic but not sure if he was a part of the same family. Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004

Hello Everybody, Yes there were German prisoners of war at Midanbury, they were building prefabs at the bottom of Mousehole Lane and Vanguard Road. I lived at Wakefield Road as a child and do remember seeing them, I have also checked this with my mother and she confirmed it. Best regards, Syd Hockey. (Southampton)

David, Many thanks for your offer to send me a copy of the map (Ref 4043). I have another address for this family when they were on the other side of the railway in Sidford street, now also gone. I've had a bit of a computer hiccup so as I can not see any reply I might have sent to you I thought I should send again. Regards, John Noakes -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.6.4 - Release Date: 19/08/2004

> Hi Syd, thanks for this info about the POW's definitely being at Midanbury! > : ) I've been thinking about this ever since, and wondering about it. > We lived at Vale Drive, so I know the street names that you mention : ) as > we left there when I was 13 / 14. Also remember the prefabs, and of > course, that would have been what they were working at there, -- I couldn't > for the life of me, think what they would be doing there, - that was the > puzzling part that was causing me to doubt whether they were really POW's > that I saw near the field by the bus stop at the bottom of Mousehole Lane, so > now that explains it! thanks. > There were also prefabs of a different type up in the Rossington Ave area, > (sortoff opposite Highview Way, which was across the field directly behind > us). I had friends living in both Rossington Ave and Highview Way. Also > had friends in Onibury Road. > Am wondering if you know any of the people that I knew in that area. > Alandra, BC Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Syd and Judy Hockey" <syd@sydandjudy.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] POW Camps in Hampshire > > > > > > Hello Everybody, > > Yes there were German prisoners of war at > > Midanbury, they were building prefabs at the bottom of Mousehole Lane and > > Vanguard Road. I lived at Wakefield Road as a child and do remember > seeing > > them, I have also checked this with my mother and she confirmed it. > > Best regards, > > Syd Hockey. (Southampton) > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

As a follow up to the message from Chris and Caroline, towards the end of WW2 there was a POW camp at Thornhill in land adjacent to Kootenay Avenue, near where I lived at the time. The 'inhabitants' were not only Germans but some Italians and I remember they wore brown uniforms with a blue square on their backs. Perhaps that prompts some memories? Rod in Andover.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alandra" <alandra32@telus.net> To: "clargo" <clargo@tinyworld.co.uk> Cc: <[ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] POW Camps in Hampshire > Hi Rod, am sure I recall hearing about/possibly even seeing, some POW's at > Midanbury, Southampton when living there as a young child. There was a > field directly behind our home, and am remembering being told (probably by > other children) that the men we saw, at the bottom of the field near the bus > stops, this group of men had been working there, -- were German POW's, but > don't really remember the colour of their clothing, altho my imagination > tells me it was bright blue. (but maybe I'm thinking of the "demob suits" > colours : ) now you've got me wondering if they really were POW's. > Alandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clargo" <clargo@tinyworld.co.uk> > To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:00 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] POW Camps in Hampshire > > > > As a follow up to the message from Chris and Caroline, towards the end of > > WW2 there was a POW camp at Thornhill in land adjacent to Kootenay Avenue, > > near where I lived at the time. > > The 'inhabitants' were not only Germans but some Italians and I remember > > they wore brown uniforms with a blue square on their backs. > > Perhaps that prompts some memories? > > > > Rod in Andover. > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Yes John, Clifton Terrace ran south from Manchester Street, parallel to Weston Shore Road, in the area south of the railway and Southampton Central Station. Western Shore Road is now Western Esplanade; neither Manchester Street nor Clifton Terrace exist today, the area having been extensively developed in the 1980's. I have a map which I can attach to you if you like, that shows it quite clearly. (Ref 4043). Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 07:35 20/08/2004, John wrote: >Hello List, > >Does anyone know where Clifton Terrace might have been in Southampton in >1888 please? >I have found Clifton Gardens and Clifton Road. I guess the Terrace might >have been in either place but if it is still existing it would now have a >modern address. My ggrandfather used to live there. >He is recorded on the death certificate as a Chapel Keeper. I'm not sure >what this occupation might have been. He reached the age of 57 so as this is >not really old it probably was his job rather than a vocation. > >Regards, >John > > > >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.6.4 - Release Date: 19/08/2004 > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello List, Does anyone know where Clifton Terrace might have been in Southampton in 1888 please? I have found Clifton Gardens and Clifton Road. I guess the Terrace might have been in either place but if it is still existing it would now have a modern address. My ggrandfather used to live there. He is recorded on the death certificate as a Chapel Keeper. I'm not sure what this occupation might have been. He reached the age of 57 so as this is not really old it probably was his job rather than a vocation. Regards, John -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.6.4 - Release Date: 19/08/2004

I have been asked by a non lister if anybody knows of any local historians for the area of Hythe, Hampshire? Hoping somebody can help out, even if its a contact for the Hythe Historians, Chris SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004

Hi Syd OK, I have a city map from the 1890's which shows Winchester Street in Kingsland stretching east to west across the middle of the Kingsland block halfway between North Front and South Front and having exits at both ends, to St Mary's Street and West Front. The area was heavily damaged in WW2 and subsequently redeveloped, but a look at a present day map will show North Front and South Front still in existence, with the block bordered east and west by St Mary's Street and Palmerston Road (was West Front). There is a road in the middle called Winton Street covering part of the stretch where the original Winchester Street was. As you will know, Winton is the ecclesiastical name for Winchester ie the Bishop of Winchester signs hinself 'Winton'. If you'd like me to photograph that part of my old map and send it to you I'll be happy to do so. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 17:10 15/08/2004, Syd and Judy Hockey wrote: >Hello Everybody, > I am trying to find out where WINCHESTER STREET > KINGSLAND SOUTHAMPTON was in the 1880s, Is there anybody with a old map > of SOUTHAMPTON that could help. > Thank you, > Syd Hockey. > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello Everybody, I am trying to find out where WINCHESTER STREET KINGSLAND SOUTHAMPTON was in the 1880s, Is there anybody with a old map of SOUTHAMPTON that could help. Thank you, Syd Hockey.

As enumerated: RG10/1984/55/18: - Kingston Lacy, Abbottstreet, Wimborne Minster WEEKS - Emma, servant (in household of Rosa I Banks), unmarried, 25, servant Ladysmaid, born Hants Southampton RG10/1987/46/39: - Dorset Home, West Street, St James, Poole MURTIN (or MARTIN) - Mary, boarder, 14, scholar at Industrial Home, born Hants Southampton I am not researching htese names, so cannot provide any further information, Sara I use Archive CD Books in my research

There is an excellent website about Prisoner of War camps in the UK during WWII with a lot of information on the German soldiers. The following were all POW camps in Hampshire Setley Plain Brockenhurst Aldershot (GPC) Ganger Camp Romsey East Cams Porchester Fishers, Thedden, alton Southampton Stoneham Eastleigh Parkhouse, Shipton Tidworth Aliwall, North Tidworth Popham, Micheldever Hiltingbury, Chandlers Ford Puckride, Fleet Road Aldershot Whitchurch, Andover Oakhangers, Bordon (PC) Willems, Aldershot Aldershot, Farnham http://www.islandfarm.fsnet.co.uk/LIST%20OF%20UK%20POW%20CAMPS1.htm In case the above link breaks and you cannot get it to work try Tiny URL http://tinyurl.com/54o9u The main page can be found at http://www.islandfarm.fsnet.co.uk/index.html And here can be found stories of escape attempts and much more. Thanks to Ron Dunning for this interesting link Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004