I am searching for someone who knows of the Elizabeth Legg[e] who married James Nelson of Essex at the church of St. Thomas in Portsmouth in 1688. My Essex Nelsons may also be connected to several other Hampshire families, e.g. Clayton/Claydon, Harris, and Andrew[e]s. There seems to be a Yorkshire connection with some of these families. My Nelsons came to East Anglia via Cumbria, Lancashire and Cambridgeshire. I will appreciate any help you might be able to offer. Jack Nelson Lexington, Kentucky USA quilp@insightbb.com

I am searching for anyone who knows the Legg[e] family and in particular the Elizabeth Legg[e] who married James Nelson of Essex in 1688 at the church of St. Thomas in Portsmouth. Also, I find to my amazement several families connected in some way to my Essex Nelsons, e.g. Clayton/Claydon, Harris, and Andrew[e]s. There seems to be a Yorkshire connection as well with some of these families. My Nelsons came originally to East Anglia via Cumbria, Lancashire and Cambridgeshire. Thank you for any any help you might be able to offer. Jack Nelson Lexington, KentuckyUSA quilp@insightbb.com

Yes, Dave, I was also shouting at the TV about having to get the birth certificate for the name of the mother! I was also concerned that the impression was given at one point that actual certificates are available to view online - if only (sigh). However, overall, I did find the programme interesting, at times moving, and also unnerving - a close relative underwent ECT treatment years ago, and the depiction of that in the film, in respect of Bill's mother, was quite upsetting as I realised what my relative had undergone - horrible. I think the BBC2 show was designed for entertainment, and the BBC3 (or was it 4?) one for instruction - which of course, won't have been accessible to those without digital TV! I was very pleased to see that the programme earned BBC2 twice the usual numbers of viewers than usual for that time-slot, and only 700,000 fewer viewers than the programme on ITV1 at the same time, not bad for a minority channel. And if people think the BBC is in trouble, what does that statisitic say about ITV?! Best wishes, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jacobs" <Dave@Jacobs.net> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: BBC 2's "Who do you think you are" series, No 1 > Hi Listers > I found the Bill Oddie program mildly interesting, obviously not expecting > to learn anything new regarding the pursuit of Family History, but prepared > to be interested in what Bill found out. After all, I expect people to be > interested while boring them with my fascinating finds! > A couple of items annoyed me though; one was Bill finding his hitherto > unknown third cousin who had 'done' the Oddie family, and Bill not thinking > of doing any checking of those findings himself. Surely we have all learnt > never to take other peoples work for granted? > But the other thing really incensed me, and that was when Bill Oddie > collected the Death Certificate for his ill-fated sister, and was scathing > about the fact that she was only named as the daughter of Bill's > father. He went on to criticise the times for ignoring mothers and > treating them as baby making machines, etc. I was shouting at him to get > the birth certificate before making such remarks, and also for goodness > sake learn what the contents of a death certificate are supposed to be. > Obviously the informant was the father, and the only family history > information asked for on the certificate was the relationship of the > deceased to the informant, which was stated clearly and accurately. Why > somebody didn't put Bill Oddie right on this I can't imagine, unless it was > deliberate to stir women's-lib type emotions. > > Dave Jacobs > > ______________________________

People have had a problem accessing the link we put up for STRANGE BRITAIN. The reason is for some unknown reason the email produced two URLs joined together! It was okay this end when I sent it as just checked so try http://tinyurl.com/5cj7n for the first link and http://tinyurl.com/486hv for the second If the second fails got to STRANGE BRITAIN HOME PAGE and look for USEFUL LINKS on right hand side Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004

Rosi is quite right, in that the indexing of 1837online has been tremendously improved. Now one only has to look at one page per quarter, as the page offered is that which must contain the full name you have entered. I tried this yesterday before an explanatory email arrived, and was very pleasantly surprised. Not that I found what I was searching for of course! But at least my failure was a lot cheaper. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 07:39 14/10/2004, rosi woods wrote: >I recorded the Bill Oddie prog as I am interested in >Genealogy but my other 'hobby' is bird-watching! I >have read so many different reviews of it on the >various lists I belong to that I can't wait to find >the time to watch it! > >I had a newsletter from 1837 on-line today telling me >that I will waste less money in future as I can search >for full surname instead of first 3 letters. I have >yet to try this but it sounds like a big improvement >as I spent ££££££££££ last time looking for one entry! > >Rosi Woods (GUY,GOSS,DELARA,DELAINE,DEDAMESS,WEBB,HENSON) > >===== > >Rosi > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >==== HAMPSHIRE Mailing List ==== >A genealogist NEVER dies he just grows more roots

Dave wrote, "I was shouting at him to get the birth certificate before making such remarks..." You and me both Dave. I also thought it a bit stupid to take his cousin's work for granted, and the way that particular portion of the tree was depicted. Way back in 1979 the BBC did it much better! Gordon Honeycombe (a popular author and broadcaster of the period) traced his family tree back to the 17th century in a series of programmes, which covered almost all aspects of family history - in the days before home computers, so it was all hands-on research! A book was produced by Don Steel to accompany the programmes - I still have a copy, and still use it for ideas! "Discovering Your Family History", BBC 1980, ISBN 0-563-16286-4 is well worth buying if it can be found in the second-hand book market. Regards Brian Incoming mail is certified Virus Free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version 6.0.775 Virus Database 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004

As Hilary says, it is a marvelous feeling, being able to see and touch these very old documents. It is very hard to convey the thrill one gets on such rare occasions, and we must all feel sorry for those people too far away to be able to have the same experience. One man I was researching was a Naval officer transferred to HMS Beagle in 1836, and I recall the feelings so vividly, of holding the actual ship's muster in my hand, opening it at the page for Supernumeries, and seeing five names there, headed by Charles Darwin, naturalist, and ending with my subject, John Edward Davis, assistant master. Incidentally, a later find was a testimonial to John E Davis written by Captain Fitzroy, which landed John Davis with a plum job on James Clark Ross's expedition to the Antarctic. Such glamorous finds have unfortunately so far eluded me in researching my own humble family! Dave Jacobs ========= At 17:01 12/10/2004, hilary gadsby wrote: >Regarding using original documents. I recently visited HRO and because we >could not find the relevant microfiche for what I suspected was a will of >one of my ancestors I was permitted to see the original. >I now have a copy of that will and it is much clearer than those I copied >from the fiche. >It was a great thrill seeing the original of a will written in 1719 almost >300 years ago. >Well worth the 500 mile round trip. >one happy researcher >Hilary

just wanted to let you know about this project (from www.thisissouthampton.co.uk) STAFF at Southampton City Council's Archaeology Unit and the Library Service have joined forces to help the Southampton's Museums Archaeological Society to record the City's vanishing Victorian Heritage. Members of the society are making a photographic record of every building that was in Southampton in 1870 and still survives today. Using maps of 1870 provided by the Special Collections Unit of the Central Library, local people are pounding their streets photographing the buildings that were shown on the old maps and can still be seen today. The first phase of the project has been completed and the buildings in Freemantle, Sholing, Highfield and Woolston have been recorded. Some 593 photographs and negatives have been handed over to the library who will be making them available over the Internet via the Plimsoll website in the coming months. Each photograph has been allocated a grid reference from the Archaeology Unit's digital maps so researchers will be able to pinpoint specific buildings. Linda & Tony

Hi Listers I found the Bill Oddie program mildly interesting, obviously not expecting to learn anything new regarding the pursuit of Family History, but prepared to be interested in what Bill found out. After all, I expect people to be interested while boring them with my fascinating finds! A couple of items annoyed me though; one was Bill finding his hitherto unknown third cousin who had 'done' the Oddie family, and Bill not thinking of doing any checking of those findings himself. Surely we have all learnt never to take other peoples work for granted? But the other thing really incensed me, and that was when Bill Oddie collected the Death Certificate for his ill-fated sister, and was scathing about the fact that she was only named as the daughter of Bill's father. He went on to criticise the times for ignoring mothers and treating them as baby making machines, etc. I was shouting at him to get the birth certificate before making such remarks, and also for goodness sake learn what the contents of a death certificate are supposed to be. Obviously the informant was the father, and the only family history information asked for on the certificate was the relationship of the deceased to the informant, which was stated clearly and accurately. Why somebody didn't put Bill Oddie right on this I can't imagine, unless it was deliberate to stir women's-lib type emotions. Dave Jacobs

From ENG-WILTS list -----Original Message----- From: Lynne [mailto:lklein@mindspring.com] Sent: 12 October 2004 16:41 On the National Archives web site, a very interesting section: "Family History: Victorian Prisoners Photograph Albums." TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/52dvf Perhaps some of you will find an ancestor! --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004

Regarding using original documents. I recently visited HRO and because we could not find the relevant microfiche for what I suspected was a will of one of my ancestors I was permitted to see the original. I now have a copy of that will and it is much clearer than those I copied from the fiche. It was a great thrill seeing the original of a will written in 1719 almost 300 years ago. Well worth the 500 mile round trip. one happy researcher Hilary

This may interest some of you, a website by Alan Cleaver the editor of the Hampshire Chronicle whereby you can read about STRANGE HAMPSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, HYPERLINK "http://www.cleaverproperty.co.uk/strange/"http://www.cleaverproperty.co .uk/strange/ Then for WEIRD WILTSHIRE and others HYPERLINK "http://www.cleaverproperty.co.uk/strange/links.html"http://www.cleaverp roperty.co.uk/strange/links.html Happy reading and sleep well! Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/2004

You are quite right Sandra, as far as value for money goes on-line indices and such are far more economical than what we used to have to do. On the other hand there is nothing like the emotion of actually handling original documents that are hundreds of years old. I remember sitting in the old Dorset record office in Dorchester turning over crumbling register pages and wondering how long they'd last, and how privileged I was to be one of the last of the general public to be able to do that. Of course it's good that most such documents have now been filmed, and that extensive indexes are now available. Just so long as people are aware of what they are looking at, and if it is not a photograph of an original document, realise that transcription errors do exist, and every effort should be made to seek out, and preferably get a photocopy of, the original source. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 11:41 10/10/2004, Sandra J Smith wrote: >Hi Listers, >Just to let you know that ancestry have now got the 1871 census for >Hampshire on-line. >I have seen criticms in the mailing lists about the standard of indexing >of ancestry's indices, and it looks as if 1871 is possibly worse than the >others. However, if you have ever tried transcribing a badly written >document, they probably havent done a bad job. A little imagination and >the odd "*" wild card usually produces results. >I did most of my genealogy years ago, when nothing was indexed, and >everything had to be approached via hundreds of hours ploughing through >original documents. (And I do mean original - microfilm and microfiche >weren't even invented then!!) I am just grateful that I can now track >down missing siblings with relative ease. >I have no financial interest in ancestry.com but when I balance the >hundreds of pounds I spent travelling to London back in the dark ages to >search the censuses, I find it good value for money. Warts and all!! >Sandra > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Listers, Just to let you know that ancestry have now got the 1871 census for Hampshire on-line. I have seen criticms in the mailing lists about the standard of indexing of ancestry's indices, and it looks as if 1871 is possibly worse than the others. However, if you have ever tried transcribing a badly written document, they probably havent done a bad job. A little imagination and the odd "*" wild card usually produces results. I did most of my genealogy years ago, when nothing was indexed, and everything had to be approached via hundreds of hours ploughing through original documents. (And I do mean original - microfilm and microfiche weren't even invented then!!) I am just grateful that I can now track down missing siblings with relative ease. I have no financial interest in ancestry.com but when I balance the hundreds of pounds I spent travelling to London back in the dark ages to search the censuses, I find it good value for money. Warts and all!! Sandra

Those interested in family history, poor law, and many other subjects will find this new site very useful ROSSBRET http://www.rossbret.org.uk/ Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004

Found this and thought it might help those looking for Unions in the UK gives Record Office addresses as well all in alphabetical order. The Poor Law Union Database lists all Church of England parishes and many additional places and gives the name of the Union that place belonged to and an indication of which Record Office holds the records for that Union. http://www.fourbears.worldonline.co.uk/poorlaw.html Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004

A bit more for the story..... I have now found in a booklet "Past Glimpses of Nursling and Rownhams" the following NURSLING COMMON Nursling Common lay to the east of the Romsey Road from Bakers Drove towards Maybush, and was used as an army transit site in 1795. Several buildings were in the locality and have now gone: the Scout Hut, the Hit and Miss Public House, Nutfield House where the roundabout now stands (the home of Rear Admiral Tate and later Mrs Chambers), and the thatch cottage between the two where Wilcox the builder lived, whose name can still be found on some old manhole covers in the community. Regards, John John Parker Romsey, Hampshire, England E-mail: ParkerFamHist@aol.com

In a message dated 05/10/2004 01:27:49 GMT Standard Time, chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Think it was Nutfield FARM John > Chris, I realise that but presumed that Nutfield Cottage would be associated with Nutfield Farm. The name must have some local significance as there is a Nutfield Road now in Rownhams and Nutfield Court which I believe is sheltered accommodation. BTW...Who asked about this? It seems to be you and me discussing it! Regards, John John Parker Romsey, Hampshire, England E-mail: ParkerFamHist@aol.com

Think it was Nutfield FARM John Put that in the search but nothing found. But did find Common Farm on the same co-ordinates which I had tried to find about a year ago!! Thanks for that! Chris -----Original Message----- From: Parkerfamhist@aol.com [mailto:Parkerfamhist@aol.com] Sent: 05 October 2004 00:40 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Nutfield Farm, Nursling This URL http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ searching on these co-ordinates reveals Nutfield Cottage in Nursling 438596,115417 Regards, John John Parker Romsey, Hampshire, England E-mail: ParkerFamHist@aol.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004

This URL http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ searching on these co-ordinates reveals Nutfield Cottage in Nursling 438596,115417 Regards, John John Parker Romsey, Hampshire, England E-mail: ParkerFamHist@aol.com