Hi Sue In the 1914-15 Kellys for Southampton 236 Southampton Road Eastleigh was occupied by Edward HARRIS "Roydon" is a house name and I am sure I have seen that somewhere but without a street name there is nothing anyone can do to give you more information. The list has been quiet for a while, this is probably down to the bank holidays we have just had and the fine weather that WAS here and caused everybody to emigrate to the beach!! We find the same on our own list Hampshire Life especially this time of year as people start going away for their holidays. Hampshire is another list that is strictly for genealogy only and the other list is ENG-HAMPSHIRE but I belive this one is also quiet. The ENG-SOUTHAMPTON list is solely for people researching in the city and its suburbs. Chris and Car oline -----Original Message----- From: David Sharman [mailto:dsharman@xtra.co.nz] Sent: 10 May 2004 05:00 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SOU] Re Directories & Electoral Rolls Dear Listers I have been on the Southampton list for a couple of weeks now and have received very few list e-mails. Am I not receiving them for some reason or is this just a very quiet list? Is anyone able to tell me of a more active list for Hampshire where I might be able to get some help with directories or electoral rolls for the Southampton area. I would very much like some help with who was living at 236 Southampton Rd, Eastleigh c1904 and "Roydon" Southampton on the c1914. I imagine that Roydon is the name of a house or is it perhaps an area of Southampton? Regards Sue Sharman New Plymouth, NZ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.663 / Virus Database: 426 - Release Date: 20-Apr-04 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 09/05/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 09/05/2004

The following updates and new additions have now been added to our website the SOUTHERN LINE(UK) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages UPDATE/ADDITION: HAMPSHIRE Eling church - photographs added along with various other facts and figures that include: Murder in Eling and Totton, 1553 Inventory of the church, The Reformation, All our yesterdays, The Story of Eling's Saxon Stones, The Story of the Totton men who died in the Titanic Distaster, Extracts from the Churchwardens accounts for St Mary's These can be viewed at http://tinyurl.com/229gg The subjects above are linked at the bottom of the page We are constantly looking out for photographs (new and old) and articles to add to the villages. Especially to those villages we have not added photographs to. If you have any old or new photographs you would like to share with others please email us BEFORE sending them for security reasons. A credit will be placed with the article/photo acknowledging the sender or photographer. Visit our website to see where your forefathers lived Over 1700 villages shown with thousands of photos of Berkshire, Dorset,Hampshire, Isle of Wight, Surry, West Sussex and Wiltshire/ SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 08/01/2004

Looking for descendants of Andrew R JAMESON, born 1856 Yell, SHI, SCT. Andrew's parents moved to Sunderland, ENG about 1860-1862. Andrew's next younger brother, Thomas, was my husband's grandfather. Thomas, one of his younger brothers, James, and their mother came to the USA between 1881 and about 1886. Their father had died in the 1870s. As far as I know the rest of the family remained in England or Scotland. They were sister Mary, and brothers Andrew, Charles and William. Andrew worked as an Iron ship plater in 1901. His son, George looks to have been an iron ship riveter and son James was an apprentice plater. Andrew worked in a ship yard in Sunderland,as had his father. The family lived at 1 Alma Road in 1901. The "family story" is that Andrew had 22 children and that this family was in touch with the JAMESONs in the US until about 1930 or later. Andrew (real name Robert Andrew, but he called himself Andrew R) married a woman from Woolston named Fannie C (last name unknown) about 1880. They had at least ten children by the time of the 1901 census. They were: Andrew, George, Amelia, James, Alfred, Charles, Fanny, Hilda, Lillian and Ernest. Mother Fanny was 39 at that time, so she could have had several more children, but I don't see how she could have been the mother of 22 by the time she finished having children. Andrew must have married twice. The eldest child, Andrew hasn't been found in the 1901 census yet, but Amelia was "in training" in a facility in Winchester, St John during this census. We do hope it wasn't a Magdalene Sisters facility, but would appreciate knowing if was. We really do need some new "Cuzzins" here. I will share all the information that I have about all the family on this side of the pond. There is lots ! Thanks. Barbara Jameson marksnana@juno.com in Colorado, USA

Dear Listers I have been on the Southampton list for a couple of weeks now and have received very few list e-mails. Am I not receiving them for some reason or is this just a very quiet list? Is anyone able to tell me of a more active list for Hampshire where I might be able to get some help with directories or electoral rolls for the Southampton area. I would very much like some help with who was living at 236 Southampton Rd, Eastleigh c1904 and "Roydon" Southampton on the c1914. I imagine that Roydon is the name of a house or is it perhaps an area of Southampton? Regards Sue Sharman New Plymouth, NZ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.663 / Virus Database: 426 - Release Date: 20-Apr-04

Dear Sue This is certainly a very quiet list. I have seen this request a number of times, and I think the problem is that Eastleigh is not, and has never been, part of Southampton, although it is near, like Eling (C & C!) This web site might possibly lead you to the help you need: http://www.hants.gov.uk/library/localstudies/eastleigh.html You might also try Southampton Local Studies, email local.studies@southampton.gov.uk for Directory info, and Southampton Archives, city.archives@southampton.gov.uk for Voters Lists before 1932 You could also ask the Hampshire Record Office sadeax@hants.gov.uk Good hunting, Dave Jacobs ==================== At 04:59 10/05/2004, you wrote: >Dear Listers > >I have been on the Southampton list for a couple of weeks now and have >received very few list e-mails. Am I not receiving them for some reason >or is this just a very quiet list? Is anyone able to tell me of a more >active list for Hampshire where I might be able to get some help with >directories or electoral rolls for the Southampton area. > >I would very much like some help with who was living at 236 Southampton >Rd, Eastleigh c1904 >and "Roydon" Southampton on the c1914. I imagine that Roydon is the name >of a house or is it perhaps an area of Southampton? > >Regards >Sue Sharman >New Plymouth, NZ > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.663 / Virus Database: 426 - Release Date: 20-Apr-04 > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Sue, This is a fairly quiet list compared to some others I subscribe to, but there are a lots of knowledgeable and helpful people here. Now that you have listed your request I am sure that someone will be able to help you. If not then Southampton Local Studies are also very helpful. best wishes, Jeanne > >I would very much like some help with who was living at 236 Southampton >Rd, Eastleigh c1904 >and "Roydon" Southampton on the c1914. I imagine that Roydon is the name >of a house or is it perhaps an area of Southampton? > >Regards >Sue Sharman >New Plymouth, NZ > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

The churchwardens of a parish had many responsibilities with the protection of their church and maintaining good order, they also made payments from church funds to deserving causes. Some of the Eling records are listed below. NOTE we have not altered the text or spelling in any way except for putting "pound" instead of the symbol which a lot of subscribers have not got on their computers Chris and Caroline 1667 (The Great Fire of London was in 1666) Gave two Londoners who came with a pass who lost in ye fire 2s. 6d To two mearchants who were Wracked and had a pss 0s. 6d Paid for 8 ffoxes heads 8s 0d To ye ringers on gunpowder reason day last past 6s 0d 1670 To the man that went with the collect money to ye briefe concerning ye slaves in Turkey for two daies 2s 6d 1672 Paid a horseshire to carry away a woman that was great with child into ye next parish 0s 6d Paid for watching a madman 1s 6d Paid to 2 families of Norfolk people being 16 of them who had sustained great loss to the value of 2000 pound by ye breach of waters on their land 2s 6d 1674 for paving belfrey with stone 1Pound 1678 To John Smith and other maimed soldiers 1s 4d Collecting a briefe for St Paul's Church London towards ye rebuilding it 1 pound 15s 0d Spent at T hackstones on ye ringers ye 6th of Ffeb being ye day that ye king came to his crown 15s 0d 1689 Paid to Mr George Strode for halfe a hund. of ffagots to make a bonfire when ye king and queen were proclaimed 2s 3d --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 09/05/2004

A handy little website for those with railway workers. Railway Ancestors Family History Society, www.railwayancestors.fsnet.co.uk THIS IS NOT A FREE SERVICE Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.670 / Virus Database: 432 - Release Date: 27/04/2004

Thought this might interest the listers as there are local places and a roll of honour. Was sent to us by one of our subscribers Chris and Caroline This is the RAF's Battle of Britain History Site giving a full history, list of those killed and maps and details of all the airfields involved; many of which were in Hampshire. http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/bobhome.html --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.670 / Virus Database: 432 - Release Date: 27/04/2004

Type John Barleycorn Pubs into Google and you get over 200 entries - there must be a lot of them around!! Martin

Surprising there aren't more actually, as (Sir) John Barleycorn is the traditional name for the personification of malt liquor! Cheers Dave Jacobs =============== At 22:21 27/04/2004, Chris & Caroline wrote: >Whoops! Never knew about that one Martin!! >Thought there was only one in the area and that is the one at Cadnam!! >Have appologised to Linda!! > >Chris > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: MartinGulliver@aol.com [mailto:MartinGulliver@aol.com] >Sent: 27 April 2004 09:05 >To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Barleycorn pub > > >Hello List, >The John Barleycorn Pub in Commercial Street was built around 1844 but >demolished in 1983. Linda - I'm happy to send you the photo I sent to >Jeanne if >you like >Martin >In a message dated 27/04/2004 07:37:38 GMT Standard Time, >jemmayer@hotmail.com writes: > > >>Hi list, > >I have recently come across an old photo of a pub with my >greatgrandfathers > >name above the door (Ernest Charles Marsh) and on the back of the >photo is > >written SIR JOHN BARLEYCORN, BITTERNE. There is no pub name on the >front of > >the > >building itself, so does anyone know if there was a pub of that name >in > >Bitterne > >and where abouts. The date could be anywhere between the 1920's and >the > >start > >of WW2. > >Thanks, > >linda > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > > >--- >All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl >updates >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Whoops! Never knew about that one Martin!! Thought there was only one in the area and that is the one at Cadnam!! Have appologised to Linda!! Chris -----Original Message----- From: MartinGulliver@aol.com [mailto:MartinGulliver@aol.com] Sent: 27 April 2004 09:05 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Barleycorn pub Hello List, The John Barleycorn Pub in Commercial Street was built around 1844 but demolished in 1983. Linda - I'm happy to send you the photo I sent to Jeanne if you like Martin In a message dated 27/04/2004 07:37:38 GMT Standard Time, jemmayer@hotmail.com writes: >>Hi list, >I have recently come across an old photo of a pub with my greatgrandfathers >name above the door (Ernest Charles Marsh) and on the back of the photo is >written SIR JOHN BARLEYCORN, BITTERNE. There is no pub name on the front of >the >building itself, so does anyone know if there was a pub of that name in >Bitterne >and where abouts. The date could be anywhere between the 1920's and the >start >of WW2. >Thanks, >linda ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004

Fellow genealogists, Have you ever used the Internet to learn about genealogy methods and resources? Taken a genealogy course online? Read some 'how to' articles? Then I would like to hear from you. I am an Australian Ph.D. student who is currently writing a book chapter for an academic Virtual Learning Environment publication - my chapter is about using the Internet for genealogical education. I would therefore love to hear from you, fellow genealogists, about any Internet-based content you've used for genealogy education. This includes online courses (free or fee), how-to's, articles/columns, newsgroups, BBS, chat, mailing lists, forums, or even personal web pages that publish learning material - anything online that helps you in learning the craft of genealogy. Your comments on the following is of utmost interest: What are your favourite learning outlets on the Internet? How often do you use them? Can or did you find what you needed online? What are your learning successes? What could be better? What do you look for in genealogical learning on the Internet? If you would like to participate, your comments are extremely welcome. Please send your comments to me directly at research@veale.com.au before Saturday 1st May 2004. I thank you in advance for your participation in this academic research. Kylie Veale P.S. Names and email addresses will be protected and are therefore not included in the publication. Copies of the paper will be made available to interested participants on request, after the book has been published. ----------------------------------------------- Kylie J. Veale | Brisbane, Australia GradDipInvEnv, MInetStds(Design) Provisional PhD candidate http://www.veale.com.au/kylie icq: 27938257 msn: kyliej@hotmail.com yahoo: kylie_veale

Dear Listers Is SKS able to help me with finding out who was living at 236 Southampton Rd, Eastleigh c1904. This is the address that was given on the death certificate of my great great grandmother, Elizabeth DRAKE, when she died there 10 May 1904. I can not think of a reason why she would be living in this area. Elizabeth was born at Weymouth, Dorset and lived there and then on Portland till at least 1895. Her husband died at Portland in 1886. The informant on Elizabeth's death certificate was her daughter who was present at the death and her address is given as Royal Albert Docks, London. On the 1901 census, Elizabeth aged 85 years is living with a son in London and 236 Southampton Rd, Eastleigh is shown as uninhabited. I also have a postcard that was written by a grandson of Elizabeth and this was sent from "Roydon" Southampton on the 13 Feb 1914. He was from New Zealand and on leave, during World War 1. He writes about going down to Weymouth and Portland but does not say who he is staying with at Southampton. It makes me think that there are relations still in this area and I can't work out who they could be. Are there any directories or electoral rolls for the period that would help me? Regards Sue Sharman New Plymouth, NZ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.663 / Virus Database: 426 - Release Date: 20-Apr-04

Hi Linda, My grandfather, Charles Wellman, was landlord of this pub for a brief time in the 1930's, until he died. It's strange because I had been intending to email you about that. Martin Gulliver sent me a photo of it taken just before it was pulled down, but I would love to see the one you have. Please could you send it to me on my pipex address. Many thanks. Jeanne. >>Hi list, >I have recently come across an old photo of a pub with my greatgrandfathers >name above the door (Ernest Charles Marsh) and on the back of the photo is >written SIR JOHN BARLEYCORN, BITTERNE. There is no pub name on the front of >the >building itself, so does anyone know if there was a pub of that name in >Bitterne >and where abouts. The date could be anywhere between the 1920's and the >start >of WW2. >Thanks, >linda > _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Thanks Chris and Caroline, It seems the wrong name was written on the photo. Shouldn't have had the 'Sir'. linda

Hello List, The John Barleycorn Pub in Commercial Street was built around 1844 but demolished in 1983. Linda - I'm happy to send you the photo I sent to Jeanne if you like Martin In a message dated 27/04/2004 07:37:38 GMT Standard Time, jemmayer@hotmail.com writes: >>Hi list, >I have recently come across an old photo of a pub with my greatgrandfathers >name above the door (Ernest Charles Marsh) and on the back of the photo is >written SIR JOHN BARLEYCORN, BITTERNE. There is no pub name on the front of >the >building itself, so does anyone know if there was a pub of that name in >Bitterne >and where abouts. The date could be anywhere between the 1920's and the >start >of WW2. >Thanks, >linda

The Sir John Barleycorn is at Cadnam in the New Forest Linda It is quite a famous pub for the tourists and is situated just off of the M27 where it turns into the A31 Ringwood Road. If you go to our Cadnam Nostalgia page at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages/cadnost.htm You will find some old photos which show the pub in its heyday. Chris and Caroline SOUTHERN LIFE(UK) The History of the villages of Hampshire and its surrounding counties http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~villages -----Original Message----- From: Rosserl106@aol.com [mailto:Rosserl106@aol.com] Sent: 26 April 2004 23:50 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SOU] Barleycorn pub Hi list, I have recently come across an old photo of a pub with my greatgrandfathers name above the door (Ernest Charles Marsh) and on the back of the photo is written SIR JOHN BARLEYCORN, BITTERNE. There is no pub name on the front of the building itself, so does anyone know if there was a pub of that name in Bitterne and where abouts. The date could be anywhere between the 1920's and the start of WW2. Thanks, linda ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004

Hi list, I have recently come across an old photo of a pub with my greatgrandfathers name above the door (Ernest Charles Marsh) and on the back of the photo is written SIR JOHN BARLEYCORN, BITTERNE. There is no pub name on the front of the building itself, so does anyone know if there was a pub of that name in Bitterne and where abouts. The date could be anywhere between the 1920's and the start of WW2. Thanks, linda

Dear Listers Is SKS able to help me with finding out who was living at 236 Southampton Rd, Eastleigh c1904. This is the address that was given on the death certificate of my great great grandmother, Elizabeth DRAKE, when she died there 10 May 1904. I can not think of a reason why she would be living in this area. Elizabeth was born at Weymouth, Dorset and lived there and then on Portland till at least 1895. Her husband died at Portland in 1886. The informant on Elizabeth's death certificate was her daughter who was present at the death and her address is given as Royal Albert Docks, London. On the 1901 census, Elizabeth aged 85 years is living with a son in London and 236 Southampton Rd, Eastleigh is shown as uninhabited. I also have a postcard that was written by a grandson of Elizabeth and this was sent from "Roydon" Southampton on the 13 Feb 1914. He was from New Zealand and on leave, during World War 1. He writes about going down to Weymouth and Portland but does not say who he is staying with at Southampton. It makes me think that there are relations still in this area and I can't work out who they could be. Are there any directories or electoral rolls for the period that would help me? Regards Sue Sharman New Plymouth, NZ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.663 / Virus Database: 426 - Release Date: 20-Apr-04