We took a trip over to Nursling for you on Saturday but could find nothing about the farm, asked several of the older locals but no one had heard of it. Did also try to find a local historian but afraid he was out. Best to contact the link John Parker sent to you. This link to the Local History Society which I know has a Nursling and Rownhams branch might help. http://www.hants.gov.uk/istcclr/cch02752.html Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004

This link to the Local History Society which I know has a Nursling and Rownhams branch might help. http://www.hants.gov.uk/istcclr/cch02752.html Regards, John Parker Romsey, Hampshire, England E-mail: ParkerFamHist@aol.com

Hi Barbara, I have this in my database if it's any use to you: St Mary 11 Jun 1854 baptism Selina d/o Robert & Elizabeth THOMAS 25 James Street plasterer ( born 8 May 1854 ) taken from the card index in Southampton archives I have a fairly comprehensive list of THOMAS's for Southampton going back to the late 1700's if I can help you or anyone else. Best wishes Jo

My grandfather was Arthur Johnston TUCK, b 1878, son of Alfred Charles TUCK, b 1851, and Selina THOMAS b 1854. My grandmother was Emily Adelaide Mary BOND, b 1878, daughter of James Daniel BOND, b 1852, and Emily Agnes BERRY, b 1854. Alfred Tuck was born in Christchurch and the others were all born in Southampton. I would love to hear from anyone else researching these families. Barbara

Hello Elaine I would think that Southampton Archives would be able to tell you about any information they have on this farm. You can email them at archives@southampton.gov.uk Much depends on the dates your ancestors lived there, so make sure you include that in your query to them. Your mention of Manors seems to suggest medieval times, but someone staying there in WW2 gives a quite different story! Another useful place to contact would be Southampton Central Library local studies section. They have various local Directories, so can look up the name of the farmer of that farm for various years from say 1840-ish. E-mail: <mailto:local.studies@southampton.gov.uk>local.studies@southampton.gov.uk Good hunting! Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 14:02 01/10/2004, Elaine wrote: >Hi, I've been seeing requests for info on various Manors etc. My Henry >YOUNG/Susan WILKES lived at Nutfield Farm, Nursling and were market >gardners. Would anyone be able to give me more info on this property? >Do you have land locations like lot #s or something like that? Would there >be somewhere to see about pictures or land records? My YOUNG inlaws said >the farm was gone and it was a senior retirement complex in 1975 when they >were there to visit. My father-in-law spent quite a lot of time there when >he was in WW11. I have a picture during the war that shows the driveway >going into the yard but has quite a few trees so can't see the house. What >is there now? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi, I've been seeing requests for info on various Manors etc. My Henry YOUNG/Susan WILKES lived at Nutfield Farm, Nursling and were market gardners. Would anyone be able to give me more info on this property? Do you have land locations like lot #s or something like that? Would there be somewhere to see about pictures or land records? My YOUNG inlaws said the farm was gone and it was a senior retirement complex in 1975 when they were there to visit. My father-in-law spent quite a lot of time there when he was in WW11. I have a picture during the war that shows the driveway going into the yard but has quite a few trees so can't see the house. What is there now? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Hi List, I have recently discovered that on of my ancestors lived in Ivy Villa, The Avenue, Southampton back in 1881. Does anyone know anything about this house? I imagine it is long gone but I would love to hear any details or history of it. Regards Martin

Hi Rosemary Why not email Southampton Archives? archives@southampton.gov.uk Let me know if they can't help, but as they have all the original parish registers they should be able to! Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 17:14 29/09/2004, rosemary.jackson1@tesco.net wrote: >Dave, >Is there anywhere I can obtain information from Parish Records for the >Southampton area? I am searching for the marriage and birth of James >Hancock Darley, b. c.1800 and married to Frances ? c.1820. He was a >painter (decorator) as were the sons of the next two generations. I >believe them to have lived in the St. Mary's District. >Rosemary >Essex > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dave, Is there anywhere I can obtain information from Parish Records for the Southampton area? I am searching for the marriage and birth of James Hancock Darley, b. c.1800 and married to Frances ? c.1820. He was a painter (decorator) as were the sons of the next two generations. I believe them to have lived in the St. Mary's District. Rosemary Essex

Hi Jamie Various possible families appear on the 1851...no Ann though...any other known siblings to (William) Thomas Butt? There is one aged 6, shown as William. If you want further details on this family, let me know. Debbie >-- Original Message -- >Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:11:22 +0100 >From: Dave Jacobs <Dave@Jacobs.net> >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-SOU] BUTT, etc > > >Hi Jamie > >I hope you get a reply from someone who has done this family already, but > >be aware that as this list has only a hundred or so members, the chances > >must be fairly low. > >On the other hand, there are people here who can help with your research. >For instance, if you can locate (William) Thomas Butt in the 1851 census > >aged about 7, he should be with his family, which should solve the father's > >name problem, and also point to his birthplace and date. > >Or there are many other things that could be done, if you can formulate a > >fairly clear question. > >Cheers and good luck > >Dave Jacobs >========= > >At 13:51 25/09/2004, jamie.butt7@ntlworld.com wrote: >>Hi List, >> >>In response to Dave's note, my surname interests (in Southampton) are; >> >>PATERNAL LINEAGE (starting at g parents) >> >>Arthur Stanley BUTT (b Southampton 1916 - 1977) married Christine Daisy > >>JOHN (Haverford West, Wales) >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Thomas William BUTT (1869 - 1847) b.Simnel Street Southampton >>army background possibly based at the Royal Citadel, St Andrews Plymouth > >>during 1891 and married >>Emma Horn STRIDE (c1880 - c1943). Father was Edward. Possibly living in > >>Derby road in 1891 >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Son of >>(William) Thomas BUTT (1843 - c1900) b.Southampton? Ann CROSBY (1842 - ?)) > >>Ibsley, Ringwood, Hants >>and possibly remarried >>Lavina MASON / NORMAN (widower / divorcee?) >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Son of >>Can't accurately determine parents but may be George (1825) or William. > >>May have lived in Horton Heath >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>MATERNAL LINEAGE >> >>James William VEAL (org REID) married Eliza Ann DEWEY >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Other surnames; >>CONWAY (West Country) >>BRITTEN (Glous) >>INGS (Southampton) >> >>Cheers > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________________________ Get Tiscali Broadband From £15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/

Hi Jamie I hope you get a reply from someone who has done this family already, but be aware that as this list has only a hundred or so members, the chances must be fairly low. On the other hand, there are people here who can help with your research. For instance, if you can locate (William) Thomas Butt in the 1851 census aged about 7, he should be with his family, which should solve the father's name problem, and also point to his birthplace and date. Or there are many other things that could be done, if you can formulate a fairly clear question. Cheers and good luck Dave Jacobs ========= At 13:51 25/09/2004, jamie.butt7@ntlworld.com wrote: >Hi List, > >In response to Dave's note, my surname interests (in Southampton) are; > >PATERNAL LINEAGE (starting at g parents) > >Arthur Stanley BUTT (b Southampton 1916 - 1977) married Christine Daisy >JOHN (Haverford West, Wales) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Thomas William BUTT (1869 - 1847) b.Simnel Street Southampton >army background possibly based at the Royal Citadel, St Andrews Plymouth >during 1891 and married >Emma Horn STRIDE (c1880 - c1943). Father was Edward. Possibly living in >Derby road in 1891 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Son of >(William) Thomas BUTT (1843 - c1900) b.Southampton? Ann CROSBY (1842 - ?)) >Ibsley, Ringwood, Hants >and possibly remarried >Lavina MASON / NORMAN (widower / divorcee?) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Son of >Can't accurately determine parents but may be George (1825) or William. >May have lived in Horton Heath >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >MATERNAL LINEAGE > >James William VEAL (org REID) married Eliza Ann DEWEY >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Other surnames; >CONWAY (West Country) >BRITTEN (Glous) >INGS (Southampton) > >Cheers

Hi Tara I certainly hope you find someone to whom you are related through one of these names. On the other hand, if you care to ask any specific questions relating to some brick wall, there are people on the list who may well be able to help with any research - if that should be what you want. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 11:02 25/09/2004, TazDoel@aol.com wrote: >Further to Dave's posting here are my name interests in & around the >Southampton area: > >DOEL & variants >HINKS >BLAXALL >RICKMAN >CULLEN >TRAVERS >HARWOOD >HARDING > >Thanks and best wishes >Tara > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Linda wrote, "Thanks for everyone's interest in this, but the minister was Edwin BOON." Hi, Yep, sorry - probably my mistake - Edwin J. Boon it is, and he has been discovered living in Southampton in the 1881 census by Lynda Ahmad who kindly looked him up, and he is described as a Free Church of England minister - all OK so far - however the point of all this is to locate the position of his church for Dave Jacobs (and presumably for Linda ), and I guess for me too now we've got this far!!! Soooo has anyone got a directory of the period (1880s) in which the Free Church of England chapel (or whatever) is listed under "Places of Worship" which gives its location, please??? Regards Brian Incoming mail is certified Virus Free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version 6.0.767 Virus Database 516 - Release Date: 24/09/2004

Hi Linda I think the problem of St John's Free church has been solved now, but if you have any particular questions on events in the lives of the Colverson family, I'm sure there are people on this list who can help. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 20:37 25/09/2004, Rosserl106@aol.com wrote: >Hi Dave, >I have a photocopy of the marriage cert of COLVERSON/LAKE dated 6 March >1881 stating ' Marriage solemnized at Saint Johns Free Church of England >in the District of Southampton in the County of the same town. He was >living Chapel Road and she was living Melbourne Street ( Saint Mary's area >I think?). >Underneath their details it states,' Married in the Saint Johns Free >Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Free Church of England >by Certificate by me, Edwin Boon, minister, William Cox , Registrar. >Do the ministers or registrars names mean anything to you because I >haven't been able to find this church either. The only St Johns I've found >in Southampton is in Shirley, but why would they go there with St Mary's >on their doorstep? > >Samuel COLVERSON and Edith LAKE had 9 children I think, my gr grandfather, >Walter (1881-1961), being the eldest, born only 34 days after they got >married!! I have found Samuel b1883; william c1886; George c1888; Edith >c1890; Ellen b1893; Frank b1896; Florence b1898; Beatrice b1900. All born >Southampton and living Standford Street on 1891 and 1901 census'. > >Just starting to look into this branch of family, interested to see if any >one else doing the same. > >Thanks for your interest, >Linda

Dear List I have discovered a little more on this subject, as follows: St John's school near the pier is right by the site of the original St John's parish church. St John's church was demolished in the 17th Century, and the parish amalgamated with the adjoining parish of St Lawrence. Both were original Southampton town parishes inside the medieval walls, the others being St Michaels, Holy Rood and All Saints. The big parish of St Mary's is actually outside the walls, to the east. As the population grew, St Mary's parish was subdivided, new parish churches being: Holy Trinity, about 1828. Destroyed in WW2 bombing St Lukes Newtown, about 1852, now a Sikh Gurdwara Christ Church Northam, about 1854 St James, Bernard St (known as St James in the Docks) about 1857. Destroyed in WW2, rebuilt after but now the Greek Orthodox church of St Nicholas. St Matthews, St Mary's Road, about 1869, demolished for development about 1970 Now for the real news: according to Sylvester Davies' History of Southampton, one of the many nonconformist churches was : St John's Free Church, Clifford Street. This congregation was formed about 1872, pastor Rev E J Boon. Interestingly to me, we lived in a flat in Clifford Street for a few months after our marriage in 1958, although I have no recollection of a Free Church at that time. This is only a few yards from where Holy Trinity church had stood until its destruction in 1940, and less than half a mile from St Mary's church. All the area around Clifford Street was extensively redeveloped in the 1960-70s. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================= At 22:03 25/09/2004, el.lsa@lineone.net wrote: >Uuummm..... I know little about the Churches, but there still is a St John's >infant school opposite the pier...food for thought?? >Debbie > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: Rosserl106@aol.com > >Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:37:42 EDT > >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] posting interests > >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Hi Dave, > >I have a photocopy of the marriage cert of COLVERSON/LAKE dated 6 March > >1881 > >stating ' Marriage solemnized at Saint Johns Free Church of England in >the > > > >District of Southampton in the County of the same town. He was living Chapel > > > >Road and she was living Melbourne Street ( Saint Mary's area I think?). > >Underneath their details it states,' Married in the Saint Johns Free Church > > > >according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Free Church of England by > > >Certificate by me, Edwin Boon, minister, William Cox , Registrar. > >Do the ministers or registrars names mean anything to you because I haven't > > > >been able to find this church either. The only St Johns I've found in > >Southampton is in Shirley, but why would they go there with St Mary's on > >their > >doorstep? > > > >Samuel COLVERSON and Edith LAKE had 9 children I think, my gr grandfather, > > > >Walter (1881-1961), being the eldest, born only 34 days after they got >married!! > > > >I have found Samuel b1883; william c1886; George c1888; Edith c1890; Ellen > > > >b1893; Frank b1896; Florence b1898; Beatrice b1900. All born Southampton > >and > >living Standford Street on 1891 and 1901 census'. > > > >Just starting to look into this branch of family, interested to see if >any > > > >one else doing the same. > > > >Thanks for your interest, > >Linda > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ >Get Tiscali Broadband From £15:99 >http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/ > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In the 1915 Kellys a St John's Mission Room was listed at French Street. Nothing on Edwin Brown listed on the 1881 census under religious trades. But anyone have any idea what a Post Boy (cbmn) was, the cbmn is the bit we are unsure of. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:beejaycave@btinternet.com] Sent: 26 September 2004 12:35 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Re: Free Church of England Dave wrote, "But I was really asking (forgive me if I was not clear about this) is, WHERE IS IT?" Ah, right - what is needed then is a Southampton Directory for the 1880s. St.John's Free Church should appear under "Places of Worship". Can anyone oblige? Or alternatively the minister, Edwin Brown, should also be listed. I've had a look at the only directory I have which is dated 1914/15 and it doesn't appear there I'm afraid. Regards Brian --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004

If it's any help the1881 Census transcript shows Edwin J. Boon (Free Church of England Minister) living at Ellora Cott., Oxford Road, St Mary, Southampton with his family. Regards, Lynda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" <beejaycave@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Re: Free Church of England > Dave wrote, "But I was really asking (forgive me if I was not clear about > this) is, WHERE IS IT?" > > Ah, right - what is needed then is a Southampton Directory for the 1880s. > St.John's Free Church should appear under "Places of Worship". Can anyone > oblige? > > Or alternatively the minister, Edwin Brown, should also be listed. > > I've had a look at the only directory I have which is dated 1914/15 and it > doesn't appear there I'm afraid. > > Regards > Brian

Dave wrote, "But I was really asking (forgive me if I was not clear about this) is, WHERE IS IT?" Ah, right - what is needed then is a Southampton Directory for the 1880s. St.John's Free Church should appear under "Places of Worship". Can anyone oblige? Or alternatively the minister, Edwin Brown, should also be listed. I've had a look at the only directory I have which is dated 1914/15 and it doesn't appear there I'm afraid. Regards Brian Incoming mail is certified Virus Free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version 6.0.767 Virus Database 516 - Release Date: 24/09/2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <Dave@Jacobs.net> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: [ENG-SOU] Re: Free Church of England

Thanks for everyones interest in this, but the minister was Edwin BOON. linda

Thanks Brian. No doubt your information is absolutely correct. But I was really asking (forgive me if I was not clear about this) is, WHERE IS IT? The original writer did not say, but I assume because it was addressed to the Southampton list, that it is somewhere in this area. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 18:17 25/09/2004, Brian wrote: >Dave wrote, "St Johns Free Church of England is a new one on me..." > >You perhaps need to look under dissenting churches? > >The Free Church of England (FCE) movement still exists today and is >Anglican; there were still 30 FCE churches in 1995. > >It was formed out of the Countess of Huntingdon's Connextion in 1863 by >groups of parishioners who left their parish churches in protest against >Ritualism, and was joined in 1873 by the North American Reformed Protestant >Episcopal Church. Their first Bishop, Edward Cringe from Canada consecrated >two FCE presbyters in 1876 and all FCE bishops are in this succession. > >"The Free Church of England: Introduction to an Anglican Tradition" (T&T >Clark; ISBN 0-5670-8443-7 by the Revd. Dr. John Fenwick was published >earlier this year. > >There may well be something on Google too. > >Regards >Brian > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) >Version 6.0.767 Virus Database 516 - Release Date: 24/09/2004