Linda wrote, "The only St Johns I've found in Southampton is in Shirley, but why would they go there with St Mary's on their doorstep?" Hi Linda, The local church, St.Mary's, was the Church of England church, and they were of a different persuasion. As I have explained in another message - the FCE was (and is) a separate denomination from the 'Church of England' - so they got married according to their own beliefs according the rites of the FCE - along with other dissenting bodies this meant the FCE minister had to have a Registrar at the ceremony (as evidenced by his signature on the certificate). Regards Brian Incoming mail is certified Virus Free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version 6.0.767 Virus Database 516 - Release Date: 24/09/2004

Uuummm..... I know little about the Churches, but there still is a St John's infant school opposite the pier...food for thought?? Debbie >-- Original Message -- >From: Rosserl106@aol.com >Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:37:42 EDT >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] posting interests >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi Dave, >I have a photocopy of the marriage cert of COLVERSON/LAKE dated 6 March >1881 >stating ' Marriage solemnized at Saint Johns Free Church of England in the > >District of Southampton in the County of the same town. He was living Chapel > >Road and she was living Melbourne Street ( Saint Mary's area I think?). >Underneath their details it states,' Married in the Saint Johns Free Church > >according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Free Church of England by >Certificate by me, Edwin Boon, minister, William Cox , Registrar. >Do the ministers or registrars names mean anything to you because I haven't > >been able to find this church either. The only St Johns I've found in >Southampton is in Shirley, but why would they go there with St Mary's on >their >doorstep? > >Samuel COLVERSON and Edith LAKE had 9 children I think, my gr grandfather, > >Walter (1881-1961), being the eldest, born only 34 days after they got married!! > >I have found Samuel b1883; william c1886; George c1888; Edith c1890; Ellen > >b1893; Frank b1896; Florence b1898; Beatrice b1900. All born Southampton >and >living Standford Street on 1891 and 1901 census'. > >Just starting to look into this branch of family, interested to see if any > >one else doing the same. > >Thanks for your interest, >Linda > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________________________ Get Tiscali Broadband From £15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/

Dave wrote, "St Johns Free Church of England is a new one on me..." You perhaps need to look under dissenting churches? The Free Church of England (FCE) movement still exists today and is Anglican; there were still 30 FCE churches in 1995. It was formed out of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connextion in 1863 by groups of parishioners who left their parish churches in protest against Ritualism, and was joined in 1873 by the North American Reformed Protestant Episcopal Church. Their first Bishop, Edward Cringe from Canada consecrated two FCE presbyters in 1876 and all FCE bishops are in this succession. "The Free Church of England: Introduction to an Anglican Tradition" (T&T Clark; ISBN 0-5670-8443-7 by the Revd. Dr. John Fenwick was published earlier this year. There may well be something on Google too. Regards Brian Incoming mail is certified Virus Free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version 6.0.767 Virus Database 516 - Release Date: 24/09/2004

Hi Dave, I have a photocopy of the marriage cert of COLVERSON/LAKE dated 6 March 1881 stating ' Marriage solemnized at Saint Johns Free Church of England in the District of Southampton in the County of the same town. He was living Chapel Road and she was living Melbourne Street ( Saint Mary's area I think?). Underneath their details it states,' Married in the Saint Johns Free Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Free Church of England by Certificate by me, Edwin Boon, minister, William Cox , Registrar. Do the ministers or registrars names mean anything to you because I haven't been able to find this church either. The only St Johns I've found in Southampton is in Shirley, but why would they go there with St Mary's on their doorstep? Samuel COLVERSON and Edith LAKE had 9 children I think, my gr grandfather, Walter (1881-1961), being the eldest, born only 34 days after they got married!! I have found Samuel b1883; william c1886; George c1888; Edith c1890; Ellen b1893; Frank b1896; Florence b1898; Beatrice b1900. All born Southampton and living Standford Street on 1891 and 1901 census'. Just starting to look into this branch of family, interested to see if any one else doing the same. Thanks for your interest, Linda

Hi Dave, It's the usual problem - I can go back from these brothers-sisters to their parents and grandparents, but I have no details of any marriages, sons or daughters that they may have had. I am wondering if (as happened on the Gulliver side) any listers ie long lost cousins, might recognise these amongst their Aunts/uncles,granparents. Regards martin

Further to Dave's posting here are my name interests in & around the Southampton area: DOEL & variants HINKS BLAXALL RICKMAN CULLEN TRAVERS HARWOOD HARDING Thanks and best wishes Tara

Hi Martin Do you have any particular queries that someone might be able to pursue for you, or as you suggest, are you only keen to contact related researchers? Cheers, Dave Jacobs ============== At 09:24 24/09/2004, MartinGulliver@aol.com wrote: >Hi List, > >In response to Dave's plea for some action on this list, I am reposting my >interests, this time on my maternal side... > >James Frederick HICKS (13/3/1869 - 30/3/) >Susan TUCKER (1/2/1868 - 17/6/1944) >James Frederick TUCKER (18/1/1870 - 30/6/1948) >Ada Lucretia TUCKER (7/11/1894 - 9/11/1963) >Edgar Moon TUCKER (18/8/1877 - 7/5/1932) >Laurence Roberts TUCKER (17/7/1880 - ?) > >If any of these feature in anyone else's research, I would love to hear from >them so I can fill in some gaps re offspring. > >Regards > >Martin Gulliver > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Linda St Johns Free Church of England is a new one on me, could you say where it is please? I thought I knew all the Southampton churches, but maybe it's elsewhere some place? Do you have any particular facts you are trying to discover, or just hoping a relative will see your note and contact you/ Cheers anyway,. Dave Jacobs ===================== At 13:50 24/09/2004, Rosserl106@aol.com wrote: >Hi list, these are my current Southampton interests, >COLVERSON- Samuel: (1861-1935), ( born Alverstoke, lived and died >Southampton) >LAKE- Edith: (1862- 1933),(Born Dorchester, lived and died Southampton) >THRESHER- Jessie (1857-?)Born Southampton > >Samuel and Edith married 6/3/1881, (St Johns Free Church of England). >especially interested in their children, one of which, Walter (1881- 1961) >was my gr grandfather. > >Linda > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi list, these are my current Southampton interests, COLVERSON- Samuel: (1861-1935), ( born Alverstoke, lived and died Southampton) LAKE- Edith: (1862- 1933),(Born Dorchester, lived and died Southampton) THRESHER- Jessie (1857-?)Born Southampton Samuel and Edith married 6/3/1881, (St Johns Free Church of England). especially interested in their children, one of which, Walter (1881- 1961) was my gr grandfather. Linda

Hi Maureen, thanks for that - my Tuckers come from Bawdrip in Somerset originally so they are certainly west country. Do any of the names tie up with yours at all? Martin In a message dated 24/09/2004 10:48:30 GMT Standard Time, Carsonedcarson1@hotmail.com writes: Hi Martin I have a Tucker Family from Warminster in Wiltshire in the early 1800s. If that is any help. Maureen - davidsonmaureen@hotmail.com

Hi List, In response to Dave's plea for some action on this list, I am reposting my interests, this time on my maternal side... James Frederick HICKS (13/3/1869 - 30/3/) Susan TUCKER (1/2/1868 - 17/6/1944) James Frederick TUCKER (18/1/1870 - 30/6/1948) Ada Lucretia TUCKER (7/11/1894 - 9/11/1963) Edgar Moon TUCKER (18/8/1877 - 7/5/1932) Laurence Roberts TUCKER (17/7/1880 - ?) If any of these feature in anyone else's research, I would love to hear from them so I can fill in some gaps re offspring. Regards Martin Gulliver

Dear Ed and Alandra Both your new messages arrived safely, and I have checked that you are on the ENG-SOUTHAMPTON list. I guess nobody has been sending any messages to our list lately. So come on people, somebody must have some ancestors from Southampton that they want to investigate, or why are you here? Let's see those queries rolling in. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 22:26 23/09/2004, Ed " Mush " Carson wrote: >Dear Southampton Page, I have not recieved any Email from 'Southampton >rootsweb' for the last three days or so. Has my name been accidentley >deleted from your list? Please will you re-instate my subscription and >confirm? Thanking you kindly, best regards, EDWARD > >_________________________________________________________________ >There's never been a better time to get Xtra JetStream @ >http://xtra.co.nz/jetstream > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dear Southampton Page, I have not recieved any Email from 'Southampton rootsweb' for the last three days or so. Has my name been accidentley deleted from your list? Please will you re-instate my subscription and confirm? Thanking you kindly, best regards, EDWARD _________________________________________________________________ There’s never been a better time to get Xtra JetStream @ http://xtra.co.nz/jetstream

Hi Ed Mush C, the same thing happened to me with several of my genealogy lists, a couple weeks ago, no idea why. And come to think of it, haven't rec'd any mail lately from this list either, so maybe it's gone the same way. Alandra please visit my photo "gallery" at http://www.thelensflare.com/u_alandrapal.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Mush Carson" <edcarson1@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: [ENG-SOU] Please re-instate > Dear Southampton Page, I have not recieved any Email from 'Southampton > rootsweb' for the last three days or so. Has my name been accidentley > deleted from your list? Please will you re-instate my subscription and > confirm? Thanking you kindly, best regards, EDWARD > > _________________________________________________________________ > There's never been a better time to get Xtra JetStream @ > http://xtra.co.nz/jetstream > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello everybody, Now that mush appears to have been given the push we would all probably like to know the maiden surname of the fiery Romany. Perhaps Edward is willing to let us all into the secret? Rod in Andover.

Hi Brian You are right of course, that the term 'phonetic alphabet' commonly refers to the Alpha Bravo stuff. However, my Shorter Oxford Dictionary (1962), in the Introduction, has a section 3: 'The pronunciation is noted within round brackets by means of a phonetic alphabet, ...' Unfortunately I do not seem to have a code page on my PC that has this alphabet. Thanks for the correction though. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ============== At 09:07 19/09/2004, Brian wrote: >Dave wrote, "Alandra's note points out the problems of trying to demonstrate >pronunciation without access to (even with knowledge of) the phonetic >alphabet." > >Hi Dave, > >At first I couldn't see how this had anything to do with knowledge of, or >ignorance of, the phonetic alphabet. In fact I thought the word you were >looking for was phonemics. <grin> > >I had always thought that the phonetic alphabet was to enable clarity of, >for example, acronyms in speech. It has changed several times over the years >and over the organisation using it, but possibly the most common version now >starts Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta etc. > >However I see that there is a significant difference between 'phonetic >alphabet' and 'phonetic spelling' which is new to me - so learn something >new every day, eh?? :-) > >Regards >Brian > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) >Version 6.0.766 Virus Database 513 - Release Date: 17/09/2004

Hi Debbie Possibly Southampton Archives may have some information, although I'm not sure about that. But for certain, the Hampshire Record Office can help, as they have copies of the National Probate Index there. Just give them the name and the year, and ask nicely. archives@southampton.gov.uk http://www.hants.gov.uk/record-office/services/enquiry.html Good hunting! Dave Jacobs ========= At 16:42 19/09/2004, Debbie Haines wrote: >Hello Listers > >Does anyone know who I would have to contact to find out if a will was made >by a person who died in Southampton about 1933? > >kind regards > >Debbie Blackburn >Tamworth >Staffs > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I saw a query for the name TERRY on the list last week and have just found these in some notes I made a while ago for my neighbour: St Mary's baptism register, Southampton #2326 18 October 1826 Mary d/o William & Mary Young TERREY Charlotte Place steward of the Camilla Steam Vessel Samuel Kent, Curate (the Camilla was a ferry that ran between Southampton and the Isle of Wight. Many men from Dibden / Hythe way worked on the ferries). 1818 voters list Robert TERRY gentleman best wishes Jo

This is a new site with thousands of names etc from all the countries who took part in OPERATION MARKET GARDEN the airborne landing at Arnheim 60 years ago this week. http://www.marketgarden.com/new/dbase.php Unfortunately the search box does not go to a surname but to the start of the list in the British section. The links on the side may not highlight but they do work. A wonderful laid out website, turn up the sound to listen to the background music. There are many names that are associated with postings on the lists. Chris --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004

Hello Listers Does anyone know who I would have to contact to find out if a will was made by a person who died in Southampton about 1933? kind regards Debbie Blackburn Tamworth Staffs