Helen sent in the link to the Canadian ship SS http://www.ssnerissa.com/ but what she forgot to mention was her part in the making of the webpage:.... "Our thanks must also go to Helen Ginn in Sarnia for spending hours and hours typing all the stories and documents. We couldn't have done it without you Helen. Our sincere thanks." well done Helen your modesty abounds!! Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004

While we remember Remembrance Day have you ever wondered what the Germans do at this 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month? Then here is a report sent to us by an English friend living in German, which we thought might interest you. Chris and Caroline We shall never forget. Sunday will be a double silence, then one at 11:00 local time, and one when on BBC world the UK hold theirs. In Germany today they also have an event, but it is out of traddition completly opposite to the UK. After the end of WW1, the population Were so relieved to have an end of war, that on the 11th of the 11th, at 11:11 Hrs, they cellibrate the start of the Fifth season, which is a start of Carnival, and wil last to the Tuesday before Ash Wednseday, which in 2005 is in February. They see the 11th of November as a time to cellibrate peace, and although they also hold memorial services on the nearest Sunday, either before or after the 11th. A strange thing happened in East Germany, every year the British Army, Air Force and Consular officials held Rememberance day celibrations in the East at British war grave cemetaries. The East German population forbidden from remembering their dead by the Russians were allowed to attend the British events (The US having re-intured their dead back to the states in the 1950s had no such arrangements) under strict observation of plan-clothes Stasi agents in the crowds. Many of the East Germans came to have a great respect and secret like of the UK and our forces, because of our way to remember our dead and never forsake or forget them no matter where in the world they lie. Those who attended regularly risk being hounded by Stasi as possible subversives, either because of their like of military matters, or of religious sevices, or of western ideals. Despite that and attempts to stop them gaining access they came year after year, and stood in silence and respect behind the seperation ropes to both admire the British rememberance, and also to pay their own rememberance of their fallen which was not allowed by the Russians. The Russian ceremonies had their own services, (I think on another day/month) but had considerably less interest, and was also a point of concern to the Communist state, as it showed a form of Popularity chart. So that is my small report on the Germans (and former east Germans) and their November 11th. --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004

New web site launched in Canada for Remembrance Day. http://www.ssnerissa.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: [ENG-SOU] Remembrance Day....the other side of the fence --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.794 / Virus Database: 538 - Release Date: 11/10/2004

I would like to find connections to Robert THORNE and Henrietta FULL married 1880 at Farnborough. Robert THORNE was a Private with the 52 Regt.Place of residence B.Lines North Camp (I think that is correct) Henrietta lived at Farnborough. Parents names. Abraham THORNE Shoemaker. Frederick FULL shipwright. Hope someone can help. Marion.

Saw this on another list and thought it may interest some others. Chris and Caroline If you are interested in UK genealogy why not join GENTRACERS on MSN http://groups.msn.com/GENTRACERS/ and become part of a very active group. We now also have a great chat room of the same name using PALTALK voice chat program which u can get FREE from http://www.paltalk.com --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004

Hello List, If any kind member has access to the 1861 census, would they please do a look up for me? I am interested in finding any information on the LEAKE family. From the 1871 census this family are all stated as being born in St Mary's Bourne. Now I am not to sure about all of them as being born there, but I think there is a very good chance of William LEAKE being born there. The LEAKE family should include in 1861: William - c 1823 ? -1831? Isabella (nee HOSKIN) - 1823 ? - 1831 ? William - ? - son Thomas - c 1857 - 1862 - son - (given places of birth from Army records Somerset & Marriage cert & 1901 Census Southampton) Robert - 1860 - son 1871 Census: William - 48 - St Mary Bourne Isabella - 48 - St Mary Bourne Robert - 11 - St Mary Bourne Sarah - 5 - St Mary Bourne John - 1 - St Mary Bourne The 1881 census William - 50 - Portsmouth, Hampshire Isabella - 50 - Devon Robert - 21 - Taunton, Somerset Sarah - 18 - Southampton - seems to have gained quite a few years! John - 11 - Portsmouth, Hampshire Thomas is not on either the 1871 or 1881 census. I have been unable to find any birth record for Thomas, when he married my gt Aunt Sarah HOSKING in July 1900 he gave his age as 40 yrs, and on the 1901 census he gave his age as 41yrs. Any help would be truly appreciated, no matter how small. Many thanks and best wishes Heather Brown (nee Hosking)

A new website on Hampshire has just been started. HANTSPHERE Hantsphere is an online Hampshire local studies resource. You can explore and learn about Hampshire's heritage by searching the Hantsphere database or following the themes. The themes will continue to expand and new ones added. http://www.hantsphere.org.uk Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004

Dear tamara In case nobody has responded to you privately, I was able to snatch a look at the 1851 census index today, and found these, in Eling parish: PARMITTER (sic) at HO107/1668/402 John, 39 born Dorset (place not recorded) Mary, 36, born Romsey Harriett, 11, born Romsey John, 6, born Newbury, Berks. They seem to have moved around, John originally from Dorset, later Romsey where one child was born, Newbury in Berkshire where another was born, and now Eling (probably Totton, as you said their son Arthur was born there in 1852). Did John have the sort of occupation that would need frequent moves, or was he simply desperately seeking work where he could find it? Did they marry in Romsey? That would make sense as the wife Mary had been born there. To find more precidely where John the father was born you may need to find him in a later census. Do you know where they went next? I couldn't find any of them in 1881, so maybe they had emigrated by then? Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 10:42 31/10/2004, Tamara Andrews wrote: > >Mrs Tamara Andrews >PO Box 2181 >Alice Springs NT 0871 >Australia >-------Original Message------- > >From: <mailto:Dave@Jacobs.net>Dave Jacobs >Date: Sunday, October 31, 2004 19:48:17 >To: <mailto:ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com>ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] 1841 Census lookup please: PARMITER > >Hi Listers >A general reminder about the `841 census: as it is not indexed except for >a very few places, you either need the name of the village, or if a town, >the street or district. Even so, it could be a longish search, but not as >long as not knowing either! > >Added to that the fact that it does not give relationships or birthplaces, >and ages only rounded down to a 5 year value, one can understand why the >1841 census is not considered a very useful source. If you can find the >family in 1851, which has all the info the 1841 census lacks, you are off >to a fine start. Sadly a lot of my ancestors chose to die between 1841 and >1851! > >Cheers, Dave Jacobs >=============== > >At 23:41 30/10/2004, Tamara Andrews wrote: > >Dear Listers, > >Could SKS with access to the 1841 Census please look up the family of John > >and Mary PARMITER. > >As yet I do not have an exact date of birth, but estimate they would be in > >either their twenties or early thirties. > >Thanking you, > >Tamara > > > > > >"Rootsweb: a godsend to those in Remote Places!!!!" > >Please reply personally to > <mailto:trailertrash@aapt.net.au>trailertrash@aapt.net.au > >Tamara Andrews, Alice Springs, Northern Territory, Australia > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > > > > >============================== > >New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: > ><http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx>http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd > .ashx > > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: ><http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx>http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >. >____________________________________________________ ><http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309&lang=9> >1d0a315.jpg > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - > <http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309&lang=9>Click Here

I haven't seen this announced yet but forgive me if it is duplicate information.... I attended a Local History Day in Romsey at the weekend and was introduced to a new Hampshire heritage website run by the County Council and others: _www.hantsphere.org.uk_ (http://www.hantsphere.org.uk) . It seems early days yet but looks promising. Regards, John Parker Romsey, Hampshire, England E-mail: ParkerFamHist@aol.com

This should be interesting Chris 'Churchill and Edward VIII's First World War service records to be posted on the internet By Chris Hastings, Media Correspondent NEWS TELEGRAPH (Filed: 07/11/2004) The military service records of Sir Winston Churchill and King Edward VIII are among five and a half million First World War documents which are to be made available online for the first time. The internet database, which has been established by the National Archives in Kew, is the first comprehensive roll of those who served in the Army and the Royal Flying Corps during the Great War. Records of those who served in the Royal Navy are not included, but may be in the future. --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004

Do you care about the future of Archives? The Government is now considering the recommendations of a major new report into the future of archives in the UK. Let the Government know what you think archives should be doing for you in the 21st century. Help the National Council on Archives to show how much you care about using archives offices and record offices, by writing to your MP. For more information on this campaign, please visit http://www.ffhs.org.uk/Societies/Liaison/ArchivesFuture.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ This site has some good records on convicts - including date and place of sentence, physical descriptions of convicts - with contact details of people researching these individuals. See this site at http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/stories.html ------------------------------------------------------------- Another interesting site if you had people migrate to the USA. http://immigrantships.net/v2/surnamesv2/spla_v2.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

Dear Listers, Could SKS with access to the 1841 Census please look up the family of John and Mary PARMITER. As yet I do not have an exact date of birth, but estimate they would be in either their twenties or early thirties. Thanking you, Tamara "Rootsweb: a godsend to those in Remote Places!!!!" Please reply personally to trailertrash@aapt.net.au Tamara Andrews, Alice Springs, Northern Territory, Australia --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Syd and Judy Hockey" <syd@sydandjudy.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Dave Jacobs" <Dave@Jacobs.net> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] winton street southampton > Hello Ann, > I am also researching the name READ from WINTON > (WINCHESTER) Street SOUTHAMPTON, If you care to get in touch maybe we could > help each other. > Syd Hockey. (Southampton) > > > > >

Hi Listers A general reminder about the `841 census: as it is not indexed except for a very few places, you either need the name of the village, or if a town, the street or district. Even so, it could be a longish search, but not as long as not knowing either! Added to that the fact that it does not give relationships or birthplaces, and ages only rounded down to a 5 year value, one can understand why the 1841 census is not considered a very useful source. If you can find the family in 1851, which has all the info the 1841 census lacks, you are off to a fine start. Sadly a lot of my ancestors chose to die between 1841 and 1851! Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 23:41 30/10/2004, Tamara Andrews wrote: >Dear Listers, >Could SKS with access to the 1841 Census please look up the family of John >and Mary PARMITER. >As yet I do not have an exact date of birth, but estimate they would be in >either their twenties or early thirties. >Thanking you, >Tamara > > >"Rootsweb: a godsend to those in Remote Places!!!!" >Please reply personally to trailertrash@aapt.net.au >Tamara Andrews, Alice Springs, Northern Territory, Australia > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > >============================== >New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx

Dear Ann Yes, Winton Street, in the old Kingsland area of Southampton, was certainly bombed in WW2. In addition, the area has been extensively developed since. But the name Winton Streeet still remains, for two parts of the old road now separated by the new road called Kingsway. What did you have in mind that you would like people to look up? Directory entries, Electoral Rolls, etc? For things like that, an email to local.studies@southampton.gov.uk is usually productive. By all means get back to the list if that fails, or there are follow up things to be done. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 17:13 30/10/2004, ann.huxtable wrote: >Looking for someone to do a lookup for the name READ living in Winton >street Southampton in 1938. >Have hit a brick wall, I am wondering if this street was bombed . Any >suggestions. > >Regards Ann

FOR THOSE IN THE UK Don't forget the clocks go BACK one hour tonight (Saturday)!! Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004

For those in North America in those areas where clocks do change, enjoy the extra hour of sleep too! Judy Mills, Toronto .. looking forward to an extra hour of computer time tonight > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris & Caroline [mailto:chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:05 PM > To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-SOU] Don't forget the clocks (UK members only) > > > FOR THOSE IN THE UK > Don't forget the clocks go BACK one hour tonight (Saturday)!! > Chris and Caroline >

Dear Listers, Hi! I am new to the list, and am researching the family of John PARMITER and Mary TARVER. Their child, Arthur PARMITER, was born in 1852 at Totton, in the subdistrict of Eling, New Forest, Southampton. Would SKS mind looking up John and Mary PARMITER on the 1851 census? They were married in 1838, so I am expecting several children, though not of course, Arthur! Thanking you, Tamara "Rootsweb: a godsend to those in Remote Places!!!!" Please reply personally to trailertrash@aapt.net.au Tamara Andrews, Alice Springs, Northern Territory, Australia --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hello Tamara As you probably know, the area you have stated ie, Eling, New Forest, Southampton, refers to the old County name of Southampton & not the city of Southampton. So, this would be in two very different census areas. There is only 1 John Parmiter listed in the 1851 Southampton city census returns, aged 38...no trace of Mary. I'll happily give you the details if you want, but feel maybe you should consider focusing on the Eling or Totton census returns instead. Best wishes, Debbie >-- Original Message -- >Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:54:57 +1000 (EST) >From: Tamara Andrews <gregandtamara@yahoo.com.au> >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-SOU] 1851 Census: John PARMITER > > >Dear Listers, > >Hi! I am new to the list, and am researching the family of John PARMITER >and Mary TARVER. > >Their child, Arthur PARMITER, was born in 1852 at Totton, in the subdistrict >of Eling, New Forest, Southampton. > >Would SKS mind looking up John and Mary PARMITER on the 1851 census? They >were married in 1838, so I am expecting several children, though not of course, >Arthur! > >Thanking you, >Tamara > > >"Rootsweb: a godsend to those in Remote Places!!!!" >Please reply personally to trailertrash@aapt.net.au >Tamara Andrews, Alice Springs, Northern Territory, Australia > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > __________________________________________________________________ Win 12 amazing weekend breaks, one every month for a year to Dublin, Milan, the Alps, Paris and beyond http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/competitions/brilliant_weekends.html

Hello John I am not sure if this is of any use to you atall but just looked at the 1948/49 Kelly's Directory for Cranbury Road, Eastleigh there is no number 12 - it goes from number 10 to 14 - it may have been bombed during the war??? BUT Found this entry in EASTLEIGH Henry James RENDLE Fruiterer and greengrocer 183 Cranbury Road Eastleigh and general store 128 Cranbury Road Eastleigh I just thought this person may be related. Jeannie in Australia From: "john randall" <nojrandall@msn.com> hi i am still trying to find any info on a mark randell(rendell) born about1865 father edward living at 12 cranlbury road eastleigh in 1895 could any one please look up that address at this time to find out who was living there . cheers john