Happy Easter to everyone, hope there's not too much "truffling" (of chocolate) going on out there.... If there is - enjoy!! Is there anyone else out there researching the surname of COX? I'm particularly looking for anyone who might be connected with the family of Dorothy Violet Selina COX, born Oct 1895. On the 1901 census, Dorothy (aka Dolly) was living at 25 Norman Road, Freemantle with her mother Edith (aged 28) and siblings Daisey (sic), Percival and Ivy (aged 8, 2 and 1). I know that Dorothy had other siblings called Florence, Gladys, Queenie, May, Susy, Tommy and Harold. Were these children younger, hence not showing on the census? Where was Mr COX? Dorothy went on to marry Ernest Richard BENDELL (born Sep Qtr 1896 - South Stoneham) in 1921 - and I would like to know a more about his family. By complete coincidence, my Gt Gt Grandfather William Henry GARLAND and his family were living at 4 Norman Road, Freemantle - I wonder if the families knew each other at all. One of William's granddaughters - Edna Joyce GARLAND - went on to marry the son of Dorothy and Ernest BENDELL- Francis (Ern) BENDELL - but not until 1946!! I'd be grateful to hear from anyone researching these particular families. Thanks and Regards Alison Hargreaves, Swindon, UK --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 08/04/2004

What was her name Roger? The reason I ask is that my gran lived at 20 Brassey Road and my aunt at 50!! The Hampshire Chronicle is the paper you want, they are on line. Chris -----Original Message----- From: zgordo@webtv.net [mailto:zgordo@webtv.net] Sent: 10 April 2004 17:56 To: Chris & Caroline Subject: RE: [ENG-SOU] RE: Southampton Newspapers Happy Easter to you. I am trying to get my grandmothers obit she died 11 nov 1952 at # 40 Brassey Rd Winchester.Which newspaper would be most likely to have a copy of it. I am off list right know so I can process all the paperwork.I need fresh information in order to proceed. keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 09/04/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 09/04/2004

Just to wish everybody on the list a very Happy Easter and hope you have a great weekend Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004

Hi Karen If no-one volunteers to do this for you - and I'm afraid I'm very busy right now myself - why not ask the helpful people at the local studies library? I know they have access to directories, and to an unpublished book about Southampton inns, etc. local.studies@southampton.gov.uk Good luck, Dave Jacobs ==================== At 07:57 08/04/2004, Lynn Karen wrote: >During the early part of the 20th Century, Frank and Caroline KUNTZE >managed the South Western Hotel in Canute Road, Southampton. I have them >recorded there in 1901 and 1902 - but don't know exactly when they arrived >there and when they left. Maybe someone can provide some additional bits >of information. > >The 1901 Census records the family at the South Western Hotel, Terminus >Terrace and Canute Road: >KUNTZE, Frank; Head; 52; born Germany N B Subj; Hotel Manager; Employer, >Working at Home >KUNTZE, Caroline; Wife; 45; born Birmingham; Manageress; Employer, Working >at Home >KUNTZE, Pauline; Daughter; 19; born Birmingham; Storekeeper; Working at Home >KUNTZE, Hermann; Son; 17; born Birmingham; Clerk; Working at Home > >Kelly's 1902 directory also records Frank KUNTZE as manager at the South >Western Hotel. > >Pauline Louise KUNTZE married Percy Vincent BOWYER on 22 February 1906, >and we have a photograph of a most magnificent wedding cake, which was >apparently made in the kitchens of the South Western Hotel - but was >Pauline's father still manager or did he just still have contacts there? > >Frank had died by 1911, when Kelly's records Mrs KUNTZE living at Ashlett, >Church Lane, Highfield. > >Frank and Caroline married in Aston, Birmingham - and their children were >both born there - but I don't know when they first came to >Southampton. Does the surname KUNTZE occur in the 1891 Census index for >Southampton (or indeed for anywhere else)? > >Intriguingly, the 1895 Kelly's records a Carl KUNTZE at the Turk's Head >Public House, 1 West Street, Southampton. Is Carl a >misprint/mistranscription of Caroline - or is this another Kuntze >entirely? It's not a particularly common name, although the 1881 Census >index does include other Kuntze families in the UK (but frustratingly I >can't find Frank and the 7+ months' pregnant Caroline - Pauline was born >on 22 May 1881). It's also not unknown for Kellys to get things wrong: >the 1911 edition records Percy Ernest BOWYER, auctioneer. The future >Mayor of Southampton (and husband of Pauline Louise KUNTZE mentioned >above) was actually Percy Vincent BOWYER. Does anyone know any other way >of checking the proprietor of the Turk's Head (directories for other years >adjacent to 1895, other records)? > >Many thanks in anticipation of any help, or pointers for me to follow up. > >Karen > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

During the early part of the 20th Century, Frank and Caroline KUNTZE managed the South Western Hotel in Canute Road, Southampton. I have them recorded there in 1901 and 1902 - but don't know exactly when they arrived there and when they left. Maybe someone can provide some additional bits of information. The 1901 Census records the family at the South Western Hotel, Terminus Terrace and Canute Road: KUNTZE, Frank; Head; 52; born Germany N B Subj; Hotel Manager; Employer, Working at Home KUNTZE, Caroline; Wife; 45; born Birmingham; Manageress; Employer, Working at Home KUNTZE, Pauline; Daughter; 19; born Birmingham; Storekeeper; Working at Home KUNTZE, Hermann; Son; 17; born Birmingham; Clerk; Working at Home Kelly's 1902 directory also records Frank KUNTZE as manager at the South Western Hotel. Pauline Louise KUNTZE married Percy Vincent BOWYER on 22 February 1906, and we have a photograph of a most magnificent wedding cake, which was apparently made in the kitchens of the South Western Hotel - but was Pauline's father still manager or did he just still have contacts there? Frank had died by 1911, when Kelly's records Mrs KUNTZE living at Ashlett, Church Lane, Highfield. Frank and Caroline married in Aston, Birmingham - and their children were both born there - but I don't know when they first came to Southampton. Does the surname KUNTZE occur in the 1891 Census index for Southampton (or indeed for anywhere else)? Intriguingly, the 1895 Kelly's records a Carl KUNTZE at the Turk's Head Public House, 1 West Street, Southampton. Is Carl a misprint/mistranscription of Caroline - or is this another Kuntze entirely? It's not a particularly common name, although the 1881 Census index does include other Kuntze families in the UK (but frustratingly I can't find Frank and the 7+ months' pregnant Caroline - Pauline was born on 22 May 1881). It's also not unknown for Kellys to get things wrong: the 1911 edition records Percy Ernest BOWYER, auctioneer. The future Mayor of Southampton (and husband of Pauline Louise KUNTZE mentioned above) was actually Percy Vincent BOWYER. Does anyone know any other way of checking the proprietor of the Turk's Head (directories for other years adjacent to 1895, other records)? Many thanks in anticipation of any help, or pointers for me to follow up. Karen

Hi Karen, I have no info on the family but I do have a photo of the South Western Hotel in the early 1900s if you would like me to e-mail you a copy? Martin

I am off to see a wizard about record management.If you need to contact me .Please do so off list. keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger

Hello to all, I'm trying to find information about Edward Alphonsus BURGESS & his wife Rose Agnes BROWN, who married in St Joseph's Catholic church Southampton in 1885, & their children: Mary Agnes b 1886 Southampton, Madeline Martha b c1889 Sydney NSW Australia & John Alfred b 1891 Melbourne Vic Australia. I found Madeline in the 1901 English census living with her Brown relatives at 9 Terminus Tce Southampton but it isn't known where her parents & siblings were as I was unable to find them in the 1901 census. Does anyone know of this family or their descendants? I'd be grateful for any information. Helen Tracy NSW Australia

From the Harleian,Bishop of Winchester's Hampshire Marriage Allegations Henry Pitt 17 dec 1730 Elizabeth Hursley Read Twyford or All Sta Soton Ham Hy Pitt 13 may 1672 Ann Searle Holy Rood Southon Ham Soton and Southon are Southampton So Pitt family was in Southampton.?Are We Related.? ........................................................................... Mary Ann Pitt 30 may 1822 Thomas Grace Millbrook Ham Moses Pitt 30 dec 1812 Elizabeth Edwards Millbrook Ham Martha Pitt and Tom Head moved to Millbrook in 1901.To be with his wifes family..? .......................................................................... John Pitt 25 aug 1701 Mary unknown surname Christchurch Ham John is a possible prediatsor of Martha Pitt and Tom Head my ggparents,Both Tom and Martha were born in Christchurch. Are We Related.? keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger

Dear Roger I am sure there are people on this List who can be of help to you. However, I am not sure from this note whether: 1: You are just keeping us informed as to the state of your research, or 2: You are hoping someone else has researched your family and will get in touch with you telling you all you want to know, or 3: You would like some assistance in looking up records or obtaining certificates, or 4: You might appreciate some advice as to what to do next. Whichever it is, why not try being more direct? |You could get results. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== PS Some comments below... ========================= At 19:10 03/04/2004, zgordo@webtv.net wrote: >I will no longer search for Lucy Warren Blatchford or her last child >Harold Warren Blatchford WHY.? >I will need to purchase the death record for Harold Warren Blatchford >Dec qtr 1895 vol2cpage 28. == Why? It probably won't tell you much, only the age, date and place of death, cause of death and name and relationship of informant. Not a lot for 7 pounds. ==== >His mother Lucy nee Warren Blatchford disappeared between 1895 and the >1901 census.The family lived on Queens rd.off Winchester off Winton >Rd.in Southampton. >at this time.according to the 1891 and 1901 census.On the 1901 census >Lucy is missing. >Lucy gave conflicting birth places.now I understand why. Registration was >done in Falmouth Cornwall instead on Flushing[Mylor Parish] Cornwall at >the time which is 1855. == I'm not sure people would deliberately distinguish between the place where they were born, the parish where they might have been baptised, and the district where they were registered, when asked the simple question 'where were you born?'. If she said Flushing in one census and Falmouth in another, it was probably because in the second case she thought people would be more likely to know where Falmouth was, than Flushing or Mylor. ==== >I have been unable to find records of her birth, death, marriage. nothing >but what is on the census returns.which can be erroranous. == Have you tried 1837Online, or is that another web site your ISP will not allow you access to? If that is so, I would advise changing to a kinder one. ==== >Thank you all who have helped. > >keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

On the 1914-1915 Kellys Directory which gives Eastleigh No8 Blenheim Road was occupied by Charles NICHOLAS Edward Alred NICHOLLS owned a grocers at 325 Market Street Easleigh at this time as well. Chris and Caroline -----Original Message----- From: NANLEONA@aol.com [mailto:NANLEONA@aol.com] Sent: 05 April 2004 03:19 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SOU] Pub Owner/Operator? Charles NICHOLS I am trying to find information on a Charles Nichols, married to a Harriett ?? who lived at 8 Blenheim Rd. in Eastleigh in the 1901 census. I need to find Harriett's maiden name (possibly Elliott, Peirce, or Lane). In 1901, her age is 51 and shows her birthplace as Berks Thatcham. It is believed that they owned/operated a pub and I would love to know the name of it. A niece of one of them lived with them when she had her first child September 12, 1905. The niece and her husband were Mary Ann and Harry Elliott. On their marriage certificate, the address for both of them is 8 Blenheim Rd., Eastleigh. Any help would certainly be appreciated and if I can look up something for someone in the US, I'd be happy to. Thanks, Nancy ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 31/03/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 31/03/2004

I am trying to find information on a Charles Nichols, married to a Harriett ?? who lived at 8 Blenheim Rd. in Eastleigh in the 1901 census. I need to find Harriett's maiden name (possibly Elliott, Peirce, or Lane). In 1901, her age is 51 and shows her birthplace as Berks Thatcham. It is believed that they owned/operated a pub and I would love to know the name of it. A niece of one of them lived with them when she had her first child September 12, 1905. The niece and her husband were Mary Ann and Harry Elliott. On their marriage certificate, the address for both of them is 8 Blenheim Rd., Eastleigh. Any help would certainly be appreciated and if I can look up something for someone in the US, I'd be happy to. Thanks, Nancy

The only K.Blatchford in the Phone Directory for Southampton lives at 19 Hawfinch Close and their phone number is 023 80736661 > ______________________________ > Please if you have a Phonr Directory for Southampton could you look this > up. > K Blatchford. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

I will no longer search for Lucy Warren Blatchford or her last child Harold Warren Blatchford WHY.? I will need to purchase the death record for Harold Warren Blatchford Dec qtr 1895 vol2cpage 28. His mother Lucy nee Warren Blatchford disappeared between 1895 and the 1901 census.The family lived on Queens rd.off Winchester off Winton Rd.in Southampton. at this time.according to the 1891 and 1901 census.On the 1901 census Lucy is missing. Lucy gave conflicting birth places.now I understand why.Registration was done in Falmouth Cornwall instead on Flushing[Mylor Parish] Cornwall at the time which is 1855. I have been unable to find records of her birth,death,marriage.nothing but what is on the census returns.which can be erroranous. Thank you all who have helped. keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger

In the 1851 Melksham, Wilts census, my 2xgreatfather, George WAIGHT, is listed as born in Southhampton with an age that would make him born about 1802. Aside from the fact that his residence is listed as Tavistock, Devon, in his marriage record to Elizabeth SIDNELL in Melksham on 28 July 1828 and the fact that their first child, Eliza Jane, was christened at Southhampton All Saints Church on 08 Nov 1829, I have no information on his earlier years. With no more tnan this to go on, how can I proceed to locate George's parents and siblings? Any help greatly appreciated. Bill NYC

David and I have talked about this before. Recent communication with a living relative.devulged. When I last visited with family 1962.It was in Stanmore.Aunti "Phil."as mother called her. They had two Children a little younger than me. a boy and a girl.Aunti "phil's" husband was a Royal Mail Employee.He became an Inspector and retired and soon passed away about 1985.I don't know much about these people.They sent us Plum Pudding and knitted scarfs and glove sets every xmas for years.I must admit I liked the Puddng in the tin can. Ken and I think Doreen are there names. I am not sure of there surnames.could be Blatchford,Broomfield,Head ,Aunti "phil" could have been my mom's maid of Honor at her wedding in 1944.and not Family. keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger

Please if you have a Phonr Directory for Southampton could you look this up. K Blatchford. keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger

Sorry to disillusion you Robert Prail is an anagram of April and Island on a map is abbreviated to Is, So if you looked carefully it was April 1s, this was an APRIL FOOL joke!! But quite a few of you sussed it out!! Chris and Caroline -----Original Message----- From: zgordo@webtv.net [mailto:zgordo@webtv.net] Sent: 31 March 2004 23:37 To: Chris & Caroline Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Prail Island Was this Island also used for America Prisoners of War. keep on-keeping on-never quit. Roger --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004

I sent this to David off-list, meaning to publish it on the list: The National Roll of the Great War, Section IV (Southampton) is an extremely useful book (I have two copies of it!). Both my grandfathers and a number of great uncles appear in it. The entries were by subscription and I think 16 volumes were produced after WW1, however the project ran out of money before it was completed. It is extremely useful in that it includes a "potted" history of anyone who was engaged on "war-work" and not just a record of those who perished. However, I have found that it does have a number of errors in the potted histories. For example, both my grandfathers were stated as "volunteering in 1914", when in fact both of them had already been in the Royal Navy for a number of years. The entry for one grandfather, Leonard Charles Mabey, is: He volunteered in August 1914 and served on board HMS Vindictive on the high seas. He cruised to South America, Russia and France, engaged on important duties and later was transferred to "P16" on which vessel he served until his demobiliosation in February 1919. He holds the 1914-1915 Star and the General Service and Victory Medals. Living at 42 Malmesbury Rd, Shirley Southampton. I dont mind doing the odd look-up for people, but please dont ask for blanket seraches - I dont have a lot of spare time. Regards Sandra

I didn't really think anything of it. you see, April Fool's Day jokes don't work on March 31st. Being six hours behind the UK right now, I received it on Wednesday. Good one though! :) Judy Mills Toronto > > >From: Dave Jacobs <Dave@Jacobs.net> > >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Prail Island > >Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:10:13 +0100 > > > >Prail I. = April I > > > >Good Joke! Who made this up then? > > > >Cheers Dave J > >============ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.645 / Virus Database: 413 - Release Date: 3/28/2004