Hello List, Is there any kind lister that lives near South Stoneham Cemetery, and who would have the time to visit a grave site for me please? I have the details and plot number of where my Hosking family members are buried and would like to see if maybe there is a head stone or anything at the site. and get a picture of the grave. Also I have another Hosking member who was cremated at the Southampton crematorium. And I have the details stating where his ashes were placed. When someone is cremated, is there anything / a plaque etc to mark where his ashes are placed? Many thanks and best wishes Heather Brown (nee Hosking)

I had been thinking of visiting my family in Southampton in June and had hoped I might make a visit to the archives. When I visited the website this weekend I found out they will be closed from 1st June until about mid July. Just thought I would remind anyone who intends to visit from a distance to check the places they want to visit will be open beforehand particularly as many archives are in cramped conditions and closure may be needed to move to improved facilities. Hope this helps someone Hilary

Hello Everybody, As an added thought the deceased in question might have been cremated at Southampton Crematorium. Rod in Andover. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Jacobs <Dave@Jacobs.net> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-SOU] Cemeteries / Directories Help Please!

Hi Heather They would in all probability either be buried at Hollybrook Cemetery, or cremated at the Southampton Crematorium. It matters not really as the Southampton Bereavement Services Unit has details on computer of all burials and cremations in Southampton and can give you the date, cemetery, plot location, age at death, and address. Contact them by writing to Southampton Bereavement Services Unit 6 Bugle Street SOUTHAMPTON SO14 2LX Southampton Local Studies Library have Directories up to 1975, and I'm sure that if you ask them they'll look someone up for you. Likewise for Voters Lists. E mail them at local.studies@southampton.gov.uk Good hunting, Dave Jacobs ========= At 10:20 17/05/2004, Heather Brown wrote: >Hello List, > >Would anyone know of any cemeteries that would be used if someone was >living in : > >WELBECK Avenue, SHIRLEY in 1954. >EVELYN Crescent, SHIRLEY in 1977 > >Also would any kind lister have access to any Street or Trade directories >for 1940 to 1970? > >Any help would be truly appreciated, no matter how small. > >Many thanks and best wishes >Heather > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello List, Would anyone know of any cemeteries that would be used if someone was living in : WELBECK Avenue, SHIRLEY in 1954. EVELYN Crescent, SHIRLEY in 1977 Also would any kind lister have access to any Street or Trade directories for 1940 to 1970? Any help would be truly appreciated, no matter how small. Many thanks and best wishes Heather

This might help a few people http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/contents.html Showing Law and Court letters that were used at the time and much more Archive CD Books puts out a fairly inexpensive CD called "Court Hand Restored - The Student's Assistant in Reading Old English". It is a fantastic resource and puts the images of the various different types right there on your computer screen. Chris and Caroline

Hi Jo I moved from York to Washington New Town, with my husband, in 1960, and started work in 1963. There used be many Working Men's Clubs in the area, I worked for Fair World Theatrical Agency. Part of my job was to invoice for Acts, eg, singers, dancers comedians etc., which we booked to do turns in the different Clubs, one of which was, 'Sunderland Boilermakers Club'. I remember, 'Wallsend Labour Club' , 'Birtley Rex' and 'The Sands Club', Whitley Bay (a night club) we booked Acts into night clubs too. 'Little and Large' were one of the Acts just starting out then. Noreen York UK Many thanks for the info.I too had boilermaker ancestors, originally from Dagenham, Essex, with 2 children born in Sunderland, then the rest born in Woolston. So now I know who he probably worked for. cheers Jo Martin ______________________________

Hello list, I am hoping someone can make a connection with these names. I have found out by tracing some death entries from the BMD indexes that my HOSKING family moved to Southampton some time after 1938. Archimedes J W Hosking - died in 1954 - Southampton (awaiting certificate) Kenneth William John Hosking died 1977 - Southampton (awaiting certificate) I have also just found a marriage entry that looks interesting, even though I know that Kenneth did marry in 1938 in London. (but I have never been able to find any children for him, I am now wondering if his wife died early or divorced) Kenneth William John Hosking - Lillian M VINEY - Southampton Jan / March 1956. If anyone can make a connection or help in my search then it would be truly appreciated, no matter how small. Many thanks and best wishes Heather Brown (nee Hosking)

Thought this might interest some of you, mainly traffic related but there are some views of local spots in the city and surrounding areas, Shirley, Millbrook, Bevois Valley etc. http://romanse.org.uk/dir_cctv/page_cctv_southampton.asp Click on the camera image for the area you want If the above link breaks through email then use TinyURL http://tinyurl.com/3hbs2 Chris and Caroline --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 09/05/2004

Dear Kathryn, I think you'll find that Alma Road ran between Florence Road and Johns Road at least until about 1915. Best wishes, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Smith" <alison@oasts.screaming.net> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: [ENG-SOU] Jameson > > Dear Brian, Barbara and listers, > It looks as if Barbara's Jamesons ancestors were also living in Woodley > Road, Woolston in the 1881 census. > I've a feeling Alma Road became Florence Road when Woolston became part > of Southampton (might be wrong though). > besy wishes > Kathryn > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Jeanne wrote, "There is a list of road name changes and Alma Road,Woolston was changed to Florence Road in 1924." And it's right where I predicted it would be too - running parallel to Inkerman Road and joining Johns Road. Nice to know that Barbara's Jamesons were neighbours of my great grandparents, and that another lister has ancestors from Essex who probably worked alongside them too. Who said it was a small world? Now for the lottery numbers, while I'm on a roll <grin> Regards Brian Sunny Eastbourne UK Incoming mail is certified Virus Free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version 6.0.659 Virus Database 442 - Release Date: 09/05/2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Mayer" <jemmayer@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [ENG-SOU] Jameson > > Kathryn, > You are right on the name change. > I have just looked at Bitterne Local History Society's pages. > There is a list of road name changes and Alma Road,Woolston was changed to > Florence Road in 1924. There were Alma Roads in Bitterne, Shirley & Bassett > which were also changed. > Jeanne > > . > > I've a feeling Alma Road became Florence Road when Woolston became > >part > >of Southampton (might be wrong though). > > besy wishes > > Kathryn > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Kathryn, You are right on the name change. I have just looked at Bitterne Local History Society's pages. There is a list of road name changes and Alma Road,Woolston was changed to Florence Road in 1924. There were Alma Roads in Bitterne, Shirley & Bassett which were also changed. Jeanne . > I've a feeling Alma Road became Florence Road when Woolston became >part >of Southampton (might be wrong though). > besy wishes > Kathryn > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Dear Brian, Barbara and listers, It looks as if Barbara's Jamesons ancestors were also living in Woodley Road, Woolston in the 1881 census. I've a feeling Alma Road became Florence Road when Woolston became part of Southampton (might be wrong though). besy wishes Kathryn

Many thanks for the info.I too had boilermaker ancestors, originally from Dagenham, Essex, with 2 children born in Sunderland, then the rest born in Woolston. So now I know who he probably worked for. cheers Jo Martin

The Register Office is in Bugle Street Heather The Register Office 6a Bugle Street Southampton SO14 2LX Email: registrars@southampton.gov.uk Telephone: 023 8091 5327 Fax: 023 8063 3431 Chris and Carooline -----Original Message----- From: Heather Brown [mailto:heatherhosking@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 13 May 2004 12:54 To: ENG-SOUTHAMPTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-SOU] Registrar Office - Help Please Hello List, Can someone please advise me as to where I should apply for a death certificate for a death that took place in Southampton in 1954. I have no idea as to which area in Southampton that the event took place. Many Thanks and best wishes Heather ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 09/05/2004 --- All of our outgoing mail is checked and certified Virus Free by regularl updates Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 09/05/2004

Hi Barbara, I just had a look on Ancestry. In 1891 when the family were living in St. John, Middlesborough, Yorkshire. Fanny C's place of birth was given as Woolston but on the 1901 census when they were living at 1, Alma road, St. Mary Extra, it was given as Bambrey, Warwickshire. There was also a marriage of an Andrew Robert Jameson at Portsmouth. Dec. qtr. 1903 and a birth, same name, at South Stoneham,June qtr. 1906 Hope this helps. Jeanne _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

In reply to Barbara Jameson, Dave Jacobs wrote, "On the other hand, I know that there was a flow of shipbuilding workers from Sunderland to Woolston in the late 1800s, to work at the Thorneycroft works here. ... There is no Alma Road in Woolston today." I can add some general background to the above, in that it was Thomas Ridley Oswald a shipbuilder from Sunderland who was the person who built the first major development on the Woolston Shore in 1876; and I believe he brought quite a few workers south with him. My great-grandfather John Houston, a boilermaker, being one of them. I don't know if John was typical of shipbuilding workers, but over a period of years he travelled from Greenock on the Clyde, via Gateshead on the Tyne, thence to Sunderland, and finally to Woolston to earn his living - his wife bearing him a child or two at each place! Their sixth child, Mary Houston, was born at Woodley Road, Woolston in 1881, just a few yards from Oswald's yard. A blacksmith born in Sunderland was lodging with the Houston's at the time, and the census reveals many artisans living in that vicinity. The Houstons later moved to Johns Road, an area full of boilermakers. The firm became Oswald, Mordaunt and Co. in 1878 and built 104 ships before it closed in 1889. The firm had a reputation for having many accidents, hardly a week went by without a serious injury or fatality, and the yard became known as the "slaughterhouse". In the 1880s the firm ran into financial difficulties and the official Receiver was appointed to oversee their affairs, but in April 1889 the employees received their notices to quit. This produced a serious unemployment problem in Woolston, and efforts were made to establish a consortium to carry on shipbuilding work there. The Receiver finally organised for work to re-commence in February 1890, under the title of the Southampton Naval Iron Works - 18 ships were built before it too went into liquidation, and the yard into the hands of the Receiver in 1893. Woolston Yard remained idle for over three years, until 1897 when it was purchased by Thornycroft's, who built a "Tribal" class destroyer there in 1907 - HMS Tarter - which established a tradition of warship building at Woolston yard which has lasted until the present day. As Dave correctly wrote, there isn't an Alma Road in Woolston today; but there is an Inkerman Road which joins Johns Road (mentioned above), and I wonder whether there might not have been other roads named after Crimea actions in the vicinity. It would seem quite likely, and Alma Road might have been one of them. What a pity Alan Godfrey hasn't yet turned his attention to Southampton and produced a series of historical maps of the area, as he has of many other large cities. Hope this adds something to Barbara's family history, and anyone else whose ancestors worked in the area. Regards Brian Sunny Eastbourne, UK Incoming mail is certified Virus Free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version 6.0.659 Virus Database 442 - Release Date: 09/05/2004

Hello List, Can someone please advise me as to where I should apply for a death certificate for a death that took place in Southampton in 1954. I have no idea as to which area in Southampton that the event took place. Many Thanks and best wishes Heather

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Hi Barbara I'm sure there are people here who could help you, but speaking for myself I'm just a little confused as to the connection with Southampton. It may be that I'm not reading your note right, but the only connection I can see that you mention is that Andrew Jameson married a woman from Woolston, which was almost a suburb of Southampton around 1880. But all the rest seems to indicate that they lived and worked in Sunderland, which is almost as far from Southampton you can get and still be in England! On the other hand, I know that there was a flow of shipbuilding workers from Sunderland to Woolston in the late 1800s, to work at the Thorneycroft works here. Were they actually in Woolston for the 1881 and/or 1901 censuses? There is no Alma Road in Woolston today. If they had children in the Southampton area it should be easy to discover something about them. Cheers, Dave Jacobs =============== At 01:36 11/05/2004, you wrote: >Looking for descendants of Andrew R JAMESON, born 1856 Yell, SHI, SCT. >Andrew's parents moved to Sunderland, ENG about 1860-1862. Andrew's next >younger brother, Thomas, was my husband's grandfather. Thomas, one of >his younger brothers, James, and their mother came to the USA between >1881 and about 1886. Their father had died in the 1870s. As far as I >know the rest of the family remained in England or Scotland. They were >sister Mary, and brothers Andrew, Charles and William. > >Andrew worked as an Iron ship plater in 1901. His son, George looks to >have been an iron ship riveter and son James was an apprentice plater. >Andrew worked in a ship yard in Sunderland,as had his father. The family >lived at 1 Alma Road in 1901. > >The "family story" is that Andrew had 22 children and that this family >was in touch with the JAMESONs in the US until about 1930 or later. >Andrew (real name Robert Andrew, but he called himself Andrew R) married >a woman from Woolston named Fannie C (last name unknown) about 1880. >They had at least ten children by the time of the 1901 census. They >were: Andrew, George, Amelia, James, Alfred, Charles, Fanny, Hilda, >Lillian and Ernest. Mother Fanny was 39 at that time, so she could have >had several more children, but I don't see how she could have been the >mother of 22 by the time she finished having children. Andrew must have >married twice. > >The eldest child, Andrew hasn't been found in the 1901 census yet, but >Amelia was "in training" in a facility in Winchester, St John during >this census. We do hope it wasn't a Magdalene Sisters facility, but >would appreciate knowing if was. > >We really do need some new "Cuzzins" here. I will share all the >information that I have about all the family on this side of the pond. >There is lots ! > >Thanks. > >Barbara Jameson >marksnana@juno.com >in Colorado, USA > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237