John Just looked in the 1914-1915 Kellys and there is:- RENDLE James128 Cranbury Road RENDALL Charles U. 92 Leigh Road RENDELL Arthur Tom 58 Desborough Road SOUTHAMPTON RENDELL Charles Wm 8 Alma Road Portswood RENDELL Elias, "Westwood" Chapel St Bitterne RENDELL Frederick John, 183 Foundry Lane Freemantle RENDELL Richard Henry, Rownhams RENDLE Alfred, 8 Priory Road, St Denys RENDLE Frederick. 205 Victoria Road Woolston RENDLE 6 St James Ter, St James Road Shirley RENDLE Miss St Winifreds, 32 London Road Southampton Hope these are of some help for you Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

hi i am still trying to find any info on a mark randell(rendell) born about1865 father edward living at 12 cranlbury road eastleigh in 1895 could any one please look up that address at this time to find out who was living there . cheers john

Hi Monica You've had some good advice from Chris and Caroline, that I hope you will be able to take advantage of. I'm not sure where you live, to guess if that is possible. I notice you don't mention any information from Censuses, although I expect you have got these already. Even as snapshots, information about him in 1851, 61, 71, and 81 could be informative. I looked for him in the 1881 census as I had the discs to hand, but failed to find a John Burton of the right age. Of course he could have been at sea, and I didn't know his wife's name to check on the rest of his family. You know he died in 1889, so do you know if he left a will? Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 23:04 26/10/2004, Monicaselway@aol.com wrote: >Hi Chris & Caroline, >I am looking for any help or advice in trying to trace my great-grandfathers >life at sea. >Being told as a child he was a sea Captain which to-date I have found no >evidence.On his marriage certificate 1863 when he married my >great-grandmother in >Wales he is a mariner.He was born in French Street,Southampton in 1842.On his >death certificate in 1889 it states he was a "Foreman in a Shipbreakers yard" >in Wales.Would there have been a union for sea men in the 1850`s I am >assuming he went to sea as a young man possibly in the 1850`s.I would be >greatful for >any help or advice on this matter. >His name was John Burton and he was the only member of his family to settle >in Wales. > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Found this which could help others. Chris and Caroline PORT MARITIME INFORMATION GATEWAY At http://www.port.nmm.ac.uk/research/c13.html "Research guide C13: The Merchant Navy: Tracing merchant seamen: Sources of information in the National Maritime Museum This guide should be used in conjunction with guides C1 and C2 and gives further details of records in the National Maritime Museum relating to merchant seamen useful to genealogists or family historians. The Caird Library is open to everyone free of charge, Monday - Saturday, 10.00-16.45 (Saturday by appointment). Manuscripts can be ordered and viewed in the Library, where there are two morning deliveries and one afternoon delivery. Please note that some material is held at outstations with a retrieval time of 7-28 days. Therefore please telephone, fax or write in advance to view specific material. Contact points are as follows: Library Tel: +44 (0)20 8312 6673/6528 Fax: +44 (0)20 8312 6599 E-mail: library@nmm.ac.uk Manuscripts Tel: +44 (0)20 8312 6691/6669 Fax: +44 (0)20 8312 6599 E-mail: manuscripts@nmm.ac.uk You can search the Library and manuscripts via our online catalogue. Introduction The majority of records relating to merchant seamen are with The National Archives, Ruskin Avenue, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU. These include the First, Second and Third Registers of Merchant Seamen's service from 1835-1856. There are no registers between 1856 and 1914. The Fourth Register covers the period 1914-1940 and is on microfiche. The original cards have now been transferred to Southampton City Records Office, Civic Centre, Southampton SO9 4XR. Registers after 1940 are with the Registry of Shipping and Seamen, Ground Floor, Anchor Court, Keen Road, Cardiff CF24 5JW. However the National Maritime Museum has records that will be of use to the family historian although it is worth bearing in mind that, apart from the Marine Society archive (see below ) the Museum has no records relating to merchant seamen before 1860. We hold crew lists for the following years only: 1861,1862, 1865, 1875, 1885, 1895, 1905, 1915, 1925, 1935, 1955, 1965 and 1975. --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

Hi Monica Can't really help much here as no idea where really to look. But the Southampton archives does have a Registry of Shipping and Seamen but the dates are 1918 - 1941 http://tinyurl.com/53nrg Another one I found that my help is PORT MARITIME INFORMATION GATEWAY At http://www.port.nmm.ac.uk/research/c13.html "Research guide C13: The Merchant Navy: Tracing merchant seamen: Sources of information in the National Maritime Museum This guide should be used in conjunction with guides C1 and C2 and gives further details of records in the National Maritime Museum relating to merchant seamen useful to genealogists or family historians. The Caird Library is open to everyone free of charge, Monday - Saturday, 10.00-16.45 (Saturday by appointment). Manuscripts can be ordered and viewed in the Library, where there are two morning deliveries and one afternoon delivery. Please note that some material is held at outstations with a retrieval time of 7-28 days. Therefore please telephone, fax or write in advance to view specific material. Contact points are as follows: Library Tel: +44 (0)20 8312 6673/6528 Fax: +44 (0)20 8312 6599 E-mail: library@nmm.ac.uk Manuscripts Tel: +44 (0)20 8312 6691/6669 Fax: +44 (0)20 8312 6599 E-mail: manuscripts@nmm.ac.uk You can search the Library and manuscripts via our online catalogue. Introduction The majority of records relating to merchant seamen are with The National Archives, Ruskin Avenue, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU. These include the First, Second and Third Registers of Merchant Seamen's service from 1835-1856. There are no registers between 1856 and 1914. The Fourth Register covers the period 1914-1940 and is on microfiche. The original cards have now been transferred to Southampton City Records Office, Civic Centre, Southampton SO9 4XR. Registers after 1940 are with the Registry of Shipping and Seamen, Ground Floor, Anchor Court, Keen Road, Cardiff CF24 5JW. However the National Maritime Museum has records that will be of use to the family historian although it is worth bearing in mind that, apart from the Marine Society archive (see below ) the Museum has no records relating to merchant seamen before 1860. We hold crew lists for the following years only: 1861,1862, 1865, 1875, 1885, 1895, 1905, 1915, 1925, 1935, 1955, 1965 and 1975. NMM records Marine Society, 18-20th centuries The Marine Society was founded in 1756 by Jonas Hanway to provide poor or destitute boys willing to go to sea with clothing and a place on board a ship. Boys entered both the Royal Navy and the Merchant Navy. From 1786 boys were prepared for sea aboard a training ship; in 1862, the Warspite, a third rate built in 1807 was obtained from the Admiralty and although she has been replaced by other vessels the name was retained. The Marine Society is still in existence today and their records are on loan to this museum. The records include Registers of Apprentices sent to Merchant Ships 1772-1950. The information contained in these includes name of boy, age and height, former employment and the name of the master and ship to which the boy was sent." Hope this helps Chris and Caroline -----Original Message----- From: Monicaselway@aol.com [mailto:Monicaselway@aol.com] Sent: 26 October 2004 23:04 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SOU] Re Seamans Union Records Southampton Hi Chris & Caroline, I am looking for any help or advice in trying to trace my great-grandfathers life at sea. Being told as a child he was a sea Captain which to-date I have found no evidence.On his marriage certificate 1863 when he married my great-grandmother in Wales he is a mariner.He was born in French Street,Southampton in 1842.On his death certificate in 1889 it states he was a "Foreman in a Shipbreakers yard" in Wales.Would there have been a union for sea men in the 1850`s I am assuming he went to sea as a young man possibly in the 1850`s.I would be greatful for any help or advice on this matter. His name was John Burton and he was the only member of his family to settle in Wales. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

A new website called Vision of Britain is in the process of being started today, but alas the demand has been so great they have had to postpone it!! Contains info on census, history etc The address is: http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/index.html Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

Hi Chris & Caroline, I am looking for any help or advice in trying to trace my great-grandfathers life at sea. Being told as a child he was a sea Captain which to-date I have found no evidence.On his marriage certificate 1863 when he married my great-grandmother in Wales he is a mariner.He was born in French Street,Southampton in 1842.On his death certificate in 1889 it states he was a "Foreman in a Shipbreakers yard" in Wales.Would there have been a union for sea men in the 1850`s I am assuming he went to sea as a young man possibly in the 1850`s.I would be greatful for any help or advice on this matter. His name was John Burton and he was the only member of his family to settle in Wales.

Regarding the mystery photograph at http://tinyurl.com/63s7k A much clearer photograph has replaced the original that Derek Ives sent in. The badge on the girls tunics is the letter "G" in script form so this must rule out Portals School for Girls. We are not even sure if this is Southampton or Hampshire, so hope you don't mind us adding it to the Wiltshire list as well, in the hope that somebody can recognise anybody or know what school it could be Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

Hi Chris and Caroline, Just a thought I had ... could this be The Gregg School? My late mother attended that school in the 30s when she lived on Radstock Road. Gregg is the alternate form of shorthand to Pitman, and my mother used it up until her death last year at the age of 81. Judy Mills Toronto, Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris & Caroline [mailto:chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:47 PM > To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-SOU] Mystery School Photograph > > > Regarding the mystery photograph at > http://tinyurl.com/63s7k > > A much clearer photograph has replaced the original that Derek Ives sent > in. > The badge on the girls tunics is the letter "G" in script form so this > must rule out Portals School for Girls. > We are not even sure if this is Southampton or Hampshire, so hope you > don't mind us adding it to the Wiltshire list as well, in the hope that > somebody can recognise anybody or know what school it could be > > Chris and Caroline > SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) > The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages > >

A suggestion has been made that the mystery school photo on our website at http://tinyurl.com/63s7k "Could this possible be taken around the early 1900's, when Colonel and Ethel M. Portal had something to do with a Girl's school in Southampton or Woolston.? My Mother attended some school in the area of St. Mary Extra and often talked about Colonel Melville Portal and Mrs Charlotte , and Margaret Portal, but I have never seen any pictures of them. The Gentleman in the photo looks like a Colonel. Just a thought.!!! Joyce, Canada" If anyone knows where a photo of the Colonel can be found we could compare it. Any suggestions Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

A while ago somebody asked about a reasonably priced scanner for taking copies of 35mm negatives and slides. There is an offer at eboogaloo which is quite reasonable. http://tinyurl.com/5jhct We have no connection with eBoogaloo or any of its subsidiaries. Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

We have just posted a photo to our school photos pages on our website and hope that someone can identify the location, date or if you recognise any of the people who could be one of your relatives. We believe it is possibly Hampshire but not sure. The photo can be viewed at the bottom of the page at http://tinyurl.com/63s7k Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

Hello everybody, I tried the yellow sheet suggestion today at the office and lo and behold the quality of the copy was improved. Rod in Andover.

Another suggestion, I have found useful is to place a sheet of black carbon paper (remember when we all used this for our letters?), behind the original item, this makes the original slightly darker. I have never tried these two in combination. I have noticed that some of the Record Office fiche/film readers, do have a yellow strip across the viewer, which can be set to align with any line on the original, this certainly improves the image quality. Terry Silcock P R O W S E in London areas 1750 to date.

Had this send by one of our subscribers and thought this tip sounded useful. It refers to copying documents via a scanner etc. Chris. If you are making a copy and the original seems too light to read, simply place a sheet of yellow Mylar down on the glass, then put your original over that and continue the copying process. (Mylar can be purchased in most office-supply stores.) No other color but yellow will do the trick. This has proven invaluable through the years in copying receipts and other information that were almost too hard to read. Works with film readers and film, tape to the screen. --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

Hello Colin I don't have any information myself, but more can very likely be obtained from archives@southampton.gov.uk and from local.studies@southampton.gov.uk by e-mailing them and asking pertinent questions. The 1851 census (indexed) would seem a good place to start. If they were in the vicinity you will be able to find their ages and birthplaces. The local studies library has transcripts of Southampton baptisms etc up to 1837, in which the CHRISTOPHERs may appear. Good hunting, Dave Jacobs ========= At 19:45 19/10/2004, Colin Moretti wrote: >Hello list > >My relative Charles Joseph PAGLIANO married Agnes Mary CHRISTOPHERS at St >Josephs (Roman Catholic) Chapel Bugle Street on 15 November 1848. Agnes' >parents were John Christophers and Mary CROWCH, of Gloucester House, 8 >Brunswick Place, Southampton. > >Does anyone have any knowledge of or interest in the Christophers? > > >Colin Moretti > >I'm a member of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society >http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > >Looking for MORETTI, PAGLIANO, BARGMAN, in London > >TYAS, IVESON, WOOD, ABBOTT in Yorkshire > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello list My relative Charles Joseph PAGLIANO married Agnes Mary CHRISTOPHERS at St Josephs (Roman Catholic) Chapel Bugle Street on 15 November 1848. Agnes' parents were John Christophers and Mary CROWCH, of Gloucester House, 8 Brunswick Place, Southampton. Does anyone have any knowledge of or interest in the Christophers? Colin Moretti I'm a member of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk Looking for MORETTI, PAGLIANO, BARGMAN, in London TYAS, IVESON, WOOD, ABBOTT in Yorkshire

Hello Chris and Caroline, I presume the query is genuine? I say that because I had a spoof mail last week regarding the death of my uncle who was unamed in the message and the fact that I was due an inheritance; the message purported to come from a barrister overseas and the sender was silly enough to ask me for my bank details. Needless to say the message was very quickly binned! Rod in Andover.

We would like to thank all who replied to our plea for help in regard to someone trying to find info about an inheritance. Good constructive replies which we have sent on to the lady in question. Once again many thanks, the lists have come up trumps again!! Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

Can anyone help on this, a friend has been told she is entitled to an inheritance under a will but do not know the solicitors names or where in the UK they are. She has been told that the solicitor has been trying to trace her as they do not know here address etc. All she knows is the deceased name and nothing else. She realises this may be a bit far fetched but would like to find out more before abandoning any hope. Is there a central place where she could apply for info? There is a time limit of three months and she is in the US Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004