Hi List, I am hoping Chris & Caroline can help with my request, What area of Southampton covered Holyrood,St.Laurence,St Mary, How far from Southampton Town in the 1840`s was Brockenhurst! I am looking for BURTONS . Found some living in FRENCH ST,St Johns on the 1841 census SIMNEL ST 1851 and nothing after that so far! I mention BROCKENHURST because I found an article in one of the Journals referring to a BURTON who lived there in 1861 and just wondered if he could have been a relative!!! Any help or advise would be appreciated. Monica Selway,South Wales.

Hi List, Just wondering if St. Andrew's Road at Six Dials (or maybe they don't call it that any more) is still there as my g-grandmother lived at 95 sometime in the early 1900s. Also the 1901 Census shows her living at Ringwood Cott (cottages?) off Bullar Road - are they still there? I was born and lived in So'ton before emigrating to Canada so am familiar with these two areas. Any info greatly appreciated. Jean V.

Hello Richard, I found the following in Burgess' "Topographical index of Southampton" at Southampton library today: New Road: From Above Bar Street to Northam Road; constructed 1799 by the Northam Bridge Co. to serve Northam Bridge. (Most of this road is still in existence, although not many houses are left in it.) Moira Place: 18th C Terrace on east side of Above Bar Street, immediately north of New Road. Now demolished. Super(?) Place - I couldn't find this, but only had a few minutes to look. Compton Walk: Early 19th C street running from East park Terrace to St. Mary's Road. Destroyed. Hope the above is of some use. Best wishes, Lynda ----- Original Message ----- From: <SillittoR@netscape.net> Subject: [ENG-SOU] Southampton streets > I am having trouble locating some of the streets my ancestors lived on. > The ones I am having trouble with and the time period are:- > New Road in 1848, > Moira Place, All Saints in 1848, > Super(?) Place in 1851 (very close to Moira Place), > Compton Walk, St Mary in 1849 > > Can anyone give me directions to these streets? > > Richard > > Canada

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I am having trouble locating some of the streets my ancestors lived on. The ones I am having trouble with and the time period are:- New Road in 1848, Moira Place, All Saints in 1848, Super(?) Place in 1851 (very close to Moira Place), Compton Walk, St Mary in 1849 Can anyone give me directions to these streets? Richard Canada __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Sorry it this is a repeat but we forgot to make the first one plain text!! Just to let everybody know that we will shortly be changing the address for our website SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) We now have our own domain name and host, but the site will still remain at Rootsweb until further notice to give us time to transfer all 2,000+ files over. A daunting task but we look forward to it as the website address will be much easier to remember!! The new address will be: http://www.southernlife.org.uk/ http://southernlife.org.uk/ The old address which will still be used is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages/ DO NOT AMEND YOUR LINKS as we will be putting a redirection notice on the old URL when we have completed everything. Many thanks for all the support and input we have received from list subscribers and visitors alike, without this we would not be where we are today No1 in Google!! Chris and Caroline

Just to let everybody know that we will shortly be changing the address for our website SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) We now have our own domain name and host, but the site will still remain at Rootsweb until further notice to give us time to transfer all 2,000+ files over. A daunting task but we look forward to it as the website address will be much easier to remember!! The new address will be: http://www.southernlife.org.uk/ The old address which will still be used is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages/ <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Evillages/> DO NOT AMEND YOUR LINKS as we will be putting a redirection notice on the old URL when we have completed everything. Many thanks for all the support and input we have received from list subscribers and visitors alike, without this we would not be where we are today No1 in Google!! Chris and Caroline

Hello carole Here are the entries from the 1851 census returns index for Southampton; REF: HO 107/1669 followed by page number LE FEUVRE Susan age 45 b Southampton pg 732 LEFEVRE Adelaide C age 16 b Barbados !!! pg 690 Anna M age 36 b Dublin pg 690 That's all there are I'm afraid...wonder if he was married to Anna, but away at sea? Maybe buying the silk...who knows? If you contact the special collections section at the Southampton central Library (you'll find them via www.Southampton.gov.uk) they will take a look at the entries & give you the addresses etc. Curiosly enough, I went to school in Southampton with a Clair Le Fevre...not many of them about. Happy hunting, Debbie >-- Original Message -- >From: "Carole Cumber" <ccumber@sprint.ca> >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:11:53 -0500 >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ENG-SOU] LE FEVRE > > >I have been doing extensive research on my ancestor Edmund/Edward LE FEVRE >born in Southampton 1800. >His fathers name was Thomas LE FEVRE and occupation is given as "Silkweaver". >The only other information I have regarding Edmund/Edward prior to his second >marriage in 1854 at St Stephens Church Lambeth is that he was a widower.All >of his history from that document onward takes place in London. >How would I find out more about his birth,parents,first marriage and siblings?,is >an 1851 Census available for Southampton? >I am at a loss as to how to approach this problem and I hope that listers >can be of help, > >Carole in Canada. > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563

Hi List, I have been searching for a long time for information on the marriage of Emily Weaver to David Henry Flood which probably took place in Southampton about 1888 - their first child, William, was born 1890 (exact date unknown) but is listed on the 1891 Census (5 April 1891) as being one year old. Emily was born in Lewes, Sussex, on 30 July 1869 and David was born in Southampton on 5 June 1870. I have tried all the websites I can think of but have come up empty-handed. If anyone can assist me in tracking this down I should be very grateful. Jean (Peterborough, Ont., Canada).

Chris Never heard of Southampton Silver Band but the there was a Southampton Albion Band. Not sure if it still in existence or not. Chris and Caroline Christine Gibbins wrote: >Hi folks, > >Can I jump in on the back of Syd's query? > >I am having trouble in finding out about my Grandfather Frederick Herbert WHITE 1895 - 1960. >He was "said" to be a member of the" Southampton Silver band", whatever that was, he played in the >silver section, sadly anyone who would have remembered have passed on. I have done many Google >searches for bands in Southampton, but not been able to pin him down to one. He was a tram conductor >and then a meter reader when he retired. > >Best wishes, >Chris. Gibbins, >working on >HATLEY South Stoneham / West End and Oxfordshire >GLASSPOOL from Morestead >SILLENCE Lockerley >HARTLEY Sherfield English >TATE Lyndhurst >BIDDLECOMB Eling >WHITE & BOYCE in SOUTHAMPTON > >-----Original Message----- >From: Syd and Judy Hockey [mailto:syd@sydandjudy.freeserve.co.uk] >Sent: 02 December 2004 16:04 >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: SOUTHAMPTON MUSICIANS > ><snip> > > >

Hi folks, Can I jump in on the back of Syd's query? I am having trouble in finding out about my Grandfather Frederick Herbert WHITE 1895 - 1960. He was "said" to be a member of the" Southampton Silver band", whatever that was, he played in the silver section, sadly anyone who would have remembered have passed on. I have done many Google searches for bands in Southampton, but not been able to pin him down to one. He was a tram conductor and then a meter reader when he retired. Best wishes, Chris. Gibbins, working on HATLEY South Stoneham / West End and Oxfordshire GLASSPOOL from Morestead SILLENCE Lockerley HARTLEY Sherfield English TATE Lyndhurst BIDDLECOMB Eling WHITE & BOYCE in SOUTHAMPTON -----Original Message----- From: Syd and Judy Hockey [mailto:syd@sydandjudy.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 02 December 2004 16:04 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SOUTHAMPTON MUSICIANS <snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 30/11/2004

I have been doing extensive research on my ancestor Edmund/Edward LE FEVRE born in Southampton 1800. His fathers name was Thomas LE FEVRE and occupation is given as "Silkweaver". The only other information I have regarding Edmund/Edward prior to his second marriage in 1854 at St Stephens Church Lambeth is that he was a widower.All of his history from that document onward takes place in London. How would I find out more about his birth,parents,first marriage and siblings?,is an 1851 Census available for Southampton? I am at a loss as to how to approach this problem and I hope that listers can be of help, Carole in Canada.

Hello Everybody, I have just found a memorial inscription on the grave of my Great Granduncle, It is inscribed,"This stone is erected In memory of my beloved son JOHN JAMES READ who died 20- 3- 1857 aged 20.Professor of the violin." Could anybody advise me on how I could find out more information about him, would there be any books with information regarding musicians in SOUTHAMPTON for that time. Thank you, Syd Hockey.

Hello Everybody, I have just found a memorial inscription on the grave of my Great Granduncle, It is inscribed,2"This stone is erected In memory of my beloved son JOHN JAMES READ who died 20- 3- 1857 aged 20. Professor of the violin." Could anybody advise me on how I could find out more information about him, would there be any books with information regarding musicians in SOUTHAMPTON for that time. Thank you, Syd Hockey.

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Thank you! I didn't think it was St Michaels', but got out voted!!! I shall inform the rest of my curious team & collect the 50p prize money, which of course I'm happy to pass onto you :):) Debbie >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:24:57 +0000 >From: Dave Jacobs <Dave@Jacobs.net> >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Joe Daflo's >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi Debbie > >As it happens I do know this one, straight off . The church opposite the > >Mayflower theatre, in Commercial Road, is .... >St. Peter's Church. The parish of St Peter's was formed in 1861, from part > >of All Saints Parish, although the church itself had been built in >1845. Independent registers date from 1861. >It became redundant I think in the 1980's, and was sold. >I remember playing table-tennis there (well, in the adjacent hall) against > >St Peter's youth club many years ago. > >Cheers, Dave Jacobs > >PS. St Michael's is one of the ancient churches of Southampton, in fact > >the oldest, within the old town walls. It has Norman parts, and has a >black marble font dating from about 1150. It has a tall slim spire, which > >is the one you can see straight ahead of you when you cross the Itchen >Bridge into Southampton from Woolston. >=============== > >At 18:07 30/11/2004, el.lsa@lineone.net wrote: >>Hi Dave & List >> >>I'm sure someone will know the answer to this...probably Dave! >> >>Whilst having a business lunch last week, one of my colleagues asked the >>name of the former church that is now Joe Daflo's...for those of you who >>are asking where??? it's the old church opposite the Mayflower theatre >>that is now a bar/restaurant. >> >>Just curious...money is on St Michael's :) >> >>Debbie >> >> >> >> >> >>___________________________________________________________ >> >>FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! >> >>http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563 >> >> >> >> >> >>============================== >>Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports >>ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx > > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563

Hi Debbie As it happens I do know this one, straight off . The church opposite the Mayflower theatre, in Commercial Road, is .... St. Peter's Church. The parish of St Peter's was formed in 1861, from part of All Saints Parish, although the church itself had been built in 1845. Independent registers date from 1861. It became redundant I think in the 1980's, and was sold. I remember playing table-tennis there (well, in the adjacent hall) against St Peter's youth club many years ago. Cheers, Dave Jacobs PS. St Michael's is one of the ancient churches of Southampton, in fact the oldest, within the old town walls. It has Norman parts, and has a black marble font dating from about 1150. It has a tall slim spire, which is the one you can see straight ahead of you when you cross the Itchen Bridge into Southampton from Woolston. =============== At 18:07 30/11/2004, el.lsa@lineone.net wrote: >Hi Dave & List > >I'm sure someone will know the answer to this...probably Dave! > >Whilst having a business lunch last week, one of my colleagues asked the >name of the former church that is now Joe Daflo's...for those of you who >are asking where??? it's the old church opposite the Mayflower theatre >that is now a bar/restaurant. > >Just curious...money is on St Michael's :) > >Debbie > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > >FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! > >http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563 > > > > > >============================== >Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports >ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx

Hi Dave & List I'm sure someone will know the answer to this...probably Dave! Whilst having a business lunch last week, one of my colleagues asked the name of the former church that is now Joe Daflo's...for those of you who are asking where??? it's the old church opposite the Mayflower theatre that is now a bar/restaurant. Just curious...money is on St Michael's :) Debbie ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563

Dear Monica I am always happy to acknowledge the debt that correspondents on this list owe to Chris and Caroline, for the helpful work they do and their willingness to put themselves out for other people. I'm sure they won't mind me pointing out though, that there are other people on the list who at times can be almost as helpful, and that therefore requests for help or advice should be addressed to the List as a whole. If questions are put to individual members, it could tend to turn off others who might be able to help. Having said that, on your particular query, I can't get into the Archives for a week or so, being about to go off to some German Christmas Markets. Meanwhile, why not send an email to the helpful people at local.studies@southampton.gov.uk who I am sure will take a look for Louisa Burton's baptism in the bound volumes of parish registers they have in their collection? Also I sent out a week or so ago the information from them about the 1861 census plans. For those who missed it, here is their reply again: === Dear Mr Jacobs Our index to the 1861 census will be published as a CD, as the 1871 census has been. There is no date yet for this publication We will be including all the areas we covered on the 1871 census The Family History Club is transcribing, checking, and computerising the 1861 census enumeration district by enumeration district: as each district is added to the database, we print out a surname index for that district. Each time we complete another 10 districts, we create a merged index and print out a surname index for all those districts. The present position is: Surname index Southampton Enumeration Districts 1-20 & Workhouse (merged) Surname indexes Southampton Enumeration Districts 21-29 (separate) I now am preparing Enumeration District 30 for adding to the database, and I hope to have created a merged surname index for districts 1-30 by Christmas. There are 47 districts in Southampton itself, and these are all at various stages of being completed. We have also just started work on St Mary Extra, which will be followed by South Stoneham and Millbrook. As the work is very definitely "in progress", it will always be worth checking for additions. Yours Vicky Green Special Collections Library Southampton Reference Library Civic Centre Southampton SO14 7LW Tel 023 8083 2205 =============== Cheers, Dave Jacobs List Administrator ============= At 17:19 28/11/2004, Monicaselway@aol.com wrote: >Hi Chris & Caroline, >Sorry to nag you again but,can anyone help me find a Baptism possibly 1825 >Southampton. >As Dave has said the 1841 census is very trying.I visited the FRC Myddleton >st London 2 yrs ago and after some time I eventually found my BURTON family >living in FRENCH STREET ST. JOHN. >OLIVIA BURTON AGE 46 OCCUPATION IND >LOUISA BURTON AGE 16 " STAY MAKER. >Then on the 1851 cunsus more BURTONS, MY GREAT GRANDFATHER >JOHN BURTON & family address SIMNEL STREET PARISH OF ST MICHAEL. > >Is it possible to find a BAPTISM for LOUISA BURTON ? 1825 ,THAT IS ,IF HER >AGE WAS RIGHT ON THE 1841 CENSUS. >Do you know when the 1861 census will be on sale , then I can continue my >search for the BURTONS OF SOUTHAMPTON TOWN. >Many thanks for any help or advice re the above. > >Monica. > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi Elenor Now we have sorted out the distance bit, I'm interested in the time aspect. Of course it depends on the means of transport used. 1840 was when the railway from Southampton to London was built. It would have been possible then to get to Andover by train, in an hour or so I'd guess. I think stage coaches were still running though, and again it would probably take a couple of hours. Poor people in no hurry might travel with the local carrier by horse and cart, and this could take most of a day, but be cheap. Cheaper still to walk, but this might need two days, with a sleep in a barn around Winchester! Maybe only one day if a fine one, in summer. Much depends on who is doing the travelling, and why. Some one needing to make the trip on business would use one of the first two means, but a labourer looking for work, stopping at various farms on the way, could take several days. Or of course if he found work, might stop off on the way for weeks or months... I'd be very interested in knowing the background to your query if you have the time. Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 19:49 25/11/2004, you wrote: >Hello all, > >Can anyone give me an idea of how far in terms of distance and time >Andover would have been from Southampton in the early 1840s? > >Many thanks, Eleanor B. C. Canada > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx