Several subscribers have emailed me ref my posting about Gentracers, and found that the MSN group was no longer in action. I emailed the list owner this morning and got this back in reply. Chris please inform all your members that we are alive and well and have a BRAND NEW site We are now residing at www.gentracers.com <http://www.gentracers.com> Many users had problems joining the MSN site due to Net passports etc so we decided to move I sincerely apologise and just hope that we eventually get to see anhd indeed help all the visitors Thankyou for advising us of the situation Happy Hunting Jimgentrace Http://www.gentracers.com <http://www.gentracers.com>

I am researching the Crimmins and Portlocks from Southampton. Most of them lived in the King Street, Southampton area in the late 1800's. Being seafaring families they are very much mixed up including several listed as Crimmins-Portlock. Is anyone else researching these families or does anyone have any information that might assist me Regards Steve Frampton (Denmead, Hampshire)

Hi List, First apologies for any cross-postings you may receive. I have never seen this site mentioned on any of the lists I belong to and thought it worthy of mention. The Book of Remembrance lists alphabetically Chelsea In-Pensioners with dates of birth, dates of death, the date they entered the Royal Hospital and their regiment or corps. The list is as yet incomplete and appears to contain mainly 20th century old soldiers. http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/remembrance.asp Sandra

Hello Everybody, I would like to thank all the kind people that helped me sort out my puzzle regarding Son-in-Law/Daughter-in-Law. relationship. Thanks once again for your time and interest. Syd Hockey. (Southampton) ----- Original Message ----- From: Syd and Judy Hockey To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:13 PM Subject: 1851 census, Southampton. Hello Everybody, I cannot seem to understand to following from the 1851 census. It states: JOHN HINTON. 62 HEAD. ANN HINTON 64 WIFE. ROBERT READ. Unmarried 37. SON-IN-LAW CHARLOTTE READ Unmarried 36. DAUGHTER-IN-LAW. Presumably ROBERT & CHARLOTTE are brother & sister how can they be son & daughter-in-law to JOHN HINTON. Can anybody be so kind to help me sort this puzzle out. Thank you for your time. Syd Hockey. (Southampton)

Hi Monica I am sorry but I have no records to check through, as more into local history than family at present. The only thing I have are a couple of Kellys directories but these do not cover that time period. I am not sure what census are available on-line but the best place to try to purchase is S & N supplies https://secure.sandn.net/productlist.php?county=Hampshire http://tinyurl.com/5e2r6 Current cost is around 44GBP Sorry I cannot help further. Perhaps somebody on the list has a copy and can do a look up for you Chris and Caroline Monicaselway@aol.com wrote: >Hi Chris & Caroline, >Sorry to nag you again but,can anyone help me find a Baptism possibly 1825 >Southampton. >As Dave has said the 1841 census is very trying.I visited the FRC Myddleton >st London 2 yrs ago and after some time I eventually found my BURTON family >living in FRENCH STREET ST. JOHN. >OLIVIA BURTON AGE 46 OCCUPATION IND >LOUISA BURTON AGE 16 " STAY MAKER. >Then on the 1851 cunsus more BURTONS, MY GREAT GRANDFATHER >JOHN BURTON & family address SIMNEL STREET PARISH OF ST MICHAEL. > >Is it possible to find a BAPTISM for LOUISA BURTON ? 1825 ,THAT IS ,IF HER >AGE WAS RIGHT ON THE 1841 CENSUS. >Do you know when the 1861 census will be on sale , then I can continue my >search for the BURTONS OF SOUTHAMPTON TOWN. >Many thanks for any help or advice re the above. > >Monica. > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi Chris & Caroline, Sorry to nag you again but,can anyone help me find a Baptism possibly 1825 Southampton. As Dave has said the 1841 census is very trying.I visited the FRC Myddleton st London 2 yrs ago and after some time I eventually found my BURTON family living in FRENCH STREET ST. JOHN. OLIVIA BURTON AGE 46 OCCUPATION IND LOUISA BURTON AGE 16 " STAY MAKER. Then on the 1851 cunsus more BURTONS, MY GREAT GRANDFATHER JOHN BURTON & family address SIMNEL STREET PARISH OF ST MICHAEL. Is it possible to find a BAPTISM for LOUISA BURTON ? 1825 ,THAT IS ,IF HER AGE WAS RIGHT ON THE 1841 CENSUS. Do you know when the 1861 census will be on sale , then I can continue my search for the BURTONS OF SOUTHAMPTON TOWN. Many thanks for any help or advice re the above. Monica.

Hello Syd The term "in-law" was used in historic times to refer to people related by marriage, whether or not they were "in-laws" as we would consider them today. I had great difficulty with this term used in a family Will until it was explained in Family Tree Magazine about two years ago. It looks as if Ann Hinton may be the scond wife of John, her first husband having been ? Read, with Robert and Charlotte Read as her children. Have you obtained the marriage details of John and Ann, which may give a clue? Colyn.

Hi Lists, If any local people have ever tried to see inside the beautiful little church of St John, they will realise that because of its isolated position, it is normally kept locked. However, the church is to be opened and staffed over the weekend of 18/19 December (Sat and Sun) from 10-4 each day, for anyone who would like to see inside. I am doing a 3 hour stint 1-4pm pn Sat 18th December and would love to make any local listers welcome and give them a guided tour of this ancient building which is mentioned in Domesday (1086). If you need directions, please contact me off-list. Regards Sandra

Hello Everybody, I cannot seem to understand to following from the 1851 census. It states: JOHN HINTON. 62 HEAD. ANN HINTON 64 WIFE. ROBERT READ. Unmarried 37. SON-IN-LAW CHARLOTTE READ Unmarried 36. DAUGHTER-IN-LAW. Presumably ROBERT & CHARLOTTE are brother & sister how can they be son & daughter-in-law to JOHN HINTON. Can anybody be so kind to help me sort this puzzle out. Thank you for your time. Syd Hockey. (Southampton)

Thanks David and all the others that answered. Seamus found this on the Hants CC Website "Hampshire" is often abbreviated in written form to "Hants" and which sometimes gives rise to puzzlement. The abbreviated form is derived from the Old English Hantum plus Scir (meaning a district governed from the settlement now known as Southampton) and the Anglo-Saxons called it Hamtunschire. At the time of the Domesday Book (1086) this was compressed to Hantescire." Chris -----Original Message----- From: David DOWD [mailto:david.dowd@tesco.net] Sent: 27 November 2004 13:12 To: Chris & Caroline Subject: Re: [HantsLife] Origin of county name Dear List, the Normans, speaking a (poor) version of French, had great difficulty with Anglo-Saxon names and wrote Hampshire as Hantescire in 1088 - which they found easier to pronounce (lots of other names were similarly garbled), and it is the abbreviation of the latter which we use today since documents for the next four centuries were usually written in either French or Latin. Regards, David -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004

Can anybody explain why Hampshire was abbreviated to Hants and not Hamps? The only thing I can find off hand is that : Derived from the 9th century name Hamtunscir, meaning "Shire based on Hamtun", where Hamtun meant the city now known as Southampton. But then the old town was HaMwic! Even Northampton is abbreviated to NorthHANTS! Chris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004

I did it by using Parish Locator Rod. Did not choose any particular place such as Holryood, Civic etc. Chris -----Original Message----- From: clargo [mailto:clargo@tinyworld.co.uk] Sent: 27 November 2004 09:05 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] distance from Southampton to Andover ( a bit more) Hello Everybody, The distance from where I live at the southern end of Andover to the Civic Centre in Southampton using the shortest route which is through Stockbridge and Romsey is twenty-six and a half miles by road. Rod in Andover. ============================== Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004

Hello Everybody, The distance from where I live at the southern end of Andover to the Civic Centre in Southampton using the shortest route which is through Stockbridge and Romsey is twenty-six and a half miles by road. Rod in Andover.

John Orchard may email you as according to the old map there is five miles extra. I used Parish Locator which is a handy tool as not only does it give the UK parishes and map references but also calculates distances for you plus show parishes within a certain range. Genealogiests can't do without it and its free!! E-Mail: Davembennett@blueyonder.co.uk Web site: http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages -----Original Message----- From: Elenor Ross [mailto:crowe@oberon.ark.com] Sent: 26 November 2004 00:33 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] distance from Southampton to Andover Hi Chris and Caroline, Thanks for making that clear. Now I think I know what my next step is. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-SOU] distance from Southampton to Andover > The distance is 20.2 miles or 32.6Km Eleanor > Would be the same distance apart even then but roads would not have been > so easy to navigate especially with horse and cart/carriage etc > Chris and Caroline > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elenor Ross [mailto:crowe@oberon.ark.com] > Sent: 25 November 2004 19:50 > To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-SOU] distance from Southampton to Andover > > > Hello all, > > Can anyone give me an idea of how far in terms of distance and time > Andover would have been from Southampton in the early 1840s? > > Many thanks, Eleanor B. C. Canada > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004

The distance is 20.2 miles or 32.6Km Eleanor Would be the same distance apart even then but roads would not have been so easy to navigate especially with horse and cart/carriage etc Chris and Caroline -----Original Message----- From: Elenor Ross [mailto:crowe@oberon.ark.com] Sent: 25 November 2004 19:50 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SOU] distance from Southampton to Andover Hello all, Can anyone give me an idea of how far in terms of distance and time Andover would have been from Southampton in the early 1840s? Many thanks, Eleanor B. C. Canada ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004

Hi Chris and Caroline, Thanks for making that clear. Now I think I know what my next step is. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-SOU] distance from Southampton to Andover > The distance is 20.2 miles or 32.6Km Eleanor > Would be the same distance apart even then but roads would not have been > so easy to navigate especially with horse and cart/carriage etc > Chris and Caroline > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elenor Ross [mailto:crowe@oberon.ark.com] > Sent: 25 November 2004 19:50 > To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-SOU] distance from Southampton to Andover > > > Hello all, > > Can anyone give me an idea of how far in terms of distance and time > Andover would have been from Southampton in the early 1840s? > > Many thanks, Eleanor B. C. Canada > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hello all, Can anyone give me an idea of how far in terms of distance and time Andover would have been from Southampton in the early 1840s? Many thanks, Eleanor B. C. Canada

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Hi Eleanor I've checked the 1851 census indexes & none of these names appear. Sorry! Debbie >-- Original Message -- >From: "Elenor Ross" <crowe@oberon.ark.com> >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:13:53 -0800 >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-SOU] 1851 and 1861 index lookup for DREW > > >Hi Dave, > >I'm taking you up on your very generous offer to look in the census indexes >for 1851 and 1861. I'm hoping you will be able to find (yes still) Albert >John DREW and hopefully with his family including parents, Henry and Ann >DREW. In 1851 Albert would have been 8 or 9. > >You might recall I was looking for him in Dorset as that is where he was >born but recently found a DREW in the `1881 and 1901 in Portsmouth. I am >fairly sure that this DREW, George H on the census, is Albert's older brother >George Henry Nathaniel Drew born 1835, Weymouth of Henry and Ann Drew. At >any rate there is enough info to give me hope I'll find Albert with his parents >in one or both of the census in Hampshire. He/they certainly were not in >Dorset and I haven't been able to locate any info re deaths. > >Many thanks Dave. > >Eleanor B. C. Canada > > > >============================== >Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563

HI Debbie and thank you for looking. I really appreciate it. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: <el.lsa@lineone.net> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [ENG-SOU] 1851 and 1861 index lookup for DREW > Hi Eleanor > > I've checked the 1851 census indexes & none of these names appear. Sorry! > > Debbie > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Elenor Ross" <crowe@oberon.ark.com> > >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:13:53 -0800 > >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [ENG-SOU] 1851 and 1861 index lookup for DREW > > > > > >Hi Dave, > > > >I'm taking you up on your very generous offer to look in the census indexes > >for 1851 and 1861. I'm hoping you will be able to find (yes still) Albert > >John DREW and hopefully with his family including parents, Henry and Ann > >DREW. In 1851 Albert would have been 8 or 9. > > > >You might recall I was looking for him in Dorset as that is where he was > >born but recently found a DREW in the `1881 and 1901 in Portsmouth. I > am > >fairly sure that this DREW, George H on the census, is Albert's older brother > >George Henry Nathaniel Drew born 1835, Weymouth of Henry and Ann Drew. > At > >any rate there is enough info to give me hope I'll find Albert with his > parents > >in one or both of the census in Hampshire. He/they certainly were not > in > >Dorset and I haven't been able to locate any info re deaths. > > > >Many thanks Dave. > > > >Eleanor B. C. Canada > > > > > > > >============================== > >Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in > >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! > > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563 > > > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >