Well I certainly fell for it, simple soul that I am. There I was displaying my new found knowledge to my husband and younger son. Good one, Chris & Caroline. Jeanne >From: Dave Jacobs <Dave@Jacobs.net> >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Prail Island >Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:10:13 +0100 > >Prail I. = April I > >Good Joke! Who made this up then? > >Cheers Dave J >============ > > _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Prail I. = April I Good Joke! Who made this up then? Cheers Dave J ============ At 23:14 31/03/2004, Chris & Caroline wrote: >If anybody has any other information on Prail Island we would be >grateful as cannot find anything via Search Engines. >Chris and Caroline > > >WIDGEONS ATLAS OF THE BRITISH ISLES >Prail island, is a tiny island was once part of the British Isles and >until 1944 was used as a staging post for German and Italian >prisoners of war, that had been transported to the UK from the >continent. > >The island consisted of an area of approximately forty acres of >pastureland situated about eight miles south >of the Isle of Wight, in the English Channel, and was once a part of the >Channel Islands. > >Discovery of this island was made by Captain Nathaniel Cleaver on the >19th March 1644 , while the Civil war >was raging in England. He was sailing back to England from France >having just kept a secret rendezvous with French >politicians who favoured Cromwells Parliamentatians. > >The French had donated twelve tons of gunpowder and some small portable >cannon to Cromwell and it was Cleavers >mission to collect them and land unobserved in Dorset. But during the >night a storm blew up and forced the ship off course >where it ran aground on rocks that had not been recorded on the charts. > >During 1943 - 44 over eight hundred German Officer prisoners of war were >held here in wooden huts surrounded by a barbed wire enclosure. A >minimum contigent of guards were needed as the nearest land was the Isle >of Wight which lay several miles away. > >Though records show that a number of attempts to escape were made. One >of the most notorious of Germany's Panzer Generals, General Wolfgang >Dieter von Krumpf was held here before being shipped to London for >interrogation. It was during this interrogation that the allies first >learned about Hitlers scheme to used chemical weapons against London. >The camp was closed down at the end of 1944 and the island was put back >to its natural state. The great storm of October 1952 did much damage to >the island, and due to the strong fast tides that this storm created >most of the cliffs crumbled and fell into the sea. >All that remains today is a small pile of rocks that lie just below the >surface of the English Channel and is known as the Solent Reef. > >--- >All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl >updates >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Dave, Thanks for help on Streets etc. If you could possibly scan Chapel/St. Marys area of the 1890 map that you have I would be very grateful. Seems that most of my relatives at that time only lived around there, so would be good to know how close everybody was to each other. Thanks linda

If anybody has any other information on Prail Island we would be grateful as cannot find anything via Search Engines. Chris and Caroline WIDGEONS ATLAS OF THE BRITISH ISLES Prail island, is a tiny island was once part of the British Isles and until 1944 was used as a staging post for German and Italian prisoners of war, that had been transported to the UK from the continent. The island consisted of an area of approximately forty acres of pastureland situated about eight miles south of the Isle of Wight, in the English Channel, and was once a part of the Channel Islands. Discovery of this island was made by Captain Nathaniel Cleaver on the 19th March 1644 , while the Civil war was raging in England. He was sailing back to England from France having just kept a secret rendezvous with French politicians who favoured Cromwells Parliamentatians. The French had donated twelve tons of gunpowder and some small portable cannon to Cromwell and it was Cleavers mission to collect them and land unobserved in Dorset. But during the night a storm blew up and forced the ship off course where it ran aground on rocks that had not been recorded on the charts. During 1943 - 44 over eight hundred German Officer prisoners of war were held here in wooden huts surrounded by a barbed wire enclosure. A minimum contigent of guards were needed as the nearest land was the Isle of Wight which lay several miles away. Though records show that a number of attempts to escape were made. One of the most notorious of Germany's Panzer Generals, General Wolfgang Dieter von Krumpf was held here before being shipped to London for interrogation. It was during this interrogation that the allies first learned about Hitlers scheme to used chemical weapons against London. The camp was closed down at the end of 1944 and the island was put back to its natural state. The great storm of October 1952 did much damage to the island, and due to the strong fast tides that this storm created most of the cliffs crumbled and fell into the sea. All that remains today is a small pile of rocks that lie just below the surface of the English Channel and is known as the Solent Reef. --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004

FreeBMD is at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Better because it is complete, but costs a little, is http://www.1837online.com/ Dave Jacobs ========= At 17:49 29/03/2004, zgordo@webtv.net wrote: >I would like to take a break,but I'm getting more done so onward I go. > >From a list member of a different list. >Incidently how do I access free BMD.I have tried with no sucess. >HAROLD WARREN BLATCHFORD >born March qtr 1895 >died Dec qtr 1895. >My point of interest.? >On the 1891 census Lucy nee Warren was age 36,On the 1901 census Lucy >was missing.? >This woman had about 12 children. >If she passed away during child birth.? >She was 40 years old.? >Can someone find her death record for me. >Lucy has been elusive for long time.If Harold was born in >Southampton,She more than likely died in Southampton.? >It is also a possibily that Harold Warren Blatchford is not a rellative >of mine.? > >keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello Eleanor You could try e-mailing Jo Smith at Southampton archives; jo.smith@southampton.gov.uk You could ask her to look at the baptism index cards for your family. She's extremely helpful & if they were baptised at St Mary's, I'm sure she'll find them. Best wishes Debbie >-- Original Message -- >From: "Eleanor" <crowe@oberon.ark.com> >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:12:46 -0800 >Subject: [ENG-SOU] BLAKE births >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi all, > >I have been unable to find birth index entries on Freebmd, 1837 on line or >in the fiche at the local LDS office for any of the following children of >Hannah BLAKE: > >James, born about 1839 >Anna, born about 1841 >George, born about 1844 > >These 3 children were, according to all census information (except the 1891 >census for Anna - married name is DREW ) born in Southampton, Hants. > >In the 1891 census the birth place is more specific for Anna and says St >Mary, Southampton. It may be a "census mistake" as that's where all her >children were born but it's what I have to go on. > >Can someone tell me where I might write to have the parish registers for >St Mary searched? I would most like to find Anna's birth or baptism but >would be happy to find the others also. > >It seems that all of Hannah's children were illegitimate. Anna named a James >Hurdle as her father on her marriage certificate. I have found and bought >the birth certificate for a younger child born in Dorset in 1849 and there >is no father named on that. > >Many thanks, Eleanor > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Debbie, Thanks very much. I'll do just that. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: <el.lsa@lineone.net> To: "Eleanor" <crowe@oberon.ark.com>; <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-SOU] BLAKE births > Hello Eleanor > > You could try e-mailing Jo Smith at Southampton archives; > > jo.smith@southampton.gov.uk > > You could ask her to look at the baptism index cards for your family. > > She's extremely helpful & if they were baptised at St Mary's, I'm sure she'll > find them. > > Best wishes > > Debbie > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: "Eleanor" <crowe@oberon.ark.com> > >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:12:46 -0800 > >Subject: [ENG-SOU] BLAKE births > >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Hi all, > > > >I have been unable to find birth index entries on Freebmd, 1837 on line > or > >in the fiche at the local LDS office for any of the following children > of > >Hannah BLAKE: > > > >James, born about 1839 > >Anna, born about 1841 > >George, born about 1844 > > > >These 3 children were, according to all census information (except the > 1891 > >census for Anna - married name is DREW ) born in Southampton, Hants. > > > >In the 1891 census the birth place is more specific for Anna and says St > >Mary, Southampton. It may be a "census mistake" as that's where all her > >children were born but it's what I have to go on. > > > >Can someone tell me where I might write to have the parish registers for > >St Mary searched? I would most like to find Anna's birth or baptism but > >would be happy to find the others also. > > > >It seems that all of Hannah's children were illegitimate. Anna named a > James > >Hurdle as her father on her marriage certificate. I have found and bought > >the birth certificate for a younger child born in Dorset in 1849 and there > >is no father named on that. > > > >Many thanks, Eleanor > > > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >

Sorry if the last email from me came out all squiffy, I'll try again. I was sent this today from the Southampton Archive Dept and thought some of it might be of use. " We have copies of 'Southampton's Inns and Taverns' by Tony Gallaher - one of these is an unpublished version which goes into more detail about licensees than the published copy does.  I checked the Melbourne Arms, 35 Melbourne Street, and found that he had written the following about the pub: 'This old pub, which belonged to Scrase's Star Brewery in the early years of this century, later became the property of Strong's Romsey Brewery.  The pub closed in the 1930s to become a private residence, occupied by Mrs Tusler, the widow of the pub's last licensee.  The building was finally demolished when the area around the gas works was redeveloped in the 1960s. John Holly was the landlord of this pub in 1874, G.Lowe was there in 1878, and William Lake had the pub between 1884 and 1886.  W. Billett was there in 1887, Charlotte Avery was the landlady  in 1899, and W.G. King had the pub from 1903 until 1904 when John Tusler, the pub's final licensee, took over.'   Kelly's Street Directories are another useful source for tracking licensees of pubs.  These were published from the 19th century to 1975, and include listings of local residents (in order of streets and alphabetically), as well as details of businesses (including pubs).  We hold a fairly good collection of these (although the Special Collections Library based in the Central library have more 19th century directories than we do).    Dock Terrace is the name of a 19th century terrace of houses in Deal Street, Southampton.  There was also a Dock Street which ran between Queen's Road and Dock Terrace.  Marine Street was located in the Chapel area of Southampton and ran between Standford Street and Princess Street. We hold Ordnance Survey maps of Southampton for 1865, 1897, 1910 and 1933.  They are available to view here, or we could copy relevant sections for you - it costs 15p per A4 sheet or 25p for A3.   We also hold some photographs of Southampton in the past.  A number of these can be viewed on 'Showcase' a database of digitised images on the city's web site.  I think that there may well be images of Melbourne Street at least included on this.  You can search Showcase by going to www.southampton.gov.uk/Libraries/Information/Special/Showcase then use the subject search to search by street name.  I hope that this helps in the first instance." I tried going to this web address, but it wouldn't work so by going to each part separatly you can get to the same place. Very interesting. linda

Does anyone familiar with Shirley have any idea of the origin of the large metal bell situated on the ground at the boundary of the parking area/pavement opposite the second-hand bookshop in Emsworth Road, near the junction with Shirley High Street? It has no apparent purpose, and has been there all the time I've been living in the area (10 Years) This has puzzled me for some time now, so I do hope someone can enlighten me! Thanks, Sara

Linda, You could also try the Ordnance Survey at www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ , under Historical Mapping. They have a range of maps, for different years and to different scales. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Caroline" <chris@chayles.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-SOU] Southampton Street Map > If Dave cannot help on this one Linda contact the archives section of > Southampton City Council. > Try Jo Smith at : > > jo.smith@southampton.gov.uk > > she is extremely helpful on these matters. > > Chris and Caroline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rosserl106@aol.com [mailto:Rosserl106@aol.com] > Sent: 28 March 2004 15:09 > To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-SOU] Southampton Street Map > > > Hello List, > Does anyone know if it's possible to get a detailed street map of > Southampton > circa 1880/1900 especially showing city centre, St Marys ,Northam > areas? Also does anyone know how to go about finding out about old pubs > in those > areas, namely the Melbourne Arms, Melbourne Street as I've turned up a > gr gr gr > grandmother, Mary Lake, who on 1881 census was a 'Retailer of beer' at > this > address as well as living there with her family. > Many thanks, > Linda > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.627 / Virus Database: 402 - Release Date: 16/03/2004 > > --- > All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl > updates > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.627 / Virus Database: 402 - Release Date: 16/03/2004 > > > ______________________________

Hi all, I have been unable to find birth index entries on Freebmd, 1837 on line or in the fiche at the local LDS office for any of the following children of Hannah BLAKE: James, born about 1839 Anna, born about 1841 George, born about 1844 These 3 children were, according to all census information (except the 1891 census for Anna - married name is DREW ) born in Southampton, Hants. In the 1891 census the birth place is more specific for Anna and says St Mary, Southampton. It may be a "census mistake" as that's where all her children were born but it's what I have to go on. Can someone tell me where I might write to have the parish registers for St Mary searched? I would most like to find Anna's birth or baptism but would be happy to find the others also. It seems that all of Hannah's children were illegitimate. Anna named a James Hurdle as her father on her marriage certificate. I have found and bought the birth certificate for a younger child born in Dorset in 1849 and there is no father named on that. Many thanks, Eleanor

The Southampton Special collection library have some quite detailed maps and at one time sold copies (scaled down a bit) but I don't think they do these any more. The old Ordnance Survey maps don't tend to be detailed enough. Try www.old-maps.co.uk for Melbourne Street to give you some idea where it is. Melbourne Arms is not in their index. Hope this helps Hilary

Excellent site! Thank you for posting the link Jeanne. Judy Mills, Toronto > > I just received this from the Middlesex list and thought it was > too good not > to pass on. > Some of you may know about it already but newcomers may find it > interesting. > > http://go.to/genmaps > > > Jeanne > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.645 / Virus Database: 413 - Release Date: 3/28/2004

Hi All, especially Linda Melbourne Street still exists, although all the pre-war buildings are gone and there are mostly small business units there now. It runs parallel to the rail line to the Docks, in Northam/St Mary's. I used to park there when attending a course at Southampton City College, which is nearby in St Mary's St. As for locating pubs, that's easy. You just have to look at the Street Directory for Southampton for that period, copies of which are at Southampton Local Studies Library. If the friendly people there can't get you a photocopy of the entry listing the Melbourne Arms, I'll see what I can do later on. local.studies@southampton.gov.uk Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== PS. I have a volume of old Town & City maps that includes one for Southampton around 1890, and shows Melbourne Street clearly. If you can't find a useful one on-line anywhere, ask me and I'll either scan it or photograph it for you. ========================= At 15:08 28/03/2004, Rosserl106@aol.com wrote: >Hello List, >Does anyone know if it's possible to get a detailed street map of Southampton >circa 1880/1900 especially showing city centre, St Marys ,Northam areas? >Also does anyone know how to go about finding out about old pubs in those >areas, namely the Melbourne Arms, Melbourne Street as I've turned up a gr >gr gr >grandmother, Mary Lake, who on 1881 census was a 'Retailer of beer' at this >address as well as living there with her family. >Many thanks, >Linda > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Sandra, and other Listers I'm afraid you exaggerate my knowledge of Southampton's collections, but I usually know where to go to ask. Mention of World War I service reminds me that there is a volume for Southampton of a book called I think 'National Roll for The Great War', a copy of which is in Southampton Local Studies Library. This contains in alphabetical order the names of people who did anything of note during the Great War, and notes of their service. I'm sure the good people at local.studies@southampton.gov.uk would look up a name for anyone, and if desired send a photocopy for a small fee. I think also the |Local Studies Library would be my first port of call for your query about that Echo supplement. They have various indexes that might help. Failing that, I would use that Echo address that John Parker gave us recently. They would presumably have somewhere in their files records of what special issues they have produced over the years. If they can give dates for these issues, they can be looked up on film in Southampton Local Studies Library. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== On 28/03/2004, Sandra J Smith wrote: >Hi David, > >Here is a bit of a puzzle, which, with your knowledge of the Southampton >collections, you might be able to help me with. > >Back in 1958 when my grandmother died, I can remember being shown a >newspaper cutting which detailed the World War I service of members of her >family (all Southampton folk). Over the years I have tried to discover >who retained the cutting, but everyone denied having it, although all >remember seeing it. I also had a go years ago at trying to find the >original but to no avail. > >I am sure that the article was entitled something like "The Patriotic >Picketts" and mentioned not only my grandfather Harry Foskett, but also my >grandmother's brothers Owen Pickett, Norman Pickett and other members of >the Pickett family. The article was post 1918, but may have been >pre-1921, as I am sure my grandfather was still alive at the time. (He >died in Sep 1920) > >I was told recently that the Echo ran a supplement for a time after WW1 >featuring a number of Southampton families who had lost family members >in the conflict. Do you know of this supplement? Does it still exist? >Is it indexed? I am particularly interested as I seem to remember there >were photographs of the family along the top of the article, and I dont >have photos of any of my grandmother's brothers. > >Regards >Sandra > > > >Dave Jacobs wrote: > >>Hi List, and John >> >>This is a valuable address to have for all kinds of reasons, and I thank >>John for suggesting it. >> >>Not being sure how responsive they'd be to looking up something from 70 >>years ago, I took a look myself using the filmed version at Southampton >>Local Studies Library, yesterday. >> >>There is short report from the Hampshire Assizes in the issue of >>Wednesday February 18, 1931, headed >>DIVORCE AT THE ASSIZES. >> >>As Noreen didn't give the names involved in her inquiry to the List I >>won't give the details here, but will send them to Noreen privately. >> >>But I notice the List is terribly quiet lately, and in view of the >>massive amount of useful material available in the City, I wonder what is >>holding people back from pursuing their research by way of the >>Southampton List. It's all very well to sit back and observe, but it is >>highly unlikely that someone else is going to be researching the same >>families as you, and telling you about it on the List. >> >>Be pro-active, as the modern cliche has it! >> >>Cheers, Dave Jacobs >>=============== >> >>At 23:01 27/03/2004, Parkerfamhist@aol.com wrote: >> >>>Or you might try this: >>> >>>Southern Daily Echo >>>Newspaper House >>>Test Lane >>>Redbridge >>>Southampton >>>SO16 9JX >>> >>>Editor - Ian Murray >>> >>>letters@soton-echo.co.uk >>>Letters to the Editor >>> >>>T: 023 8042 4777 (Main) >>>F: 023 8042 4770 (Main) >>> >>>www.thisissouthampton.co.uk >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>> >>>John Parker >>>Romsey, Hampshire, England >>>E-mail: ParkerFamHist@aol.com >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >

I just received this from the Middlesex list and thought it was too good not to pass on. Some of you may know about it already but newcomers may find it interesting. http://go.to/genmaps Jeanne _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

I would like to take a break,but I'm getting more done so onward I go. >From a list member of a different list. Incidently how do I access free BMD.I have tried with no sucess. HAROLD WARREN BLATCHFORD born March qtr 1895 died Dec qtr 1895. My point of interest.? On the 1891 census Lucy nee Warren was age 36,On the 1901 census Lucy was missing.? This woman had about 12 children. If she passed away during child birth.? She was 40 years old.? Can someone find her death record for me. Lucy has been elusive for long time.If Harold was born in Southampton,She more than likely died in Southampton.? It is also a possibily that Harold Warren Blatchford is not a rellative of mine.? keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger

Hi Karen I looked at the 1851 census index for Southampton, and this family was closest to the one you mentioned: Ref 1669/899 George HILLIER 27 Emma 27 Emma 5 George 2 Charles 5 months ========== Hillier is a common name in this area, and there were a great many more families, but this seemed nearest to the George born about 1850. I'm a bit worried about your phrase 'no other details are known', as I'm sure you or your friend must have a chain of information in order to have got back that far. Family remembrances are all very well, but at a distance of 150 years, most people's memories are beginning to fail! Or, more seriously, family stories tend to get vague and unsubstantiated. Anything else I can do? Cheers, Dave Jacobs ================ At 18:18 21/03/2004, Karen wrote: >Hi, > >I'm doing some research for a friend and was hoping that someone on this >list could help. > >Is there an 1851 Census index for Southampton? If so, could anyone with >access to it possibly look up a George Thomas HILLIER, born about 1850 in >Southampton. Unfortunately, no other details are known. > >Thank you to anyone who can help. > >Best wishes, >Karen > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello Angela, and List As you said you hadn't heard again from the person who gave you the LAWES info from the 1851 census, I took a look myself the other day while at Southampton Local Studies Library, and found the following that may be of interest: 1871 Census index, 1199/36 reference for all - Southampton John Rolfe, 84 b Southampton Mary Rolfe 84 " Ann Lawes 42 " Edwin Lawes 14 b Shirley John T Lawes 12 " Catherine Lawes 10 " =============== 1851 Census index, 1670/467 reference, Millbrook John Rolfe 64 b Southampton Mary Ann R0lfe 63 " William Rolfe 37 " Ann Rolfe 22 " ============= You are probably interested in getting copies of these actual pages, which give the vital additional information about relationships, occupations and addresses. If you contact the Southampton Local Studies Library local.studies@southampton.gov.uk quoting the names and reference, they will probably do them for you, for a small fee. Failing that, the Hampshire Record Office could do the same, as they too have these censuses on film. sadeax@hants.gov.uk If you have any trouble, by all means get back to me. I took a look at the books of parish register transcripts too, and ... You had Ann Rolfe's baptism, and I found William's (probably her elder brother): St Mary's Southampton, 18 June 1815, William son of John & Mary Rolfe, Queen St, labourer I also found what may be John's: Holy Rood Southampton, 24 Jan 1788, John son of Thomas & Ann Rolfe But I failed to find the marriage of John Rolfe and Mary Ann in the Southampton parishes, although it may have been in All Saints. The Southampton Library has lost the volume from 1813 to 1837, but there is a copy in the Hampshire Record Office! Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== PS, No Angela, my Jacobs ancestry is from the Avon Valley in Wiltshire, at least back to a 1730 marriage. ==================================== At 21:09 21/03/2004, Angela Henderson wrote: >Hello Dave > >Thank you for your offer of help, I have not recieved an email back from the >lady who helped me before. So I am still looking for this family and very >hopefully more of them in Southampton. There is a John and Mary having >children in Kingsclere I am unsure if they would say this was Southampton on >a Census > >All 3 say they are born in Southampton I give approx ages in 1851 > >John ROLFE 64 >Mary ROLFE 64 >Ann ROLFE 22 or 23 she doesn't marry until 1854 in Millbrook > >Are you related to Jacobs families of Hampshire? I have Jacobs in my family >in Romsey early 1800's namely George and Mary (Pelham) > >Yours >Angela >Chapel en le Frith, Derbyshire, UK > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Jacobs [mailto:Dave@Jacobs.net] >Sent: 17 March 2004 14:14 >To: Angela Henderson >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] RE: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-D Digest V04 #53 > > >Hi Angela > >I see someone did the wrong lookup for you, Lawes instead of Rolfe. > >I can't get in to the Library before next Monday, but if you haven't >received any useful info by then, send me an email by Monday morning and >I'll see what I can find. > >Cheers, Dave Jacobs >=============== > >At 18:58 16/03/2004, you wrote: > >Jo and Dave, > >Thank you for your comments and I'm sorry not to put in all the information > >in my previous mail. > > > >ANN ROLPH marries 11th March 1854 at Millbrook to WILLIAM LAWES. William is > >of Shirley son of George. > >Ann says of Romsey daughter of John a lab both of Full age > > > > 1881 Census, 86 Pound St, Millbrook, Hampshire > > Ann LAWS head widow (53) born Southampton, >Edwin > >(26) U son Baker (journeyman) born Shirley > > Catherine (20) U daug Teacher born Shirley, > >Fanny D in Law (23) wife of Coachman born Winterslow > > 1901 Census, Shirley, Southampton > > Ann LOWES (72) born Southampton > > > >FREE BMD death Dec 1902 Ann Lawes (74) south stoneham 2c 46 > > > > JOHN ROLFE born about 1787 Southampton > > > > marriage > > > > to MARY who is born about 1787 in Southampton > > > > children > > > >1828 June 1st ANN baptised St Mary's, Southampton > > > > 1871 Census, probably Millbrook living with widowed > >daughter Ann (information from my mum) > > John Rolfe (84) gardener born Soton > > Mary Rolfe (84) born Soton > > > > > >I don't have access to the 1851 census for Southampton, but I would be very > >grateful to someone who does to look up John, Mary , Ann and hopefully some > >other children > > > >Thank you > >Angela > >Chapel en le Frith, Derbyshire, UK > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi List, First apologies for cross-posting, but I think the following is an important issue for family historians, amongst others. The Government has issued a consultation paper about new proposals for the re-use of burial grounds in England and Wales. As I read it, not only would existing graves more than 100 years old be redug to create more space, but there is even a proposal that existing memorial stones could be re-used to commemorate new interments, even though they bore no relationship to the original occupant. I shudder for the genealogists of the future!! The government is inviting comment and you may wish to make your opinions known. Copies of the paper entitled "Burial Law and Policy in the 21st Century" can be found on: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/inside/consults/current/index.html You have until July to make your views known. Regards Sandra Smith